LARG - LA Rich Game (Started)

[Sir_Dr_D]

I would like to get started a late age rich game.

Settings

Gold: 250%
Resources: 250%
Supplies: 100%
Magic Sites: 55% (less then the other rich games, since it is LA)
Independents: 8
Mods: CBM1.6
Map: Open to suggestions
Research: Difficult
Victory Conditions: It will be based on capitals , and will be set to about 45% of the people in the game.
Diplomacy: Anything goes, though I personally recommend keeping agreements.


I will play as Utgard, which I chose because it popped up when I made random nation selection.

Players
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Sir_Dr_D - Utgard
Militarist - Tien-Chi
Torin - Mictlan
13lackGu4rd - Midgard
DonPablo - Bogarus
Veto - Ermor
Ignikharion - Pangaea
FungalReason - Atlantis
Graeme Dice - Agartha
Cicero - LA Patala
Grijalva - Caelum
Balaskar - Gath
Viden - Marignon
Anonymity - Jomon
Big Daddy - Abysia
LDiCesare - Pythium

[militarist]

I'd play Ermor if not prohibited.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Picking ermor, or R'lyey is fine. I want to see if being a rich game helps balance things against these nations.

[militarist]

Then I'll better take R'leh.

[Torin]

LA Mictlan please

[militarist]

No, change me to ULM, not R'leh:)

[militarist]

No. Tien Chi. Is the final. ChoiCe :)

[13lackGu4rd]

I'll give LA Ulm a shot. not expecting to live too long but meh, if I do maybe I'll become a power to be reckoned with ;)

[Squirrelloid]

Comment: Rlyeh is if anything a little weak in default settings. It would be actually punitive to play them under these settings. Perceptions that LA R is broken are at least 3 patches old (i don't know which patch tweaked their dominion effects). At least LA E is (1)overpowered normally and (2) gets more death gems from its national site with a higher gold %.

Hmm.. can't really squeeze another game in right now, sadly. I think I'll wait till Utopia 2 for a rich LA game.

[Torin]

You actually fought against Rlieh?
Its rather tiresome and rewardless. Astral mages. Endless chaff. Water dwelling. They can raid your lands. But it gets hard to progress underwater.

[veto]

May we join?
DonPablo as Bogarus
And me with Ermor

[Squirrelloid]

You actually fought against Rlieh?
Its rather tiresome and rewardless. Astral mages. Endless chaff. Water dwelling. They can raid your lands. But it gets hard to progress underwater.

Endless chaffe, but not endless mages, since their cash is so constrained. And they have a really hard time expanding. Oh yeah, and you have to pay upkeep on all that chaffe too, much of which is totally useless. So not only does their income keep shrinking because of their dominion, the growing chaffe armies keep eating more and more of what cash you do get. By year 3 you'll find it hard to have any cash free to actually buy anything.

They may be slightly annoying to kill, but they have little good offense. MA Rlyeh >> LA Rlyeh.

Basically, you may have fought against them, but it doesn't sound like you've actually tried to play them.

[13lackGu4rd]

I thought that free spawns act in the same way as summoned troops, as in no gold cost no upkeep. but even if you do have upkeep on all that free chaff, it just requires a terrible amount of micromanagement to keep moving it to the front lines and letting it do its job(die protecting the mind blasters). if you have early access to land(some nice indy province near you perhaps) than you might as well try to get onto land quickly and build a fort in there ASAP. in the water you have a chance to find kelp fortresses if you just search with a N1 Mage(such as a Slave Mage with random N) so you might as well build your first province on land instead of water, if you have nice access to land that is.

[Ignikharion]

If you let a noob MP in (I`ve played quite a lot in SP though) i would like to take LA Pangaea :)

[Squirrelloid]

I thought that free spawns act in the same way as summoned troops, as in no gold cost no upkeep. but even if you do have upkeep on all that free chaff, it just requires a terrible amount of micromanagement to keep moving it to the front lines and letting it do its job(die protecting the mind blasters).

Some summons do have upkeep (ie, trolls). The determiner is whether the unit has a listed gold cost greater than zero or not. Units with a 0 gold cost have no upkeep, which describes most summons.

Rlyeh freespawn most definitely costs upkeep, though.


if you have early access to land(some nice indy province near you perhaps) than you might as well try to get onto land quickly and build a fort in there ASAP. in the water you have a chance to find kelp fortresses if you just search with a N1 Mage(such as a Slave Mage with random N) so you might as well build your first province on land instead of water, if you have nice access to land that is.

You'd have to make a point of taking an SC pretender capable of doing so to expand onto land early, because LA R expansion just sucks. And then you have to hope whatever land neighbors you pick up don't just decide to push you back into the sea.

Of course, those slave mages go insane from your dominion, and they're gold spent and upkeep payed on mages who aren't starspawn. So while they can potentially net you a free fortress with a 1/4 N pick, they aren't worth spending the money on. If it was a guaranteed N1 it'd be a different story, but 25% chance at a mildly useful mage, with the other 75% being almost totally useless since your starspawns are much better (and immune to insanity from your dominion).

[Zeldor]

Starspawns are not immune to insanity.

[fungalreason]

I'd like to give LA Atlantis a try.

[13lackGu4rd]

Starspawns are also a lot more expensive, and in the early game R'lyeh needs all the gold it can get its hands on to bump up their expansion army, cause as you said, their expansion capabilities aren't that great without enough Mind Blasters and chaff. as for your SC pretender, the Wyrm is cheap enough and amphibious... dom9/10 even with no magic at all, gives you plenty of expansion power for both land and sea. and R'lyeh doesn't really need a pretender to fill in some gaps, as the Starspawns are versatile enough and with plenty of the almighty Astral magic.

[Sir_Dr_D]

If you let a noob MP in (I`ve played quite a lot in SP though) i would like to take LA Pangaea :)

Newbies are welcome. Just remember the following:
- Make sure you are committed to the game. Check out Baalz's good player pledge.
- To be competive it is important to make sure that you have a strong expansion strategy. This takes some practice.
- Diplomancy is important and people do use this forum to send messages. So make sure yor check your private messages, and this thread, regularily.

[Graeme Dice]

I think I have time to start up a new game. How about I join as Agartha.

[don_Pablo]

What about using AsiaTwist map?

[Cicero]

I'm in with LA Patala

[Grijalva]

Jomon Please

[13lackGu4rd]

change me to Midgard please ;)

[Balaskar]

I would like to play Gath if you don't mind another noob mp joining. I have played a lot of sp just usually ea or ma.

[Grijalva]

actually, switch me to man please

[Viden]

Can another noob join? If yes, I would be Marignon.

[anonymity]

Still room? I'd like to take Jomon.

[BigDaddy]

I'll play Abysia.

[LDiCesare]

Interested in Pythium.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Sign up will be closed at the end of Sunday. On Monday , I will set up the server. I will pick a map tomorrow.

[Grijalva]

Hey, sorry to change again, but playing Man with these settings seems a little boring IMO, I'd like to change to Caelum if its not too late.

thanks,

[Sir_Dr_D]

I would like to go with the Cradle map, unless someone else has a counter sugestion. It has about the number of provinces that I want (15 per player), and I actually haven't played on that one in while.

Asia Twist was suggested as a map, and I like that one, but I beleive we would need another water nation to use that map.

[Torin]

cradle is ok for me

[anonymity]

I have no objections to cradle, or any map with about that province count.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I have created the game on the Llamaserver. It is called Larg1. The game will begin once everyone has uploaded their pretenders.

[anonymity]

This is going to be micro hell and I am going to love every minute of it. Uploaded.

[Viden]

Which version of the Cradle map?

[Ignikharion]

Pretender sent.

All hail the mighty Ternasco :happy:

Eventually, if he fails the race to deity we will enjoy a good meal :D

http://blogg.visir.is/tatu/files/2009/08/ternasco-aragon1.jpg

[Sir_Dr_D]

Which version of the Cradle map?


I used the default map. The other two listed on the llamaserver seemed to have set positions.

[Viden]

I can't find the download link of Cradle. Help please!

[anonymity]

I can't find the download link of Cradle. Help please!

It comes with the game. You should already have it.

[Viden]

I can't find the download link of Cradle. Help please!

It comes with the game. You should already have it.

:doh: :o

I didn't see it...

[Viden]

Perhaps I missed it, but, what is the name of the game? LARG - LA Rich Game?

[fungalreason]

It's LARG1 on llamaserver

[BigDaddy]

We just have a couple more people:
Bogarus-DonPablo
Ermor-Veto

[militarist]

Both of them last time were logged on 02-16-10, 05:03 PM, its's 10 days ago, and they are together - Veto registered both of them. Both has zero statistics, so....

[BigDaddy]

Don_Pablo appears to have played in another game until turn 54 and went AI. Thunderdome as Caelum.

[militarist]

Don_Pablo:

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

[13lackGu4rd]

it's been a while now that we're waiting on these 2. I think that we should just start with what we have now, as these 2 don't seem to be that active according to you folks...

[militarist]

gamehost should decide, but, I would restart without them. If we were waiting for one, who knows, anything happens to slow down the player...but 2 friends who don't log in for 10 days and were registsred on the forum on the same month as sign up.. that sounds risky.
Or change status to recruiting to replace them maybe.What if we were ready 10 days ago to start? we would wait 10 days? it's 10 turns. or 10 stalled turns by them? The game would be just ruined.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I agree. I will start up the game soon.

[don_Pablo]

Sorry for having kept you waiting.
There was a delay because of my wedding.
I've just sent my pretender as Veto will do soon.

[BigDaddy]

congrats.

[BigDaddy]

I might not be able to take a turn this weekend. I will do my best, but cannot ensure that I'll be available in any 24hr period, or even necessarily have time and access to a computer. By all means, start the game, and I'll try to turn turns in as usual, but please don't skip me if I'm late!

[13lackGu4rd]

first page, hopefully it will start to get interesting really soon ;)

[Sir_Dr_D]

I have postponed hosting for the next turn for an extra 12 hours. This is because I am moving this weekend, and do not know when my computer will be reset up. I will still do the turn as early as possible.

[LDiCesare]

Would it be possible to delay next hosting by 24h? I only saw the turn now and won't be able to play the turn within the delay.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Sure I will delay the turn.

[LDiCesare]

Thanks.

[13lackGu4rd]

I know it's a bit late but I'll need a few hours of extension to send in my turn. on my lab top now and I have a problem patching it with the new patch. probably won't be home in time to send it in properly, so I could use a couple of hours extra.

[13lackGu4rd]

nevermind that, was just a corrupt download for some reason... got it working and sent in my turn.

[Grijalva]

veto, can you please finish your game in onefort instead of letting it stale away?

[BigDaddy]

With the architecture of the internet, it's really surprising that we don't get many more corrupt downloads. I watch some report about black holes in the internet (were info just gets lost). Anyway, while computers are very mechanical, the internet's weblikeness makes it require redundancy and checks and stuff and still stuff gets lost. I assume they're still trying to understand the mechanics of it themselves. Actualy lost bits (where, say, an extraterrestial neutron bounce an electron out of place) are actually rare but their incidence is predictable, and some programs can fix the errors.

[don_Pablo]

Damn!
Llamaserver seems to show wrong time. And I was late for a couple of minutes. :(

[anonymity]

I think I'm done, too many vultures swooped in after the early (but sucessful) war with Utgard.

[13lackGu4rd]

going out of town until thursday, my current turn is in but I won't be able to play the next turn until I get back, so I'll need an extension...

[Sir_Dr_D]

I will extend the turn.

But since I very embarassingly got knocked out of the game early, I will need someone else to take over as admin. Any volunteers?

[Sir_Dr_D]

I changed the hosting interval to 48 hours. it is about time for that anyway.

[militarist]

Ignikharion, open possibility to PM you in private messages. If you are interested in dimoplacy.

[militarist]

Viden has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Viden, could you switch on privat messages? Or you switched it of with some reason?

[Viden]

Viden has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Viden, could you switch on privat messages? Or you switched it of with some reason?

Done. I didn't knew that the messages were disabled by default. :o

[13lackGu4rd]

I will extend the turn.

jee, thanks, "I will" either became "I didn't" or "I didn't understand what until thursday meant" because I had a stale turn... the fact that I got back a night earlier and still got a stale turn makes it even worst :doh:

but oh well, I'm gonna die soon anyway so I don't really care...

[Sir_Dr_D]

Sorry, my fault. You said you already had your turn in, so I thought if I extended the timer to 48 intervals it would give you the extra time you needed. I didn't pay enough attention to the Thursday.

It would help if someone still in the game takes over as admin. I no longer know when the turns are being processed. Can someone please volunteer to take over as admin. I will then send you the admin password.

[Ignikharion]

Done. I didn't knew that the messages were disabled by default. :o

Wops, same here.

[militarist]

:) I thought ignoring diplomacy is a new trend :)

[Torin]

I will need a brake after this turn until monday as i am going out of town

[Graeme Dice]

Well played Mictlan. I underestimated how many troops I'd need to expand, and thereby slowed my expansion down to the point that I had no real chance of catching up.

[Torin]

Yes, probably agartha is too resource intensive. In a Large game might be hindered

[Sir_Dr_D]

I have updated the hosting schedule this weekend as a few people will be away. I accidently upped it too far, to next Thursday, instead of Monday, but oh well. Try to still submit all your turns by Monday, then things will return back to normal.

[militarist]

Veto, do you read private messages at all? Or I'm the only one ignored?

[Grijalva]

Patala (Cicero) is staling out, please set him to AI.

thanks

[13lackGu4rd]

grats TC for taking most of my lands, and sieging my last fort. you already have my capital and almost everything else, so I've just set myself to AI. nothing else I can do to fight you off and I can't even see any more interesting battles between you and Ermor... :S

good game y'all, cya around ;)

[militarist]

Greetings.
Frankly speaking I have no big interest to fight with AI and so many stallers. The game is almost dead, as for me and extremely imballanced because of that.

[Grijalva]

Well I've stalled several times by accident, but I am surprised that Patala and Gath have not been set to AI...

[militarist]

game hosting player's nation is dead so he doesn't pay attention to the game.

[BigDaddy]

I'm not going to win, I didn't find enough gems, but I'm not going to lose... well, I could, but that's kind of far fetched considering...

Anyway, what is to be done? Is this game dead?

[Grijalva]

to be honest, I find this kind of game to be a pain to micromanage (never tried a "rich" game before) so my vote is to end it. But if other people want to continue then I will of course still put up a spirited fight on my side.

[fungalreason]

I'm fine either way. But it seems that there's enough disinterest in continuing this game that it's better off calling it.

[Torin]

Im ok to continue but its ok to end it too

[Sir_Dr_D]

It sounds like most people want the game ended, and no one has given a strong opinion on wanting the game to continue. So I will end the game later today.

[BigDaddy]

OK, who thinks they are still in a winning position?

[Torin]

I think atlantis is the most powerful nation

[fungalreason]

To be honest, it ended too early to tell. I was probably in the lead when it ended, but I can easily see Caelum, Mictlan, and possibly Abysia teaming up to take me down. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable claiming a win.