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Hadrian_II
February 22nd, 2010, 09:11 AM
Hi Everyone, i am trying to get a new MA Game Started
It would be hosted on llamaserver (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Greenstone)
Age: Middle Age
Game Settings: Everything standard, except HoF 15 and renaming on
Map: Orania
Mods: CBM 1.6 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43949)
Players: as much as possible
Pace: first ~24 turns on 24h quickhost, then 48h quickhost until at least turn 50, after that extension to 72h by majority vote.
If you join this game, it is expected that you play it to the end, or that you find a sub that takes over for you.
Also i wont allow a single water nation in the game, you can still join in but you only can play when another player also chooses a water nation.
Nations:
Abysia: welltimat
Agartha: Penguin Zero
Arcoscephale: Cicero
Ashdod: ghoul31
Bandar Log: Grijalva
Caelum: Digress
C'tis: Hadrian-II
Eriu: WaterHazard
Ermor: Graeme Dice
Jotunheim: danbo
Machaka: Jarkko
Marignon: Silence0
Mictlan: Hoplosternum
Pangaea: michai
Pythium: Strabo
R'lyeh: militarist
Shinuyama: Alpine Joe
T'ien Ch'i: seryozha
Vanheim: zegc-ben
Cicero
February 22nd, 2010, 09:16 AM
I'm in with MA Arcoscephale
ghoul31
February 22nd, 2010, 09:22 AM
Ashdod
michai
February 22nd, 2010, 10:26 AM
I would like to play Pangaea
Graeme Dice
February 22nd, 2010, 12:33 PM
Ermor here.
coobe
February 22nd, 2010, 01:04 PM
Ulm please and 1 vote for orania
Alpine Joe
February 22nd, 2010, 01:17 PM
I'll get in this as Shinuyama.
Jarkko
February 22nd, 2010, 01:27 PM
I'd like to try Machaka please.
As for map, I like all the three proposed, so I would like to abstain :)
militarist
February 22nd, 2010, 04:46 PM
Rleh
SplendidTuesday
February 22nd, 2010, 07:28 PM
I would like to play on Orania, myself playing as Man.
This will be my first MP game, and I've never used the Dominions style of playing by email, so please be gentle with my failings in this game.
How do I sign up to the server, anyway?
13lackGu4rd
February 22nd, 2010, 07:39 PM
basically the host of the game loads you up into Llamaserver(the server in which most MP games in Dominions are hosted on), all you have to do is send in your pretender(after all players joined and game closed by the host) and than send each turn you play. to save you further questions, you need to email your pretender to pretenders@llamaserver.net and your turns to turns.llamaserver.net
also, I wouldn't recommend Man for a new player, as it's 1 of the weaker, thus harder nations to play with.
SplendidTuesday
February 22nd, 2010, 07:56 PM
basically the host of the game loads you up into Llamaserver(the server in which most MP games in Dominions are hosted on), all you have to do is send in your pretender(after all players joined and game closed by the host) and than send each turn you play. to save you further questions, you need to email your pretender to pretenders@llamaserver.net and your turns to turns.llamaserver.net
also, I wouldn't recommend Man for a new player, as it's 1 of the weaker, thus harder nations to play with.
How do I email a pretender and how do I email turns? Also, nah, I still want to try Man, I've been looking up strategies for it, and I think I'll be fine.
Silence0
February 22nd, 2010, 09:22 PM
I would like to join as C'tis if available...
militarist
February 22nd, 2010, 09:40 PM
What question with R'lyeh? Why in brackets?
SplendidTuesday
February 22nd, 2010, 11:35 PM
Actually, I am going to switch to Pythium. Still need info on how exactly I email the pretender files and the turn files, though.
EDIT: Scratch off Pythium as well. I'll play Jotunheim and that's final.
Hadrian_II
February 23rd, 2010, 12:36 AM
How do I email a pretender and how do I email turns?
look here Llamaserver FAQ (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160)
I would like to join as C'tis if available...
I am Ctis so it is not avilable
What question with R'lyeh? Why in brackets?
You are only half in the game, as at the moment you are the only water nation.
Graeme Dice
February 23rd, 2010, 12:59 AM
I'd also be happy to switch to Atlantis if you need another water nation to fight against.
Silence0
February 23rd, 2010, 09:52 AM
In that case i'll try Marignon...
SplendidTuesday
February 23rd, 2010, 11:34 PM
Actually, I'm going to withdraw from this game. Realized that I don't have enough time on my hands, and I also need more skill in the game anyway.
Sorry, guys.
Grijalva
February 24th, 2010, 05:02 AM
Bandar Log please,
Strabo
February 24th, 2010, 05:56 AM
I'll try Pythium
+1 vote for Orania
Hoplosternum
February 24th, 2010, 05:50 PM
Mictlan please
WaterHazard
February 24th, 2010, 08:51 PM
I'd like to try Eriu.
Digress
February 25th, 2010, 12:09 AM
I would like to give Caelum a run and Asia Twist.
Grijalva
February 25th, 2010, 02:06 AM
I'll vote for Alexander
Hadrian_II
February 25th, 2010, 02:29 AM
We are filling up nicely, so it looks like the game might start at the weekend.
seryozha
February 26th, 2010, 10:03 AM
I would like to give T'ien Ch'i a try :)
Penguin Zero
February 26th, 2010, 11:17 AM
If you don't mind a complete newbie joining in (and I mean complete -- I've played a bit of single-player, mostly on the demo, but my copy of the full game just arrived yesterday), I'd like to play. Put me down as Agartha.
I'll vote for Asia Twist, just because it looks interesting.
zegc-ben
February 27th, 2010, 06:21 AM
I would like to join as Vanheim. I have to tell you that I am also a newbie with some SP experience though.
I have no opinion on the map choice.
Hadrian_II
February 27th, 2010, 07:54 AM
OK, i created the game Orania is the map with the most votes, so it will be used.
Also as Orania has only 20 water provinces, rlyeh may sit in the pond alone.
danbo
February 27th, 2010, 08:00 AM
Most of the nations have found their wise rulers, but position of the Jotun Jarl seems to be open. So I'd like to join as Jotunheim.
zegc-ben
February 27th, 2010, 01:29 PM
Most game include an explicit position about diplomaty. Should we use biding diplomaty or be free to lie and betray as much as we want ?
Hadrian_II
February 28th, 2010, 04:09 AM
Most game include an explicit position about diplomaty. Should we use biding diplomaty or be free to lie and betray as much as we want ?
Do whatever you want.
Hadrian_II
February 28th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Stilll missing the pretenders from:
Arcoscephale: Cicero
Pythium: Strabo
Shinuyama: Alpine Joe
Ulm: coobe
Please upload them, so that i can start the game tomorrow evening (in 24 hours)
welltimat
February 28th, 2010, 05:32 PM
I'll join as Abysia if you don't mind :)
Hadrian_II
February 28th, 2010, 06:06 PM
no problem
Hadrian_II
March 1st, 2010, 04:53 PM
ok, still missing arco and ulm, i sent them a message and if they do not upload their pretenders today, the game will start without them.
Hadrian_II
March 2nd, 2010, 04:38 PM
OK, game is started, and as ulm/coobe did neither upload a pretender or send me a message, he is out of the game
Graeme Dice
March 11th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Hey Penguin Zero, could you go into your profile and tell it that you want to accept private messages? It's much easier to do diplomacy through the forum than through the in-game messaging.
militarist
March 12th, 2010, 12:31 AM
I don't remember who it was, but 2 players I met also blocked private messages. And didn't respond to ingame messages. 2! One. I would think is strange..or personal...but 2? At this stage of a game?
Hadrian_II
March 12th, 2010, 04:38 AM
all players that do not accept PMs have to be killed for convenience? :D
seryozha
March 13th, 2010, 04:57 AM
all players that do not accept PMs have to be killed for convenience? :D
Apparently yes. Private message received yesterday at 9pm, no answer? Pretender sent and lost in an attack against my capital. I was wishing a peaceful coexistence with R'lyeh, or at least not a war right now, but Militarist lives up to his reputation. So let war be.
militarist
March 13th, 2010, 02:36 PM
It was really hard to resist temptation to try, Seryozha, and I though that if my Wyrm dies, it will not be a tragedy as I'm too OP anyway. But if will win - it will be funny, and we are here for fun, right? :) But it will be interesting to see how you will get through usual PD.At this stage of a game, I don't really think I need anything else against your brave aggression. Also - it's quite a no-end war for you. It looks like Rleh is the only water nation in a game, so I'm going to feel well anyway, and for me dividing the world on friends and enemies is ok. It will be hard for you to find allies, as anyone who will join will be punished earlier or later with no chance to kill us.
Btw, we are looking for allies in our crusade to Seryozha - he is very underdeveloped, and his forces are quite funny. PM me if interested.
zegc-ben
March 14th, 2010, 03:10 PM
As you will see with your in game message, I am selling magic items and organizing an auction for a dwarven hammer. The auction will be held here and public. I am letting the bidders evaluate as they want how do outbid each others but I have to say that the relative value of magic gems will depend on external parameters but I expect earth to have a very hight one. I would also accept gold or other items as part of a bid and delayed payment may be accepted.
Grijalva
March 15th, 2010, 10:02 AM
I'll give you 5 earth gems, no...4...
Hadrian_II
March 15th, 2010, 04:28 PM
it looks like pan is gone for good, as the player is new and his last forum activity was the 25.2, i dont think there is hope that he comes back, so i will try to get a sub for him.
btw. i postponed the game for 24 hours
michai
March 16th, 2010, 11:29 AM
i missed a few turns as there was a big delay a week or so ago, thought that the new patch messed things up, but it appears that the game did resume... anyway, new turn submited
zegc-ben
March 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM
I have a problem with the llamaserver, it seems that our game has desapered from the list of active games and I can't go directly to the games status.
zegc-ben
March 17th, 2010, 04:44 AM
Now it's back to normal, strange ... (btw how can I edit or delete my messages)
Jarkko
March 17th, 2010, 08:36 AM
(btw how can I edit or delete my messages)
After the grace time (is it 20 or 30 minutes? something like that) you can not edit your post anymore.
Penguin Zero
March 19th, 2010, 02:58 PM
Didn't realize I hadn't been set to accept PMs -- and I hadn't checked this thread in a while due to being a little busy in RL. Oops. I'm clear to accept messages now, though I doubt it'll matter -- my noobishness has basically put me in a position I don't think I can recover from. (I consistently underestimated the amount of troops it would take to fight both independents and Ashdod, and now it looks like I've probably missed some diplomacy attempts.) Looks like I'm not going to be taking my first game ever by storm... :o
michai
March 21st, 2010, 08:51 AM
Euarchus will take over the game from me, at least temporarily. Would it be possible to send the turns to him for now?
militarist
March 22nd, 2010, 04:20 PM
Need water and astral gems. Have all other kind of gems for trade.
Hadrian_II
March 22nd, 2010, 06:32 PM
Euarchus will take over the game from me, at least temporarily. Would it be possible to send the turns to him for now?
it would be possible, but i need his email address to do so
militarist
March 23rd, 2010, 04:20 PM
Some changes:
I need S gems only now, exchange rates are:
with D and E :1 to 1,
with W,A,F,N I pay 1.5 of any of these gems for 1 S.
If you are site searching by spells, it will boost your search 1.5 times
Hoplosternum
March 23rd, 2010, 07:21 PM
I am seeking a Skull Staff. I will pay in any type of gems for one. Quantities to be haggled over :)
I am also interested in a Dwarven Hammer. Again any type of gems in exchange.
PM me if interested.
Grijalva
March 24th, 2010, 02:28 PM
Bandar Log and Machaka would like to make public our defensive alliance.
Meaning, if anyone cancels an NAP with one alliance member, the other has to cancel any NAP he may have with that power.
And, of course, if anyone ATTACKS an alliance member, the other member is obligated to attack in kind.
Jarkko
March 24th, 2010, 07:09 PM
Machaka confirms the existence of this pact. The Spiderking is very pleased to announce the existence of this pact!
zegc-ben
March 25th, 2010, 05:14 AM
People I have a problem.
Last night my computer has crashed so I won't be able to play. I have no idea of the problem so I dont know how much time I will be unable to play. Please dont look for a sub until it is clear that I will be gone for more than a few days. More information when I will know more about what appened.
Jarkko
March 25th, 2010, 05:41 AM
Bandar Log and Machaka are happy to announce that C'tis has joined our defensive alliance!
If anyone cancels a NAP with one of the BMC alliance members, then any possible NAPs with the other BMC alliance members will also be made void.
If anyone attacks an alliance member, the other BMC members will in retaliation engage the aggressor.
militarist
March 25th, 2010, 06:29 AM
It looks like the game becomes more team vs team :)) The question will be if it will be teams 3x3x3.... or 4x4x.4... or something else :).
Btw. Is it a defensive alliance? What if someone from alliance attacks someone out of alliance?
I propose an idea, btw. Let's all together sign common defensive alliance against UFO and people from other planets, and pronounce any mutual wars illegal. And let's win the smartest, not strongest. Arcane Nexus rush!
Grijalva
March 25th, 2010, 07:13 AM
You may have wanted to read the text of the alliance-announcement before posting.
Its a *defensive* alliance, that should tell you everything. :-)
Euarchus
March 25th, 2010, 03:19 PM
There is no such thing as a defensive alliance, my noble pans see this new entente as a blatant provocation!
Hadrian_II
March 25th, 2010, 07:49 PM
Bandar Log and Machaka are happy to announce that C'tis has joined our defensive alliance!
If anyone cancels a NAP with one of the BMC alliance members, then any possible NAPs with the other BMC alliance members will also be made void.
If anyone attacks an alliance member, the other BMC members will in retaliation engage the aggressor.
C'tis is proud to joind the glorious nations of Bandar Log and Machaka on the path of peace and prosperity
militarist
March 25th, 2010, 08:03 PM
Who will defend the world from defenders :) ?
zegc-ben
March 26th, 2010, 05:27 AM
It was only a problem with the power button so everything is back but it's a pity I did'nt get even a 24h delay.
Jarkko
March 26th, 2010, 05:37 AM
Who will defend the world from defenders :) ?
Small nations have to defend each other, else we all will be gobbled up real fast. This a multiplayer game where diplomacy is very important, believing one can just bully through to victory without co-operation with others is perhaps not the smartest thing to do :)
We three share common borders with each other, and we border the current superpowers in the game. If our defensive alliance is a deterrent to an evil nation planning an attack on one of us, then we have succeeded with our goal :)
Grijalva
March 27th, 2010, 02:19 AM
I suggest we set arco to AI now.
He's staled out recently and is about to get finished off anyway, so why wait for him to stale again?
thanks
Euarchus
March 27th, 2010, 06:23 AM
I've already eliminated him...
Hadrian_II
March 28th, 2010, 12:46 PM
the game is now on a 48h timer
militarist
March 28th, 2010, 04:31 PM
I need boots E+1 , please let me know if someone can do them for me.
Digress
March 29th, 2010, 01:49 AM
Caelum is not long for this world. A couple of missteps have resulted in our armies ending up as roadkill in front of silly-large Jotunheim armies.
One victory does not a war win .... unfortunately.
Penguin Zero
March 29th, 2010, 09:30 AM
I feel your pain. Agartha's on the verge of falling to the giant armies of Ashdod. My noobishness clearly doomed me. Still, it was entertaining! (And I take some consolation from not being the first player eliminated, which surprised me.)
Digress
April 1st, 2010, 08:29 AM
Well Caelum is finished and Jotunheim appears to be about to taste a somewhat Phyrric victory as the vultures descend from all quarters.
Caelum set to AI.
militarist
April 5th, 2010, 05:10 AM
Have a site with hydromansers (w3 mages). Not very useful for Rleh, so if someone has a mage recruiting site which is more useful for Rleh like silver order and needs water mages, I'm open for exchange.
militarist
April 5th, 2010, 06:34 AM
Have a site with hydromansers (w3 mages). Not very useful for Rleh, so if someone has a mage recruiting site which is more useful for Rleh like silver order and needs water mages, I'm open for exchange.
danbo
April 7th, 2010, 12:50 PM
Jotun Jarl is pleased to announce that treacherous plans of Ctissian tyrant to blietzkrieg Jotunheim out of the map have failed miserably. Brave warriors of Jotunheim lured Ctissian hordes into suburbs of our capital and with a little help of General Frost prevailed in epic battle.
Ctissians have lost hundreds of soldiers and host of mages and is about to face the vengeance of Jotunheim. Ctis is very vulnerable now and we welcome other nations to join our crusade against this filthy nation.
Jarkko
April 8th, 2010, 12:31 AM
Ctissians have lost hundreds of soldiers and host of mages and is about to face the vengeance of Jotunheim. Ctis is very vulnerable now and we welcome other nations to join our crusade against this filthy nation.
The spiderking of Machaka would like to, just as a reminder, re-itreate that C'tis is part of the BMC defensive alliance. Jotunheim has already caused much grievance by destroyin Caelum, and as such their actions have in the past spoken of their intentions. Yet, the C'tis-Jotunheim fracass is a duel, and will be honoured as such; any third parts attacking C'tis would however face consequenses from the other BMC alliance members.
Graeme Dice
April 8th, 2010, 12:56 AM
The Bandar Log/Machaka/C'Tis defensive pact is more of an aggressive alliance designed to take out whoever they think looks like the juciest target. But go ahead and attack Bandar Log and machaka if you want. All their armies are currently tied up trying to cause me any real lasting damage.
Grijalva
April 8th, 2010, 01:54 AM
Ha, someone with a giant empire is upset because because two minor powers decided to take him down a peg. :)
Just a reminder to all of the obvious, the Ermor empire is collapsing under the joint offensives of Bandar log and Machaka and maybe Ryleh (its hard to tell), come grab a piece of the fertile valleys and many castles that were once corrupted by legions of undead.
- ooo ooo OOO! (sic), god of Bandar Log
Jarkko
April 8th, 2010, 02:15 AM
The Bandar Log/Machaka/C'Tis defensive pact is more of an aggressive alliance designed to take out whoever they think looks like the juciest target. But go ahead and attack Bandar Log and machaka if you want. All their armies are currently tied up trying to cause me any real lasting damage.
Heh :) Look at who is crying :) Ermor, *the* giant amongst giants, is afraid of two small nations who stood up to actually give a token fight :) Yes, almost half of the Machakan troops are at the Ermorian front, that is true, but that hardly is *all* our armies, not even close :)
It may come as a shock, but the world does not rotate around Ermor. I also have another piece of news: Skellispam and a few netherbolts can take you just so far. Yes, it is alarming that Ermor finally began to research something, but Ermor is the giant on clay feet, and the clay can apparently not carry the weight of the giant; looks like Ermor is about to crumble before there is even any serious push! :eek: Then again, if Ermor gets its research going, none of its neighbours will be safe; not the small ones (no matter how united they would stand), not even the big ones.
Graeme Dice
April 8th, 2010, 02:24 AM
I have not yet begun to skellispam!
Hadrian_II
April 8th, 2010, 03:58 AM
Jotun Jarl is pleased to announce that treacherous plans of Ctissian tyrant to blietzkrieg Jotunheim out of the map have failed miserably. Brave warriors of Jotunheim lured Ctissian hordes into suburbs of our capital and with a little help of General Frost prevailed in epic battle.
Ctissians have lost hundreds of soldiers and host of mages and is about to face the vengeance of Jotunheim. Ctis is very vulnerable now and we welcome other nations to join our crusade against this filthy nation.
You know, that when you win a battle, but your losses are bigger than the losses of your enemy, then it is called a phyrric victory?
danbo
April 8th, 2010, 05:09 AM
You know, that when you win a battle, but your losses are bigger than the losses of your enemy, then it is called a phyrric victory?
You are not quite correct. This term is about a person who became a winner but is unable to conduct war further. The real Phyrrus always did more harm to his enemies, by the way.
In our situation you've lost almost all your invasion force and I have strong and standing army.
Digress
April 8th, 2010, 06:40 AM
My understanding was he was a magnificent general whose dreams went unfulfilled.
Euarchus
April 9th, 2010, 05:22 AM
I'm Pan - my losses are always bigger than the enemy's!
Hadrian_II
April 9th, 2010, 06:27 AM
C'tis came just under attach by jotunheims vassal vanheim, and we think that this is a sign how desperate they are.
Hoplosternum
April 24th, 2010, 05:23 AM
So Jarkko and his spidery minions now make war upon the whole world?
I would have thought the realisation that he has been cruelly used by his so called allies as a cats paw for them to conquer while he gets nothing would have taught him some caution. But apparently not :)
We have no mutual border so his spidery forces are safe from me at the moment. But while his spell is up he can consider us at war our forces meet.
Jarkko
April 24th, 2010, 11:34 AM
So Jarkko and his spidery minions now make war upon the whole world?
Really? No matter how hard I look at the map, it doesnt appear my dominion has spread outside my borders, so don't know how that is a declaration of war on everybody. Sure, if you send your troops into Machakan dominion you might suffer, other than that you are safe :)
Hoplosternum
April 24th, 2010, 12:48 PM
So Jarkko and his spidery minions now make war upon the whole world?
Really? No matter how hard I look at the map, it doesnt appear my dominion has spread outside my borders, so don't know how that is a declaration of war on everybody. Sure, if you send your troops into Machakan dominion you might suffer, other than that you are safe :)
Wrath of God strikes the whole world, though it falls more heavily in your dominion. I am losing troops, although I have a few spare to lose at this stage :p I suspect everyone - friend and foe alike will be suffering from your Global. You are now attacking every other nation on the map - a curious diplomatic move :) Especially as the spell is pretty rubbish :p
Jarkko
April 24th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Collateral damage happens, but when it is Ermor who suffers 99% of the damage, who cares? :)
Graeme Dice
April 24th, 2010, 08:07 PM
If 14 units is the majority of the damage, then it's not very effective.
Jarkko
April 25th, 2010, 01:06 AM
If 14 units is the majority of the damage, then it's not very effective.
True. The effect wasn't very great this turn, and those 14 indeed are the majority of the losses caused.
Previous turn, when you had hundreds of troops and commanders in my dominion the losses were "slightly" different. And that is the only thing that matters, if Ermor deems it not worthwile to lose his nether spamming mages in droves by attacking Machaka, then the objective has been fulfilled :)
Grijalva
April 25th, 2010, 01:21 AM
There's no problem with Wrath of God over here in Monkey Country, even though we share a long border. Only a few units were hit at all, certainly nothing that could shake our alliance. Down with Ermor!
Euarchus
April 25th, 2010, 06:01 AM
Well, I think Pangea will be eliminated very soon. It's been good fun, I'm pleased that I managed to take our Arco before getting eliminated (when I took over I assumed it was a lost cause), although clearly taking on Mictlan was a bridge too far!
Hoplosternum
April 25th, 2010, 09:15 AM
Good game Euarchus :) It is always tough taking over a position that has been staling a lot of turns.
Unfortunately for you my troops can be massed almost as quickly as your Maeneads and my cheap slingers are perfect against unarmoured opponents. And by this stage I could afford to send in a lot of mages as well. So I was surprised when you attacked me as Pan is almost my perfect opponent :)
Jarkko
May 18th, 2010, 02:35 AM
Ah crap, forgot to send my turn this morning before getting to work. Any chance to postpone the hosting for a couple hours, please? I have the turn done, just didn't post it, and my shift at work ends about half an hour after the hosting is due :(
Hadrian_II
May 18th, 2010, 08:17 AM
postponed
Jarkko
May 18th, 2010, 08:42 AM
Thanks :) I left an hour early from work, but got stuck in the traffic. The turn is sent now, wouldnt have made it without the postponing.
militarist
May 22nd, 2010, 04:29 AM
Who is subbing Micltan?
Hadrian_II
May 22nd, 2010, 05:56 AM
i think there is no sub, but just Hoplosternum using another email address.
militarist
May 23rd, 2010, 04:17 AM
"Unfortunately I will be away for a week soon so will need a sub for a turn or two."
That's what he wrote me...
Hoplosternum
May 23rd, 2010, 06:38 AM
I haven't gone away yet :)
I will be away from next Saturday for a week. So I shall be looking for a sub for that time.
ghoul31
May 23rd, 2010, 06:43 PM
I made peace with Abyssia, I even send him 1200 old. But he betrayed me and still is attacking me. bandar also attacked me, so he must have made a deal with him.
So some good advice is never to make a deal with welltimat in Dominions 3
militarist
May 23rd, 2010, 07:08 PM
Yes, everyone makes own reputation here. Now with joining Abysia alliance is unstoppable. I beileve they could afford winning war without spoiling their reputation by ignoring NAPs and such kind of backstabbing.
ghoul31
May 23rd, 2010, 07:21 PM
Bandar will become unstoppable soon. So they are just handing the game to him. I don't get it.
Grijalva
May 23rd, 2010, 10:34 PM
ummm, actually it was a lack of diplomacy that lead me to attack you guys. It was strange of you to think that I wouldn't attack you when we don't have an NAP or any agreements.
militerist, you have been obsessed with this "alliance" that has basically amounted to an NAP, I haven't even communicated with my "allies" in many turns and don't even share a border with Abysia and certainly have no agreements with him.
The fact is that you have had a border with me the whole game but haven't tried anything, so if i've grown too powerful for you, then its your own making.
But I resent the implication that I have stabbed anyone in the back, no deals have been violated by the scrupulous monkeys to date :)
Hoplosternum
May 24th, 2010, 02:14 AM
Our NAP is now being terminated Mr Log. Your rapacious monkeys cannot be allowed to take over the world without opposition. And your assault on our Stargazing friends is the last straw :)
I usually feel bound by NAPs, but if I become convinced that you do not then I shall not feel bound by ours. I would simply be being taken for a mug if I provide you with the notice you would not provide me or your other opponents.
So you are safe from me this turn - but I shall be investigating whether you are an oath breaker or not.
Grijalva
May 24th, 2010, 04:40 AM
I have honored all of my contracts to date. If militarist (or ashod) says we had an NAP with him then he is mistaken. In fact, until recently we did not even share a border. Perhaps they overlooked the fact that they had a new neighbor.
So I consider all of my current deals valid . Mr Mictlan, I consider you to be the true threat to world piece, having discovered the secrets of ancient artifacts no doubt. So your cancellation of our NAP was expected and is noted. :)
@ militarist: You seem to think we had some kind of deal in place, perhaps you are thinking of our discussions to make war on ermor? Nothing ever came of that and there was never any talk of NAP, alliance or in fact any kind of deal. I was just trying to convince you to attack my enemy, and you never did anyways.
I know it hurts to lose so many provinces in one turn, but you gotta have some pd man, that's happened to me before too, more than once :(
danbo
May 24th, 2010, 10:11 AM
The funniest point in this situation is that Rlyeh himself didn't bother to honor the NAP and trade agreement he had with my nation, Jotunheim. My brave warriors now feast in Valhalla, but I'm glad I managed to take out one hundred of Rlyeh commanders. I think it's nice price for treason:)
Graeme Dice
May 24th, 2010, 01:11 PM
Good work Bandar Log. I made a couple of critical mistakes in a few different battles and in planning my empire that basically doomed me in the end. Once I saw your bless I really should have switched to skellyspam and darkness instead of trying to keep using nether darts. I also should have set up a communion against Machaka much better, since I lost 20 mages in one battle to mistaken scripting, and thus doomed my research.
militarist
May 24th, 2010, 05:39 PM
Please switch Rleh to Graeme Dice. He is already in game and will have a chance to pick up the nation fast . Resend him turn and giv turn extension.
Greeme, if you sent me yuor email I would forward yuo current turn sooner then admiin, probably.
Grijalva
May 24th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Thanks, and I tip my hat to Ermor as well. That was a very fun war, kept going back and forth....so many of my dear tiger-riders were feeble-minded by those damn darts. It definitely could have gone either way, especially if you also didn't have to fight Machacka at the same time.
Graeme Dice
May 24th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Oh yah, had I been able to send that army that kept winning against Machaka against you things probably would have gone very differently. I also found out just how annoying an S9 bless is when combined with second shape sacred units, antimagic, and a reliance on MR negates spells.
militarist
May 24th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Hello! Following a request on the LlamaServer website, I'm resending your turn file. Please find the attached file - R'lyeh turn 54 for the game Greenstone.
The next 2h file is due in by 22:35 GMT on Tuesday May 25th.
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Problems or questions? E-mail llamabeast@llamaserver.net.
Got this email. Probably me email in game is not replased by Graemy's.Someone needs to fix it.
Grijalva
May 24th, 2010, 11:33 PM
I really hope you stay in the game militarist, you're still in a great position, most of the provinces I just took you can immediately take back without much trouble (probably:)) and you're still the third most powerful nation on the charts. I'm surprised you aren't eager to team up with Mictlan and "try" to teach me a lesson. :)
But seriously, if you really can't play it any more that's your call and I understand. All I'm saying is that you might regret it if you quite just because of one turn's frustration.
Hadrian_II
May 25th, 2010, 06:05 AM
ok, graeme dice should be in control of r'lyeh
Grijalva
May 25th, 2010, 07:31 AM
ahh, so, Mr. Dice...the duel continues! :)
I assume the ermor is going AI then?
Graeme Dice
May 25th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Yep should be going AI.
Calahan
May 25th, 2010, 12:45 PM
A word of warning Graeme, if you are the player who will be submitting a turn for R'lyeh this turn, and you are also the player setting Ermor AI, then there is a good chance one of the turns, or indeed both turns, will be ignored by the game if you are using the same registration key. (handled by the game as both nations getting stales IIRC)
If the above scenario is the case, then the best solution is to get someone else to set Ermor AI instead of yourself. Shouldn't be too hard to find a volunteer for that on IRC. Or PM me (or the admin can PM me) if you nobody there offers to help (they are often a cruel mean spirited lot).
If you've already set Ermor AI, then still get someone to do it as their turn file will overwrite the one you sent (and so should avoid the same registration key clash)
Graeme Dice
May 25th, 2010, 01:00 PM
I wasn't aware that that could happen. I'll see about getting somebody to do that.
Calahan
May 25th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Hi everyone
I've been asked by Graeme and Hadrian to turn Ermor AI, but on receiving the turn file I find that Ermor isn't quite dead yet, and certainly not worthy of handing over to the AI. Especially as the AI would just give away the Oak of Ages site to the first person who came knocking.
So if nobody objects, I'm happy to play the game out for Ermor in order to give them a proper last stand.
I'll contact Graeme to get the diplomatic situation from him, but for now I'll assume Ermor is at least at war with Bandar Log.
welltimat
May 26th, 2010, 12:32 AM
I made peace with Abyssia, I even send him 1200 old. But he betrayed me and still is attacking me. bandar also attacked me, so he must have made a deal with him.
So some good advice is never to make a deal with welltimat in Dominions 3
1. Technically, you haven't made a deal with me. You demanded that i should return you a castle and a territory. We agreed for castle, but you refused to return a territory for exchange of yours. May be you forgot, but your last PM was 'i am not giving you a territory'.
2. Despite that, i decided to make a peace with you.
3. I wrote you a PM as soon as i saw the turn outcome explaining that was just a technical mistake with taking a file from a wrong directory. I don't want to go in details here. I am not sure if you can read, but you can try to do this from your PM.
4. Congratulations, you are an idiot. Both for your childish behavior and shouting about peace loud on forums. STFU.
ghoul31
May 26th, 2010, 07:10 AM
I made peace with Abyssia, I even send him 1200 old. But he betrayed me and still is attacking me. bandar also attacked me, so he must have made a deal with him.
So some good advice is never to make a deal with welltimat in Dominions 3
1. Technically, you haven't made a deal with me. You demanded that i should return you a castle and a territory. We agreed for castle, but you refused to return a territory for exchange of yours. May be you forgot, but your last PM was 'i am not giving you a territory'.
2. Despite that, i decided to make a peace with you.
3. I wrote you a PM as soon as i saw the turn outcome explaining that was just a technical mistake with taking a file from a wrong directory. I don't want to go in details here. I am not sure if you can read, but you can try to do this from your PM.
4. Congratulations, you are an idiot. Both for your childish behavior and shouting about peace loud on forums. STFU.
So you screwed up and sent in the wrong turn file. Now you get on here and call me a bunch of names, even though the whole thing was your fault. Good job.
militarist
May 26th, 2010, 06:11 PM
It looks like things went wrong because of emotions and bad communications. It's a good moment to understand it and fix it unless it's too late for everyone. Don't spoil the game.
Hoplosternum
May 28th, 2010, 05:34 PM
I am off on holiday for a week - Fakeymcfake has kingly agreed to sub for me while I am away.
I have sent in turn 56.
Jarkko
June 3rd, 2010, 01:45 AM
I will be away from home on a cruise from Sunday morning (about 0600 Llama-server time on 6th of June) until Wednesday evening (about 1900 Llama-server time). I would kindly ask the turn hosting to be postponed for turns which would be hosted during that time and which I have not been able to upload a turn for (I think I won't take my laptop along, it would be quite iffy to get an internet connection on sea).
Grijalva
June 3rd, 2010, 02:57 AM
yarrgh! Such a painful stale, but that's what I get for sending in my turn 5 minutes under the gun.
Anyway, I'm going to be a bit busy today and tomorrow with work so I'm requesting a 24hour delay in order to properly sort this mess out.
thanks
Hadrian_II
June 3rd, 2010, 06:17 AM
turn is delayed by 24h for bandar log. btw. i think we are now in a region of the game where 72h turn time might be justified.
@Jarkko i try to remember to look if you have sent your turn and postpone accordingly
Hadrian_II
June 9th, 2010, 12:11 PM
hosting postponed by 24h for machaka
Jarkko
June 9th, 2010, 01:52 PM
Came home, and did my turn a moment ago :)
Hoplosternum
June 12th, 2010, 05:52 PM
Going to 72 hrs gets my vote
Grijalva
June 12th, 2010, 11:41 PM
Going to 72 hrs gets my vote
+ 1
Calahan
June 13th, 2010, 01:32 AM
Although my Ermor turns don't take long, I'd never vote against anyone wanting a longer hosting interval in which to do their turns.
Hadrian_II
June 13th, 2010, 04:03 AM
ok, i set the game to 72h hosting
Calahan
July 4th, 2010, 07:26 AM
Sorry about the stale guys. Purely a 'being mega busy + slip of the mind' combo job. Didn't make too much difference though, as not much I would have done during the stale turn anyway (but it did spoil Ermor's perfect record :().
One admin request though. Any chance the hosting reminder can be increased to say 12 hours or so? Since my end, the last turn hosted in the early hours of the morning, and I received the 6 hour reminder email in the middle of the night. Which, given that it's not attached to an alarm clock to wake me, kind of made it completely useless in its function as a reminder :) Given my incredibly minor role in the game though, my vote counts almost zero compared to what email reminder setting the other players want.
Although if it was attached to an alarm clock, it would soon be a destroyed alarm clock if it woke me from my drunken haze just to play a computer game :D
Hadrian_II
July 4th, 2010, 09:46 AM
remainder is set on 12h
ghoul31
July 16th, 2010, 12:10 AM
I think we should declare Bandar Log the winner in this game
Graeme Dice
July 16th, 2010, 01:39 AM
He's beating you. That doesn't mean that he's beating everyone else, especially those of us who can match him in astral power. His pretender just died for example.
Grijalva
July 16th, 2010, 02:06 AM
As long as Ashdod keeps feeding me delicious fully-kitted out Adons I should have no problems. :)
@Dice you killed my pretender because I was incredibly stupid and didn't script more buffs. It would have been easy for me to cast MoD and Fog Warriors not to mention a few others, I'm still kicking myself over that one.
But frankly, be more afraid of Mictlan, you all look at provinces and income, but he's been sitting on power comparable to mine and has fought only like one war the whole game. Take a look at his forts: hundreds of sacreds just sitting there, it will take a long time for this game to finish I believe.
ghoul31
July 16th, 2010, 02:18 AM
He's beating you. That doesn't mean that he's beating everyone else, especially those of us who can match him in astral power. His pretender just died for example.
He has 3 times your income, almost 3 times your gem income, almost 3 times as many provinces, so yea he's beating you.
Machaka and Vanheim seemd to have stopped playing, Abyssia is fighting ctis for some reason.
But if think you can win, I'll keep playing.
zegc-ben
July 16th, 2010, 03:56 AM
I haven't stopped playing, just that after loosing badly to Ctis I dont have many things to do except trying to defend what is left. I will keep playing until a winner is decided.
Hoplosternum
July 16th, 2010, 02:05 PM
But frankly, be more afraid of Mictlan, you all look at provinces and income, but he's been sitting on power comparable to mine and has fought only like one war the whole game. Take a look at his forts: hundreds of sacreds just sitting there, it will take a long time for this game to finish I believe.
Defensively I am pretty strong and I have enough mages, SCs and sacreds to make attacking me tough. And it's fun being able to cast just about every spell in the game. I think it is only Wish/other astral 9s I don't have a caster (with the right boosters) for at this point :)
But I can't make any progress against you and you have been way ahead in gems and especially income for many many turns. Income may not seem that important at this stage but I am sure with 8-10,000 a turn you must easily be able to recruit a mage in each of your 30 forts every turn if needed?. I doubt anyone can come close to that. In fact the rest of us would probably struggle to build 30 mages a turn between us after upkeep now. And while my army is still larger than yours it's mostly free chaff where as yours is not.
I am happy to concede at this point. The turns are taking a long long time now and I think if we continue as we are we will all slowly be killed off by Bandar. Why put him or ourselves through that? I had my chances in this game and did not take them. But I think Bandar has played very well. He built his alliance, took his chances and (with help) took out the early game leader. Then nobbled his closest rival R'lyeh in a single turn. He seems to have held off and even made gains against three of his closest rivals while massively building his gem and gold income up.
However with a bit of cooperation, and if Abysia and Helheim were to attack him as well, this game is certainly not over. I think Bandar might struggle to fight us all at once, but it would be close - he's a long way ahead now and especially deadly on the defensive where his massive communions/astral power is a killer when he gets the first shot in.
So I don't want to call for the end the game if others really want to continue. I am happy to carry on if others want to.
So what do others want to do? Call it a day and crown Bandar? Or carry on fighting?
Graeme Dice
July 16th, 2010, 06:05 PM
Well, if everybody else really, absolutely feels like they can't possibly defeat Bandar Log, then we can call the game. I'm not so sure that they'd win in the long run though if everybody turned on them.
Hoplosternum
July 16th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Well, if everybody else really, absolutely feels like they can't possibly defeat Bandar Log, then we can call the game. I'm not so sure that they'd win in the long run though if everybody turned on them.
I am happy to continue. And I think the rest of us have a reasonable chance against him if we cooperate.
Not sure how fair an everyone vs Bandar fight is though. It would be interesting but would it be satisfying? :p
Grijalva
July 17th, 2010, 04:20 AM
I'm game to play as long as everyone else wants to continue, but would be happy to accept victory if that's what people want too.
My thoughts:
Actually I'm already at war with every neighbor I have except for Machacka and a thin sliver of border with Ctis, so it kinda IS everyone-vs-Bandar. Now if you guys start pooling your gems, declare full peace and everything then you could give me a hell of a fight; I could very well lose after a number of turns.
However, after coordinating such a massive alliance, at some point its just going to switch over to the same discussion about Mictlan, then on the the next major power or back to me and so on.
So whatever works for everyone. However, I do want to say that everyone I have fought so far has played very well and its been a very fun game, in fact, for most of the game there were almost no stales!
Calahan
July 17th, 2010, 10:14 AM
Just a quick post to say I have no say in whether Bandar are crowned champions or not. As my job as Ermor is purely to make sure nobody gets the Oak of Ages for free.
And maybe also to take the odd pot-shot at anyone who strays nearby :)
Hadrian_II
July 18th, 2010, 07:15 PM
i will go to holyday, and as was not able to find a sub (forget to look for one on time) and that C'tis is beaten anyway, i set C'tis to AI.
have fun with the game
P.S. i sent the gamepassword to Grijalva
Calahan
July 23rd, 2010, 05:32 PM
Grijalva/Bandar staled again. That's two on the bounce now. I'd hate to see all his hard work ruined by a few stales.
Not sure what to do about it though :confused:
welltimat
July 23rd, 2010, 07:16 PM
I know such a feeling. When you are on the top and then you feel that you start sliding down. Sometimes it really kills the will to continue the game. Should either grasp yourself or find a replacement sub.
Grijalva
July 24th, 2010, 12:47 AM
I've been meaning to address this issue. No, its not as you say welltimat, I would like nothing more than to see this game to it's conclusion, be it victory or defeat for me, as its been so much damn fun! In fact, I would say the primary cause of my downfall was so many stales and especially the near stales in the recent turns (of course my opponents were also to blame :) )
This was, at first, simply because of my crazy rl work these days. The final straw happened with the last stale: my laptop decided to finally quite on me. I tried to solve the problem and even delayed the game by 24hours, but it seems as though the real only solution is to find a sub to take over. Its possible to play my other two games on my work computer as they are in their early stages, but spending several hours at work playing dom3 just isn't feasible.
Sorry guys, and thanks for being so patient, it was great playing with everyone. I'll post a sub thread now.
Calahan
July 24th, 2010, 02:11 AM
It's a real shame to hear you have to sub-out Grijalve. Personally, I'm not sure it's worth the game continuing if you do, as I've seen this before, and been in this situation before, and a subbed-in leader coming in to such a big game and position, at such an incredibly late stage, always totally changes the 'feel' of the game. And almost always for the worse :( (no offence intended directly at any sub that might come in).
It was only two turns ago there was talk of conceding to you. Which would have been a fair outcome by all accounts from what history I know of this game, being a late sub myself. And also well deserved for the obvious hard work and fine playing performance you've put in to the game so far, and which got you into the leading position you have.
I feel a little odd here actually, since my role in the game is so minor that I don't think I have any right to vote on any matter, or have any say in what happens regarding the outcome. But I know if this was a regular 'played from the start' game for me, I'd be saying it would be better for the game as a whole, and in order for it to have the proper and worthy outcome any good game deserves, that you should be declared the winner now. This has to be better in my mind than a scenario where your nation is subbed out, and then all the other nations take advantage of a sub coming in to a very difficult and unfamiliar position.
Since I have no doubt you currently have a very big and confusing empire which, lets face it, only you yourself can handle at this stage of the game. No sub, regardless of who it is, will be able to handle the situation as well as you. So even if a sub is found, I don't feel any other nation in this game can be crowned winners as a result, since even if they defeat the Bandar nation, they won't have defeated the Bandar player. And any victory in these circumstances is completely pointless, hollow and meaningless. At least in my opinion.
All that said though, I am nothing more than a basic nobody in this game, so as I said above, I don't feel my vote or opinion should count for anything. But on a personal note, I'd really hate someone denied a rightful victory right at the death, and a deserved victory based on a well played and hard fought game. It's just not right that RL should intervene and ruin five months of hard work when you are just five minutes from the winning post. If you had been able to play the last two turns, you might even have managed to win by now. So I think your victory claim is just as valid now as it was two turns ago. But again this and all the above, is just my opinion, and I'm playing a nothing part in this game, so.....?
Grijalva
July 24th, 2010, 07:34 AM
I appreciate the sentiment, Calahan, very well articulated and I think you have some very good points. However, as much as I would like to accept victory, I think I should defer to Hoplosternum, since he has the most realistic chance of winning if I sub out.
@ Hoplosternum, it's up to you man, I really enjoyed this game so much that I don't particularly care about who claims the ultimate victory, I'm sure I'll get another shot at winning some game in the future. If you want, you can claim victory, or we can claim joint victory if you think thats better. But you certainly played well and deserve victory at least as much as I do.
As for everyone else: I'm truly sorry that you may have played the last two turns in vain, but I hope that you enjoyed them nonetheless. And I must once again commend my long-time adversary Graem, who fought hard to the end and then some more. Also, I noticed that you picked Bandar Log in re-vendetta, its long been my favorite nation and I'm curious to see how you play it. :)
Hoplosternum
July 24th, 2010, 03:05 PM
Down to me eh? The power, the power :) :p
Well if it is down to me I largely agree with Calahan. It's been a very enjoyable game and while I was happy to continue fighting Grijalva while others were up for the fight I don't really want to put all that effort in fighting A.N Newguy. Nor would it be very fair on them as even a position as strong as yours can decline rapidly.
I kept expecting you to put up Arcane Nexus and had my Astral Corruption ready as a counter. I was getting 100+ Blood Slaves a turn by the end but had only recently started spamming Onaqui (I haven't played Mictlan much and they don't seem that great for their price Thug/SC wise - so wasn't sure of their role), so did not yet have the huge amounts of sacred freespawn to chuck at you. But they were beginning to build up nicely :) And although I had not seen any evidence of your Blood economy I was not sure that you hadn't gone that way. My Pretender was designed to get me in to blood easily.
So congratulations to Grijalva. A worthy winner in this one.
I have certainly learned a lot from our skirmishes about what works and what doesn't - don't storm castles with conventional armies against a guy who can Master enslave for one :p And while I did not take some of the opportunities that came along in this game that might have given me a good chance of victory, it has been fun trying out the late game battle spells and SC chassis.
Calahan
July 25th, 2010, 04:15 AM
Thanks for the feedback and thoughts Grijalva and Hoplo.
@ Grijalva - It appears that the ruler of the Mictlan nation has agreed to bow to their Monkey overloads. The Priest Kings have even just asked for part roles in the next Planet of the Apes film, so they can get used to the changes to come.
So it appears your monkeys are the rulers of all man and beast. Well played again Grijalva! Well played indeed Sir.
@ Everyone Else - Is there anyone who doesn't think Bander/Grijalva is a worthy winner? And if not why not? Since the current turn is due to host in around 20 hours, so it would be good for the all players to know if there is any reason this game hasn't finished at this point right here with Hoplo's / Mictlan's above concession.
I personally can't see anyone else having a realistic claim on the win, or part claim. But then I only know the full history of the last 15 or so turns. Graphs don't indicate any though.
So please post now if anyone has any comments or objections to the game ending with a Bandar victory. If not then please post anyway to congratulate Grijalva on a well played game and deserved victory :clap:
Edit: Grijalva - It might be worth adding 24hrs to the timer in case a last minute call comes through to save the game just before the switch is thrown.
ghoul31
July 25th, 2010, 09:11 AM
Calahan can just take over Bandar Log
Grijalva
July 25th, 2010, 10:19 AM
I graciously and humbly accept ultimate rule for the One Monkey God: ooo ooo OOO! (sic). Even though he did not live to see the eventual victory for his chosen...uhhh....people.
Its my first victory in Dom3 mp and (not sure about this one) maybe a first for Bandar Log too?
Let me give a quick ARR:
I started off with a simple s9 bless and crazy good scales, s9 because its cheap but also because it would later help protect my mages/communions from those nasty first shots. And of course the pretender I eventually got easily turned the tide several times in the many back and forth wars fought by the monkeys.
The main key to this game though (more than any tactical move I made) was diplomacy, fast and aggressive diplomacy. I quickly took out Eiru with my tiger riders, (easy to mass with a cheap blessing) and secured NAP3s with all of my immediate neighbors. Two of those four early NAPs were never broken the whole game; Ctis and Machacka soon became my allies and played a vital role by keeping my backyard secure.
At that time Ermor had expanded like crazy and built an insane number of castles, talk went around of a joint war with him, but in the end only my dear ally Jarko (Machacka) joined in. I would say our combined might more or less equaled Ermor's when the war started and we slowly won battles and gained ground.
However, Ermors strategy was quite clever, IMO, ignoring research, using his grandthams to create hordes of undead horsemen and b-lining it to nether darts. Oh so many monkeys are to this day feeble-minded, jabbering fools....hmmm...sounds about right for a monkey, actually.
At one point I was getting seriously worried that Ermor would wear us down, and indeed it looked that way; he could summon a nice army of horsemen at his cap every turn. But eventually Graeme (Ermor) committed a large army to invading Machacka, which got bogged down by wrath of god and eventually became a liability (I think). That army became the predecessor of Calahan's current fiefdom. I also managed to efficiently smash his armies with solar-rays and some dust to dust spam from those indie-1D-Raptors, lucky break for me there.
Eventually things started to move quickly and, before I knew it, I had inherited Ermor's giant, castle-laden empire. I felt bad that Machacka couldn't reap the spoils as well, but had to keep moving as there was little I could do to help my ally anyway.
Then came a critical moment, Abysia sent me a message imploring me to attack Ashdod, my new neighbor, since the two were bogged down in a war far from my borders.
That got me thinking, I didn't have NAPs with either of my two new neighbors, Ashdod and Ryleh, both of whom were involved in bloody wars. The icing on the cake was that Ryleh didn't even have PD in many of his provinces. Though I new it would mean war with everyone, I had to take what I could get; I reasoned that I would never have such a chance again.
From there it was brutal warfare with Ashdod and Ryleh, accompanied by some nasty little scrapes with Mictlan. It was at this point that my pretender carried the day, easily winning several crucial battles with master enslave (for Ashdod) and arcane domination (for Ryleh [more efficient]).
Graeme put up a hell of a fight when he took over for Ryleh and even pushed me back, some very interesting thug/anti thug tactics were involved in that showdown. There were some mean fights between his reverse-communion-thugged starspawn and my white ones + celestial thugs, very cool.
Ashdod also tried like hell to push me back. He had me worried too for a minute. Indeed our battles sea-sawed a bit just by the shear mass of his forces. In the end, however, he just kept feeding me more of his Adons with lots of gear. The real problem was that his research was not up to snuff. But one piece of advice I would offer is not to accompany your SCs with so much chaff when you know a master enslave is on the way, the chaff just worked in my favor every time: they became MY chaff. Funny side note: at one point I enslaved, healed (Chalice) and GORed his Adon prophet, I went overboard on that one :)
During the whole period of the three-front war I had only one goal in mind: conquer territory faster than Mictlen could take it from me. In the end though, Mictlan and I ended up staring down the barrels of each other's guns, each waiting for the other to blink. I think we both blinked a few times and suffered for it; Mictlan managed to wipe out an army or two of mine and I killed a few of his thugs.
By the end, I felt fairly secure in eventual victory (good Artifacts, Tarts, and a least one fresh Ruhdra per turn, a mage recruited in every fort) but the task of organizing such an outcome proved herculean, especially since every single battle I had to fight relied heavily on communions and various teleporting assets. When my laptop pooped out, well...that just about settled it.
So thanks guys, that would have been a long grind (which I wished I had time for) and I'm glad we could agree on victory like true gents. I look forward to playing again with all of you. :)
Calahan
July 25th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Calahan can just take over Bandar Log
I'll pass on that thanks Ghoul. Mainly because I don't fancy upping my time investment here from 10 minutes per turn, to 10 hours per turn. Plus the game has been conceeded to Grijalva unless there is a flood of late objections.
I try to strictly sub-in only to dying or last stand positions. Strong, good postions, like the Bandar one, have no interest to me at all.
Grijalva
July 25th, 2010, 10:40 PM
Calahan can just take over Bandar Log
oops, sorry ghoul, I was so quick to start my ARR that I just started replying. I didn't notice your last post.
Anyway, we can wait a little longer to see if other people want to find a sub and continue.
Graeme Dice
July 26th, 2010, 12:21 AM
I'm good. Bandar beat me as Ermor when I made a few stratgic mistakes. I went for E4 S9, so my bless was very similar to Bandar's, and I expanded through the use of shadow vestals, principes, and later longdead horsemen. I had a great location, with huge amounts of room to expand into. Unfortunately, I got attacked before my massive investment in castles could pay off in hordes of longdead warriors. The plan was to skip most human troops, and rely almost completely on reanimated ones.
ghoul31
July 26th, 2010, 08:47 AM
If you can't find a sub, then I'm fine with ending this.
Grijalva
July 26th, 2010, 09:11 AM
Well, in the past few days no one has replied to my request, probably for the same reasons that Calahan gave. Also, it seems Mictlan has staled, no doubt because he expected the game to be finished....which I suppose it now is :)
I think I'll go ahead and send Hadrian a msg asking him to change the thread title declaring victory/declare the game finished on lamaserver. After that I'll go ahead and post in the HoF.
cheers!
Hoplosternum
July 26th, 2010, 01:04 PM
Yes I thought we were finished. My turns take a while (and not in a fun way) and why bother if its all over?
zegc-ben
July 26th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Yes we have a worthy winner, congratulation Grijalva:first::clap:.
I also want to congratulate Hoplosternum for his sportive spirit :clap:and to thank everybody for this nice time.
welltimat
July 26th, 2010, 05:09 PM
I do not agree with crowning Bandar Log as a winner.
I do not agree with crowning Mictlan as a winner as well.
Given the choice i would continue.
Bandar Log needs a sub. Very experienced sub.
Lets delay the game until he finds one.
welltimat
July 26th, 2010, 05:14 PM
And one more thing. I do not really understand WHY would anyone "declare" a winner in such situation when ooh-so-best-and-mighty-winner Bandar control LESS THAN 25% of the map and at least 7 other players still play. Some games start with less people!
welltimat
July 26th, 2010, 05:19 PM
As for "you are the best, everyone who would replace you would be worse". Dominions is by a large chunk is a game of diplomacy and highly based on luck, initial placement, neighbors etc. If Bandar/Machaka/Ctis had an alliance since almost the beginning, no wonder they got to there they got.
Hoplosternum
July 26th, 2010, 07:26 PM
Welltimat - I wasn't blind to the threat you were likely to pose, especially as the main Blood Sacrificer (with Vanheim being fairly weak at this point). Which was why I checked our NAP was over. Just in case.
But I think you overestimate your chances. I don't think you have no chance. I can see the potential strategy. I just think it would be very very hard to pull off from here.
The trouble for you is that you only have Blood Hunters from your Capital and I already have 2 Demon Lords, 2 Ice Devils and an Arch Devil so you are not even going to clear up the Blood Uniques. (I could also summon one of the remaining each turn if I wished) Crucially I can summon Blood Hunters with slaves including ones that spam sacred bats. You can't. You may have some indie blood hunters, but apart from Blood sacrificing what can you do with the slaves? Blood has some great SC killer spells but does not help you so much against regular armies and mages. I can summon more and better Bloods than you and ultimately out blood hunt you. Plus my Fire Bless makes horrors or even the better Blood troop summons fairly easy for me to kill. And I have plenty of Life for a Lifer casters and the two banishment spells casters. I also have life for a life casting assassins. On current income I could summon 4 of those a turn. And as they make great Blood Hunters themselves I could ramp up my Blood economy easily. Unless you have been very lucky with blood indies I can always increase blood hunters faster than you.
I can put Burden of Time up every other turn with my current Death income - every turn with alchemy. That would keep down your numbers of mages as only the Demonbred are not old or borderline old. Sure you will have some boots for the better warlocks but what will save the rest and all your fire mages? How will you research? Or Blood sacrifice for long? Even if you dispel it each time I put it up it still effects for one turn. My mages are sadly rubbish, I can stand their loss as my Coatls, SCs and Demon summons will not be badly affected. And my research is complete.
Your plan relies on us all leaving you alone for many turns. You are way behind on research and you will need a lot of internal strength to resist raiding once you start your dom push. Probably a lot more forts to protect your temples from raiders. You'll need many many turns worth of blood slaves in the bank before you begin.
But if you don't join the war then we will know you are either in alliance with Bandar or building up for your own win attempt. I, Ashdod or R'leyh could all have offered a peace/alliance/joint win with Bandar at any point. I suspect if any significant power joins Bandar the game is won. Which is one reason I'd rather just give the game to him now. Otherwise he simply chooses who comes joint first and when.
Of course that person may have been you! And I am sorry if that was your hope and the potential ending of the game kills that hope. But I suspect that we (R'leyh, Ashdod & I) would all make better progress against you than Bandar so you would find yourself under severe pressure very quickly. Why fight Bandar when I can fight you? Bandar can't safely expand quickly against all three of us while we would batter you - at least initially - to see if you could take it. You have all those lovely territories now. I always had dozens of mages and hundreds if not thousands of troops close to your border and many uncommitted SCs. One thing is for sure we wouldn't just have gone on fighting while you stood behind us building up.
You putting up Arcane Nexus gets you piled on very quickly. And the AN/Astral corruption combo, even if not taken down, is not that deadly to me.
The problem is that all the scenarios would take many many turns to play out. We were already strategically stalemating and I think either Bandar gets the better of us or chooses one of us to join him in victory. He really wasn't losing to the three of us before he started to stale. The game has been fun but I have certainly begun to be burned out by the long turns with no real end in sight. Bandar seems to be in the same position. I can see you have a slight chance of victory. We all still do, especially if we all take down Bandar. But this would all take a long, long time. And after Bandar goes it probably won't leave a clear winner. If I thought you had a decent shot of victory I would hang in there but I think your chances are slim at best. And it will take a long long time to find out.
I wish there was some better way to end these big games. Sometimes the winner is clear but in a lot it seems the end game can be longer than is welcome.
Hadrian_II
July 28th, 2010, 12:42 PM
is bandar now officially the winner, or has he to fight aby first?
Grijalva
July 29th, 2010, 01:17 AM
As for "you are the best, everyone who would replace you would be worse". Dominions is by a large chunk is a game of diplomacy and highly based on luck, initial placement, neighbors etc. If Bandar/Machaka/Ctis had an alliance since almost the beginning, no wonder they got to there they got.
Please don't try to steal my thunder by saying that this "alliance" was what brought me victory. The "alliance" was really just two NAP3s and one (yes one) joint war waged by me and Machacka. If the "alliance" was so important, then how come Machacka and Ctis couldn't benefit like I did?
Besides, trying to trivialize why I was successful (luck, placement etc) is immature and won't change the facts as they stand.
In fact, welltimat, you've had an "alliance" (NAP3) with Mictlan for a long time and it didn't get you anywhere...well, maybe it kept Mictlan from destroying you :) You even used an "alliance" with Vanheim to help you destroy Ctis...you just made your move too late I would say.
I know how you feel though, its endgame and you're just started to wage your successful little war, thinking "OMG, I'm doing so well in this war, it can't be over!" Well, it is, and it wouldn't be fun for you if you tried to take on Mictlan.
Hoplosternum was being perhaps a bit too kind when he said you even have a chance against Mictlan. As he said, he's already out-blooded you, and blood-summons are (aside from tarts) is pretty much MA Abysia's only endgame.
I, for example, could have dropped Rudras-scs all over your turf and then had them merrily fly around raiding, whilst summoning new ones each turn. When you see the mechanics of it, you realize that is would just be a perpetual war of attrition. One that Abysia, even in late game, lacks the mobility for.
Remember too, that I had already been at war with Mictlan, Ryleh and Ashdod (three game leaders) for many turns and had steadily gained income, provinces and gems during that period. Although they all gave me a really hard time :)
Im going to go ahead and say that this ship has sailed. I do appreciate everyones' good sportsmanship in agreeing on that though, as its not always easy. :)
ghoul31
July 29th, 2010, 01:49 AM
Yes we were losing ground. But if Abyssia joined in, we might have been able to turn things around.
And you haven't won anything.All you did is quit the game and ruin it for everyone. That makes you a loser, not a winner. Half the games I'm in have been ruined by people quitting in he middle of the game.
It takes a lot of nerve to ruin the game, then come here and brag about how great you are.
Grijalva
July 29th, 2010, 02:27 AM
I think we should declare Bandar Log the winner in this game
I didn't say I was great, I never said that it was 100% guaranteed that I would win. I'm just saying that it was very likely to be either me or Mictlan, and good luck finding a game where people play to the last province for complete world domination. I'm not bragging, but I won't let someone sit there and tell me that all of my hard work and strategizing didn't matter because it was "luck" or an "alliance" that won me the game.
The "MIDDLE" of the game? Are you serious? This is the "end" of the game my friend.
If you remember ghoul, I was quite happy to concede the game to Mictlan, or if he didn't think he could win, someone else, so don't go calling me names. Anyway, I made it clear that the term winner, or loser really means nothing to me, I had fun.
Gosh, I was so pleased with how polite, gracious and sporting everyone had been until now. More so than victory it felt good that we could all agree that we played hard and fought well. I'm sorry that I couldn't play on forever in a never-ending multi-front war, and if you really think I've ruined the game, I'm sorry you feel that way.
Go ahead and take a look at how most games with this setup end.
welltimat
July 29th, 2010, 07:59 AM
As for "you are the best, everyone who would replace you would be worse". Dominions is by a large chunk is a game of diplomacy and highly based on luck, initial placement, neighbors etc. If Bandar/Machaka/Ctis had an alliance since almost the beginning, no wonder they got to there they got.
Please don't try to steal my thunder by saying that this "alliance" was what brought me victory. The "alliance" was really just two NAP3s and one (yes one) joint war waged by me and Machacka. If the "alliance" was so important, then how come Machacka and Ctis couldn't benefit like I did?
Besides, trying to trivialize why I was successful (luck, placement etc) is immature and won't change the facts as they stand.
Dear Grijalva. I am not trying to trivialize. The current position is your skill by more than a half. However, the rest of the player are not helpless stupid noobs as well. The factors that i mentioned are quite important. Its kind of obvious. Given another map positions there could be completely different results.
My initial reply was actually to Ermor player, who said that there could not be so great leader and skilled player who could continue playing Bandar Log instead of you without drop in effectiveness. He was wrong. There could be.
Notice, i agree that your current position is the best (and that you have got to it using excellent strategies and skills).
BUT. I do not agree that you have won this game. Period. And i don't really care what others think about it. You control 25% of the land and even less percentage in other areas. That is obviously not enough to claim a victory. You can declare yourself winner, that would be only your problem as you could also declare yourself winner on turn 1.
I know how you feel though, its endgame and you're just started to wage your successful little war, thinking "OMG, I'm doing so well in this war, it can't be over!" Well, it is, and it wouldn't be fun for you if you tried to take on Mictlan.
Dear Grijalva. Thank you for telling me how i am thinking. I do not overestimate my position. I am at best #4. For almost entire game my position was so low that i played stricly for fun. And yes, i had fun and gained a lot from this game. For me, this game was hilarious.
I, for example, could have dropped Rudras-scs all over your turf and then had them merrily fly around raiding, whilst summoning new ones each turn. When you see the mechanics of it, you realize that is would just be a perpetual war of attrition. One that Abysia, even in late game, lacks the mobility for.
Yes, you can do this. My chances against you 1 vs 1 are low. However, that will help other nations to throw down your tyranny faster.
Remember too, that I had already been at war with Mictlan, Ryleh and Ashdod (three game leaders) for many turns and had steadily gained income, provinces and gems during that period. Although they all gave me a really hard time :)
I remember that. You are very tough opponent.
Im going to go ahead and say that this ship has sailed. I do appreciate everyones' good sportsmanship in agreeing on that though, as its not always easy. :)
As i already mentioned above, you can say whatever you want.
Grijalva
July 29th, 2010, 09:28 AM
Thanks for clearing that up welltimat, you are indeed entitled to your position. But I never declared myself winner at all, it was the majority opinion as I read it. And yes, I do think that being game leader by far in every respect (in the endgame) is a good reason to claim victory, but, again, I only accepted that position...never claimed it.
This whole endeavor has left a sour taste in my mouth. I don't care who is declared winner and never did. Of course I tried to win and was happy to accept that position when people thought it was right.
Welltimat, if you felt so strongly about this, why didn't you say something two turns ago? You waited until I had another stale or two and started complaining?
I propose to just put it to a vote: if you want find a sub after four stales in a row for Bandar and continue playing, say so. Or whatever; the game's a draw, Mictlan's the winner, I'm the winner, Abysias the winner, etc..vote for whatever you each think is the right outcome for this game...I'll abstain.
Graeme Dice
July 29th, 2010, 11:34 AM
Well, if we are going to keep playing, then I`m going to declare peace with Bandar Log, and start attacking Abysia. Grijalva has been a much more effective diplomat than Welltimat
Hoplosternum
July 29th, 2010, 03:33 PM
Well, if we are going to keep playing, then I`m going to declare peace with Bandar Log, and start attacking Abysia. Grijalva has been a much more effective diplomat than Welltimat
Me too :) And I propose a three way pact to knock some sense into the players who want to continue :p
Look I do understand what Welltimat is saying. But I don't think every game has to be dragged out every time. It will take scores of hours for each one of the main players to carry this on in a war of attrition with Bandar. Which may not succeed and even if it does only proves that huge numbers (in gems/armies/mages/provinces) can overwhelm good play. Hmmm.
I don't think anyone is saying Bandar is unbeatable at this point. Just that the only likely single winner is Bandar within the next dozen or so turns. But we may have prevailed, especially if you and Vanheim help. Then the game would last many many turns beating him. Then dozens more as the victors would then have to fight each other. That is a huge investment.
And we are likely to get a less worthy winner at the end. Bandar has played a good game and there is no shame in losing to an alliance of all other main powers attacking him at once. No one else will be able to say the same. Simply that they played a part and got lucky or simply out lasted the rest.
I wish there was a different way to determine victory that people agreed on. Does everygame has to be played to the bitter bitter end as Welltimat seems to suggest here? Then it becomes a war of attrition both in game and with Dom 3 fatigue in real life. I especially don't like permanent subs in such situations. At least then when someone leaves they (and their power) should go :)
welltimat
July 29th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Thats an interesting way of stopping the game. Alliance of players who dont want to play vs rest.
I guess if 3 top players don't want to continue you cant force them to. Now you can kiss each other and babble how great and unbeatable you were.
Next time should just do it at turn 2. Less time wasted.
Graeme Dice
July 29th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Diplomacy is the key to winning large dominions games. If your idea of diplomacy is to insult the leading players to the point where they get fed up with you and decide to play kingmaker for somebody else, then you're not going to win many games.
welltimat
July 29th, 2010, 04:28 PM
Considering you already quit the game and 'nominated' 'the winner' thats not a 'game diplomacy'. I don't quite understand where you've seen insults coming from me.
Basically, you don't want to play, and i can not do anything about it. But from my PoV that situation looks like "oh, i am powerful and unbeatable, and you are powerful and unbeatable, we won the game". whatever.
welltimat
July 29th, 2010, 05:06 PM
To Hoplosternum:
I have never proposed to fight "to the bitter end". Establishing 100% world control would take too long - it can be decided way earlier. Lets say 50 or even 40 percent of the world control would be sufficient, usually after this everyone agrees. There could be other things going in the world except for the war with Bandar Log. After all there were still 7 players, with their own plans and strategies. Thats what annoys me most.
Graeme Dice
July 29th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Considering you already quit the game and 'nominated' 'the winner' thats not a 'game diplomacy'.
Convincing your opponents that you've defeated them is indeed part of diplomacy.
Basically, you don't want to play, and i can not do anything about it. But from my PoV that situation looks like "oh, i am powerful and unbeatable, and you are powerful and unbeatable, we won the game". whatever.
Are you claiming that you can beat off Mictlan, R'Lyeh and Bandar Log if we stop attacking each other and start attacking you? I'm sure we can manage to funnel enough gems to Bandar that his Rudras are going to be quite scary, enough astral pearls to get an essentially undispellable arcane nexus, and combine enough death gems to keep burden of time up every turn. We should be able to get forge of the ancients up as well.
welltimat
July 29th, 2010, 05:19 PM
Ok, i give up. Thats a stupid discussion. What i can and what i can not do should not be proved on forums, but rather played in game. Lets consider that traitorous leaders of R'Lyeh and Mictlan banished their pretenders and succumbed to Bandar Log who archieved world domination shortly after.
Hadrian_II
July 29th, 2010, 08:03 PM
It can happen that a game ends without a player being beaten before. (Usually happens to the last water nation sitting in the pond) But it only happens if that nation was turtling to long, so if you are more active in the next game, you might notice that it will be a much better experience. :)
Calahan
August 2nd, 2010, 05:47 AM
Does someone with the admin codes want to do the honourable thing and officially end this game on the llamasever to stop it sending any more turns out.
And @ Grijalva - You should certainly post this game as a win if you wish, as two of your main peers have said you deserve the win. And you certainly shouldn't listen to the bitter turtles who think they have some right of veto over your deserved, justified, and well earnt win.
Hadrian_II
August 2nd, 2010, 06:01 AM
done
ghoul31
August 2nd, 2010, 07:54 AM
Does someone with the admin codes want to do the honourable thing and officially end this game on the llamasever to stop it sending any more turns out.
And @ Grijalva - You should certainly post this game as a win if you wish, as two of your main peers have said you deserve the win. And you certainly shouldn't listen to the bitter turtles who think they have some right of veto over your deserved, justified, and well earnt win.
I really don't think someone who quits a game right in the middle should ever get a win. Especially since 2 of the 4 main opponents don't think the game is over. If tiger woods quit after 2 rounds at the US open, they wouldn't give him the win.
You said yourself that you were just a bit player in this game, so you shouldn't be able to give an opinion. But of course you had to give one anyways.
Calahan, I know you like to start trouble and call people names, but give it a rest already.
Grijalva
August 3rd, 2010, 02:10 AM
thanks everyone, it was fun playing with all of you, especially those who were so sporting about the end. :)
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