Ice Crafter Equipped with Dwarven Hammer

[Mysterio]

I was wondering...does an Ice Crafter, with his inherent 25% Forge Bonus, benefit from the additional 25% Forge Bonus provided by a Dwarven Hammer?

[Luckmann]

I'm not sure, but most things in the game appear to stack, so I'd be surprised if it didn't.

[Graeme Dice]

Yes, just like every other unit with an inherent forge bonus.

[Redeyes]

The total bonus becomes 50%, rounded down - a 5-gem item would cost 2 gems to make, and something that costs 25 a, 15 b would cost 12 a, 7 b.
Setting up efficient crafters is often key in multiplayer games ;)

[sansanjuan]

Yes, just like every other unit with an inherent forge bonus.

...and if you have forge of the ancients up ...
Ssj

[Redeyes]

Yes, just like every other unit with an inherent forge bonus.

...and if you have forge of the ancients up ...
Ssj

You can get the bonus to -80%, which is the cap :)

Note that similar bonuses from sites don't stack with each other, even if you have them in the same province, only the strongest bonus will have an effect.

[Mysterio]

Note that similar bonuses from sites don't stack with each other, even if you have them in the same province, only the strongest bonus will have an effect.

So, if I have an Ice Crafter (25% Forge Bonus) equipped with a Dwarven Hammer (25% FB) forging in a province with The Steel Ovens (20% FB), what would be the total FB? 50% or 70%?

[Stavis_L]

Note that similar bonuses from sites don't stack with each other, even if you have them in the same province, only the strongest bonus will have an effect.

So, if I have an Ice Crafter (25% Forge Bonus) equipped with a Dwarven Hammer (25% FB) forging in a province with The Steel Ovens (20% FB), what would be the total FB? 50% or 70%?

70%.

He's saying that if you have both the Steel Ovens + Banefire Forge (each 20%) you don't get 40%.

[Redeyes]

Note that similar bonuses from sites don't stack with each other, even if you have them in the same province, only the strongest bonus will have an effect.

So, if I have an Ice Crafter (25% Forge Bonus) equipped with a Dwarven Hammer (25% FB) forging in a province with The Steel Ovens (20% FB), what would be the total FB? 50% or 70%?

It would be 70%.

The problem is when you have something like the bottomless site (20%) + ultimate gateway (50%) for conjuration, then only one site (the better one) gives the discount. I use this example because it's a combination I have seen more than once...
Oh, and I realized that the cap isn't quite 80%, it's 1 per pathlevel to craft the item (ergo, 80% for all low level items).

Edit: Ninjas, here?

[thejeff]

I could be wrong, haven't checked this in awhile, but I don't think it's that simple.

The personal bonus and the item bonus stack directly. He'll be at 50% anywhere. I think that sites or the Forge apply their discount to the remaining cost, which would put him around 60% with the ovens, depending on rounding.

There are several long threads on this topic, if you can find them.

[Zeldor]

100% forge bonus [4 armed pretender with 2 unique 50% discount hammers] is 80% bonus, checked on big items like RoW. You can get more than 80% if you have Forge or magic site on top of huge forge bonus afaik.

[Redeyes]

100% forge bonus [4 armed pretender with 2 unique 50% discount hammers] is 80% bonus, checked on big items like RoW. You can get more than 80% if you have Forge or magic site on top of huge forge bonus afaik.

The lowest possible cost is 1 per magic level required to make the item, so that's the actual cap - it just works out to 80% for all items with a cost up to 15gems.

[chrispedersen]

No, you can make items with 0 cost.

[Baneslave]

No, you can make items with 0 cost.

My tests state otherwise. I tested this with a commander having natural 90% bonus plus dwarwen hammer.

[Wrana]

No, you can make items with 0 cost.

My tests state otherwise. I tested this with a commander having natural 90% bonus plus dwarwen hammer.

This probably depends on game version. Previously (about a year ago) I made 5-gem items for free with less bonus. It may be possible, though, that for such tricks, the Forge IS required. Try with it.

[Calchet]

A commander with a natural 100% bonus needs to pay 1 gem, at least - there's one in my little fate/sprite works mod - though again, site or global bonuses might let it go lower, I dunno.

[MaxWilson]

Yes, just like every other unit with an inherent forge bonus.

...and if you have forge of the ancients up ...
Ssj

You can get the bonus to -80%, which is the cap :)

There is no such cap with Forge of the Ancients. It is quite possible to forge 5-gem items for free when you stack FotA, Dwarven Hammer, Steel Ovens, and an inherent forge bonus.

-Max