MA Vendetta [game on!]

[legolasjrt]

Vendetta Game :

Middle Age

Settings will be default except
Magic site 50
Hosting: 24 hours for the first 30 turns.

CBM 1.6 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=710178
Endgame Diversity Mod http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45056
Map: Cradle of Dominions.

Victory Conditions. 50%+1 capitals

I look for around 11 or 12 nations

Send pretenders to llamaserver.

Game : Vendetta

Legolasjrt / Pangea
Juffos / R'lyeh
BaalZ / C'tis
Graeme Dice / Marignon
Greyjoy / Pythium
CoyoteTheClever / Ulm
Grijalva / Ashod
NooBliss / Machaka
ghoul31 / Arco
Dark Kitty / Caelum
Stagger Lee / Shinuyama
Quitti / Abysia

[Juffos]

I would like to join as R'lyeh.

If water nations are banned, Jotunheim.

[Baalz]

I'll take C'tis

[Graeme Dice]

I'll play Marignon.

[Greyjoy]

...How on earth is MA C'tis, of all nations, already taken?

Sign me up for Pythium.

[CoyoteTheClever]

I'll be Ulm.

[Grijalva]

Ashod please, always wanted to try them

[NooBliss]

Machaka please.

[legolasjrt]

we go determined to add new mod

Endgame Diversity Mod

http://www.llamaserver.net/diversityPreview.gif

[ghoul31]

Arco

[Greyjoy]

Curses! There goes my entire strategy.

More seriously, cool stuff. I haven't looked at the mod closely (that's gonna change) but it sounds like a good concept and some of the added models are cute.

[Dark Kitty]

I would like to join as Caelum

[Stagger Lee]

Shinuyama, please.

[Quitti]

I'll take Abysia if there's still room.

[Greyjoy]

...Was it ever mentioned what server and port?

[Dark Kitty]

It is probably a PBEM game on Llamaserver.net

EDIT : yes, it is already open : http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Vendetta

[legolasjrt]

sorry.. is llamaserver.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Vendetta

[Greyjoy]

Right. This is me being smart and knowledgeable.

[Stagger Lee]

We're missing Pan, Aby, & Machaka. Who's R'lyeh?

Edit: Legolas, maybe you should manual start when you're sure the lineup is what we think it is.

[legolasjrt]

Pan is me. i Send last.

[Stagger Lee]

I see Jotunheim is gone now. Does that mean Juffos is R'lyeh? There is room for one UW nation, and I don't see that they are banned.

[legolasjrt]

this map have 11 start land and 1 start in water.

[Dark Kitty]

Just in case Juffos prefers Jotunheim after all : 12 land starts also works (I tested it yesterday)

[NooBliss]

I'll send mine tomorrow. Just returned from a WE trip. :)

[legolasjrt]

Abysia. Wait for you.

[Stagger Lee]

legolasjrt, if Juffos is playing R'lyeh, can you edit the OP to reflect that? Thanks :)

[legolasjrt]

yeah. sorry . Juffos is playing R'lyeh,

[legolasjrt]

The game to initiate. luck

[Greyjoy]

Hm. The newest version of Endgame Diversity doesn't seem to be the one used. (At least it didn't incorporate any pretender changes, heh.)

How would I go about snagging the version needed? Neither of the ones available through http://www.llamaserver.net/mapModBrowser.cgi appears to work.

[Dark Kitty]

They work if you copy or move diversity.dm to diversity_base.dm in your "mods" directory, but problems may appear if players send orders with different versions of this mod (can it even be hosted?).

EDIT : in fact, I'm not sure llamaserver can host if we use a different version than it does. Does it use the "basic" version of the mod or Fastbitz3's?

[Greyjoy]

I'm always a bit leery of the "rename a file so the system doesn't notice" solution, but glad to know it sorta-works.

[Quitti]

Indeed, which version should we copy+rename, the original or 1.03?

[Stagger Lee]

I renamed version 0.09. It works, but if that's wrong let's all do this the same way. ;)

[NooBliss]

I dont even have version 0.9, and version 1.03 works too.

Please attach required mod to this thread, least we get some nasty bugs.

[legolasjrt]

i attach mod to first post.


it excuses by all the incovenientes.

[Grijalva]

yeah, I just renamed the mod file to what dom3 error message was asking for...I think it was endgame_base.dm or something like that

[Quitti]

The first post attachment doesn't have .dm file included, so it doesn't work. Which version are we using to play this game? I presume the newest (1.03) since it was out before the game started. It doesn't make difference now but it does when we're at the phase of the game when we're summoning those monsters since they have different stats and costs and path requirements in differing versions.

[Stagger Lee]

When I get home I will upgrade to 1.03 and rename that. I don't see 1.03 on llamaserver, though. If the game was created with 0.9, we should probably all be using that.

[legolasjrt]

re-attach mod in first post.

[Graeme Dice]

The question isn't which thread you got the mod from. It's which mod did you select on Llamaserver when you created the game? Because that's the one that we need to have.

[legolasjrt]

In my file dm mod say:
#modname "Endgame Diversity Mod"
#version 0.9
#description "Adds a range of powerful summons, to increase the diversity of the endgame."
#domversion 3.21
#icon "diversity/diversityBanner.tga"

And workt fine.

[Stagger Lee]

In my file dm mod say:
#modname "Endgame Diversity Mod"
#version 0.9
#description "Adds a range of powerful summons, to increase the diversity of the endgame."
#domversion 3.21
#icon "diversity/diversityBanner.tga"

And workt fine.

Then I should be OK. Anyone with version 1.03 should probably get 0.9 and rename and use that.

I think. :rolleyes:

[Stagger Lee]

Less than three hrs to go on a long first turn and no C'tis? Did Baalz request an extension? I'd hate to see a turn 1 stale. ;)

[Quitti]

I'll be gone until sunday evening - I've done my current turn but could we postpone the next one until monday?

[legolasjrt]

Sure!

[Greyjoy]

Boom, error turn.

[Stagger Lee]

Boom, error turn.

I got an email (actually, I assume we all did, so ignore me if you like) from llamabeast. He said the game is not lost, just temporarily out of reach. He's working on it. Thanks llama!

[Stagger Lee]

Legolas, pm or email llamabeast for the password. But I ask that you keep it at 48hr quickhost for next turn (this one is in) as I will be away for the weekend. Thanks.

[Juffos]

Brace for drama, for there will be some soon.

I must have a rollback. My PM to the admin clearly said the game must be postponed until 20th of this month, but there weren't any postponements.

Let me submit my missing turn file and force host after that and the game will proceed in full and complete order.

Thank you.

[Stagger Lee]

Brace for drama, for there will be some soon.

I must have a rollback. My PM to the admin clearly said the game must be postponed until 20th of this month, but there weren't any postponements.

Let me submit my missing turn file and force host after that and the game will proceed in full and complete order.

Thank you.

I'm not sure added drama is necessary, we have plenty of that built-in. ;)

Seriously, though, I don't believe you staled. R'lyeh only staled turns 2 and 3 according to the log, but that's wrong. It says we all staled those turns. There has been some issue at llamaserver this week.

Which turn do you think you staled?

[legolasjrt]

i send mail to llama for sendme to new pass..

I still wait for answer.

[Juffos]

Oh, it seems like the game didn't host meanwhile I was gone, so I didn't stale any turns.

My apologies. I was in hurry.

[legolasjrt]

Good. From now can you send turns, or do you need a substitute?

[Corwin]

Juffos has asked me to sub for him in your game while he is away, I have agreed (I've just sent him PM confirming it few minutes ago). I don't have his nation's info yet. Once I will have it I should be able to submit turn for his nation quckly.

[Juffos]

But please do not, my hotel has wireless connection and a laptop for guests to use. I can do turns with my USB stick dom3 installation.

Thank you anyway.

[Quitti]

I have submitted my turn for this host, but I might need a +12h extension for the next turn (turn 10), as it is midsummer festival time here and I'll be gone for at least late saturday evening.

[CoyoteTheClever]

Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town from this Thursday till Monday evening because I have a wedding out of town that I have to go to. I dunno what is the standard procedure here, I wasn't expecting to be gone that long. :(

[Stagger Lee]

I'd say post ASAP for a sub for a couple of turns. If you get no takers, then at least you tried. :)

Maybe I could ask on irc for you. Or better yet, check irc yourself. The thug thing is way overblown.

[legolasjrt]

you can find a substitute?

[chrispedersen]

I have been asked by stagger lee to substitute for 2-3 turns, which I am happy to do as a favor for the players.

I am emailing the admin my email address - I'd ask him to send me a turn and bear with me a bit as I try to figure the nation, position out.

Also - if people would email me the statuses of alliances etc that would be good =)

[Stagger Lee]

Thanks Chris. Just to be clear, though, I was asking on behalf of Coyote/Ulm. I will be around this weekend.

Coyote - sorry if I jumped the gun on you, but if you need a sub you won't be sorry to have chris mind your minions for a few days.

[CoyoteTheClever]

Yeah, I sent him a message before I left, thank you also for getting me one! Anyways, I'm back now.

[Graeme Dice]

It looks like the victory condition is actually set to two capitals, is this right?

[Stagger Lee]

It looks like the victory condition is actually set to two capitals, is this right?

Discussing it on irc right now, Graeme.:(



OK, it seems this game may be over very soon. If Ashdod takes Pan's cap, that's 2 and game over. Opinions?

[chrispedersen]

Ok.. someone needs to send the turn to the original player. I still got it.

[NooBliss]

Eh... and there's absolutely no way to fix victory conditions now? Game over?

[Baalz]

If so lets just call the game over, I don't really see any point in mustering time for a vestigial game.

[NooBliss]

That's a good idea, regrettably. But maybe Llama could ninja-edit the file somehow? Surely these victory conditions must be stored somewhere.

[ano]

I ran into this once as well (and the game died as well as yours is gonna die) and PM'ed llamabeast about inconvenient victory condition choosing but he didn't seem to react. The problem is when you set both "VPs in capitals" and "no VP victory" during game creation it actually sets victory condition to 2 VP.

[ano]

Surely these victory conditions must be stored somewhere.
They are. In the "fatherland" game file :)

[NooBliss]

Indeed. :)

Ok, so I was able to change it in a hotseat game I just created. (Skipping the details about how I did it, so nobody gets funny ideas about editing turn files, hehe).

I can explain it in PM in case LLama or somebody else is willing to fix the game. Or I can do it myself if they send me the file via email.

[Stagger Lee]

Legolas, are you still watching this? If there is a chance to continue why not try? And if we do continue, Ulm needs to be reset to the original player. Thanks.

[chrispedersen]

Why not create a new fatherland file (with correct vp conditions) and distribute it to all the players?

[NooBliss]

Create new fatherland file? Wouldnt that mean restarting the whole game?

I think I can simply modify current file so we can keep playing as if nothing happened in the first place.

[Dimaz]

chris, fatherland file is needed only by server. It shouldn't be distributed to players.

[chrispedersen]

s'ok. Noobis is on the right track I think.

[Grijalva]

Talk about an easy win, I guess this one won't be going in the HOF. :)

Seriously though, if we can continue than I'm for it, but I could go either way.

[NooBliss]

I PM'ed LLama, but he didnt answer. :( Seriosuly though, it's quite easy to fix.

[chrispedersen]

to make matters worse.. the admin has not turned ulm back to the original owner.. and it looks like the game is going to host...

[chrispedersen]

If the game doesn't continue, I'd invite you all to look at the Traitors! thread.

[Stagger Lee]

I've got no problem letting Noobliss try whatever he has in mind, but I don't think it matters anymore. Two stales last turn, one because the player probably figures the game is over, and the other because Ulm has not been given back to CoyotetheClever.

I think if anyone is interested in restarting this game, we ought to talk about it here. I vote to abandon and restart. Hopefully with all the original players.

And to legolasjrt, this sounds like a mistake I could have made easily enough. Just about everybody on irc has a war story of this happening. What do you think about restarting?

[ghoul31]

we can just roll back a turn if we have to. We don't need to restart

[Stagger Lee]

we can just roll back a turn if we have to. We don't need to restart

The stales aren't the real problem, the fact that the game will end as soon as anybody takes anybody else's cap is the problem. And that can't be fixed by a rollback.

[NooBliss]

It can be fixed by changing one byte from 02 to, say, 06.

Stales won't be fixed though; I believe we've gone beyound the point of no return, so screw this game. A pity, of course.

[Juffos]

I also didn't submit my turn because I thought the game was going to be restarted.

Make up your minds, already, please.

[Quitti]

This game could as well declared to be over, and a new one started. I'll have to see if I'll join it though...

[CoyoteTheClever]

I'll be happy to rejoin if you remake. But yeah, I think the game as it stands is kinda over.

[Stagger Lee]

Legolas has given me the game password. Coyote, pm me your email if you want to try to take a turn or two before this shuts down.

Grijalva, are you storming Pan this turn? I guess I'd like to see the mechanic when a game shuts itself down, but I'm not really attached to the idea. I'm still doing my turns because I don't know for sure what will happen, and I've had terrific luck with sites and so hoping a solution can be found.

What do you guys think?

[CoyoteTheClever]

Its [address removed].

I'll play to the end, but I do think we'll need a restart :p

[NooBliss]

I say, it's over.

[Grijalva]

sorry for the late re:

yeah I'm storming Pangaea this turn, I would agree to finishing the game or whatever people want to do. I might try to rejoin as Bandar Log though (if I can, or a different nation) since Ashdod isn't much fun to play.

[Grijalva]

Well, as you all can see I have failed to successfully storm Pan's fort this turn; too much chaff dying caused my heavies to autorout :doh:.

I don't know what the status of the game is then, are we all just waiting for me to finish off Pan and thus end the game? If so it may be another turn or two...

[Stagger Lee]

Well, as you all can see I have failed to successfully storm Pan's fort this turn; too much chaff dying caused my heavies to autorout :doh:.

I don't know what the status of the game is then, are we all just waiting for me to finish off Pan and thus end the game? If so it may be another turn or two...

I really don't care anymore, and since I'm the only one who put in a turn last time, I'll give it 12 hrs to hear opposing arguments, and then shut down the game. I found the Tower of the Silver Order on turn 11 and Castle Arcanum on turn 15. I wish there had been some way to put those to work for me.

If 50% of the original players want to restart with the same conditions, I will start a new thread and put a game up with reserved spots. Respond here in the next two days if you are interested.

[Grijalva]

I'm totally in favor of shutting it down, don't like non-wrap maps anyway... :)

[NooBliss]

Yes, restart it of course.

[Greyjoy]

Not really feeling the Pythium. I'll bow out, but I'm sure you can find someone to fill the slot.

[Dark Kitty]

I'm in for a new game too

[ghoul31]

i'll join a new game

[Stagger Lee]

OK, Vendetta is gone. Grijalva & Greyjoy, same settings does not have to mean same nation, and I wouldn't want to lock into a map before we know how many of us there are. I will wait until tomorrow, to see if more of our original lineup is interested. I think we may have a game yet...

[Stagger Lee]

Looks like GraemeDice has opened a restart of the game called Re-Vendetta. I'm taking a walk over there right now to sign up.