Gluttony - LA Game - Running

[Bonfire]

Gluttony

Late Ages
New to intermediate players welcome
Mods: CBM 1.6 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43949)
Map: Cradle of Dominion
Special Site Frequency: 55
Supply Multiple: 300
Hall of Fame Entries: 15
Renaming Allowed
All other settings standard

Ermor is banned
Diplomacy is non-binding

Hosting will be llamaserver
Looking for 10-14 players

1. C'tis - Bonfire (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=44082)
2. Midgard - Hadrian_II (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=8228) (formerly legolasjrt (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=38365))
3. Jomon - don_Pablo (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=36313)
4. R'lyeh - Finalgenesis (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=42384)
5. Bogarus - WaterHazard (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=36683)
6. Atlantis - Otherling (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=10323)
7. Marignon - 13lackguard (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=34557) (formerly Lann5555 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=44176))
8. Man - earcaraxe (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=37030)
9. Pangaea - minko (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//private.php?do=newpm&u=43747)
10. Agartha - sansanjuan (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=9703)
11. Ulm - Greyjoy (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=40848) - Lost in the Void
12. Patala - Nauquan (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=10058)
13. Mictlan - Cosmonaut - Died honorably refusing to sacrifice his own people to sate the awakening God's bloodlust.
14. Pythium - XuanZue (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=10124)

[legolasjrt]

LA Midgard for me plz

[don_Pablo]

Jomon, plz

[Finalgenesis]

R'yleth please, let the madness begin

[WaterHazard]

I'd like to join as Bogarus, please.

[Otherling]

I think I've played two games of Dom3, and that was nearly two years ago. So I think I qualify as inexperienced, if not exactly new.

If you'll have me, I'd love to give it a go. Put me down for Atlantis, if so.

[Lann5555]

I have been playing Dom3 SP for a while now and am looking for my first multiplayer game. I might not be very good, but I'm an experienced gamer overall and am generally reliable and well-mannered. If I can join this game I'd like to play Marignon

Lann

[earcaraxe]

I'd like to join as the god of the people who got revenged with the curse but still can sing about it (man).

update: they cant sing now :S

[minko]

id like to join as pangaea please

[earcaraxe]

perhaps we could use endgame diversity mod as well, to avoid the situation where everybody is playing for tartarians and one of the main deciding factors is who has more nature gems for GOR and who has the chalice or gift of health to cure them from feeblemindedness.

[sansanjuan]

I'll give Agartha a twirl
ssj

[Greyjoy]

C'tis and Atlantis are taken, sad.

I'll play Ulm, then. Ve vant to suck your blood.

[Nauquan]

Count me in. I'll pick a nation soon

[Bonfire]

perhaps we could use endgame diversity mod as well, to avoid the situation where everybody is playing for tartarians and one of the main deciding factors is who has more nature gems for GOR and who has the chalice or gift of health to cure them from feeblemindedness.

I'm a bit wary of including the endgame diversity mod. As far as I know the latest version has only been used in Inversions3 so there could easily be bugs or balance issues that haven't been caught yet.

If I see a majority of people want it I'm willing to include it but otherwise I'd rather leave it out.

[Cosmonaut]

I would like Mictlan, please.

[minko]

i dont think it has major bugs or anything... its been used in more games for sure. lunar sea... dunno...

i vote against edm simply because its a game for newer players. i myself havent yet gotten used to all the options without edm, let alone with it. but if others want it in im cool with that.

[Nauquan]

I'll play Patala - never played them before.

[Bonfire]

I've created the game on llamaserver. Feel free to start uploading pretenders. We still have one slot left so hopefully that will get filled soon.

Make sure to have cbm 1.6 enabled when you create your pretender.

We'll probably start the game in a couple days.

[don_Pablo]

I vote for EDM

I hate playing Tir na n'Og with Tartarians and vampires.

[Finalgenesis]

I'll vote for EDM too, Tartarians for 2 teams or so near end game doesn't sound all that exciting.

[sansanjuan]

I'd lean towards EDM but am fine either way.
-ssj

[Lann5555]

I'm fine either way as far as mods go. Can someone explain to me why Ermor is banned though?

[earcaraxe]

I will go away for the weekend, will be back on sunday, 11 pm, gmt+2. I would like a 24 hrs extension. I have already sent in my pretender, and 11 is still missing, so maybe it wont delay the flow of the game at all,

thanks

[don_Pablo]

Usually neighbours of Ermor have no future.
It takes all their resorces to defeat LA Ermor and gives no reward except 15D from his capital.
If they are not allied the game is won by Ermor. If they are allied the game is won by smb far from that war.

It's not fun.

[Bonfire]

Basically if Ermor isn't taken out early it tends to grow exponentially and run away with the game. Ermor has twice as many wins in the hall of fame than the next nation despite being banned in a large percentage of LA games.

The nations that take Ermor out however gain little since Ermor's dominion kills population and hence income.

Edit: or what don_Pablo said

[Bonfire]

no worries earcaraxe I wasn't planning on starting the game till after the 4th of july weekend anyway

[XuanZue]

hi, i'm looking for spot

pythium

[sansanjuan]

I'm at a loss... What is "Chelms"

Game: Gluttony
Late Age, max 15 players
Players so far: 3

Map: Cradle of Dominion
Mods: Conceptual Balance 1.6 Complete

Nations joined so far:
Bogarus
Agartha
Chelms

-ssj

[don_Pablo]

Chelms = LA Man

[Bonfire]

Looks like we're just waiting on Ulm so get your pretender in.

Not too quickly though since I'm really not sure if I should stick with my original pretender idea. Maybe an awake rainbow, dormant SC, or an imprisoned bless would be better. Or maybe that one with the really good name...

[Bonfire]

Game is on. Good luck.

[Lann5555]

Game is on. Good luck.

Good luck everyone too. Looking forward to my first multiplayer clash, although I probably will get owned hard :D

[Greyjoy]

It's some kind of rule that I have to stale once in my first six turns.

Ah, well. It's hardly crippling.

[earcaraxe]

Hi!

I'll be out of town for the weekend. My current turn is sent in, and i would like a delay (after the current turn is resolved) until monday 13:00 gmt,

thanks

[Cosmonaut]

OH NO!
Merchants set up shop in my capital, decreasing the faith to zero.
It is game over for Mictlan. Just remember my poor pretender, who will be forever imprisoned, whenever you sacrifice some blood slaves.

[Bonfire]

Bad luck Cosmonaut hope to see you next game, and let's just say you're not the only one who has been getting unlucky with random events.

Also hosting is delayed till Monday as per earcaraxe's request.

[Nauquan]

I was wondering what happened. May you get really lucky in your next game to make up for it.

[don_Pablo]

A good bonus for your neibours.
I wonder what were your scales of turmoil and misfortune?

[minko]

ouch. i was wondering what happened there with mictlan

[Finalgenesis]

Merchant setting up shop is the + income - faith one right? No access to event list but I vaguely recall that it's a "good" event @.@

[Bonfire]

Nope the merchants keep the money so it's a bad event. According to the event database you can't get it until turn 3 so as long as you declare a prophet right away and/or start blood sacrificing on turn 2 it shouldn't kill you.

[sansanjuan]

OH NO!
Merchants set up shop in my capital, decreasing the faith to zero.
It is game over for Mictlan. Just remember my poor pretender, who will be forever imprisoned, whenever you sacrifice some blood slaves.

Cosmo,
What was your starting Dom in your build? I'm certainly no expert but the rule of thumb is 5+ in MP. Best of luck in your next game.
-ssj

[Cosmonaut]

My pretender had 7 dominion, but he was imprisoned so he wasn't contributing to any dom spread.

[Greyjoy]

Blood dominance is mine hahahahahahahah-

Er, I mean, that sucks.

[earcaraxe]

Lann5555, if u enable PMs, i can offer you a NAP3 in a more secret form :)

[Lann5555]

Lann5555, if u enable PMs, i can offer you a NAP3 in a more secret form :)

Enabled it :)

[Bonfire]

I've linkified the names in the starting post. If it works how I think it does it should take you to a page so you can PM the person.

Also Minko and Cosmonaut you may want to enable private messaging in your forum control panel.

[earcaraxe]

i would like a 48hrs postponement as im going away for the weekend, thank u very much,

earcaraxe

[earcaraxe]

i have already sent my turn in, so i would prefer the postponement after the resulotion of the next turn. ill be back at about monday 6:00 gmt.

[Bonfire]

No problem. I'll set it 48 hours after this turn hosts.

[minko]

I've enabled PMs on my account... I hope :P

[Greyjoy]

Sorry for the late notice, but could I get a 12-hour extension (or so) on this turn?

[Bonfire]

Sorry for the late notice, but could I get a 12-hour extension (or so) on this turn?

Hosting postponed by 12 hours.

[earcaraxe]

Hi!

its offtopic, but i tried all the other options:

I need a replacement partner in the prepo2 no diplomacy team game. the game has just started (12th turn) and with special independents it seems very fun. PM me if interested.

[sansanjuan]

Sorry for the late notice, but could I get a 12-hour extension (or so) on this turn?

Grey,
One nice thing to do (when possible) is when you are the last duck in the boat (turn submission) ... wait 5 minutes, pick up the new turn and immediatly take your next turn. Of course this is not possible at times but when you can swing it... much appreciated.
Respectfully,
-ssj

[earcaraxe]

Dear Fellow Pretenders!

The unmoral hypocrite leaders of Marignon has show the white of their teeth.
Violating the NAP we had between us, they ordered their armies to attack, acting like a real weasel: cowardly and from the back, while scheming good intent. They surely consider themselves more intellectually capable for licking the hoofs of their Devil masters than navigate in the mazes of diplomacy by rules.

Perhaps its no coincidence they are in such an understanding relationship with the weak-moraled, covetous ctis who also share this habit of breaching agreements, of being unable to keep promises.

I after they shown how much their given word means, the non-agression pacts these devil-thralls signed with You are just as nonexistent as their intent to keep them when a little chance of gaining emerges for them.


awaiting Your messengers at Avalon to discuss the details of the state of war and plans if you will,

the magisters of Chelms

[Bonfire]

Covetous? I gave you your stuff back didn't I. Plus you missed the obvious cold blooded joke.

The Evil Lizards

[earcaraxe]

there is a little confusion with the links in the first post (bonfire-->legolas).

[Bonfire]

thanks the link should be fixed now. If any of the other links don't quite go where they should please tell me.

Also I'm setting Ulm to AI. He's staled the last 3 turns in a row and it's unlikely we'll find a sub after this many stales.

[Bonfire]

C'tis needs death gems and has earth to trade. Looking for about 20 or so death for the equivalent in earth although smaller trades will be accepted. pm me if your interested.

[sansanjuan]

thanks the link should be fixed now. If any of the other links don't quite go where they should please tell me.

Also I'm setting Ulm to AI. He's staled the last 3 turns in a row and it's unlikely we'll find a sub after this many stales.

4 in a row now. You may want to post for someone to set him AI. I see Llamaserver is currently waiting for his next turn.

-ssj

[Bonfire]

Turns out Ulm has a password on it's turns. So unless Greyjoy gets back I'm just going to force the turn to host if I see Ulm is holding it up.

[minko]

Hey! I'd like a delay on the hosting interval till wednesday (or better yet thursday if theres no rush) if it's not a problem. My comp was acting up so it's getting repaired atm.

Thanks in advance

[Bonfire]

Hey! I'd like a delay on the hosting interval till wednesday (or better yet thursday if theres no rush) if it's not a problem. My comp was acting up so it's getting repaired atm.

Thanks in advance

Delay granted. I'll extend the interval after this turn hosts.

[earcaraxe]

My empire is under the collective attack of the dishonorable ctis, the backstabber marignon and the scavenger-hearted, arrogant illithids who joined the war when they thought there were just loots collect. They will find only death in my lands as i will defend it to the last standing man (Man :P).

I still have no allies myself.

I'd like to stress that ctis and rlyeh are 3rd and 2st in provinces owned even now and still has plenty of room to expand (with ulm outon their borders), they will be in a strong position should they triumph.

Leaders of marignon, what u will gain from this war is a sandwich from two strong empires, whom u will have no power to resist when the time comes.

Numerous troops of them are fighting in my lands (northwestern corner), so their borders elsewhere most probably lightly defended, great time for showing them .... what u wanna show them.

In search for a longlasting, firmly-based alliance,

From Chelms,

the Magisters

[Otherling]

I've just found out that I'll need to be out of town this weekend. If possible, I'd like to request a delay on turns posting between, say 19:00 Friday (Llamaserver time), and the same time on Monday. I should be back before then, but I prefer not to take chances.

I'm sorry to have to ask this right after a different delay, but this only now came up.

[Bonfire]

I've just found out that I'll need to be out of town this weekend. If possible, I'd like to request a delay on turns posting between, say 19:00 Friday (Llamaserver time), and the same time on Monday. I should be back before then, but I prefer not to take chances.

I'm sorry to have to ask this right after a different delay, but this only now came up.

Delay is granted. Don't worry too much about asking for delays I'm not sure if I stated it in the op but the delay policy on this game was always meant to be fairly generous.

[sansanjuan]

Will trade 3 fire for 2 death (ratio). PM quantity.
ssj

[Lann5555]

Heya

I will no longer be continuing in this game (or Dom3 multi for that matter). Honestly, I figured out this game just really isn't for me. My game is not passworded so do with it what you want

Regards

A.

[Bonfire]

I'm going to delay the game 24 hours to see if a sub can be found for Marignon. I don't suppose I could convince you to do this one last turn Lann. It would help to keep the game from being delayed too long while we look for a sub.

Also anyone heard from legolasjrt. Midgard has staled twice in a row now. If Midgard stales again I'm going to set them to AI.

[Bonfire]

Looks like 13lackguard has agreed to take over Marignon. We may be delayed another 24 hours if 13lackguard needs it for diplomacy or to get a handle on the nation. Sorry for yet another delay but I really don't want to let a nation that's still viable die due to stales.

I'm tempted to try and find a sub for Midgard as well they don't look like they're doing too badly on the graphs and I don't think legolasjrt is still playing. He would have staled again this turn if I hadn't increased the timer. Might be hard to find a sub if he's already staled twice though. Anyone closer to him on the map have any thoughts on this?

Thanks Lann5555 for not just leaving the game without telling anyone. I think it's a lot easier to find subs if a nation doesn't have any stales yet.

[earcaraxe]

according to the (limited) reports of my scouts midgard is doing well, in a peaceful corner.

[earcaraxe]

according to the (limited) reports of my scouts midgard is doing well, in a peaceful corner.

whatever "peaceful" might mean in a wargame like this :)

and I think it the game really would benefit from finding a sub for midgard instead of one more too-early dead nation (like mictlan and ulm).

[13lackGu4rd]

I'm all for delays, I've tried to help by taking 1 of the AWOL nations but it seems that you're in need of another, so we'll have to find somebody else as well. in the meantime I'll get myself acquainted with my new nation, and if any of you had former diplomatic or other agreements with Marignon please fill me up to speed.

[Bonfire]

I've posted for a sub for Midgard. There was one other person who was interested in taking over Marignon so we may get him for Midgard. Hopefully there isn't a password on Midgard's turns.

[sansanjuan]

I've posted for a sub for Midgard. There was one other person who was interested in taking over Marignon so we may get him for Midgard. Hopefully there isn't a password on Midgard's turns.

Bon,
Midgard is leading in research. Good selling angle....
-ssj

[Hadrian_II]

Hi everyone i took over Midgard. I hope i can do something with it, as an awaken sage that is no rainbow is the only thing i have to work with (and production 3 yay).

From him sieging my castle, i assume i am at war with bogarus, but could everyone else let me know if there are NAPs?

[13lackGu4rd]

damn, this game is still on 24 hour schedule? crap... already got a stale due to it :( so anyway, can we extend it a bit? 24 hours at this stage sounds a bit quick...

[Bonfire]

Yeah some of my games are eating a lot of time including this one. I expected to be eliminated from at least one of them by now. It's probably about time we went a longer hosting schedule.

I've set the hosting interval to 48 hours. We could go to a 36 or 48 hour schedule. I kinda prefer 48 so we increase the timer in nice day sized intervals. Anyway post if you have a preference.

[Nauquan]

I'd prefer 48.

[don_Pablo]

48 please

[earcaraxe]

my preference is to set the remainder interval to 9hrs, so it will be bigger than a usual sleep-interval.

[earcaraxe]

I will be out of town until sunday 23:00 PM GMT+2. I will have time to issue turns on thursday 22:00 GMT+2. I have already sent my turn in.

So i would like a temporaly +24hrs to the hosting interval until next monday (making it 72 hrs), thanks.

[Bonfire]

I will be out of town until sunday 23:00 PM GMT+2. I will have time to issue turns on thursday 22:00 GMT+2. I have already sent my turn in.

So i would like a temporaly +24hrs to the hosting interval until next monday (making it 72 hrs), thanks.

Your not the only one who requested a delay over the weekend. Looks like we're on 72 hour schedule after this turn until next Monday.

[earcaraxe]

Please Blackguard tell me what sense it makes to commit all of your forces to attacking me - even when it's futility is clear -, forfeiting your whole hinterland, including your capital in the process. I might learn something.

[earcaraxe]

i wont have internet access from tomorrow noon until sunday evening GMT. I have already sent my 2h file in, so i would like a delay (about 72 hrs) after this turn is resolved, many thanks!

[13lackGu4rd]

Please Blackguard tell me what sense it makes to commit all of your forces to attacking me - even when it's futility is clear -, forfeiting your whole hinterland, including your capital in the process. I might learn something.

well, you created this whole situation in the first place. I'll give you 2 sentences of knowledge, the first you must recognize, the second is merely common sense.
1. every action has an equal but opposite reaction.
2. every action has consequences.

I'll let you finish doing the math :smirk:

[earcaraxe]

you (i mean marignon) attacked (backstabbed!) me in the first place. i wanted peace all along. now u are playing a suboptimal strategy for some mysterious payback. The AI would have played more reasonably.

[13lackGu4rd]

correction: the previous player backstabbed you than bailed out when things didn't seem to work for him. when I came in R'lyeh was already knocking at my doorsteps, and I had no income nor crossbowmen at the back to fight his hordes of chaff. my armies were concentrated on your territory with mages and whatnot, so I just kept going, especially after you told me yourself that you bribed R'lyeh and later Atlantis to attack me...

obviously if I was here from the begining I would have done things differently, but in this situation that I was given there was no escape, I was dead anyway as soon as you got R'lyeh+Atlantis to knock at my back door. so the only *sensible* thing to do is make you pay and try to bring you down with me... there was never redemption for this position.

now, I really don't appreciate your tone here, nor your blunt disrespect, even degrading me compared to the AI. so I'll finish by giving you a friendly advise, don't go running around burning down bridges, you never know when it will come around to bite you in the rear.

[Nauquan]

Ahhh - things are much clearer now. I was wondering what the heck was going on over there. You two should become best friends!

[earcaraxe]

blackguard: just three things.

-I have nothing to do with atlantis attacking you. I bribed only R'lyeh (who was attacking me at the time in cooperation with u) to make it 2 vs 2 instead 3 vs 1 (im being the one). Basicaly you took revenge on me for defending myself.

-I didnt compare u to the AI, but your deeds in this game, i consider it a substantial difference, i dont see any offense in objectively describing someone's deeds as i see them. I have no problem with you personally. I'm convinced the AI wouldnt have given up all his homeland to get revenge on someone, so it would have behaved more reasonably if we restrict ourselves to game terms when defining "reasonable". I believe there were some emotional benefits for you to gain thru your kamikaze invasion, so I'm sure your deeds were also reasonable if we take out-of-game dimensions into calculation.

-I'm also convinced u had other, more optimal choices strategy-wise. Even if I dont count the massive change in the political landscape that happened since you took over, which could have saved you. Tho i know it might be mine perception/opinion only.

(with no belligerent intention) earcaraxe

[Bonfire]

Well I'm out of this game. Real life is stopping me from having the time to play this game or even have more than intermittent internet access. I've sent in the current turn.

This game needs a new admin. If someone wants to volunteer that would be great. Otherwise I'm just going to send the admin password to the top 2 nations in terms of province count since should be in the game for a while.

[Otherling]

Just to make a few things clear from my end, with regards to Man and Marignon:

Man did not pay me or even ask me to attack Marignon. I made that decision of my own free will. My invasion was originally timed to start on the same turn that the previous Marignon player quit. I actually held back for a couple turns because I felt it a little unsporting to attack before giving the new player some time to settle in. At the time I knew only that Marignon and R'lyeh were both attacking Man, and indeed I thought there was a decent possibility that R'lyeh would be pulled into a war against me. I didn't actually find out about R'lyeh and Man's arrangement until just before I attacked.

Earcaraxe, you might be a little slower to criticize Blackguard, however. Granted, it's probably a bit annoying to have his army blazing through your backcountry, but his actions do make sense from my point of view (and his, one assumes). The heart of his territory is largely occupied, and he can't get his forces back quickly. Given the choice between throwing everything I had left at a powerful force, and carving out some new land, I have no doubt that I'd make the same choice. So, probably best everyone just calms down a bit, before someone says something they regret.


On an unrelated note, I see that Bonfire is no longer able to play. I'd like to extend a big thanks for starting this game and running things so far. For the future, is there anyone in particular who'd like to volunteer as admin? I'm assuming we'll need a few days before the next turn regardless, so as to find a replacement player.

[sansanjuan]

Well I'm out of this game. Real life is stopping me from having the time to play this game or even have more than intermittent internet access. I've sent in the current turn.

This game needs a new admin. If someone wants to volunteer that would be great. Otherwise I'm just going to send the admin password to the top 2 nations in terms of province count since should be in the game for a while.

Bonfire
I'd like to second Otherlings thank you for starting and admining the game. Hope your RL get back on track and may your connectivity never waiver. (sounds like a benediction)
-ssj

[earcaraxe]

thanks bonfire.

please delay the game after the resolution of the current turn by 48 hrs as i wont be in town until sunday evening GMT, thanks.

[Bonfire]

I've delayed the timer by 48 hours. And that is my last act as game admin.

[Finalgenesis]

It seems That C'tis will be set to AI if no sub-candidates shows up. Of course, a human player would be much preferable...

I'll extend timer by 24 hours as a last measure for sub to show up before C'tis is set to AI. Should you know of anyone who may be interested please direct them to PM me or respond to this thread (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46216).

I am open to suggestions.

[Nauquan]

I have postponed hosting for 12 hours due to weekend committmens. Sorry for the delay.

[sansanjuan]

I'm AWOL Thur through Monday. I can submit last Monday evening CST. Is that too long w/o a sub? I will post for a sub if the rest of you feel that is a bit too long a delay.
-ssj

[sansanjuan]

I'm AWOL Thur through Monday. I can submit last Monday evening CST. Is that too long w/o a sub? I will post for a sub if the rest of you feel that is a bit too long a delay.
-ssj

Should read "late Monday evening"..

[Nauquan]

Do I have this right? You want to extend the current turn deadline 72 hours? If nobody has any objections, I will extend the deadline.

[earcaraxe]

Do I have this right? You want to extend the current turn deadline 72 hours? If nobody has any objections, I will extend the deadline.

ok for me.

[Otherling]

As Agartha's turn is already in, I'm assuming that sansanjuan wanted the next turn postponed until after Monday, rather than this one. However, from the looks of things, a couple players may have been relying on a delay in this turn. I've postponed the turn for 24 hours so we can hopefully get things sorted out.

[Otherling]

And it appears that I was worried for nothing after all, as it looks like everyone's in on time except Ulm, who's gone. I'm gone for a little while, but I'd imagine one of the other admins can force the turn if no-one needs to resend.

[sansanjuan]

I'm back and turn is in. Sorry for the delay.
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

Ryleth seeks Astral gems, trading 4 W/D/N per 3 S.

[Hadrian_II]

doh, somehow i forgot my army at the fort, lucky patala

[Finalgenesis]

This is an annoucement that Agartha have broken its NAP 3 and initiated a surprise attack. Be warned that Sansanjuan does not keep to agreements or treaty.

Consider any present or future agreement with them to be meaningless, and that there is no need to pay mind to any treaty/agreement with one who does not keep them.

[sansanjuan]

This is an annoucement that Agartha have broken its NAP 3 and initiated a surprise attack. Be warned that Sansanjuan does not keep to agreements or treaty.

Consider any present or future agreement with them to be meaningless, and that there is no need to pay mind to any treaty/agreement with one who does not keep them.

Let it be said that last month Agartha attacked two provinces owned by C'tis... not R'yleh. Agartha welcomes any evidence to the contrary by any party and is mightily confused by the R'yleh reaction. Perhaps R'yleh would agree to have the evidence heard by all pretenders of Gluttony and abide by their decision? Agartha still considers the R'yleh-Agartha NAP in place and will respond in kind to any aggression to the best of our meager abilities.


Let it further be stated that Agartha has turned the other cheek last year as R'yleh insulted Agartha with their harsh reviews of the "Agartha Finger Puppet Troop" calling the performance "weak" and "over the top".

Who is sansanjuan? Do you mean Ool?

-Agartha

[sansanjuan]

This is an annoucement that Agartha have broken its NAP 3 and initiated a surprise attack. Be warned that Sansanjuan does not keep to agreements or treaty.

Consider any present or future agreement with them to be meaningless, and that there is no need to pay mind to any treaty/agreement with one who does not keep them.



Agartha would like to share an excerpt from the Air Queen involved with the R'yleh " misunderstanding " ..

"I had just finished off some C'tis rabble and, right in the middle of my post - battle preening, who should show up but a legion of naked, insane, R'ylehian madmen! Usually I am flattered to be pursued by a mob of naked, insane men but these seemed bent on doing me harm (!) and their hamdlers in the back were U-G-L-Y. To be honest they seemed as surprised to see me as I was to see them..."

Thuella



Assuming Thuella's account is accurate, how was the NAP violated?

Agartha Ministry of Excerpts

[Finalgenesis]

How odd, I will note that said province is:

A.) Raided by Ctis from Ryleth and held for a single turn before being retaken by Ryleth.

B.) Surround by Ryleth province on every side.

C.) Holds lab structure constructed by Ryleth.

I am certain your constant influx of scouts

If you think airdropping into the middle of my nation in the middle of my war (now ended) with Ctis can be considered anything but aggression you can think again.

If you truly intend to abide by the NAP 3, I will give you a chance to return the lone province you have taken from me.

Otherwise, do not be deceived by Agartha's treachery, all treaty and agreement with them are suspect. Again to all pretenders, there is no need to ever abide by any agreement with someone who does not abide by them.

[sansanjuan]

How odd, I will note that said province is:

A.) Raided by Ctis from Ryleth and held for a single turn before being retaken by Ryleth.

B.) Surround by Ryleth province on every side.

C.) Holds lab structure constructed by Ryleth.

I am certain your constant influx of scouts

If you think airdropping into the middle of my nation in the middle of my war (now ended) with Ctis can be considered anything but aggression you can think again.

If you truly intend to abide by the NAP 3, I will give you a chance to return the lone province you have taken from me.

Otherwise, do not be deceived by Agartha's treachery, all treaty and agreement with them are suspect. Again to all pretenders, there is no need to ever abide by any agreement with someone who does not abide by them.


Oppertunist yes. NAP breaking.. no.

Our NAP did not include any of the provisions listed, only your demand that Agartha stay out of the water (perhaps a bit selfish as Agartha made no provision that R'yleh stay off the land). If R'yleh would like to consider an attack on C'tis aggression then so be it. In turn we would invite other pretenders to revaluate NAPs they have with R'yleh in light of your disregard for the former NAP between our pretenders.

Tiny Agartha will fall to the insane hordes from the deep, perhap quickly, but we will have a sting...

Interesting how Voltaron of R'yleh does not even mention the Finger Puppet incident!

Agartha

[Nauquan]

Hold on! Hold on! The monkeys want to get some popcorn. What is the number of theis contested province? And more importantly what happened with the finger puppet?

[sansanjuan]

Hold on! Hold on! The monkeys want to get some popcorn. What is the number of theis contested province? And more importantly what happened with the finger puppet?

<sigh>
I'm sure R'yleh has their version.

The Agartha National Finger Puppet Troop (ANFPT) were sent as emissaries to R'yleh a year back. They were set to perform "Creature From The Black Lagoon" which, in hindsight, was probably not the wisest choice of material for the R'yleh Star Spawn Council. Anyway the Troop arrived in the capital (underwater with appropriate gear) and soon became quite insane. The lead Puppeteer, Lucy, sought solace from the madness in a local tavern where she was picked up by the R'yleh Vastness (Jim?). Jim had his/its way with her (from which she has still not recovered...) but.. the show must go on. Suffice to say the Troop was not at it's best and the R'yleh reviews were injurious to the Agartha pride ("Low production values"???!!!). In the ensuing diplomatic spat we turned away the R'yleh Karaoke emissaries (The Mad Mermen) they had sent as Royal entertainment to our capital. There are two sides to the story and this is ours.

Agarth Ministry of Finger Puppeteers

[Finalgenesis]

Annoucement:

Let it be known that Agartha have irrevocably broken NAP 3 beyond any possible excuses or technicality this turn, I will reiterate that any agreement with them including future pretender incarnations should be treated as non-existent. Any dealings with these scums of the realm will be meet with treachery.

[Nauquan]

Monkeys laugh at puppet thing. Good story!

Edit: Monkeys sent emassaries to fishies court to find out what fishies look like under robes. They never came back too!

[sansanjuan]

Annoucement:

Let it be known that Agartha have irrevocably broken NAP 3 beyond any possible excuses or technicality this turn, I will reiterate that any agreement with them including future pretender incarnations should be treated as non-existent. Any dealings with these scums of the realm will be meet with treachery.

... and Agartha expects a thorough spanking. The battles were fantastic. Even the ones we lost. Fight well denziens of the deep!

-Agartha Ministry of Spankings

ooc- Could you add 24hr to this turn? Camped with the cub scouts and am completely trashed today...

[Finalgenesis]

To Agartha,

We will shortly begin our retaliation in respond to your treachery although we are in quite a bind:

We have no wish to expand any further in the short term as things stand now, and are greatly saddened that despite our tolerance on your first breach on NAP you have decided to push your luck and thus force us to expand. first C'tis, now Agartha, whatever shall we do with our burgeoning problem?

Given the outcome of your attack with the element of surprise (some successful, some failed, and we note the huge loss in gem cost on some of the failures) against our unprepared positions, I think it would be fair to say that once we pull our defenses together and throw our own mages/thugs/scripts into the equation that the advantage would be on our side.

Thus our suggestion given our current expansion policy ("Stop forcing us to expand!"), I would be amendable to restoring things to the way it was given sufficent reparations. Of course, I'm sure you'll want to see some of the defenses I was speaking of first, I will of course oblige, though the reparation required for peace would be larger farther into the war, and the window for peace is short.

We were baffled, of all the possible target (and we note some juicy and conveniently placed ones), us?

-Council of Elder Stars

[sansanjuan]

To Agartha,

We will shortly begin our retaliation in respond to your treachery although we are in quite a bind:

We have no wish to expand any further in the short term as things stand now, and are greatly saddened that despite our tolerance on your first breach on NAP you have decided to push your luck and thus force us to expand. first C'tis, now Agartha, whatever shall we do with our burgeoning problem?

Given the outcome of your attack with the element of surprise (some successful, some failed, and we note the huge loss in gem cost on some of the failures) against our unprepared positions, I think it would be fair to say that once we pull our defenses together and throw our own mages/thugs/scripts into the equation that the advantage would be on our side.

Thus our suggestion given our current expansion policy ("Stop forcing us to expand!"), I would be amendable to restoring things to the way it was given sufficent reparations. Of course, I'm sure you'll want to see some of the defenses I was speaking of first, I will of course oblige, though the reparation required for peace would be larger farther into the war, and the window for peace is short.

We were baffled, of all the possible target (and we note some juicy and conveniently placed ones), us?

-Council of Elder Stars

Dear Council,
Thank you for the interesting proposal.
-Agartha Council of Proposal Replies

ooc - Thanks for the extension

[Otherling]

An out-of-character response for a moment, as I notice that Marignon has been eliminated from the game.

I'd like to extend a thank-you to 13lackGu4rd for substituting in when the previous player quit. He ended up in a pretty hopeless position, beset on multiple fronts by some powerful enemies. Nonetheless, he stuck with it, and actually went on the attack rather than being ground down at home.

So, 13lackGu4rd, on behalf of myself and I hope everyone else, I'd like to thank you for being a good competitor and making the game a more interesting one.

[sansanjuan]

An out-of-character response for a moment, as I notice that Marignon has been eliminated from the game.

I'd like to extend a thank-you to 13lackGu4rd for substituting in when the previous player quit. He ended up in a pretty hopeless position, beset on multiple fronts by some powerful enemies. Nonetheless, he stuck with it, and actually went on the attack rather than being ground down at home.

So, 13lackGu4rd, on behalf of myself and I hope everyone else, I'd like to thank you for being a good competitor and making the game a more interesting one.

Ditto. Hats off BG.
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

This war is getting profitable quickly, though I must admit my lab is getting a bit cluttered.

[sansanjuan]

This war is getting profitable quickly, though I must admit my lab is getting a bit cluttered.

as Agartha's empties... Agartha expects no quarter in this war.

We do take offense to your senseless killing of a young Shambler named "Nick". His body was found frozen under three inches of ice from some heinous ritual from the R'ylehian Abyss. His stooped shoulders and overlong arms will no longer hold his girl... "Nancy".

In other news Lucy has begot a child of Jim the Vastness. Neither mother nor the mid-wife survived the birth. We hope to send him home to daddy soon.

Agartha Ministry of Plaid Ninjas

[Otherling]

Long have our seers walked the desolation of the coast, seeking signs of what is to come. And at long last, we have received an answer. A great black walrus was seen in the pools before the great temple, and it bellowed three times at the rising of the moon. The face of the glacier At'Heth Taratuk fell into the ocean, revealing the bones of a mighty beast. At the fourth white gate, the tide flowed three times without ebbing, leaving the trees broken under a weight of ice. The signs are clear, and we send our messengers now to share them with the world.

The terrible power that lies dead yet dreaming below the Coast of Ice and Bones is awakening once more. Arkael the herald has already come to prepare the path, and our armies have gone forth in her name. Now, all must be made ready. We must bring back to the coast new sources of magic, new bones to burn upon the altars.

The empire must expand.

For a long time, we have lived at peace with the strange creatures of Patala. Odd things, they cannot even survive more than a moment below the waters of the coast. Now the illithids of R'Lyeh call upon us to unite with them and so conquer these 'monkeys'. Against all the powers of the deeps, these furred things could not long stand. The starspawn urge us to see the benefits to both our peoples. Long have we cooperated with R'Lyeh, to great advantage.

Yet there is one thing they have forgotten.

R'Lyeh lays claim to near all the oceans of the world. And the seas are ours. Our heritage. Our birthright. Our legacy, stolen from us by the starspawn. We have not forgotten. We have not forgiven. The time has come to reclaim all the waters for Atlantis. We will have the seas back. We will have them all back.

Let it therefore be known that all agreements and treaties between Atlantis and R'Lyeh are dissolved, nullified, and destroyed. Per the signs, we give the illithids the three months of spring to flee or stand as they will. After that, we march to war. We will scour the oceans of the starspawn, and take back all that is ours. There shall be no peace below the waves, until the bones of the false god Voltaron are burned upon the high altar, or the last of our race is ended.

So it has been foreseen. So shall it be done.

[Nauquan]

True Ture monkeys do not like to get wet. We are in the final staged of our own vast experiment. If a monkey is bitten by a werewolf, will he become a weremonkey? We are sending in a legion of volunteers to find out.

Even better a were-elephant!

[Finalgenesis]

Send him in, we can always use more thral... er, I mean we will welcome the "exchange student".

-T'ggoth, Clerk-in-training for the Thrall assignment center

This war is getting profitable quickly, though I must admit my lab is getting a bit cluttered.

as Agartha's empties... Agartha expects no quarter in this war.

We do take offense to your senseless killing of a young Shambler named "Nick". His body was found frozen under three inches of ice from some heinous ritual from the R'ylehian Abyss. His stooped shoulders and overlong arms will no longer hold his girl... "Nancy".

In other news Lucy has begot a child of Jim the Vastness. Neither mother nor the mid-wife survived the birth. We hope to send him home to daddy soon.

Agartha Ministry of Plaid Ninjas

[Hadrian_II]

Midgard is finally death, in the end we had nothing we could use against patalas onslaught. But as i was blessed with an awake frost father as pretender (and some scales) i suppose i should be happy with lasting that long.

[Nauquan]

We are sad to say that our great werewolf experiment was a failure. Not one of our "volunteers" has contracted the disease.

On a positive note, during a freak storm, many of our troops were exposed to quite a few electrons. If anyone would like to purchase a glow-in-the-dark monkey, please let us know.

OT. Thanks for the merry chase. I would love to know how you maintained such a large army without any visible means of income.

[Nauquan]

Also we would like to apologise to Bogarus. We may have trampled all over your kingdom in our zeal to attack Midgard. We are faintly embarrased. Several of our best monkey scientist are striving to return life to your flattened corpses. If we do not succeed please belive that we shall ignore any leftover breathing, and never speak of this tragedy again without a certain wistfulness.

[Hadrian_II]

I would love to know how you maintained such a large army without any visible means of income.

If you are out of money, your army does not just desert at once, but gradually, so my army was getting smaller every turn. Also commanders do not desert.

[Nauquan]

I did not know that. Thanks.

[Nauquan]

To the Hairless Ones Throughout the Lands of Gluttony:

The Fishies are slippery and twisty with the words. Frankly we are tired of being threatened and bullied by them. They have siezed our lands while accusing us of agression. They have published false statements about us. They have mistreated our emissaries (dressing them in motley), and, worst of all, they simply will not reveal what they look like under their robes.

In addition our Pachyderm Sychronized Swimming Troop (PSST) needs to find a practice facility. As you can imagine they need a rather large body of water - such as a river - that southeastern river would do nicely.

While we agree the wiser course would be to let Atlantis, R'leyh, and Agartha beat each other up, we are just too annoyed. In the coming months we will seek the return of our ancestor lands that were part of our nation from the first few months of our glorious rein. The lands are sacred to us. Our God, shed his blood upon them to save of those (rather wet) lands.

Of course the monkeys are always willing to listen to people from other lands. We would like nothing better then a peaceful existance where we could eat our bananas in peace. But do not send us threats. Threats make monkeys mad.

Sincerely,

The Monkeys, Snakes and Elephants

Edit: We declare war on R'leyh

[sansanjuan]

Llamaserver does not seem to be accepting my turn re-sends. Odd. Anyone else having issues?
-ssj

edit
Nevermind. Seems to be working now.

[Nauquan]

Congrats to R'leyh on a timely Sea of Ice. I should have see that coming, but instead spent five minutes trying to figure out why some of my orders didn't happen.

[Finalgenesis]

Could I get a 2 hr turn extension? Seems I may not be in time to send my turn.

[Nauquan]

Looks like someone extended it 12 hrs.

[Nauquan]

We are sad to announce that the Pachyderm Sychronized Swimming Troop (PSST) has ended it's season early. While there was no shortage of eager participants, the weather has simply not cooperated. Plans are being formed for a new sport - the Pachyderm Ice Skating Team (PIST).

In the meantime, enjoy your winter holiday.

[Otherling]

Looks like someone extended it 12 hrs.

Heh. Misread the request for 2 hours as one for 12 hours, sorry.

And I have to say, things are looking interesting. I'd spent some time considering how Seas of Ice would alter the landscape. And yet somehow never quite grasped that "You know, someone else might cast it." Definitely a good move on R'lyeh's part.

[Finalgenesis]

We are tenacious!

Our apologies to swimmers and hot spring lovers alike, we hope you like ice skating!

[sansanjuan]

We are tenacious!

Our apologies to swimmers and hot spring lovers alike, we hope you like ice skating!

Crazy tenacious with excellent generals!
-Agartha

[Finalgenesis]

The shark population took a sharp dive this month in the biggest ecological disaster in the history of the realm.

On another note, a shark festival has begun in the East Sunlit sea, with nothing but shark meat on the menu! Come buy the latest shark skin and teeth fashion accessory at cut-throat price!

[Finalgenesis]

We are making an open offer to everyone:

We will exchange at a ratio of 4:3 of any 4 of our gems for your 3 pearls. Negotiations welcomed.

This offer extends to everyone, including oath breakers and those who wish us ill, even if you plan to use said gems to our detriment. If possible, we prefer that such detritus be in the form of SCs/thugs with lots of loot though, we've acquired quite a taste for it.

[Nauquan]

The monkey men offer you a choice! We will match any legitimate deal that R'leyh offers because we too enjoy pearls.

Monkeys are cute, fishies are slimy!

[Finalgenesis]

Ah we have forgotten to add 2 other services, we'll list all services below for easy reference:

a) 3:4 exchange ratio, 3 of your Pearls for 4 of our any gems in any combination.

b) 5:4 exchange ratio, 5 of your any gems for 4 of our any gems in any combination. To be clear: Pearls and slaves are not considered gems.

c) 1 year Fixed deposit with an annual return of 20%, available in 50 gem/pearls increments. Gems lent to us can be repaid in any other gem combination you want, pearls lent can be repaid in pearls or any gems at a 2 pearls : 3 any gems ratio. Example:

Ex. 1) You've lent 50 pearls to us, after 12 months you can receive 60 pearls back, or 90 gems in any combination (or say 20 pearls + 60 any gems ...etc).

Ex. 2) You've lent 50 gems (non-pearl/slave) to us, after 12 months you can receive 60gems in any combination you want (ex. 10F+10A+10W+10E+10D+10N). Again, pearls/slaves are not considered gems.

Small print: 12 months repayment countdown begins on the turn we receive the gems, if we receive on Turn 1, you will receive the repayment on Turn 13. Receipts will be given via PM or publicly posted here depending on your preference. gem repayment composition you prefer must be told to us 6 months before repayment date (turn 7) otherwise we will repay in the original gem type. Finally please seek confirmation with us before sending us a deposit or gem exchange, in event that gems are sent to us without us confirming the deal, the offer is null.

Negotiations welcomed.

-Central bank of R'yleh, grand opening

[sansanjuan]

That's the type of "creative financing" that could cause the global financial system to collapse...
Agartha dept of shiney things

[Nauquan]

Is this bank too big to fail?

[sansanjuan]

Just a heads up.
Having trouble finding a sub for this Tue thru Sunday.
ssj

[Nauquan]

I'm fine with delaying the game if others agree.

[Finalgenesis]

Same here, I'm fine with a delay til sunday. I'll extend the turn automatically after this turn resolves if there are no objections.

[Nauquan]

I extended the turn until Sunday. Hope the new time is OK with everyone.

[Nauquan]

Lots of people were going to stale. Someone bumped the deadline till tommorrow.

[Finalgenesis]

Bad hair day

[Nauquan]

R'leyh = Darth Vader. Discuss.

[Finalgenesis]

R'leyh = Rebel Alliance. Discuss.

[Nauquan]

No - I was wrong:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxUM6SEeHWrqdCJOsTahv7BOv3F6--pajW5nXV06jfOeat4jc&t=1&usg=__uIoWql7hbuykTpSvM3Dh_r4Olw8=

[Finalgenesis]

Ahoy, thank you for 'isitin' Da'y Jone's locker, please come a'ain. Gar.

[Nauquan]

Lightless Lanterns for sale! Boost your research! Only five gems (any kind) for TWO lanterns. Or buy all 33 lanterns for 75 gems.

[Nauquan]

SALE!

Lightless Lanterns now only 2 gems (any type) apiece.

This just in! We are overstocked in Skull Mentors. Get yours now for only 4 gems each.

Hurry before they are gone.

[Nauquan]

Okay! Okay! You guys are killing me!

Lightless Lanterns: one gem each

Skull Mentors: two gems each

Will negotiate bulk discounts!

[sansanjuan]

Okay! Okay! You guys are killing me!

Lightless Lanterns: one gem each

Skull Mentors: two gems each

Will negotiate bulk discounts!

On Craig's List Skull Mentors go for 1W. ;)
-ssj

edit : 1 blood slave prior to the crackdown...

[Nauquan]

Very funny...

Anyway, we have been delaying the game frequently. It is not any one player. What do you guys think of switching to 72 hours per turn?

[sansanjuan]

Very funny...

Anyway, we have been delaying the game frequently. It is not any one player. What do you guys think of switching to 72 hours per turn?

I'm easy either way.
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

I'm fine either way too

[earcaraxe]

me too.

[Finalgenesis]

Hmmm it seems the llamaserver timer lied to me :(

[sansanjuan]

Hmmm it seems the llamaserver timer lied to me :(

That does suck.

Now I'm looking forward to twice as many of your remote assassinations next turn...
-Agartha

[Finalgenesis]

I've received a pm from Man, due to real life consideration they will be bowing out after taking this turn. I'll be looking for a sub, it would help if everyone help look for one too.

After this turn I may extend the following turn for two or so days if a sub has yet to be found, with AI being an option after that.

[Nauquan]

Yes, lets delay to find a sub. Man is in decent shape, and too big to make AI without gifing his neighbors.

[Finalgenesis]

It seems that my efforts to look for a sub will be continually sabotaged.

I will request moderator to close my sub-request thread and ask either of the two other admins (Not sure who you are, Bon never told me) to repost the sub thread (you can copy my thread or make your own), it should draw less fire if I'm not the one posting.

I'll submit my request to the mods later today.

[Otherling]

Something's just now come up, and I'd like to request a delay of 48 hours for the next turn. If we're looking for a sub, we can probably use a bit of a delay in any case, so hopefully this doesn't interfere with things too much.

[Finalgenesis]

works just fine :)

Seems we have found a sub too, so no need for all the hassle of someone making another thread. The sub can start taking his turn on Monday, and since Man already submitted its last turn this round the timing couldn't be more perfect!

[Awund]

I'm the sub for Man. Thanks to everyone who have already sent me pms with the diplomatic relations between Man and other nations. I'll reply once I've actually got the turn file and looked at the map.

If you see me doing stupid things: this is my first MP endgame. I've played plenty of time in sp, but I assume it's quite different.

[sansanjuan]

I'm the sub for Man. Thanks to everyone who have already sent me pms with the diplomatic relations between Man and other nations. I'll reply once I've actually got the turn file and looked at the map.

If you see me doing stupid things: this is my first MP endgame. I've played plenty of time in sp, but I assume it's quite different.

We are all thankful you filled in. MP is much more intense and challenging than SP. Relax and enjoy the ride.
-ssj

[Nauquan]

Welcome to Gluttony!

[Finalgenesis]

Welcome Awund and we hope you have fun!

You should be receiving your turn from llamaserver shortly, and an extension of 24 hours have been enabled to give you more time on your first turn to do your diplo and familiarize yourself with your nation.

[Nauquan]

If you need more time, let us know.

[Otherling]

Noticed that two of six players haven't gotten a turn in, with just an hour left to go. I figured people in the States might still be getting back home from Thanksgiving, which would explain things. Moved the clock back 24 hours just in case. Hope no-one minds.

[Finalgenesis]

Just one left now! ^^

[Nauquan]

So my Dominions crashed after about two hours of work (maxed out research so I to find something for all my leaders. &#*^#$ Sea of Ice!

Don't have the heart or the stamina to start over, so I am delaying the game by 16 hours. Hope that is OK.

[Finalgenesis]

You don't know what its like to fear the dispel of my sea of ice :( And how annoying it is to keep a big pile of W gems in case that happens rather then retake maelstrom.

[sansanjuan]

So my Dominions crashed after about two hours of work (maxed out research so I to find something for all my leaders. &#*^#$ Sea of Ice!

Don't have the heart or the stamina to start over, so I am delaying the game by 16 hours. Hope that is OK.

Bummer. My turns consist of

10 minutes watching my mages die
5 minutes shaking my tiny fist at Bob the Vastness (Voltaron just doesn't elicit that emotion)
20 minutes writing poor scripts.

Win or lose I am enjoying the game though.


-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

You banished Bob back to the void *sniff* :(.

Lankwood forest has to be on the top of 100 worst place to live list, It's swampy, wet, psycho central, druggies everywhere, ghost villages, non-stop incursion by undeads / tartarians / necromancers, hordes of phantom longdead riders going this way and that, and it's been that way for what feels like years. It's also the last bastion of my power on land, it almost feels like a evil swampy forest version of Mordor, soon to be fell by forces of ligh.... wait no, by undeads and necromancers, crazies vs undeads, nevermind there.

Finally, I declare that we have entered into the age of WMD.

[Nauquan]

Finally, I declare that we have entered into the age of WMD.

This does not bring happy thoughts.

--------------------------

I have taken the liberty of extending turns to 72 hours. Why?
1) We are in late game
2) We had a resounding vote of "I don't care" earlier.
3) The holidays are upon us, and I would like to stay married (most days).

If anyone objects, please post.

Thanks.

[sansanjuan]

You banished Bob back to the void *sniff* :(.

Lankwood forest has to be on the top of 100 worst place to live list, It's swampy, wet, psycho central, druggies everywhere, ghost villages, non-stop incursion by undeads / tartarians / necromancers, hordes of phantom longdead riders going this way and that, and it's been that way for what feels like years. It's also the last bastion of my power on land, it almost feels like a evil swampy forest version of Mordor, soon to be fell by forces of ligh.... wait no, by undeads and necromancers, crazies vs undeads, nevermind there.

Finally, I declare that we have entered into the age of WMD.

Bob could not be killed. He was just sent back to his old neighborhood.

Lankwood is indeed the badlands of Gluttony. I can imagine an old weatherbeaten sign hanging outside the province...

Lankwood
Pop <STRIKE>9000</STRIKE> 700

Everyone has bad teeth too.

-Agartha

[Nauquan]

I would like to whine a little.

The battle has gone past the scripted orders

He has: one wraith lord with 8 HP left
I have: about 150 troops, elephants, etc. several commanders including a level 4 priest

My wonderful mages decide this would be a good time to use up all of their gems. Nevermind the upcoming assault on his castle.

Army of gold
Will of Fates
Living Water
etc.

Argh!

[sansanjuan]

I would like to whine a little.

The battle has gone past the scripted orders

He has: one wraith lord with 8 HP left
I have: about 150 troops, elephants, etc. several commanders including a level 4 priest

My wonderful mages decide this would be a good time to use up all of their gems. Nevermind the upcoming assault on his castle.

Army of gold
Will of Fates
Living Water
etc.

Argh!

Ouch. Been there. Makes me wonder if the ai reevaluates the opposing forces at script end or sticks with the prebattle strength assessment.
ssj

[Finalgenesis]

There's not enough water to put out all the fires! :eek:

[Finalgenesis]

I've taken the liberty of extending 24 hrs, but it seems unavoidable that Pan will stale this turn.

I pray it's a one time thing.

[Awund]

I'll be on holiday next week without internet access. I'll make sure to send in the current turn on sunday. I'd like a delay for a few days if possible, if not it's no big deal if I stall one turn.

[Nauquan]

I'm OK with a delay. When exactly should we make the deadline after this turn?

[Finalgenesis]

I'll delay by 48hrs now (Awund already submitted), then I'll monitor/extend next turn daily until Pan hand their turn in (assuming it's not something like 1 week).

[Otherling]

I've taken the liberty of extending the turn limit, as it's the holidays and some people are likely to be distracted. If everyone still gets their turns in it should host as normal.

[sansanjuan]

Well orchestrated paradrop R'lyeh. You just don't get that playing SP.

Beautiful... in a painful sort of way:hurt:.

Agartha

[Finalgenesis]

Beware of the cornered beast! (… and cornered we are, in every sense of the word.)

Our vault is a shadow of it's former overflowing past as our enemies wised up and our loots dried up. (Though we are thankful for the latest contribution, we will put it to good use…)

Every month our circle dwindles, as children gather to grimly watch their parent(s) strap on suicide packs (1 pearl) and march to war, waving their trunks tragically. (You just made 3 orphans last month mister! You monster you!)

Oh, we are accepting any donations to the orphan suicide traini… errr orphaned war victim fund. (preferably in pearls)

Our gem management department stands vacant, as spawns after spawns go insane and quit the position. (Is monthly gemflow statements too much to ask?!)

Our popula… wait what population?

Ahhh… Another day in R'yleh.

[sansanjuan]

You earned those goodies and I expect to be thrashed with my old gear.

Agartha
ooc
PS Any word from Patala? I know they were ill over the Holidays. May want to postpone until we hear from Nauquan. -ssj

[sansanjuan]

ooc
No PMs from Nauquan. I have a bad feeling. What do you all want to do? Unsure what the standard protocol is for this.
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

ooc

I vote to start a sub thread asap. Patala is an important spot that'll throw the balance of the game right out if left alone.

We can add a disclaimer that Patala won't be confirmed Mia until tommorrow hosting time (so in 30 hrs or so) in case he comes back, you never know if a player just wants to cut it close.

Otherwise if he really doesn't show and don't think it's worth 30 seconds of his time to give us a heads up then we don't have to feel bad about it.

I would ask someone else to make the thread this time though, mine may get sabotaged.

I can attest to seeing (well, and fighting) rudras, siddhas and the usual 4 armed or lute playing goodies, I think there's a market for late late game patala with all the goodies and very solid position, sub shouldn't be that hard to find.

I've extended for 48 hrs in the interim to resolve the matter.

[sansanjuan]

ooc
Roger that. I'll post a sub thread if no word in 24 hours. Nauquan... if you are reading this please post.
-ssj

[Awund]

I read in the other thread that you've found a sub, but who is it?

[Finalgenesis]

Our new monkey overlord is: Mauxe

Please give him a round of applause!

Do update your diplo with him and help him catch up to speed! I am composing my pm to him as we speak.

the game is hosting in 48 hrs, but considering this is his first turn with a large and advanced empire, I will be offering generous extension on behalf of Gluttony players to our sub to familiarize himself with his empire (no small task) and put all his diplo in order.

[Finalgenesis]

Anyone heard anything from Mauxe yet?

I've taken the liberty to extend another 48 hrs, I think it's time we call this deadline firm, no further extensions are planned unless Mauxe request for more time to sort out his 1st turn.

[Mauxe]

Sorry for the silence.
I've been taking in the game thread as well as some pm's - and working through a rather involved map.
I was getting on this morning to ask for that 48 hours.
I'll be dome with my turn sooner -by tonight is the plan - I just don't want to get caught.

Thanks for allowing me in btw. From what I have read so far it has been quite an interesting game.

Mauxe

[Finalgenesis]

For those who haven't turned in turns for Turn 82 (Including myself), please do not update to 3.26 patch until you have taken this turn. The list of players are:

Myself (ryleh)
Awund (Chelms/Man)
Minko (Pangaea)

Everyone please update your game to V3.26 patch for Turn 83!

Refer to the following for patch link and background.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//showpost.php?p=768737&postcount=1

[Finalgenesis]

A brilliant stroke Agarthans :doh: All the while I've been doing the rare small time maneuvers you've been setting up a big stroke, and boy does the stroke hurt. we'd admire your mastermind if we weren't on the receiving end :hurt:

[Finalgenesis]

It just occurred to me how far ahead you Agarthans thought it out and it was meant to be right on target (I thought I was unlucky) on the first hit rather then relying on slow attrition and luck!

Damn! That's one brilliant trick! I'll consider my loss a tuition fee. I'd never thought of that!

[Awund]

You're giving sansanjuan too much credit here. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he definitely is. However this has nothing to do with Agartha.

[sansanjuan]

You're giving sansanjuan too much credit here. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he definitely is. However this has nothing to do with Agartha.

I think I was the spankie last turn.

8 gizzled old frail mages puttering in the garden in beautiful downtown Lankwood and ... WHAM. Rain of Stones Rain of Stones Rain of Stones. The garden didn't fair too well either.


-Agartha

[Finalgenesis]

The llama server timer is killin' me here, I manage to stale again trusting that timer, this is getting really tiring and discouraging to get screwed multiple times like this.

It seems out of my few games on llamaserver this is the only game that gives me false timer, it's probably going to keep happening.

I don't really want to (or plan to) look at the new turn after another wonderful stale *sigh*. Anyway I think it's a sign.

Edit: I'll try to look for a sub, you may need to pause this unless you don't mind an AI.

[sansanjuan]

The llama server timer is killin' me here, I manage to stale again trusting that timer, this is getting really tiring and discouraging to get screwed multiple times like this.

It seems out of my few games on llamaserver this is the only game that gives me false timer, it's probably going to keep happening.

I don't really want to (or plan to) look at the new turn after another wonderful stale *sigh*. Anyway I think it's a sign.

Edit: I'll try to look for a sub, you may need to pause this unless you don't mind an AI.

ooc
Final,
That stinks. I'm away from home but the score table says the turn went well for me. If you want to reroll the turn say the word and I will vote with you. You have been singlehandedly fighting ... almost everyone and, considering your resources,... doing CRAZY well. Superb tactics with not a penny or gem wasted. Art. I for one would be sorry to see you go because of a bad server clock.

ssj

[Mauxe]

I am fine with rolling back.
Don't really want to play with stale turns if we can help it.
I haven't even looked at the new turn yet.

Mauxe

[Awund]

I've staled as well the last turn, so of course I wouldn't mind a rollback. However I knew the when the deadline was, so the stall really was my own fault. As such I'm fine either way, if we continue it's ok for me too.
Finalgenesis: You've been playing really good, so it'd be a shame if you left this game. I really hope my recent actions had nothing to do with that.

[Finalgenesis]

Awund, while your hit really hurt (applause :o ! Though I still suspect a puppet master ;)) I would never bail out from losing and always fight to the last to the point when I can make no difference as an AI. I do derive some small bit of satisfaction from exacting a price from my malefactors.

The problem is I can make good on my commitment against humans, but when its the server kicking your @$$, there's nothing I can do, no matter how good I do and what plans I have in progress, the server can (and did, and probably will continue to) screw me at any time. I can handle it once, but now that it's shown itself to be a persistent problem there's no point in playing this game against the server. This stale KILLED me (I don't even have to look at my turn), and it just pisses me off when I'm on the ball checking server time, doing diplo, planning, grand plans half in motion and generally playing a decent game, then get ****** by the server, again, with more to come down the line. It's like playing chess with a lunatic, who throws the rules out the window and shoves it's king up your *** while screaming "CHECKMATE! CHECKMATE!" (pardon my analogy).

Luckily the timer issue is just for this game (I have no timer problem on the other games), so I figure I can just drop this bugged game and cross my fingers it won't happen to my others.

I appreciate the free server llamabeast provides and am impressed how stable it is. Inevitably these little hiccup happens (that's why it's called bugs, impossible to exterminate :bug:), this hiccup in particular makes this specific game frustrating for me.

I realize I could keep track of the hosting interval myself, and I may have to go with that here if I continue (and sometimes I forget the last hosting time, or not sure when exactly it was hosted...). I rely on the timer at llamaserver and I really do use most/all of the time available planning diplo and planning moves (I have a gemflow forecast and spreadsheet for Gluttony for god's sake). Thus having a bad timer is a killer on me. You could say I'm whining and probably be half right, but the fact is a bad timer makes it hard for me to play and supremely frustrating given the effort I put in.

I did pm llamabeast about it, hopefully he can pinpoint what the problem is. If this problem can be fixed I'd that'd be great, I have no qualm getting my behind handed to me by humans, just not the server.

I didn't consider rollback actually, as it seems by general consensus to be a bad idea from what I read from the vets. I'm not sure what problem can come from rollback, so do tell if anyone knows... But if everyone is good with it though I definitely would want it to be honest. Meanwhile I'll see what luck I have in fixing the server timer (maybe impose on one of you to post server host time you see in forum? :( As it sometimes don't show up right for me).

[sansanjuan]

Awund, while your hit really hurt
I didn't consider rollback actually, as it seems by general consensus to be a bad idea from what I read from the vets. I'm not sure what problem can come from rollback, so do tell if anyone knows... But if everyone is good with it though I definitely would want it to be honest. Meanwhile I'll see what luck I have in fixing the server timer (maybe impose on one of you to post server host time you see in forum? :( As it sometimes don't show up right for me).

If I recall rollback issues can sometimes manifest due to unit ids somehow getting out of synch. I've been through one rollback with no issues many moons ago. Perhaps llamabeast might comment. I will PM him and ask if he might comment.
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

Hope he replies soon, I really wouldn't mind a rollback if it doesn't cause any problems.

[sansanjuan]

Hope he replies soon, I really wouldn't mind a rollback if it doesn't cause any problems.

No word from Llama so I posted in the main thread. If we still don't get any direction I say we give it a go. I did see the turn but will submit the same assuming that others that did not stale will do the same.

-ssj

[Mauxe]

I'll submit the same.

[sansanjuan]

Hmmm. Many of the wise strongly warn against it.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46966

FinalG- Is there another form of compensation we could arrange for your lost turn? A cease fire for a couple turns and some gold/gems? Let us know.

-ssj

PS Can you extend this turn 24 hrs?

[Otherling]

I've extended things another 24 hours while we work this out. I have no objections to a rollback, assuming that's workable. What do we need here?

[Finalgenesis]

It's okay, I'm not looking for compensation. It seems from replies in your thread that I can't get a rollback without the risk of ruining it for someone/everyone, I'm satisfied with the verdict, thanks for your efforts sanj! It's just not meant to be.

Should I look for a sub or are we okay with me turning AI? If AI I'll use 1 turn to pay back (or try to) what I owe before going AI, I won't be do anything with the turn except send out gems/items, so feel free to pick over the lean carcass and grab some freebie provs.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm bailing out here, I am more then happy to fight a doomed war to the bitter end and get some good bruises from human players (and hopefully give some), whereas putting time + effort into a game that stales me out of the blue (twice) due to a bug is too painful to put up with and continue investing efforts into, I hope everyone understands. I suppose now that I'm aware of the timer bug for this game I can compensate in various ways to prevent future server screws if I stayed, but the damage has already been done and I can't find the will to pick up the pieces for a second time.

Edit: no reply from llama regarding the timer issue yet, but anyway it should no longer be one once I'm out of this game.

[sansanjuan]

It's okay, I'm not looking for compensation. It seems from replies in your thread that I can't get a rollback without the risk of ruining it for someone/everyone, I'm satisfied with the verdict, thanks for your efforts sanj! It's just not meant to be.

Should I look for a sub or are we okay with me turning AI? If AI I'll use 1 turn to pay back (or try to) what I owe before going AI, I won't be do anything with the turn except send out gems/items, so feel free to pick over the lean carcass and grab some freebie provs.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm bailing out here, I am more then happy to fight a doomed war to the bitter end and get some good bruises from human players (and hopefully give some), whereas putting time + effort into a game that stales me out of the blue (twice) due to a bug is too painful to put up with and continue investing efforts into, I hope everyone understands. I suppose now that I'm aware of the timer bug for this game I can compensate in various ways to prevent future server screws if I stayed, but the damage has already been done and I can't find the will to pick up the pieces for a second time.

Edit: no reply from llama regarding the timer issue yet, but anyway it should no longer be one once I'm out of this game.

Best wishes then FinalG. I'm not in to spankings but I greatly enjoyed your cunning mischief. Also, mightly Volt is a still living legend. With the Aegis.. well... nuff said. (though Bob the Vastness is far more dear to me and Agartha looks forward to his return from the void with sweaty palms and palpitating hearts).
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

Indeed, Volt with Aegis is one thing I wanted to try out, unfortunately he's probably dead due to the stale. I guess I'll catch a glimpse of the horrific state of the catastrophic turn when I check in to settle the repayments and stuff.

Just to check, is 15:33 Jan 27th the hosting time people are seeing on the server now? It would be funny to stale another one again as a farewell gift from the server.

[Awund]

Just to check, is 15:33 Jan 27th the hosting time people are seeing on the server now? It would be funny to stale another one again as a farewell gift from the server.That's indeed the correct hosting time.

[Mauxe]

I screwed up my timing this turn as well - kind of stupid as it's even posted above but I guess I was in a hurry.

Doesn't look like I will make it to either one of my Dom machines prior to hosting.
Sorry - I don't want to be a staller. I guess I need to start jotting down the deadline in EST so I don't screw up again.

Mauxe

[Awund]

Could I please get a 12 hour extension for the current turn? I thought it was due on monday, but I can't get it in before very late this evening.

[Otherling]

I may or may not have extended the turn. That is, I told it to postpone hosting, and it said it would, but the server still lists the turn as being due Sunday, and the admin log doesn't show the postponement. So your guess is as good as mine on when it'll host.

[Finalgenesis]

I'm seeing 16:35 GMT on Sunday January 30th as the host time, but I smell another timer glitch so don't trust that, someone else can confirm whether this (new? I don't recall the original host time) hosting time matches what they see.

On another note, after finally checking my turn and doing it with just tying up loose ends and other commitments in mind, I ended up doing the turn with some diplo correspondence on the side. I'll skip to just say that the mad dreams still call to me and I'll shamelessly stay, There is also a new loose end requiring payback to ensure we settle all our debt.

[Finalgenesis]

I'm seeing host time 13:25 GMT on Thursday February 3rd, can anyone confirm this?

[Awund]

13:25 GMT on Thursday February 3rd confirmed as host time.

[Finalgenesis]

I've turned quickhost off, this is so I can submit a proto-turn before a finalized one. In case I get screwed again by the timer I'll at least have a half done turn submitted.

Please don't turn quickhost on! I'll force host if all the turns are in before hosting time (Unless you also submitted half-turns, in which case please post here to not force host).

[Mauxe]

I am hoping to have my laptop connected to wifi tonight.
Currently my power has been off since Tuesday. My house is sub-40 right now and we have had to relocate.
I'll post as soon as I'm able to send in a turn.
(I'm at work now - internet but no Dom3)

Mauxe

[Finalgenesis]

I'll extend by 24 hrs if Mauxe couldn't get turn in by deadline. I'm seeing 13:25 GMT on Sunday February 6th as deadline, if you see otherwise let me know or I might miss extending.

Also looks like Man is at risk of puffing, I'll pm and look for sub if needed.

[minko]

if possible id like a delay on hosting for 72 (i know, i know :( ) hours.
thanks in advance
minko/pan

[Otherling]

Caught your message just in time here, as the game's scheduled to host in 15 minutes or so. I delayed it by 24 for now, if you need the full 72 we can probably do that.

Stepping back a bit, I'd also like to take a look at the long view here. It seems unlikely that any one player is going to destroy everyone else in the near future. And aside from that, do we have any real victory conditions? I freely admit that I'm a bit out of my depth at this point in the game, and I don't really know if there's a way things are usually brought to a close.

[Finalgenesis]

I presume usually there's a clear front runner (and usually beating any last real alliance facing them) that everyone accepts as the victor if there is no will to continue.

In this case that has yet to happen, I'd think of it as the best is yet to come. Aside from Agartha (and well, Ryleh defensively) everyone is sitting tight, I assume if one of the sitters makes a move the pace will really pick up. Of course I'm sure this game dragged on for longer then most of us thought, it would be perfectly good to find a sub if you're tired of it.

I'm finding this game the most educational in endgame tactics by multiples compared to any other game though, maybe it's because I get 10x the action compared to those other games. Things I picked up here is really serving me in other games...

[Mauxe]

I will freely admit that this is deep-end end-game 101 for me.
Definitely a but overwhelming to come into an empire like this as a sub and maintain any type of momentum.

I'm working through it all though and I'm hoping the game continues until the point of Armageddon.

[sansanjuan]

Slightly confused...

nevermind.. turns are all in but quickhost is off...
-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

Good to see all turns are in.

Turn hosted. New turn for everyone.

[Finalgenesis]

Could anyone confirm seeing the following turn hosting time:

13:20 GMT on Monday February 14th

[sansanjuan]

Could anyone confirm seeing the following turn hosting time:

13:20 GMT on Monday February 14th

yup

Game: Gluttony
Turn number 88
Next turn due: 13:20 GMT on Monday February 14th

Agartha 2h file received
Atlantis Waiting for 2h file
Chelms Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea Waiting for 2h file
Patala Waiting for 2h file
R'lyeh 2h file received


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last updated at 15:05 GMT on Sunday February 13th
Current time: 15:05 GMT

-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

Doing up my finalized version of turn now! A reminder to not force host the turn!

[Finalgenesis]

Anyone can help confirm -

Next turn due: 13:25 GMT on Thursday February 17th ?

[sansanjuan]

Anyone can help confirm -

Next turn due: 13:25 GMT on Thursday February 17th ?

Game: Gluttony
Turn number 89
Next turn due: 13:25 GMT on Thursday February 17th


Yes but could you bump it 24hrs? Busy week.

-ssj

[Finalgenesis]

certainly, 24 hrs extended

[Finalgenesis]

*sniff*

Can anyone confirm what I'm seeing:

"Next turn due: 16:30 GMT on Tuesday February 22nd"

Looks right but I can't be sure.

[sansanjuan]

*sniff*

Can anyone confirm what I'm seeing:

"Next turn due: 16:30 GMT on Tuesday February 22nd"

Looks right but I can't be sure.

... this is what I see
Game: Momentum3
Turn number 73
Next turn due: 14:20 GMT on Tuesday February 22nd

[Finalgenesis]

Now I'm suitably confused :confused:

I'll stay on the safe side and can just barely stick to the 14:30 deadline, and at least I have a half turn sent in case the Thing goes down.

[sansanjuan]

Now I'm suitably confused :confused:

I'll stay on the safe side and can just barely stick to the 14:30 deadline, and at least I have a half turn sent in case the Thing goes down.

My bad. That was for my other game "Momentum". Many apologies. Here is Gluttony

Game: Gluttony
Turn number 90
Next turn due: 16:30 GMT on Tuesday February 22nd

Agartha 2h file received
Atlantis Waiting for 2h file
Chelms Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
Patala 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received


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Last updated at 16:55 GMT on Monday February 21st
Current time: 16:56 GMT

[Finalgenesis]

*OOC* It seems there's a slight chance we'll have to look for sub. I'll pm the relevant parties to check for pulse, expect game on hold on the very improbably chance that a sub will be needed.

*IC*
A most excellent month here in Ryleh across the realms.

We declare the death of Atlantis' pretender, a heavy rainbow enchantress.

Vengeance is sweet.

[Finalgenesis]

*OOC-Admin update*

I'm seeing:

Next turn due: 17:41 GMT on Thursday March 3rd
for the next hosting, correct me if I'm wrong

My PMs to Awund(Man) and Mauxe(Patala) have not elicit a response yet though I have seen Mauxe post in another thread after I sent out the PM, I will extend turn by 24 hrs and post a sub seeking thread around when the turn is originally supposed to host.

I believe we should put the game on hold until subs can be found for Man and Patala once we're sure they really are silent quitting by tommorrow.

[Mauxe]

My apologies to FG and all. I thought my last PM to you was just prior(within) this current turn. I do not keep a sent copy so I cannot verify that. (though I wish I did on a number of occasions.. is there a way to set that as default rather than needing to remember to check the box?). Although I did see your PM early this morning I had in my mind that I would be finishing my turn today and would address it then.

Sorry again :(

Mauxe