(Monkey Paradise) NEWBS ONLY (running)

[Groundworm]

Monkey Paradise

Late age
Newbs only
10 players
Mods: CBM 1.6
Map: Cradle of Dominion
Renaming allowed
All other settings standard
Score graphs off
Ermor and R'lyeh are banned
Diplomacy is binding

Hosting on Llamaserver

Turns will initially be on a 24-hour timer, which can be increased as needed when turns start to take too long.

1) Midgard- Groundworm
2) Mictlan- Hrum
3) Marignon- mockingbird
4) Bogarus- Dark Kitty
5) Arcoscephale- AngelSong
6) C'tis- XuanZue
7) Jomon- Bonfire
8) T'ien Chi- Allium
9) Gath- don Pablo
10) Abysia- Inindo

[mockingbird]

I would like to join this game as Marignon, please.

[Hrum]

I'd like to join as Mictlan please.

[Dark Kitty]

I would like to join as Bogarus please (as long as you don't mean 'first time players' by 'newb' as I played in 5-6 MP already)

[AngelSong]

I want to join as Arcoscephale,May Old kingdom long live.

[XuanZue]

i want to play with c'tis.

[Groundworm]

We're filling up fast! Welcome, everyone! Yes, Dark Kitty, 5-6 MP games is fine. Updating the list now.

[Bonfire]

May I have Jomon please.

[Allium]

I would like to play as Tien Chi.

[MadFrancis]

I'd like to play Man.

[don_Pablo]

I'd like to take the last slot if nobody minds.
I choose a nation a bit later.

[Inindo]

D'oh, just a bit too slow. If you can squeeze in an 11th I would love to try Abysia, if not no worries.

[MadFrancis]

I have to withdraw, sorry.

[don_Pablo]

I'll try Gath

[Numahr]

I'd like to play Pangea if possible

[13lackGu4rd]

I'll take Utgard, but only if game won't start until next weekend. will be out town before that, so it'll be hard to start a game...

[Groundworm]

I updated the list. Game is now full; apologies to Numahr and 13lackGu4rd who didn't make it in time, and thanks to everyone who joined- I did not expect that the game would fill up within 8 or so hours of me posting it!

Some of the other players have emailed me privately with time constraints this week. Therefore, I will aim to start the game probably on Friday. That should give us some time to create pretenders and decide on strategy.

Good luck, and enjoy the game!

[Hrum]

Whoever just cast Storm in NY, quit it! Umbrella useless. Soo drenched! :P

In other news, I pestered Groundworm and my understanding is that he had some minor technical difficulties, but it sounds like they're pretty much resolved. I got the impression that he'll have the game up on Llamaserver shortly so we can start uploading our pretenders. I hope..?

/prod

/me behaves like Ed Gruberman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bFfeLY3s64&feature=related

"Yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?"

:)

[Groundworm]

The game is up on llamaserver. Upload your pretenders whenever you're ready, and I'll start the game once everyone is in.

[Hrum]

FYI, for anyone who hasn't done one of these Llamaserver games before (ie. like me, since this is my first) there's a FAQ here on the Shrapnel forums on what to do:

Llamaserver FAQ
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160

Just got done reading it myself. :)

And our game on Llamaserver is:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MonkeyParadise

[Groundworm]

The game has now started, you should have already received the first turn. Enjoy!

[mockingbird]

Dominions crashes when I try to load the trn file I was just sent. This is under MacOS 10.5.8. The trn file is in

/Users/MyUserName/dominions3/savedgames/MonkeyParadise

The only immediately obvious difference between the trn file I received and the ones saved by my SP games is that the one from llamaserver has extended attributes.

This is my first time playing with llamaserver, so the help of more experienced players would be appreciated to resolve this problem.

Thanks!

[Dark Kitty]

I am not familiar with MacOS but it is more or less based on Unix, the program trying to access a file it has no rights over might be shut down by the system? Does your file has the right rights and/or owner/group? (man chown/chmod/chgrp for more info)

[mockingbird]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think that's it, as it has the same permissions as all of my other saved games:

ls -alt@ late_marignon.trn
-rw-r--r-- 1 username 502 94922 Jul 16 13:58 late_marignon.trn

I removed (or so it seems) the extended attribute using
xattr -d com.apple.quarantine late_marignon.trn

I also tried grabbing the attachment again and just opening it directly with dominions, to no avail.

[Hrum]

Just to confirm, you're running the latest patch level (Dominions 3.24) with CBM 1.6 enabled (in the mod preferences screen), correct?

One thing you could try: Put up your own 2 player test game on Llamaserver with just you and an AI and see if it works. Try it with this map, and maybe try one with a different map. Or you could try a local game on your machine with this map (I hope it's not the map!).

[Allium]

Yeah, I found out when I tried to play my first turn that I'd forgotten to update to 3.24, so that's worth a check.

[mockingbird]

Okay, my problem seems to be solved.

I will decline to describe what the issue was because I don't want to embarrass myself any more than I already have. :)

[Hrum]

Sorry for the slacking on getting my 1st turn in. I'm travelling this weekend, and while I think I should be fine with the 24 hour timer I may end up using more of it than would otherwise be necessary for these quick starting turns.

I'll be back home Monday night (and will then need to look for new excuses for my slacking). :)

[Dark Kitty]

The nation of Bogarus is interested in getting nature, many other types are available in exchange.

[Inindo]

Whoa, just noticed that Bogarus Starlets are pretty awesome with 12 research for only 250 gold each... I'm jealous. Any chance you would be interested in fire gems?

[Dark Kitty]

No thanks, I have enough fire for now :)

EDIT : oops, I just realized I didn't verify my previous post before sending it : it should read "the nation of Bogarus is interested in earth and nature gems"

[Groundworm]

Alas, of earth and nature gems I have none to spare.

And yes, Inindo- the Starets are awesome for many reasons, the 12 RP being among them!

[Inindo]

i think the hosting issue is server wide, all the games on llama server were "Last updated at 04:15 GMT on Friday July 30th"

[Groundworm]

You seem to be right about that Inindo. While this is unfortunate, I'm glad it's not just me. :)

[Inindo]

The nation of Abysia is looking for any of the following:
-Earth gems
-Earth boots
-Dwarven hammer
Any nation willing to trade please contact us as we have some nice tantalizing offerings with which to trade (hopefully). In addition we offer a lifetime supply of free tanning and heat treatments for your troops ^_^

[don_Pablo]

My congratulations to Mictlan.
Gath went AI.

[Inindo]

With the fall of the first nation in the game, I would be in favor of extending the turn timer.

[Groundworm]

Congratulations to Mictlan on first blood!

I've had no trouble with turn length myself. However, if more people are in favor of extending the turn length, I will do so.

Keep it at 24 hours? Increase to 36? 48? Let me know and I'll make the change.

Groundworm

[mockingbird]

I am happy with the 24 hour schedule.

Of course, if other players feel that they need more time I think we should by all means accomodate them.

[XuanZue]

can you change host to 36 hours interval?

[Groundworm]

Done- hosting interval increased to 36 hours.

Allow me to also take this opportunity to say that I will be out of town this weekend, from Friday afternoon to Sunday evening. I should be able to take my turn Friday, after which (unless anyone objects) I will postpone the next turn until Sunday.

Apologies for the delay.

[Groundworm]

I've submitted my turn, and will be leaving for the weekend shortly. I've postponed hosting until I return. Thanks again for your patience.

[AngelSong]

Thunderstorm,lost my last chance.My honor nation destroy by abysia fire army.
I will be stand up atleast.

[AngelSong]

PS:Thanks Jomon and Abysia,I study lots thing.

[Groundworm]

Are you going AI, AngelSong? Either way, well fought and I'm sure you gave Abysia and Jomon a valiant struggle!

Looks like that's 2 nations down.

[Inindo]

You fought with honor and resilience. For that, we shall add the names of your fallen to the eternal flaming light of Smuldercone where they shall shine for all time.

[AngelSong]

I will stand up until all over.Arcoscephale people never gave up.

[AngelSong]

bye all.

[Groundworm]

Farewell, AngelSong,

You fought a good fight. The nation of Arcoscephale will be long remembered.

[Groundworm]

I notice that since the turn timer was increased to 36 hours, turns have been generated almost exactly every 36 hours. This is understandable every once in awhile, but for most of this game C'tis has been the last to submit their turn, and for just as long the turn has been submitted at the 36th hour.

I realize that we all have busy schedules and lives to attend to, but really? Waiting till the last minute every single turn is somewhat difficult to accept. Am I wrong in thinking this way?

Groundworm

[Bonfire]

Good fight AngelSong. Doubt I could have taken you alone.

[AngelSong]

Wish:another time wheel turn on ^^

[Bonfire]

I'm out of this game. Real life is not allowing me to continue. I've sent in the current turn.

I'd recommend looking for a sub my position seems quite strong. I'm not currently at war with anyone. Hard to say without graphs on but I haven't seen anything to suggest a major research deficit and my province count seems respectable. My pretenders still dead but he was only really there to turbocharge expansion and forge a few boosters I was able to trade for anyway.

[Groundworm]

I'm sorry to hear it, Bonfire, but life does come first. Hope everything is all right, and you've been a welcome part of a good game.

I'll start looking for a sub for you, and will unfortunately have to delay hosting after this turn until such time as one is found.

[Groundworm]

Nikelaos is interested in subbing for Jomon. I've played with him before, and I'd like to let him replace Bonfire. Any objections?

[Nikelaos]

howdy folks,

Groundworm can you extend the timer a bit, I might not need it but I just opened my turn up and I'm a bit "HUR...DUR". I need to figure out what I've got here.

[Groundworm]

howdy folks,

Groundworm can you extend the timer a bit, I might not need it but I just opened my turn up and I'm a bit "HUR...DUR". I need to figure out what I've got here.

Absolutely. I'll extend the turn by 24 hours, take as much time as you need.

[Hrum]

Did anyone else not receive the turn file this turn? I checked Llamaserver, which is the only reason I knew that the turn had cycled (so I requested a turn resend for myself). If anyone else hasn't received their turn yet, please remember that you can have Llamaserver resend the turnfile to you.

[mockingbird]

So we have reached the critical point in this game. Abysia has over 50 provinces, over a dozen forts, and is likely the lead in research. And that was before Abysia finished knocking over Midgard. I don't believe that any of the rest of us anywhere close to that.

My fellow Pretenders, we have two choices: either we band together NOW, while we have a chance to stop Abysia, or we each give up on the possibility of becoming Pantokrator. This is the stark reality of the situation.

[Inindo]

What's a Pantokartor? Actually the rest of Midgard lands are already mostly spoken for by another nation. Interesting words though. To be fair 10 of those came the last 2 or so turns courtesy of Midard conquests after I managed to kill all the commanders of all his raiding forces and rout his leaderless skinshifters, besides, those 5 on the far coast bordering your lands are write offs since I will never be able to hold them against you once our war breaks out. I have to admit I do like castles in general, while you preferred to spend your gold bumping all your PD to 20, I spent mine on castles, helps to keep the heat in during the long winters. You yourself are hovering around 40 provinces a chunk of which also seem to have come the last 2 turns courtesy of Bogarus, no? And Tien chi is pretty big too just to be fair, although I'm not sure how big these days since my former scouts kept getting caught in the Bogarus-Tien Chi cross fire :P And don't hide all those Earth and Fire elemental kings you've summoned with your Forge lord god in that special province with what I'm guessing is bonus blood or nature site you have there. Not to mention I'm pretty sure you have most, if not all the demon lords as well since I don't have a single one. We shall just have to see if your Aegis/Crop of pain sickle wielding fallen angle can take my father Illearth in a death match!

[mockingbird]

You can try to muddy the waters all you want in a graphs off game, but when it comes right down to it, the facts are the facts.

You have over 50 provinces and a dozen castles (that you just crushed Midgard, a reasonably advanced nation themselves, and grabbed over 10 provinces in the space of but a few turns hardly is a good argument for your harmlessness). I know that I only have 35 provinces including the ones I just obtained from the dying Bogarus, and by my count no one else in the game has much more than that. Which means you have half again as much in the way of resources (gold, gems, troop and mage production centers) as anyone else.

Anyone else with halfway decent scouting can verify that this is the truth.

My fellow pretenders, if you're not scared of Abysia you should be. Because the way things are going Abysia is just going to pick us off one by one and then turn around and steamroll those who thought to profit in the short term from its conquests.

[Nikelaos]

can I request an extention, I'll probs only need like 6 extra hours at most

[Groundworm]

Sure, extension in place.

[Inindo]

Can we move to 48 Hour turns?

[Groundworm]

Done! 48 hour hosting enabled.

[Inindo]

Craaaaap just missed the turn deadline by like a minute. Can we roll back, I haven't looked at the next turn?

[Groundworm]

Rollbacks are a little touchy... what do the rest of the players think?

Personally, I have no opposition, but I don't want to make the decision for everyone.

[mockingbird]

I don't have a problem with it.

[Allium]

I don't much care, as long as it doesn't take too long to resolve.

[Groundworm]

Well, that's 4/7 players and constitutes a majority vote. Rollback incoming!

[Hrum]

Sorry for the late response, but yep, no objection here.

[Inindo]

Thanks everyone, i never opened the new turn so it shouldn't be any unfairness in the ongoing wars.

According to another game admin who had to roll back, no one else needs to submit their turn and you can just force host one the person who needed to submit has their turn in, the other turns should still be in the server. Afterwords, make sure to delete the old .2h file in your directory before you open up the new .trn file, don't just overwrite over the old one. Otherwise, it's possible that weird stuff like commanders changing their magic paths do to a lack of sanity checking in the Dom3 server code.

[mockingbird]

I hope my resending turn 56 didn't mess anything up, then.

Inindo, you sent in your turn, right? So we just need to have the turn forced?

[mockingbird]

Hi,

I just wanted to let everyone know that I will be on international travel Oct 2-11. I expect to have excellent internet access and plan to continue to submit my turns as usual. However, there is always the possibility of complications, so I wanted to let you all know in advance just in case.

Best regards,
Mockingbird

[mockingbird]

Did Jomon actually take a turn or did the game just cycle for some reason?

[Groundworm]

I'm presuming Jomon took a turn, though I haven't looked yet. I've been pretty good about delaying the game so Jomon doesn't stale until we find a sub.

[Allium]

Looks like Jomon staled.

[Inindo]

Um so do we just roll back and only let Jomon submit or just let it pass and wait to find another or what?

[Groundworm]

Just let it pass. I'll try to be more diligent about the turn timer. Sorry, work was really rough the past few days.

That being said... there seems to be absolutely no interest on anyone's part in subbing for Jomon, and I'm not certain what to do about that.

[Hylobius]

I'd be interested in playing Jomon if you are still looking for a substitute.

[Groundworm]

Absolutely! PM me your email address and you're in!

Thank you!

[Hylobius]

Hi guys,

I have just received the turn file for Jomon and Groundworm has given me 48 hours to figure out my position. I'd appreciate if the current players, particulary my neighbors, could let me know what to expect from them (NAP, war, etc.). A summary of current events would also be a big help. Thanks.

[mockingbird]

I just woke up and found a message from four hours ago saying that MonkeyParadise was about to cycle in six hours.

I think we all, especially our new Jomon replacement, need more time than that!

Please extend the turn.

[Hylobius]

When I received the Jomon turn the message said that turns were due 22:10 GMT on Tuesday October 5.

[Hylobius]

It is a little awkward subbing into a game with binding diplomacy without being able to verify with the previous player what agreements are in place. My first inclination is to offer everyone a NAP-3.

[Groundworm]

That's strange. Llamaserver agrees with Hylobius, that the next turn was due on Tues, Oct. 5. Nonetheless, I've extended the turn 48 hours beyond that, so everyone can feel free to take their time. I'll extend the turn farther if need be.

Hylobius, from my end: I've had no real diplomacy with Jomon at all this game.

[Hylobius]

I have spoken with my neighbors and most of the rest of the players in the game. I will of course be honoring the NAPs that the previous player had in place. I have decided to promise not to attack anyone for 3 turns while I become more familiar with the position. This is not an offer of NAPs, just a three turn break where I will only be defending myself. Diplomatic chanels will of course be open during this time. I'll try and finish off my turn tonight.

Jomon

[Hrum]

It looks like Hylobius hasn't submitted the turn for Jomon yet, and at this point we've only got less than 6 hours until it's set to cycle.

Maybe we should extend the turn to give him a chance to submit his turn..?

What do you guys think?

Personally, I'd hate to see a sub come in and do us a favor by taking over Jomon for us and not get a chance to submit his first turn (that nation already had one stale while we were looking for a sub).

If we extend the turn another 24 hours, will that be enough time for you Hylo?

[Hylobius]

Thanks, but I'm just finishing up now and will submit in time.

[Inindo]

It's a long weekend for me but I will try to get my turn in this turn but FYI just in case. Either this turn (if i don't make it) or the next one will need to be delayed till Tuesday please.

Marignon: I think I have finally broken even with you as far as removing SC's go now :) My first time ever having anything sent to the abyss, guess they randomly pop up if they survive long enough which was nice. The Aegis and sickle whose crop is pain is once more available if anyone can forge it.

[mockingbird]

Dear Fellow Monkey Appreciators:

Due to my travel schedule, I most likely will not be able to get my next turn in before sometime on Tuesday PST. Due to my utter confusion at this point about time zones, I am not sure if that is after the normal turn cycle deadline, but if it is, I would appreciate it if our dear moderator would be so kind as to extend the turn.

Thank you all for your understanding.

Mockingbird

[mockingbird]

It was but a false alarm; I got my turn in just fine. Airport internet to the rescue!

[Hrum]

Getting my turn in on time might be a little tough tonight - think I could get an extension?

6 hours would probably be plenty. I'll be getting home right around when the turn is due, so a few hours more should be fine.

[Groundworm]

Extension in place. It must be difficult having an actual empire to manage. :)

[Dark Kitty]

I've been beaten, congratulations to Tien Chi, your raiders were really difficult to deal with.

Good luck all :)

[Allium]

You put up a good fight. :) I wish I'd seen how your big attempt to break the siege actually went (I got the replay bug on that one) but I can guess from the results, which were a lot more expensive than I would have liked.

[Groundworm]

And I, too, have been finished off by Abysia. Well done, Abysia- the war against me was swift and deadly.

Good game all, and good luck to the rest of you!

[Inindo]

Good war. My offer stands if you are interested in taking over for me in this game. I'm not sure how much longer I will be able to continue playing.

[Dark Kitty]

Allium : Foul Vapors + Fire Storm + Wrathful Skies + Mists of Deception + one or two others and some massive evocations, I was just disappointed there were not more bodies on both sides :angel

[Groundworm]

I appreciate the offer, Inindo, but I don't think it would be a good idea for me to take over Abysia. For one, I think I have too much inside information to the other nations left in the game. More importantly, I don't think I have the time or the interest to assimilate your massive empire, which is also far more advanced in research and summoned units than anything I've ever played with in Dominions.

If you need a sub, let me know and we can try to find one.

[mockingbird]

I regret to inform you all that I unexpectedly will not have internet access for most of this weekend (Oct 23-24, PST). I would like to request a turn extension, please.

[Inindo]

Yeah, guess with mockingbird's extension, now is probably a good time to find a sub. Sorry for having to drop out everyone. But is has been a blast.

I would be more than happy to give a detailed summary of where Abysia is to the sub as of turn 66 when you find one. Just tell them to message me.

Thanks for a great game everyone and a great war Mockingbird. Hopefully my sub can be as much of a headache for you as I was :)

[mockingbird]

I'm sorry to see you go, but I understand. It's been great fun, even if it has involved being slowly crushed in your iron fist. :)

Hopefully we'll see each other again in the world of Dominions.

[Groundworm]

Excellent game, Inindo, and thank you for playing as long as possible. I will extend the current turn indefinitely while we look for a sub.

[Hylobius]

Thanks for playing Inindo.

[Hylobius]

Any word on a sub for Abysia?

[Groundworm]

Sorry, I've been slacking on this, but will get to it now.

[Groundworm]

It's now been over a week that we're looking for a sub, and there has been absolutely no interest despite multiple bumps and pleas. I am not sure what to do about this. Any suggestions?

[Hylobius]

It really would be nice to finish this game somehow.

[Hrum]

Sorry I haven't been posting much. Work got crazy busy, so while I've been sad that Inindo couldn't continue as Abysia (seriously GG, Dude), and that the game has been on hold while we (hopefully?) sort out a stand-in, the timing was kind of good for me what with stuff being nuts.

Given that Groundworm is out of this game as a player, I think he's been doing a fine job trying to track down a sub, but I guess it's probably hard to find new players out there who are willing to take over for this one. Abysia is so well established and the game is obviously drawing toward a close - I guess it isn't easy to step in and take over a nation that large and advanced, with large and advanced opponents.

Seems to me we have 3 options:


1. Keep waiting and searching for a new-ish player to sub for Abysia.

If choosing this option, we should probably choose a timelimit. And if we're going to do this one of the remaining players should probably take this over from Groundworm. He's done a fine job, but I don't think it would be right for us to expect him to continue to cast about looking for subs for us in a game in which he's no longer playing.


2. Accept non-newb subs (even vets?).

This could be rough for those that are at war with Abysia or might soon be (or, well, everyone, since Abysia has a commanding position with a decent chance of victory in the hands of a skilled newb, nevermind a vet). However, it does increase the likelihood that we could find a sub and avoid the 3rd option...


3. Set Abysia AI.

This option really has one main selling point: We get to go on with the game. No more waiting.


Of course, I still have a bit of a crazy week at work and in RL in general, so I'm cool with not making up our minds until next week. :)

What're your thoughts? Are there other options that I'm not thinking of? What're everyone's preferences?

[Hylobius]

Putting Abysia in the hands of a veteran would be pretty deadly. Perhaps we could lean on Groundworm or the other players who have been eliminated to pick up Abysia. Setting Abysia AI would be a last resort.

[Groundworm]

I considered taking over for Abysia, but I decided that it was something I just don't want to do. My apologies to the rest of you, but I'm not that experienced with the Dominions endgame. I'm reaching the endgame in another game I've been playing from the beginning, and it's fun but very taxing to my poor inferior brain. I can't imagine how I'd begin to assimilate a nation as big as Abysia from the ground up.

So, my apologies, but I must continue to decline. :(

[Groundworm]

Though I'm giving up hope that anyone is interested, I'm bumping the thread to catch some more eyes. Still looking for an Abysia sub.

Thanks!

[Allium]

Can you edit the thread title?

[Korwin]

I don't have any experience with CBM and with Abysia.
Will give it a try, would be a shame if the AI had to take over.

I send Groundworm the Email-Adress?
When is the turn due?

[mockingbird]

I'm very pleased that you're willing to step in and take a shot at this. I was beginning to resign myself to this game stagnating. I think we'll all need a little time to get up to speed with the game again, but you'll want to get the detailed briefing from Inindo if possible.

You know, so you can rule the world. Evil laugh sold separately.

[Korwin]

Got the Prep-talk from Inindo.

As for evil laughter, I'll use my GM laughter... :evil:

[Hylobius]

Take your time Korwin. I picked up Jomon recently and it was a little overwhelming. Don't kick our butts too badly right away. Thanks for picking up Abysia.

[Hrum]

Got the Prep-talk from Inindo.

As for evil laughter, I'll use my GM laughter... :evil:

Muahahaha! (?)

Seriously, Korwin, thanks for sub-ing for Abysia. Inindo did a great job of getting his nation into a dominating position and it would've been sad to see Abysia get taken over by the AI.

We all appreciate you helping us see this game through to the bitter end.

And now, I must go try to remember what the heck I was doing in this game... :confused:

[Korwin]

Hope I didnt make an to big of an mess for Abysia.
But done is done, turn was sent...

Edit: I hope somebody did something against Marignons Forge of the Ancients...

[Hrum]

Sorry for slacking on getting my turn in. Been dealing with a whole bunch of RL this week.

I'll submit my turn tonight.

[Korwin]

That last turn hurt. I was a little in shock.

Should submit the new turn in the evening (MET).

[Korwin]

So I think I got into my nation and I know what I will do in the future.
Could we shorten the time between hosting? 240 hours is a little long...
(I know I was the last this turn, but future turn will be faster :) )

Edit: Reminder E-Mails are at 6 hours, is that as intended?

Edit2: Whoohoo, Force of the Ancients was dispelled! :)

[mockingbird]

I don't have a problem with reducing the cycle time, although I'd like it to be no less than 96 hours.

I'll probably still be the first one to submit a turn 95% of the time, though. ;)

Also, since I've never cast Astral Corruption before, I don't know whether you get to see the battles thus induced, but in case you missed it, you managed to cause my first Doom Horror attack in a multiplayer game.

Congratulations. :(

[Korwin]

No didn't see it :(

[Allium]

I'm fine with a shorter turn timer.

[Hylobius]

I'm also fine with a shorter turn around.

[Hylobius]

Jomon terminates it's NAP with Abysia.

[Korwin]

Jomon terminates it's NAP with Abysia.

per your PM to me, we have an NAP +5.
Its turn 73, so Orders to attack can be given in turn 78 and fights from that order would be in turn 79.
Correct?

--
Abysia

[Hylobius]

Agreed.

Jomon terminates it's NAP with Abysia.

per your PM to me, we have an NAP +5.
Its turn 73, so Orders to attack can be given in turn 78 and fights from that order would be in turn 79.
Correct?

--
Abysia

[Hrum]

I submitted my turn a couple of hours ago, and the turn apparently still hasn't cycled. And now it's occuring to me, maybe I was supposed to patch my Dom3 install to 3.26?

Does anyone know if patching is necessary to keep using Llamaserver, or can we keep using 3.24 since that's what this MonkeyParadise began with?

[Allium]

You do need to patch, but that shouldn't affect the turn you sent in:


Anyway:
- The server is now upgraded to 3.26. Hooray! This is an excellent patch for modding. :)
- You can send turns in using either version. You will get no problems either way.
- When you get new turns back from the server, you will only be able to open them with 3.26. If you try to open them using 3.24 then dominions will tell you to upgrade (like Executor said, I think).
- Basically it is impossible to do anything wrong. :)

[Hrum]

Hmm... Still, all the .2h files are submitted, but >12 hours later the turn hasn't cycled. Can the admin try to force the turn to cycle?

Any ideas?

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Ignore this. Shouldn't post when I'm no completely awake yet.

[Allium]

It is intolerable to Tien Chi for anyone to cast Arcane Corruption. Accordingly, Tien Chi declares war on Abysia.

[Korwin]

double post

[Korwin]

We are sad about that double standard employed by Tien Chi.
Forge of the Ancients, etc. from Marignon wasnt an reason to war?
I was only acting in self defence.

Anyway shouldnt have that war declaration have come before your attack?
(Did we have an harbor in that province? Anyway we will call it Pearl Province...)

Vengeance is on the way.



OOC: Looks like I'll be shortly on war footing with the rest of the world (except Mictlan). As second strongest nation (at least thats my impression) :rolleyes:

[Allium]

Tien Chi has a single standard: Forge of the Ancients does not interfere with the actions of our mages. Arcane Corruption does.

If the declaration arrived before the attack, then it would not be a surprise, now would it?

(Actually, I was going to send it in game simultaneously with the attack, but, er, I forgot.)

[Hylobius]

A minor clarification, Jomon has terminated our NAP with Abysia, we have not declared war. However, I tend to agree with TC about those globals.

[Korwin]

Forge of the Ancients got dispelled by my Astral Corruption.
Astral Nexus by Marignon is still up. And if you think it doesnt hurt you in the long term, you are badly mistaken...

Since nobody dispelled those globals, I had to take desperate measures.

@Yomon if you are terminating the NAP, I see it as an declaration of war in X turns.

But to see the brighter side, hopefully I get more successes in Tien Chi than in Marignon :D

[Allium]

Oh, I'll agree Arcane Nexus is more powerful than Astral Corruption. But Astral Corruption is much more annoying.

[Korwin]

The really bad thing is, it doesnt hurt Marignon much...
Hey Marignon, how about a cease fire until we have eaten Jomon and T'ien Chi?

[mockingbird]

The really bad thing is, it doesnt hurt Marignon much...
Hey Marignon, how about a cease fire until we have eaten Jomon and T'ien Chi?

Thanks for the offer, but no. We don't really like Astral Corruption either.

[Allium]

I've now taken over adminning the game from Groundworm. (He thought he'd already given it to me, and I thought he was still doing it...) I've lowered the turn timer to 1 week for now. Should it be shorter?

[mockingbird]

This game is really dragging. I'd suggest reducing the turn time to four days. Any objections?

[Korwin]

No objections from me.

So I think I got into my nation and I know what I will do in the future.
Could we shorten the time between hosting? 240 hours is a little long...
(I know I was the last this turn, but future turn will be faster :) )

Edit: Reminder E-Mails are at 6 hours, is that as intended?

Edit2: Whoohoo, Force of the Ancients was dispelled! :)

[Hrum]

Things have gotten somewhat crazy for me at work so 4 days might be a little rough for me. Would 5 or 6 days work?

I know it's not fair to you guys (specifically those of you who are really good about getting your turns in early) to have the game drag on like this, but I think 5 or 6 days would be a dramatic improvement on the 10 day cycle we've been running, while still giving people enough time to deal with our increasingly complex turns.

[Korwin]

Jomon may need an extension?

[Allium]

Turn extended by 24 hours. Turn timer for future turns set to 5 days.

[Hylobius]

Sorry for the delay, my turn is in now.

A shorter turn-around would be better for me. I tend to lose interest with a really long turn-around.

[Korwin]

Bad turn for me... again...

[Allium]

Heh, a whole fort full of mages to pick on, and the succubus decided to go after my bane lord thug instead. There goes one demon that wasn't paying attention in seduction class.

[Korwin]

At least it was the game in that case, which fuclced up. Not I myself...

[Hrum]

FYI, I noticed that Jomon and Abysia haven't submitted their turns yet, and since we've only got about 4 hours left on this turn I asked the admin to extend this turn another 24 hours.

Please let us know if you guys need more time than that.

[Hrum]

Just a reminder, only 8 hours left on this turn.

Admin, could we maybe change the warning emails from 6 hours before when the turn is due, to 24 hours?

[Allium]

Sure.

[Hrum]

FYI, I'll be travelling out of town this weekend. I don't think it will affect my ability to get my turns in as I should have Internet access, but I wanted to give you a heads up.

[Korwin]

Should be able to get my turn in after work, no need to extend the turn if I should be the last one...

[mockingbird]

Due to travel, I may need extra time to get this turn in.

[Allium]

Turn extended 24 hours.

[Allium]

Uh, Korwin? Are you going to get your turn in?

[Hrum]

I think Allium probably means Hylobius (Jomon). Llamaserver lists everyone else as having submitted their 2H files.

How about it Jomon? You need an extension?

[Korwin]

I did mine (yesterday), jomon is still missing.

[Korwin]

Ninjaed by ~8 hours.

BTW. Jomon stalled the last 3 turns. Just noticed.

[Allium]

Oops, sorry about the mistake. Turn extended again.

[Hylobius]

I'm sorry guys but RL is a mess right now. It might be best if you tried to find a sub.

Jomon

[Allium]

All right then, I'll start looking for a sub. I hope things get better for you, Hylobius.

[Hrum]

I take it the search for a sub continues..?

Since the turn is scheduled to cycle in less than 24 hours, should we extend the timer and maybe also turn off quick host?

Presumably whomever takes over (once someone is found) will need some time to familiarize themselves with the lay of the land...

[Korwin]

How interested are you all in continuing this game, I'm pretty clueless in the subject of stoping Marignon.
I would agree to declare Marignon the winner...
Opinions?

[mockingbird]

I for one support our Marignon overlords.

[Allium]

Since noone's jumping at the chance to sub in for Jomon, and since actually proving whether or not Marignon is beatable would take months more, I'm willing to call it here if noone objects.

[Hrum]

I was just waiting to hear from Allium actually. I don't object to proclaiming Marignon victor.

Congratulations Mockingbird. :)

[mockingbird]

It feels a bit anticlimactic, but go me, I guess. :)