order of battle

[Roman]

Where I can get an order of battle at battalion level? infantry battalion and / or panzer battalion. I only managed at the division level.
In this post, Brian has an interesting order of battle. But I find many Panzer IV tanks. And change the panzer III by those of 38t. Do not know what you think.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45752

It's for a long campaign with Germany.
Thanks in advance

[Cross]

Here's the best resource I am aware of for the detailed composition of most types of infantry and Recon battalions, and includes armoured and Panzer recon battalions for all the major powers:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/General/site_map.htm/


Cross

[Brian61]

The bayonetstrength link above is broken :(

[Roman]

Ok. Thanks Cross. Will this link?
http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/General/site_map.htm
The fact that you spent is broken.
Regards

Very good site. What I see is that is more oriented to infantry units and motorized and mechanized infantry.
Very good.

[Mobhack]

You would think that there would be loads of info on that, but there is not really much on GE WW2 tank bn organisation. Plenty on the toys, of course.

http://www.mchome.net/dirk/weirdwars/organization/german_organization.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/germpzregimentsbarb.pdf

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/toe.htm

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b3W1tiuHzcoC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=panzer+battalion+organisation&source=bl&ots=r51VIAK5sB&sig=XEzxdZHExyA_zWVdEv7KtrsdmU0&hl=en&ei=y_lqTPqIOIuRjAfb9p11&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDcQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=panzer%20battalion%20organisation&f=false

- for whatever value you make of web sources.

For the Germans - it was really a case of whatever was available to hand. TO&E charts were simply administrative theory, and if you want the specifics of a particular formation at a certain date then you really have to research their war diaries, returns of strength forms etc.

Andy

[Roman]

Thanks for the info.
You are about to turn me into something I did not want to be, a historical revisionist :).
But it is very interesting.
Thanks

[m10bob]

You would think that there would be loads of info on that, but there is not really much on GE WW2 tank bn organisation. Plenty on the toys, of course.

http://www.mchome.net/dirk/weirdwars/organization/german_organization.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/germpzregimentsbarb.pdf

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/toe.htm

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b3W1tiuHzcoC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=panzer+battalion+organisation&source=bl&ots=r51VIAK5sB&sig=XEzxdZHExyA_zWVdEv7KtrsdmU0&hl=en&ei=y_lqTPqIOIuRjAfb9p11&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDcQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=panzer%20battalion%20organisation&f=false

- for whatever value you make of web sources.

For the Germans - it was really a case of whatever was available to hand. TO&E charts were simply administrative theory, and if you want the specifics of a particular formation at a certain date then you really have to research their war diaries, returns of strength forms etc.

Andy



An old thread but I am catching up.

Andy is so right..The first "German" tank my dad saw behind the Omaha Beachhead was a black in color M4 Sherman, which had been captured in Africa. (It had of course been knocked out by its' original owners.);)

[Cross]

Found another good source for Allied OOB:

http://www.warestablishments.net/


And here's a good link for the Bayonetstrength site that had a broken link earlier in the thread:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/



Cross

[gila]

You would think that there would be loads of info on that, but there is not really much on GE WW2 tank bn organisation. Plenty on the toys, of course.

http://www.mchome.net/dirk/weirdwars/organization/german_organization.htm

http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/germpzregimentsbarb.pdf

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/toe.htm

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b3W1tiuHzcoC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=panzer+battalion+organisation&source=bl&ots=r51VIAK5sB&sig=XEzxdZHExyA_zWVdEv7KtrsdmU0&hl=en&ei=y_lqTPqIOIuRjAfb9p11&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDcQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=panzer%20battalion%20organisation&f=false

- for whatever value you make of web sources.

For the Germans - it was really a case of whatever was available to hand. TO&E charts were simply administrative theory, and if you want the specifics of a particular formation at a certain date then you really have to research their war diaries, returns of strength forms etc.

Andy



An old thread but I am catching up.

Andy is so right..The first "German" tank my dad saw behind the Omaha Beachhead was a black in color M4 Sherman, which had been captured in Africa. (It had of course been knocked out by its' original owners.);)

A black Sherman with the cross would be a rare pic indeed!
Which reference is that?

[Rosollia]

Charred M4´s tend to look black. ;)

[gila]

Yep, and the few the germans managed to capture in africa ended up burnt and crispy! maybe by the same german crews that had no faith in the ronson lighter:)