Waspworld (NEWBIE GAME), running

[Groundworm]

I've played in 3 multiplayer Dominions games, so I still classify myself as pretty new. Trying to find people with similar amounts of experience. First-time players are welcome, as are people with a little more experience- say at most 10 MP games.

Era: late age
newbs only
8 players
mods: CBM 1.6
map: Shahrivar (no special sites)
disallowed nations: R'lyeh, Atlantis
site frequency: 45
score graphs off
hall of fame: 15 entries
renaming on
diplomacy is binding

Turns will initially be on a 24-hour timer, and will be increased as requested. Extensions will also be granted as needed (though hopefully not frequently).

1) Bogarus- Groundworm
2) Mictlan- mockingbird
3) Ermor- puntocom
4) C'tis- Allium
5) Pythium- Ragnars Wolves
6) Agartha- Fantomen
7) Caelum- Marmaduke
8) Man- camobeercan

[mockingbird]

I'd like to play as Mictlan, please.

[puntocom]

Hello!

I will play with Ermor.

[Allium]

Please sign me up as Atlantis.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Let me try Pythium:eek:

[Ragnars Wolves]

Just a thought...if you only have 1 underwater nation, they have for the most part unrestricted expansion and the security of water. From what I understand, whenever this map is played (and it iS a GREAT map) there usually are no water nations allowed.

Just an opinion, your game.

Also, Thank you for having a game with CBM 1.6 and not 10 other new mods I know nothing about.

[mockingbird]

If it's not too much trouble, would you mind putting in a link to the map on the first post? Thanks.

I presume this will be on llamaserver?

[Allium]

I'm willing to change to C'tis if the water thing is a problem.

[Groundworm]

Welcome, everybody! I've updated the first post to include you all.

Ragnars Wolves- you raise a good point, and I appreciate you speaking your mind on it. I don't know if a water nation would be overpowered or not, but there is that possibility. And since Allium is considerate and agreeable enough to change to C'tis, this problem is solved. Thanks to you both.

mockingbird: I have linked the map in the first post as requested. And yes, I'm using llamaserver as the host.

I'm quite pleased at the people we've got involved in this game so far, and look forward to playing with you. :)

[Fantomen]

I'm not a newbie I guess, but I have played in less than 10 MP games. If you'd have me I'll play Agartha.

[Allium]

Uh, I don't think that's the right map file. The original is here: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=6386&d=1214247273

I think this is the map file that's up on llamaserver as shahrivar_nosites, but as you have the original I don't think we actually need that since only the server looks at it:

[mockingbird]

That map crashes out Dominions for me. Any ideas what might be wrong?

[Allium]

(Pokes around in file). Ah, the image file name didn't match. I fixed it.

[Ragnars Wolves]

We all have to have the same version.....the one he is talking about is Shawriver...The Sombre Version.

You may have fixed it but it may have unbalanced stats etc. If you go to maps it should be listed there.

[Groundworm]

Thanks for uploading that map file, Allium. I don't know why it crashed on mockingbird's machine when it worked on mine, but hopefully this solves the problem.

Ragnar- I think the version that Allium posted is the Sombre version that was edited by Squirreloid to remove the unbalanced sited.

Fantomen, welcome aboard. Happy to have someone with a little more experience- maybe I'll learn a thing or two by watching how you play. At the very least- you get to deal with Ermor. :)

[puntocom]

You can be calm Groundworm, this will be my first time with Ermor xD

[Marmaduke]

Hello, I would like to try Caelum.

[Groundworm]

Fair enough, puntocom. Marmaduke, welcome.

One more spot!

[Allium]

Thanks for uploading that map file, Allium. I don't know why it crashed on mockingbird's machine when it worked on mine, but hopefully this solves the problem.

Ragnar- I think the version that Allium posted is the Sombre version that was edited by Squirreloid to remove the unbalanced sited.

Yeah, I just changed it to look for a graphic file named Shahrivar Som.tga instead of Shahrivar_Som.tga

[Ragnars Wolves]

Even better...thanks Allium, tht is one of my favorite SP maps and if it is better now, Yippeeee

[Fantomen]

Fantomen, welcome aboard. Happy to have someone with a little more experience- maybe I'll learn a thing or two by watching how you play. At the very least- you get to deal with Ermor. :) Great, happy to be in!

It was actually me who uploaded the sharival_nosites.map to llamaserver. If that's the one we're using, everyone needs a tga file named Shahrivar_Som.tga. You can just make a copy of the other sharivar tga and rename it.

Changing the path in the .map file on your own computer will only solve the problem for SP tests but not for the actual mp game, since it is the .map file on llamaserver that is used in that case.

[Groundworm]

So... I'm confused. I've got a working file of Shahrivar with no sites locally on my computer (actually, I have 2). But when I'm putting the game up on llamaserver, which map file do I need to use? I don't think the ones currently on llamaserver have the no-site version of Shahrivar.

Should I upload one of my copies that works to llamaserver?

Edit: never mind, I just noticed the Shahrivar: nosites map on llamaserver. Will that work?

[Fantomen]

Edit: never mind, I just noticed the Shahrivar: nosites map on llamaserver. Will that work?

It will as long as all players have the Shahrivar_Som.tga

[camobeercan]

Hey, if the last spot is still open I'm in as Man. I'm playing Troubling Times right now and it's the first MP game I've been involved in.

[Groundworm]

The last spot is closed, I'm afraid. camobeercan took it! Welcome to the game! :)

I'll put up the game now, start uploading your pretenders!

[Ragnars Wolves]

I see a Nation called Chelms in the list of Nations with the pretenders sent in....What is Chelms? Are we playing modded nations that no one knows about?

[Allium]

Chelms = LA Man

[Ragnars Wolves]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh:doh:

[Ragnars Wolves]

Have we lost Mockingbird somewhere (Mictlan), or maybe he is out of town etc?

[Groundworm]

I will check with mockingbird and see what's going on. Will post with more information.

[Fantomen]

Holy cockslapping mother of disneyfied christ, this is taking forever!

let's just find another player instead if mockingbird doesn't answer.

[Groundworm]

The fault was mine, not mockingbird's. He responded promptly to my message, but I had to work last night and did not have time to post.

mockingbird is out of town for the weekend. He will upload his pretender and we can start the game when he returns.

I realize that we all want to get the game started (I am no exception!), but I don't think this is an unreasonable delay, given the holiday.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Would you please wait until Monday to start the game....After some lengthy playing as Pythium in LA,,,,I just don't see ANY way to get by Ermor with that nation (now I know why it is banned in LA sometimes).

I think I will chage to Abysia (another weak nation but it can hold its own agianst them I rhink. I just need to figure out the pretender.

Thanks....Ragnar

[GrudgeBringer]

sigh...nevermind, I will just take my whoopin. The Abysia I know is EA.

[Allium]

You might not even start out near Ermor, there are 6 other players after all.

Uh, why are you posting as Grudgebringer?

[Ragnars Wolves]

GrudgeBringer is my Stepdad, my wife and I live on his property in the guest house. We where over there and I was talking to him about changing my pick in my first MP game and he informed me that Abysia didn't have a LA nation.

Soooo, in case Morningstar got back in town and got his pretender in I just jumped on his computer and posted without thinking So I wouldn't hold up the game. And for the next question.....NO, he will not be helping me. In fact we have a $20dollar bet on how long I last in this game.

However, that does bring up a point and I guess I should have made it clear up front. The powers that be at Dom3 have approved it and if you ask anyone that knows GrudgeBringer, he is like a Palidin in a rpg game. NEVER breaks his word and plays the Lawful good to the max. ( I find it amusing, but he is well respected on here...check his friends list).

I have a different E-mail address but play off his computer by wireless. It is a strange situation, I can post on his comp but it comes up as GrudgeBringer. HOWEVER, because the turns are sent to MY comp on MY Gmail account, he can't see the turns and I can't do the turns from his comp. In other words we are seperate enities except for the fact that we are both logged in to Dom on the same account (so to speak) but have different E-mail address.

Hope that puts everyone at ease. It will be a Loooooog while before I try and take on the Old Man in the same game, I assure you.

If anyone has a problem or question you can PM me or for that matter PM him, like I said he ALWAYS takes the high road.:o

[Fantomen]

Nice try Grudge.

:lol

[Ragnars Wolves]

This is exactly why my stepdad didn't want me playing on his account by wireless.

First, I take offense that you don't believe me. Why would I lie? To play in a game with all new guys (except you who has 10 games by your own admission under your belt).

Second, I also take offense that you would think Grudgebringer would do that in the first place. You must not have played with him before to say that. And if you REALLY think this is some kind of evil plot so that he could play and win a game agianst new guys.....take it up with him (and then I'm SURE I will hear about it in no uncertain terms). Besides, if you know him you know he ALWAYS plays Arco.

If this brings a cloud over your game Groundworm, I apologize and will bow out. But your welcome to check with the people who run Dom as we had to clear it with them before we could do this (Annette I think was her name).

Let me know what you want me to do Groundworm.

[Groundworm]

Easy, Ragnar... sounds to me like Fantomen was just giving you some good-natured ribbing.

Abysia does have a late age nation, Blood of Humans. But my advice is to pick one nation, and try to develop a strategy for it. Since you've chosen Pythium and it sounds like you've got some field testing done with them in single player, work with it and see what you can do.

You probably won't win the game, but you'll almost definitely learn something.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Sorry, I may be a might touchy as I had a rather 'long' conversation about playing this game with my stepdad and the ramifacations it could have on him before I joined this. He mentioned he knew of 2 sets of brothers playing but not on the same type hook up.

Only because Dom gave thier permission did he allow it and my stupidity of using his computer to leave a message never occured to me that it would show his name. NOW, I have to hear it from him also.

Sorry Fantoman if you where just messin with me or my dad and you guys are friends.

All I want to do is play the game, take my lumps and come back for more (but better prepared)/ Pythium is a neat nation for SP as I have found out. But I am not skilled enough yet to counter the counters (if that makes sense).

When your ready...let er rip

[Marmaduke]

I don't know about the GrudgeBringer/Ragnar thing (on the Internet nobody knows I'm a dog), but why is Pythium especially bad vs Ermor? Out of the box, they have level 2 priests with nature (no need for supplies) and solid melee troops to shield the priests while mass banishments take place.
I have yet to play my first MP game on this forum, but I was under the impression that in Dom3 the metagame replaces gameplay balance, i.e. everybody knows Ermor cannot be allowed to grow and gangs on him asap with armies of priests.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Don't worry about it I was just whining as I have never played agianst Ermor as this is my first MP and not even in SP. I'll figure something out.

[Fantomen]

This is exactly why my stepdad didn't want me playing on his account by wireless.

First, I take offense that you don't believe me. Why would I lie? To play in a game with all new guys (except you who has 10 games by your own admission under your belt).

Second, I also take offense that you would think Grudgebringer would do that in the first place. You must not have played with him before to say that. And if you REALLY think this is some kind of evil plot so that he could play and win a game agianst new guys.....take it up with him (and then I'm SURE I will hear about it in no uncertain terms). Besides, if you know him you know he ALWAYS plays Arco.

If this brings a cloud over your game Groundworm, I apologize and will bow out. But your welcome to check with the people who run Dom as we had to clear it with them before we could do this (Annette I think was her name).

Let me know what you want me to do Groundworm.

Excuse me, I was in IRC thug mode ;)

I do believe you and I don't want to hurt anyones feelings or imply that Grudgebringer is anything but honest and ever so polite and humble.

It just looked soo damn funny, you have to admit that. :D

[puntocom]

Hey,

if there is a problem with Ermor, i will change it. I only want to play now xD.

[Groundworm]

mockingbird should have his pretender in tomorrow, at which point I'll start the game.

puntocom, no problem with Ermor. If there was, I would have disallowed them along with R'lyeh!

So, Ragnar, is that you who's in as Arcoscephale? Are you playing them instead of Pythium? (I ask out of curiosity, and so I know whether to remove the Pythium pretender submitted)

[Ragnars Wolves]

NO, I am going to stay Pythium (I stayed up toooooo late screwing around with it last night to change now), thanks for checking though.

And Fantoman, yes, you are right, it DID look and sound funny as I look back at it. I guess I was sensitive to the discussion I had with GB about this very thing and after screwing up and using his computer....

It was like this whole damn thing was scripted JUST the way he said he didn't want it to happen, and I was waiting for the other shoe to drop (or worse, he cut me off of his internet connection as I am in Grad school and money is REAL hard to come by right now). We discussed this last night and he said if you where serious you would have gone to him (as Sept somebody did on the Traitors game (which is the game he wanted me to start with) as this guy knew the IP address right off since GB has been on 2 winning teams in Noobs vs Vets).

He also said that from all he has heard, you were a good guy and told me to just be up front and things will work out and that I wouldn't be around long enough for them to even notice me (grrrrrrrrrrr).

Thanks for responding, we BOTH appreciate it.

Rags

[Groundworm]

So... if Ragnar didn't upload an Arcoscephale pretender, who did?

[Ragnars Wolves]

It wasn't me as I stayed with Pythium.

My folks are over for dinner and my dad is standing right over my shoulder. He said that in a game that he had played in a year or so ago, some new guy kept sending in a pretender (hijacking the game) thinking that all you had to do to play was send in the pretender without being accepted. He says that it happened 3 times before the right guy could get his in and the game started.

I don't have any idea if this is the case, but I have been on some gamesites where you just log into the game when they start one to play without saying anything, the first 5 or 8 (or whatever) that log in play. If it isn't Morningstar can you just kick it out and have him load?

[mockingbird]

I just tried to upload my pretender and the upload failed due to the game being full.

Did the moderator decide to boot me after all due to my late submission?

[Fantomen]

It happens sometimes that some clueless nutjob joins games without asking. The admin can just remove it.

[Groundworm]

The admin has removed it. mockingbird, you should be able to send in your pretender now.

[Ragnars Wolves]

I have received my turn and loaded it with no problem. However, when I try and play it I get a german sounding name (nagot nik Fel...sorry too lazy to go back and write down the correct error), and says a need the map Shawriver_som.tga.

Now I have D/L the map on the fist page here and EVERY Shawriver map I could find. If someone would be kind enough to post the right map I will have my turn in quickly.

Thanks:confused:

[Fantomen]

I have received my turn and loaded it with no problem. However, when I try and play it I get a german sounding name (nagot nik Fel...sorry too lazy to go back and write down the correct error), and says a need the map Shawriver_som.tga.

Now I have D/L the map on the fist page here and EVERY Shawriver map I could find. If someone would be kind enough to post the right map I will have my turn in quickly.

Thanks:confused:

"Något gick fel" is swedish and means "something went wrong", and it's the general error alert of dom3.

Regarding the map. There is nothing wrong with your .tga file except that it has the wrong name. You need to rename it exactly: Shahrivar_Som.tga

[GrudgeBringer]

OK, remembering that I am not the most astute person when it comes to computers, I THINK I know what a TGA file is (or at least have seen it when D/L maps), but I have never (in my short career on here) had to CHANGE anything.

So I ask this, Do I go in and change the TGA on the map I got from the link on the first page (remember, I have D/L like 4 maps called Shawriver so this is important to tell me exactly which map to change)?

If so, is this the 'balanced map with preset starting positions?

Sorry if I seem a little afraid to touch anything, but it has been my expieriance that I tend to change things for the worse.

Ok I am on my way home and will try that and will respond from my Comp.

Thanks for trying to help me and be patiant as I will try anything you ask.:eek:

Rags

[Allium]

In your \dominions3\maps\ folder should be a file called Shahrivar Som.tga (and also one or more files called Shahrivar Som.map or something like that, but you don't need to touch them.) Make a copy of that file, and change the name of the copy to Shahrivar_Som.tga

[Ragnars Wolves]

OK, I am home and went in and changed the tga file (ONLY) on the map file called Sharivar Som.tga TO Shariver_Som.tga and it did not work.

Now, remember I have 4 different Shahrivar maps (2 from sombre and another one called balanced along with the one I just changed).

It did not work, but I also did not change any other file except the tga file.

Any suggestions?

(Sorry guys about the GrudgeBringer thing agian, I was making sure my folks didn't have toooo much food in the fridge and just jumped on his comp. Will try and watch it in the future:doh:

[Allium]

Last time I had this error I hadn't updated Dominions to the right version (3.24). You've got the CBM mod installed and active, right? Beyond that I don't know.

[Ragnars Wolves]

CBM 1.6 is installed and activated.

However, where do I look to see if I have 3.24 installed?

[puntocom]

Hello!

I had the same problem that Ragnar, and the solution was renaming the map. Try that.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Rename the Map to what? I did rename the tga part so what other part do I need to rename and what name should I use?

With your guys help I am getting somewhere!!:up:

[Allium]

Version # is in lower left corner of the startup screen.

[Ragnars Wolves]

I just saw that, thanks. Yes I am at 3.24 (Arrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh, I HATE dealing with computers)

[puntocom]

Hi,

i downloaded the maps: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//atta...6&d=1214247273 ,
and renamed the file "Shahrivar Som.tga" to "Shahrivar_Som.tga"
and "Shahrivar Som.map" to "Shahrivar_Som.map".

You tried that?

[Fantomen]

OK, I am home and went in and changed the tga file (ONLY) on the map file called Sharivar Som.tga TO Shariver_Som.tga and it did not work.

Now, remember I have 4 different Shahrivar maps (2 from sombre and another one called balanced along with the one I just changed).

It did not work, but I also did not change any other file except the tga file.


ALL those Shahrivar tga:s are EXACTLY the same file. All you need to do is change the file name of any one of them to EXACTLY: Shahrivar_Som.tga

My guess is you simply spelled it wrong, just like you did in the post above.

Any .map files are completely irrelevant, you don't even need to have one when playing MP, just the tga.

[Ragnars Wolves]

I also saw I misspelled Shahrivar in one of my posts so that isn't an issue (but thanks for pointing that out, it sure could have been).

Here is what I have done and the results.

1. I used the map on the front page as the prototype. I cut and pasted it into the map section, extrated and then took all the files out and left them free standing in the map file (as I do all the others).

2. I changed that one file and added the underscore EXACTLY as indicated but no luck. In fact just to check something after I changed it I went back in and tried to start a new game using all of the the Sharivar maps and it would not come up with the message "can't find Shahrivar Som.tga". So changing it messed up the rest of the maps.

SO, it seems somewhere along the line I have a choice as my computer is NOT accepting the change (and I had my wife looking over my shoulder to make sure I didn't make an error). I can either keep screwing around doing the same thing and expecting different results (which according to Einstein would mean I am insane).


OR, I can delete ALL my Shahrivar maps that I have played SP on and start over with one map (which I don't know that I trust the map on the first page to be that map).

OR, I can withdraw as I honestly don't want to delete all the maps I have. It seems that everyone else is ok except me and I am doing (I promise you) EXACTLY what Fantoman said to do. Problem is, I KNOW he knows what to do and somewhere along the line I am just screwing it up but for the life of me (and my wife who read his directions also) I can't get it to work.

I need to get away from this for 1/2 hour before I throw it out a window.

I will check back for a concensus in a few minutes.

Sorry guys for the holdup:mad:

[camobeercan]

All you have to do is change the name of the tga file you downloaded to Shahrivar_Som.tga . I had the same problem you did but that fixed it immediately, and it solves the problem with all possible versions of the Shahrivar map. All these complicated steps you're taking seem unnecessary.

[Allium]

Here's my working copy of the map, it's all I can think of at this point. If that doesn't fix it, then the map might not be your problem.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Thanks Allium...you may be right.

I really appreciate it!!

Will let you know in 5 mintes



EDIT....that worked...you da man!!

Thanks Agian

Rags

[Allium]

Glad something worked, even if I'm not sure why. :)

[Ragnars Wolves]

I havn't got a clue...BUT the rest of my maps are working also as I tested them. Guess Einstein was right....;)

[mockingbird]

I have upcoming international travel 9/12 - 9/17 (US time). I should have excellent internet access during my trip, but just getting there and back will take ~24 hours each way, so I would like to request a temporary move to a 36 hour turn cycle.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Groundworm]

All right, I'll put us on 36 hour turns for now. Let us know when you're back, and I'll readjust.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Speaking of extensions, I will be going on a field trip to a 'Dig' in South America for part of my Grad school work in Anthropology starting Weds Sept 15th and will return Monday Sept 20th.

Obviously, because of the location in the jungle, I will not be able to get internet time and would ask for an extension for that period. I understand we are moving right along, but this was an unexpected opportunity (to be asked to go) and I need to take advantage of it.

If you don't or can't wait, I will try and find a sub. However, I am like Groundworm....TERRIBLE starting position, hit with a unrest even on turn 1 and just hit agian (unrest is now 68) with another. I will not quit on this game but have no delusions of of being a contender, and will try to use this game to learn something (and maybe poking a stick in simeones eye before I die).

So stales actually maight work in my favor.

I will be able to do a turn late Tuesday or VERY early Weds and another on the following Monday evening.

Let me know.

[Fantomen]

I say pause it or find a sub. Staling is always bad.

[Groundworm]

Ragnar- wrong game. This isn't the game where my starting province was struck by massive unrest.

I'll postpone the game when you need. Let me know when you're leaving, and I'll delay things for that period.

[GrudgeBringer]

Greetings Gentlemen, how goes the war!! I just thought I would drop by as I saw Ragnar using my comp agian and had to remind him to use his own (as he took about 10 pounds of food out of my fridge and headed home...sigh).

Thanks Fantoman for helping these guys out, I wish I would have had that in my first game. I lasted all of 19 turns as Marverni...I was like a sheep in a wolves game. We have a $20 dollar bet that he won't make turn 20. Don't let me down guys, I'll NEVER hear the end of it!!!

Have a great game...

[Ragnars Wolves]

Groundworm is going to help me get a sub for the next week while I am gone (Thank You!!).

However we have a Nation that has staled 3 out of the six turns and you might want to put it on hold to find a permanent sub fot him as the guys around him will hew him up. Chelms id the Nation and I don't know if he has some problems or just doesn't understand how important making every turn is.

[Groundworm]

Sigh. I hadn't realized that camobeercan had been staling. That's very annoying. Any suggestions?

I've made a separate thread looking for a permanent sub for him, and a temporary sub for Ragnar. Thanks for the heads-up, Ragnar. I wonder why I wasn't getting messages about the stale turns? Has anyone else noticed this?

Should I delay the game until we get this sorted out?

Groundworm

[Groundworm]

Sephorin has been kind enough to sub for Ragnar while he's out at the end of this week. Thank you, Sephorin, and welcome!

This solves one problem, but still not quite sure what to do about Man.

[Sephorin]

Sephorin has been kind enough to sub for Ragnar while he's out at the end of this week. Thank you, Sephorin, and welcome!

This solves one problem, but still not quite sure what to do about Man.

Hello, all. I'm happy to fill in for a couple of days. Although, as I told Groundworm, I make no guarantees as to the quality of my turns. :)

[Groundworm]

Welcome, Sephorin!

And I may have found a permanent sub for Man, though he has no multiplayer experience at all. What do you all think? Should I go ahead and have him fill in?

[puntocom]

Welcome, Sephorin!

And I may have found a permanent sub for Man, though he has no multiplayer experience at all. What do you all think? Should I go ahead and have him fill in?

Yeah! All the people here is newbie, no? :).

[Groundworm]

Since I've heard no opposition and the player of Man has not responded to my PM, I've offered the position to adder83. I've delayed the current turn by 24 hours in order to get him into the game, but I think it's for the best.

[Fantomen]

Yep, agree completely with those decisions.

[adder83]

everthing is rdy....seems to work now :)

[Ragnars Wolves]

It is 2 AM and I am leaving for the Airport. The game has not been turned over to the sub yet so I ddid the turn and sent it in. I hope he understands what I tried to do on this turn. Good luck and see you guys Monday.

[Groundworm]

Have a great trip, Ragnar, and we'll see you next week!

[Fantomen]

May I ask for a 24h delay on this turn? I'll try and get it in tonight though.

[Fantomen]

Nevermind, I found a free moment.

[Marmaduke]

I will be away from my computer from Friday to Sunday evening. I think I will be able to play a turn on Friday before evening (in Europe), and then the next possible time will be late on Sunday.
Is it possible to skip the turn on Saturday? Otherwise I would be looking for a temporary sub (LA Caelum). Otherwise I would stale.

[Fantomen]

That's not a very big delay, should be no problem as far as I'm concerned.

[Groundworm]

Yes, Marmaduke, we can delay one turn. Not a problem. Just send me a PM on Friday to remind me to institute the delay, if you don't mind.

[Marmaduke]

Thanks Groundworm, I will PM you on Friday then.
[Marmaduke, copy-pasting identical answers to identical problems since 1976.]

[Ragnars Wolves]

I am back, so if you could set my e-mail address i will hit resend and get it inright away...Thanks ser for everything, I'm sure you did as good or better than I could have done!!

[Groundworm]

Unless there's any objection, since I think everyone is back at this point I would like to set the turns back to 24 hours. What do you all think?

[Marmaduke]

I am OK until, as specified above, this week-end which I will spend out of town and far from my computer.

[mockingbird]

24 hour turns are fine for me.

[Allium]

24hrs sounds good.

[Ragnars Wolves]

24 good with me

[Fantomen]

have to go out of town and may not be back until saturday evening, could you delay if needed?

[Groundworm]

No problem.

[puntocom]

Oh ****! I staled the turn :(

Could we change the turns to 2 days?

[Groundworm]

What does everyone else think? Extend the turn timer? 36 hours? 48 hours?

[Marmaduke]

I am OK, though I can handle 24h turns when I'm around. (Because Spiti of Caelum is, like, Jack Bauer.)

[adder83]

For me 24h is fine now as well. But i have no problem to change it to 36 or 48h only question is if it is for a couple of days or for ever?

[mockingbird]

48 hours is fine by me. We are over 20 turns now, after all.

Oh, and welcome to the micromanagement horror that is Ermor. :)

[Groundworm]

It would be a permanent change, adder83. So far the decision to go to 48h is a stalemate, but it is >20 turns in, so I guess we'll do it.

[mockingbird]

Hi,

I just wanted to let everyone know that I will be on international travel Oct 2-11. I expect to have excellent internet access and plan to continue to submit my turns as usual. However, there is always the possibility of complications, so I wanted to let you all know in advance just in case.

Best regards,
Mockingbird

[Fantomen]

Caelians! You feeble annoying wasps! The time has come to pay for you arrogance! The west is not yours no more.

*evil mad laughter*

[Marmaduke]

I have no access to the game at the moment but I can guess what happened. Making a behemoth was a very smart move on your part. Grats!

[Ragnars Wolves]

I have to go out of the Country without much notice leaving Thursday Morning and getting back Monday afternoon.

I am not much for staling but I have asked 4 or 5 folks and havn't got a bite.

I will continue with what is left of my small, measly, too little to want to mess with empire when I get back. Sorry to hold you guys up on turns but I will not abandon you all. I just can't get out of this!!

[Fantomen]

I took the liberty to post threads asking for a sub here and on dom3mods.

Keep in mind it´s harder to find a sub as a new player, as later on you can rely on people you subbed for to return old favors(well, given you´ve been a nice and helpful guy)

If we find no sub I suggest we pause the game.

[Ragnars Wolves]

Turn submitted, if we have an extension till Monday afternoon (late) Thank you, if we don't i can live with it also. Don't want to hold everyone up and this can't be helped.:up:

[Fantomen]

Sub found, travel in peace.

[Groundworm]

Yes, thanks to Fantomen's post, Valerius is subbing for you until you get back, Ragnars. Let me know when you're back and I'll put you in.

Thanks again for the help, Fantomen.

[mockingbird]

I regret to inform you all that I unexpectedly will not have internet access for most of this weekend (Oct 23-24, PST). I would like to request a turn extension, please.

[Groundworm]

Sure, not a problem.

[Groundworm]

I set myself to AI this turn. I have only 3 provinces left, two of which are currently under siege. And I will be dominion killed in another turn or two anyway. My pretender is dead, as are most of my mages. I held out for as long as I could, and my ghost king stuck it in Ermor's craw several times. :)

Congratulations to Ermor on waging an extremely successful war against me. You attacked me very early on, which was clearly the right thing to do, and there was little I could do to counter you at any point. Well done.

This is, incidentally, also the last time I play in a game with late age Ermor. I wanted to see what they were like, and I sure did.

Good luck to the rest of you!

Groundworm

[Marmaduke]

Your entries in the Hall of Heroes were quite impressive, as was your bold attack on Ermor's capital!

[puntocom]

Hello,

i really enjoyed the war against Bogarus :).

Why the last time? You think they are overpowered? (i really don't know, is my first time with Ermor).

[Groundworm]

Well, watching some of the fights between Ermor and Mictlan (which Mictlan came to well-prepared but still lost), I'm beginning to think that they are. Also, Ermor's strength lies in the early game, which is when you attacked me. I put up the best fight I could, but I really can't think of a way I could have stopped you that early. It leads me to think that if you start off next to Ermor, you're at a much greater disadvantage than if you started off next to any other nation. That, for me, isn't fun.

Others may disagree, of course, but that's my take on it.

Still, well-fought. And thank you for the compliment, Marmaduke. :)

[adder83]

Hi there!
I finally set my nation to AI as well: i have only 2 provinces with 2 forts both of them under siege. I have no god, no mage, no commander and only one military unit (hawk) left. So i think its rather justified to go AI.

And at least i have the joy to not to be the first player who passed out :P

But serious i had a great time playing this MP game, althougt i finally was utterly deafeated i think provided some shocking moments to my opponent.

Great game, i like it!

[Allium]

You subbed into a weak position and put up a good fight. Thanks for doing that, I enjoyed playing against you.

[Groundworm]

Yes, it does sound like you did quite well with a challenging position, adder83. Thank you for subbing for us, and job well done!

[Ragnars Wolves]

BTW, I don't think I have any Naps with anyone....except Ermor. If I do then let me know since folks are dropping out like flies and I am a little fly myself.:eek:

[Ragnars Wolves]

LOL, I lost ALL my provinces in one turn without a battle....Dom Killed.

NEVER start between Mictlan and Ermor....and JUST when I was gonna kick some azzzzzz.

Good Luck Guys!!

[Groundworm]

Oh, Rags, that's harsh! This has been a rough game for both of us!

[Ragnars Wolves]

LOL, I meant no disrespect to anyone.

I just meant that if you are between Eermor and Mictlan there is no way you won't be Dom killed unless you jump on someone right out of the shoot.

I had 4 priests preaching and was still getting more red candles every turn. The cruddy part was I JUST attacked and that was when the dom kicked in and the suprise on my face HAD to be hilarious. There was no one there...nada, no flags, no troops, no nothing but an X where my prophet killed a couple of mage's.

And of course a big blank area. Back to the drawing board, but I have had it with Pythium. I guess I just don't understand the nation.

OK, good job and I will be seeing some of you in RR and Sharpaxe:up:

[Marmaduke]

My empire has crumbled... Unfathomable. ;)
Congratulations to Agartha who managed to somehow defeat my invincible Caelian armies.
If I understand well, there are four of you left: Agartha in the North, C'tis in the Northeast, Ermor in the South and Mictlan in the Southeast. (I don't believe I spoil anything to anybody.) I am proud to have managed to reach Turn 51 against you guys.

[Fantomen]

And the Agarthan Empire will treasure the memory of a valiant opponent, who fearlessly fought to the last drop of blood.

Tonight Pothead will smoke to your honor, and dream of flying through the storms.

[mockingbird]

Did Ermor stale last turn? I didn't see any action from them.

[Allium]

Looks like they staled last turn and the turn before:
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Waspworld&action=showstales

[Fantomen]

That's pretty game breaking at this point, we should sort it out before playing another turn. Either get in touch with Puntocom or find a sub.

Edit: I pm'd Puntocom asking what's up. I also pm'd Groundworm about a postponement, and suggested I take over as admin from now on since he's out of the game (if that's ok with you guys?).

[mockingbird]

Having you take over as admin is fine by me.

[puntocom]

Sorry for staling 2 turns guys, i was without internet. Tomorrow i'll play my turn.

[Fantomen]

Great that you're still here Puntocom. If you get in a similar situation again don't hesitate to ask for a delay instead of staling.

I'm the new admin, any requests for postponements are to be sent to me by PM.

[mockingbird]

Ermor staled again last turn.

Puntocom, should we try to find a sub for you?

[mockingbird]

Two stales this turn. Which is to say, 50% of the players.

[Fantomen]

I'm sorry about the stale, it didn't weaken me though. I simply forgot to send my turn, but don't worry I'm still here.

I'll try and watch this hosting so Puntocom doesn't stale again.

[mockingbird]

Ermor staled again. I think we really need to find a replacement.

[Fantomen]

I'm looking hard for a replacement for Ermor, game on hold in the meanwhile. No word from Puntocom.

[mockingbird]

Fantomen, I noticed that you staled also last turn. Did you mean to hold up the game and it cycled anyway?

[Fantomen]

yeah, my postponement failed somehow. I found a sub btw

[Fantomen]

Our new Ermor player is NaivePhilosopher, welcome to the game.

I'm back on full speed now and with a new sub I hope the game will pick up tempo again, sorry for the trouble.

[NaivePhilosopher]

'lo all, looking forward to getting a look at a late MP game. I didn't realize quite the micro that LA Ermor would require, I think, but I think this should be pretty fun regardless.

[Allium]

Uh, Fantomen? I noticed you staled last turn. Are you still there?

[Fantomen]

Yeah, I've been having some real life mess. I'll get my turn in tonight.

[Allium]

I can't help but notice that you staled again. Do you need to put this game on pause for a while or something?

[Fantomen]

I'm afraid that an avalanche of real life issues is forcing me to withdraw completely from Dominions for a while. I though I'd be able to catch up but it's just too much stress for me right now. You will have to find a sub for me.

I'm sorry for the trouble caused.

I'll PM the admin pass to Allium.

[Allium]

I'm sorry to see you go, but I completely understand that real life takes precedence. Hope things work out for you.

[P3D]

Just a note, I took over Agartha. Will need some time to get my turn done, but I will submit before the end of turn.

[Allium]

Welcome, and thanks for subbing!

[mockingbird]

Welcome to the game. Thanks for stepping in!

[NaivePhilosopher]

Good luck P3D, may it be better than mine :P

On that note, Ermor has just been domkilled. Do I need to send in a turn for that to register or will the server remove Ermor from the list automatically?

[Allium]

Hey, P3D, I noticed you just staled. Is there a problem?

[P3D]

Sent a wrong turn file, and did not check my email after that... :o

[P3D]

Some unexpected work showed up, I need a 24h extension.

[Allium]

Sure, done.

[Allium]

Turn timer set to 4 days.

[P3D]

Set myself to AI, but I it might not matter at all - I had a total of 4 candles left.

[Allium]

As it turns out, it didn't matter. Now I'm seeing why Jade Knives were made unique in CBM 1.7.

[P3D]

Mockingbird,

I am really curious how many slaves you are sacrificing each turn? 50? 100? An what your original Dominion value was.

I don't think revealing it would have any effect on the game.

[mockingbird]

I started with a Dominion 10 pretender intending a dominion push strategy all along.

It was really the fact that Ermor was in the game that caused me to go in that direction.

I think I'm sacrificing about 100 slaves/turn at this point in the game, although it was much less than that through most of the rest of it.

[Allium]

I should probably have attacked you much earlier; I think I'd have an easier time dealing with Ermor.

[Allium]

Wow, two candles left. I concede. Congratulations mockingbird!

[mockingbird]

Thanks!

It was a good game all around. I hope to see you all in another game soon.