Scourge of Nations

[Galou]

Hello all,

I would like to try a game with special victory condition: players who destroys the most nation (be the first to successfully storm a capitol, only be the first count except when the legitimate owner retake his capital) win the game.

Mods:
CBM 1.6
End Game 1.1

Maps: depends on number of players (12 will be perfect), wraparound prefered.
Era: LA
Indies: 8
HoF: 15
renaming on
Graphs off
Random nations (I will be the innocent hand. Trust me. Hin, hin, hin). LA Ermor and UW not playable.
Research: Hard.
Diplo: Bah! But not forbiden.
Turn frequency: 24h until turn 20-30, then 48h until turn 50, 72h afterward. 3 consecutives stales => IA.
Gentlemen game: a VP/capital (total VP for winning will be nb of capitals +1), players will inform the others in this thread when their capital fall and by who. And don't give up!

Players:
Galou: Caelum
Danakh: Mictlan
Odeoderok: Midgard
Domenje: Arco
Olive: Abyssia
Hoplosternum: Utgard....1PV
Hylobius: Pangea
Brazouck: Ulm
Awund: Man
Zegc-ben: Bogarus
Corinthian: Agartha

Marignon was destroyed by Utgard.

[Danakh]

Count me in !

[odeoderok]

I'd like to join!

[Galou]

Ok,

To make the victory condition a little bit clearer:

When you are the first to take an ennemy capitol, you gain 1 point for the duration of the game even if you lose it, no one could claim the point for this capitol no more (you are the one who had destroy these decadents people, who had rape their kitten, ate their women, smashed, burned, stamped on their so called artworks and enjoyed living in their beautifuls ruined palaces and despise their grammar and spelling)
Exception in the very unlikely case of the rightful owner retake his capitol, you lose the point and it is available for a new real Scourge of Nations.
The game end when it is mathematicaly impossible to beat the leader in number of points.

[Fantomen]

I have too many games going already to join, but I really like this idea for victory condition! I'll surely steal it for future games I organize.

[Domenje]

i want to join

[Olive]

Count me in. :)

[Calahan]

but I really like this idea for victory condition!
+1

I'll also be keeping an eye on this game and would be really interested in hearing how it plays out. Since the victory conditions are a nice twist on all the regular ones, and could certainly lead to some interesting strategic choices in game.

("ok, the scalp of that nation has been claimed, so lets mothball that entire area now and move eveything towards the next scalp").

[Galou]

I really like this idea for victory condition!
I am not surprise, viewing your location...
Anyway, I count 1 little week for recrutment and another week for testing, so if one of your game is almost finished, feel free to come here.

I'll also be keeping an eye on this game and would be really interested in hearing how it plays out. Since the victory conditions are a nice twist on all the regular ones, and could certainly lead to some interesting strategic choices in game.
Never try a game like that yet. The purpose is to have a relatively quick and entertaining game. Boring turtling is not reeally discouraged but it will be more difficult to win as time passes.
Note that the end game could be a real mess (heavily supporting a discrowned pretendant to get him retake his capitol so you could take it and gain the VP)

[Hoplosternum]

I like the sound of these Victory Conditions. maybe it will encourage me to play aggressively for a change :) So count me in if there is still room :)

[Hylobius]

Sounds interesting, count me in.

[Nauquan]

Me too! Me too!

[Executor]

graphs off, count me in.

[Executor]

scratch that, this game's not for me

[Nauquan]

Sorry I have to withdrawal - Real life is taking my time again.

[Brazouck]

I'm in !

[Galou]

Ok, we are 8. Inscriptions are still open until tuesday then I will draw the nations.

[Galou]

First post edited with Nations and their owner. A bit cold.

[Narushima]

Yep, I'm in too.

[Galou]

Ok, you have Marignon.

I just try LA Caelum...well, in previous ages it was the joy of friendly fire and now it is the joy of friendly fire without hurting anybody else...

[Awund]

If it's still possible, I'd like to join this game. It would be my first multiplayer game, although I've played multiple games in SP and have been reading these forums for a while.

[Galou]

It's ok Awund.

You got Man.

[zegc-ben]

I would like to join too. The victory condition is a nice idea.

[Galou]

Ok,you are Bogarus

[Corinthian]

I would also like to try my hand in this. Not very experieced with late age, so the fact that the nations are random does not mater. As long as I get an hour to practice befor i submit a pretender, i will be fine.

[Galou]

Corinthian, you got Agartha.

12 players, that's fine. Recrutment is over. I will create the game on the Llamaserver at the beginning of the week. Until then, try your pretenders and help me choose a map.
Galadia, Urraparrand and IcyUrraparand appeal me (but the two last clearly advantage Caelum/flying units) or maybe Alexander. If everybody don't mind I think I will choose Galadia.

[zegc-ben]

I have never played on it but isn't Galadia a bit too big with 14.75 land provinces by player plus 40 water provinces ?

And another small question : what would you think of using the latest CBM (1.7 instead of 1.6) ?

[Galou]

For CBM 1.7, I don't like the hammer made unique especially as we play in LA (less gems).
But I didn't try it yet, just looked at the changes.

I don't know what is the average provinces/player here but i used to play within 15-20 range and often wars begin before turn 20 (I played mostly with mad men, some of them are there: Danakh, Brazouck, Olive, Narushima but don't worry, we couldn't stand each other). 15 provinces are not too much IMHO.

[zegc-ben]

I haven't played much MP yet but it seems that here the average provinces/player is lower (10-15 maybe ?) so I guess 15 is just the right number :).

I have no opinion about what version of cbm to take (in fact I even think my stategy will be better with 1.6), I just felt the question had to be asked.

[Brazouck]

15-20 gold is good, especially with indep at 8 IMHO

[Hoplosternum]

Galadia looks good although I have never actually played on it. I always prefer a bit of space at the start. Alexanders fine too but a lot larger. After being given Utgard I am obviously a bit biased on the CBM as 1.7 weakens my power a lot as it hurts my blood magic, blood sacrificing and thugs and gives nothing in return. So I'd rather we stayed at 1.6 :p But it doesn't matter that much to me either way.

[Galou]

After being given Utgard I am obviously a bit biased on the CBM as 1.7 weakens my power a lot as it hurts my blood magic, blood sacrificing and thugs and gives nothing in return. So I'd rather we stayed at 1.6
That's it! CBM 1.6 and everybody rush Utgard.:ghug:

Well, in fact, I think it will be more difficult for me to make something with LA Caelum without forging some costly boosters and heavy use of gems.

[Corinthian]

After being given Utgard I am obviously a bit biased on the CBM as 1.7 weakens my power a lot as it hurts my blood magic, blood sacrificing and thugs and gives nothing in return. So I'd rather we stayed at 1.6
That's it! CBM 1.6 and everybody rush Utgard.:ghug:

Well, in fact, I think it will be more difficult for me to make something with LA Caelum without forging some costly boosters and heavy use of gems.

You think you got it bad? I was playing around with Agatha on your settings yesterday. And let me tell you, it was harsh! Normally Agatha is a nation that bunkers up and hope it can survive until it has enough spells for its mages to become useful. That and summon things.
The problem is that under these settings research is hard and magic sites uncommon! :shock:

I'm still in though. I've got a Plan. I hope. ;)

[Galou]

Well..err..(damned, what did we say usually in this sort of case?)...er...the research thing is err...err..thematic! That's it, thematic:angel: . Fortunately, you still have your bunker, there is hope (though good luck if you want to go for a walk.). And I am sure you are happy to find a way to loose with panache.:D

Seriously here is the 2nd reason why I randomized the nations: nobody could claim the Nation he consider perfectly adapted to the setting. The first one is that I didn't want to choose mine (and I bitterly regret ).

[zegc-ben]

There is a version of Galadia with a fixed connection and preset starting provinces in something like the 7th post in the thread. I think we should use this one.

[Galou]

Yes, we will use it. Galadia 1.1 is avalaible on Llamaserver.

[Galou]

Ok, the game is created on the Llamaserver:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Scourge_of_Nations

You can sending your pretenders. No hurry since at least one of us is not at home until wednesday.

Good luck all of you, you will need it since you will be crush between the Agartha's anvil and the Caelum's hammer.

[Awund]

When did you plan to start exactly? I will be away from a computer with dom3 on it this weekend, starting Friday around noon. I'll be back Sunday evening very late. If you want to start this weekend, could you extend the deadline for the first turn to Monday? If you want to start before: could you extend the deadline for the turn starting on Friday morning?

[Galou]

Well, I planned to start yesterday but Arco is missing.
I will wait your return until monday (or delay the turn if Arco send his pretender) then I will start the game manually.

[Danakh]

Good luck all !

[zegc-ben]

Good luck, let's have a nice game together.

[Hoplosternum]

Good luck everyone :)

[Corinthian]

Yes, we will use it. Galadia 1.1 is avalaible on Llamaserver.

Available where? There is an entry for it. True. But there is no download link. I managed to get the game to work by using the old Galadia 1 map. I hope i will not cause trouble and mark me as a cheater.

It's also possible that i can not use the new connections this way.:o

[Galou]

Galadia:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43594
V1.1's file is in the 7th post.

Anyway, we already have a problem with 2 provinces connection (144) and (154) IIRC (thanks to zgec who report it). Not a big issue, we keep going.

[Corinthian]

Oh. Thanks! The revised version seem to use the same .tga file as the original and that was probably why the previous version still worked.

I read something about a map in the seventh post earlier in the thread. But I assumed it to be the seventh post in this thread.

[Galou]

I posponed the next turn by 24 hours, one player could not play before sunday evening (GMT)

[Narushima]

This is bull****.
Hotmail, after I had received hundreds of messages from llamaserver, decided to put the last two or three of these in the spam folder.
I stalled because of that, just because I didn't bother to check it.

[Galou]

We reach turn 20, I don't change the 26 hours delay by turn until someone ask for it. For now, i could play at this pace.

[Narushima]

I just missed a turn, and that time it was my fault...
So yeah, if you could raise the delay, I'd appreciate that.

[Hylobius]

I'm leaving home for two weeks starting the 14th and will have limited internet access. I'd appreciate if we could go to 48 hours before I leave.

Pan

[Awund]

Personally I have no problems with the current 26h timer but I wouldn't mind a change to 48 hours given the above two requests for it.

[zegc-ben]

Same as Awund

[Galou]

Don't be shy. Who was the Marignon's Nemesis?

[Hoplosternum]

Utgard :)

[Hoplosternum]

And thanks to my first opponent Narushima :) It could have gone either way. At one point my main army was cut off behind enemy lines and had taken a mauling from a tough PD. My main income province had been lost to the Count and his spies had just started causing problems. Marignon then moved his larger blocking army to cover his capital and my army escaped. After that, even though he chased me all the way home, I always thought I should win as I was getting closer to my reinforcements and my recruitable Thugs give me an advantage in a low magic world compared to his mages.

[Narushima]

Well, once I was right next to your home province, I realised you had a serious edge, military-wise, compared to me, so I didn't know what to do. I lost my focus there.
And the fact that I lost two turns didn't help considering the scope of the game.
But still, that was well played.

[Galou]

Ok, Marignon's name is now forgotten except in some Utgard's drinking songs.
Thanks Narushima.

I update the score both in the first post of this thread and at the game's page on Llamaserver.

[Awund]

Is everyone else able to play during the holidays? I'll be away from 20 to 25 december, meaning I can do a turn 20 december early in the morning and the next one 25 december in the afternoon maybe. A delay would be good if possible, otherwise I'll try to find a sub or worst case stall 2 turns.

[Galou]

No stale if you asked for a delay, we are not so barbaric.

...and I will not be at home for 2 weeks, starting this sunday. During the second week, I could send my turns.
I will rise the delay during this period.

[zegc-ben]

Soory for the delay, I had very little internet access those last days so I didn't realised until today that the .2h file I had sent 2 days ago was corrupted. I just resent it and the turn must be processing now.

[Danakh]

Galou have some problem with is computer, so he asks me to handle the game administration. If you need a delay, pm me instead of him

I wait confirmation from him that we need a sub to replace him ... (or the delay while he will be out)

[Danakh]

OK we will seek for a sub for this game

Galou played Caelum, and not performing bad as far as i know. We are turn 29, everything is still open. Caelum has only one stall several turn ago.

[Corinthian]

I could throw out a message to Marignions former player, Narushima. Maybe he is interested in returning. I'll do that now.

[Narushima]

I don't think I'm going to have a lot of free time in the coming weeks, so I'll have to pass the occasion, sorry.

[Herode]

Foocking froggies, always delaying and staling :D

Galou could lower his computer failures, should he only think about studying in depth the Infinite Wisdom hidden in the crytic verses of Mallarme (private joke inside, ok ? ;) ).

Anyway, I can sub Caelum until Galou's return, if you don't have a better candidate.

[Corinthian]

That would be great:)

I think Danakh could provide the details.

[Danakh]

Perfect Herode, i'll see with you by pm

[Danakh]

I added 48h to the timer to let Herode join us, feel free to not use this extra time ;)

[Herode]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. Please let me know (here or by PM) any current treaties between you and Caelum so I can take them into account before planning my moves.

See you soon on the battlefields !
H.

[Danakh]

Who kill Arcoscephale ?

Not that I care about the death of a false god, but Galou ask me to track the points for the game ;)

[Corinthian]

Pangaea hold his capitol, but midgard took his last province. (Yea, I scout a lot)

[Corinthian]

Looking closer, it seems like Midgard and Pangaea are actually at war with each other. So the capitol might just change hands again soon.

[Danakh]

Remember to tell here who takes each capitol, killing a player doesn't count.

[Hoplosternum]

That was Pangaea. Arco ran out of provinces while trying to take it back. And Van had help taking out those last provinces. Maybe your scouting net isn't quite as good as you think ;)

So I think the point goes to Pan.

I didn't think this changes even if Van takes arcos capital now. Only Arco could have taken it back enabling someone else to claim the point? I thought that was the whole point of the scoring. Otherwise you can simply play in cautious/turtling sort of way and as long as your end game is good win by taking over a large portion of the world.

[Danakh]

Yes, as arco is dead, the point is definitely for Pangaea !

I can't update the first post so i'll update the llama's game page

[Galou]

Sorry guys for my bail out and thanks Danakh for your commitment.

Galou could lower his computer failures, should he only think about studying in depth the Infinite Wisdom hidden in the crytic verses of Mallarme (private joke inside, ok ? )
'tain, en quinze jours sans ordi j'ai lu tout les livres et la chair est triste hélas! :( . I want my computer back!
Thanks for the sub Herode, it is a permanent one. I hope you like the settings.

[Herode]

Thanks for the sub Herode, it is a permanent one. I hope you like the settings.
Well, the settings are not bad but I confess was not planning to take a permanent sub here. I don't have time to play 3 games at once for long.

So if some player wants to try LA Caelum on a viable mid-game position, please PM the admin ASAP. I will be able to sub 'till end of the month at best, no longer.

[Herode]

Looks like Awund has set himself (as Man) to IA, without even giving a fight... :rolleyes:

[Awund]

Looks like Awund has set himself (as Man) to IA, without even giving a fight... :rolleyes:
Ehm, what? I'm just finishing my turn right now.

[Herode]

Ooooooooooooops, holy sheet, you're right. I was looking for Man in the list of nations, when in MA your name is Chelms. My bad, sorry. :doh:

[Awund]

Ah, that explains it ;). No problems, and sorry my turn took so long.

[Danakh]

Bogarus capitol have just been taken by the mighty army of Mitclan !

[Galou]

Herode,
I will soon have my 6 cores , my new video-card and my three 30".
Why bother to play Dominion anymore?


No, give me two weeks, maybe less, and I could lead my troops to victory!

[Danakh]

3 stales for Ulm ...
I set you to AI :/

Glad to see you back Galou :)

[Herode]

All right, Galou chou, I'll wait for your return. Well, at least I'll try but I don't promise anything : there's a big fat rusty bad guy around here, wandering with cunning mages and derelictant Earth Elementals, who is trying to steal your lands despite all my friendly efforts to promote peace, love and poetry.

That's so weird and rude from him, isn't it ? :o

[Olive]

The glorious troops of Abysia just captured Ulm's capitol. :)

[Corinthian]

Incidentally, the two people that have yet to submit their turns, are the people that stalled the two previous turns.

[Awund]

Sorry about that, I've just submitted my turn. Now we're just waiting for Ulm.

[Danakh]

I was waiting in case of the player returns, but Ulm should now be computer controlled ...

[Danakh]

This sucks

I have put Ulm as an IA myself (the player doesn't reply to my pms) and so It tell me that i've used my CD key twice during this turn. So basicaly i've staled this turn :/

Just to tell you, i don't want to rollback for this

But it sucks !

[Herode]

Indeed. So it would mean that one cannot safely admin and play a game at once ?
No good.
Could deserve something like a bug notification.

[Danakh]

I postpone next turn until monday evening for Odeoderok

[Corinthian]

Stupid Troglodytes! You are not welcome in Agartha any more! I don't know whom invited you but you must leave at once! I have already replaced you with Earth Elementals. Much more reliable. And they do not poop in the corridors either.



Also, whats up with the random events in this game? I took a luck/turmoil combo in order to compensate for the lack of magic sites on this map. And what do I get? Troglodytes, and 100+ water gems! Once I got four bad events in a single turn! Well I guess I've gotten a bit of gold to, but still.

[Herode]

Dear admin, I'll need some delay so if you can grant me 12h more hours, it will be nice.

Also, Galou, are you still around or shall I up my call for a sub ? I won't be able to sub here for long now, I'm really short of IRL time.

[Danakh]

12 hours granted !

[Galou]

Also, Galou, are you still around or shall I up my call for a sub ? I won't be able to sub here for long now, I'm really short of IRL time.
I'm here...I watch you in the dark.

Well, in fact I have my new computer since yesterday so I could take command for the next turn.
I thank you Herode, I appreciate your sub...I guess how many Air Queens you manage to invoke during my holydays...2? 3? I guess there are not many people left around our great empire.

[Corinthian]

Actually, as far as i can tell his empire is of the exact same size as it was when you left. But it does not have the exact same shape.

[Herode]

Galou, don't worry, you shall not be disapointed : I've made my best to impersonate your style, wandering randomly around the map and loosing as many battles as possible. Now, that's what I call RP :p

Glad to see you back. I'll send you a few informations by MP.

Have fun and see you later, guys !
H.

[Corinthian]

Oh yea. I'm supposed to tell when I take another's capitol right? Well last turn, -(Turn 40)- I conquered Mans capitol. He still have 3 other castles but the most important one is now mine.

[odeoderok]

Hi all,

I'll be taking a week-long holiday from this friday on. Hurmio has kindly agreed to sub for me, if no one objects.

Midgard

[Galou]

No problem.
I just need Hurmio email.

[Danakh]

Galou, you should change the message of the llama game's page to reflect that your taking back the administration of the game

[Galou]

Ok, ok.

[odeoderok]

PM sent to Galou. Also, Pangaea staled last turn. Are you still there Hylobius?

[Hurmio]

Hi,

as OdeOde here said, i'll be subbing him for the coming week. I'll naturally honor all his deals and i will be playing according to his game plan.

[Galou]

You are welcome.

I hope you could pay back the 500 golds I lend to Ode a few turns ago.

[Hurmio]

You are welcome.

I hope you could pay back the 500 golds I lend to Ode a few turns ago.


Sure, i'm certain he won't mind. :)

[Olive]

Ooops. I just connected to the boards and found out I had received some PMs for this game. Some in january... Unfortunately, the mail address in my profile was an ancient one I'm not using anymore, so I didn't receive any notification and didn't connect...

Apologies to those I may have been unwillingly ignoring. :(

[Galou]

We shall hereby declare war on your unholy nation.

[Olive]

Oh noes. :(

We're of peace. Always.

[Galou]

Dear friends,
After a bloody war, the army of Caelum has been defeated by the clownest pretender of the world, I named Bob Dole.
Althought we will fight to the bitter end and to the last feather, our marvellous blessed High Peaks will be soon pollute by the many dejections of mushrooms smellings agarthians. That is very sad and dirty.

To help us a very little in our last stand, we want to sell some of our shiny treasures:

The Krupp bracers
1 Dwarven hammer
some skulls mentor (the best war advisors, you should test them)

Make an offer by MP. We accept gems (especially air, astral and death), money or a little villa far from Agartha.

Goulabelle of Caelum.

[Danakh]

Pangaea's Capitol just fall in front of the glorious armies of Mitclan !

[Danakh]

@Agartha
You should really clean up you mess before causing some more : I have Chelms that spoil my water all over !

@Chelms
Why don't you avenge yourself by attacking Agartha instead of my poor bloody nation? I have cause far less trouble to you than them !

[Corinthian]

Wait? Chelms is still causing troubles? How did they escape my cage? Oh yea, Caelum. CAELUM!!!

Anyway, he is probably trying to reestablish his empire were he think I can not attack him. But that is untrue. I can in fact attack underwater provinces. I got those capabilities.

[Awund]

I wasn't trying anything, those were just the only few provinces I was able to grap easily. If you can finish me already I will finally be out of this game. How many turns is it now already that I'm hanging on to 1 (well, now 3) provinces?

[Corinthian]

Well my troops are limited in number and my enemies many. It is easier to prioritize sending them against Caelum who is causing real damage to me, than it is to send them against Man whom is turtling in his last castle and refuse to come out. If you would only be more of a pain in the arse to me I would put more priority on killing you.

[Awund]

I don't have any serious troops anymore, so coming out of the castle means a certain dead. I'll hang in there a little longer until you get bored of it and find a way to crack it.

[Galou]

Could Agartha and Mictlan fight away from my sacred lands?

[Danakh]

Ho ... you still have lands ? Sorry, wasn't aware of that ... :D

In fact underwater provinces become so unhealthy for me, i prefer to walk on land a few ...

[Galou]

In fact only the sky is our real realm. Lands are for overwhelming insects.

[Corinthian]

Did you people know? The best unit in the game is Agarthas Iron Corpse. They are great. They can even beat F9W9S9 blessed Jaguar warriors.

If you cast Darkness...and Will of the fates....and Army of Lead...And Mass Flight...and outnumber the enemy two to one.

And do you know what the best part is?

They are immune to master enslave!

The more you know.

[Danakh]

I didn't expect master enslave to work well (I've got already pwn with this ^^) but i do not expect so much overpowered iron corpse :D

Really well done ... I guess I am in a really bad position now :/

[Corinthian]

This is the value of prudent scouting. I saw what your pretender did in Arco so I built my armies to resist it. I probed the forts before I attacked them so I new what kind of opposition I would face. Rock-bag-scissors etc.

[Danakh]

But now i know what you got :D

[Danakh]

I do not fear you Argatha !

outside of battle, your super iron corpse are as weak as litlle children, i will burn them to ashes ! :D

(but why does it have to take my precious oak place :'( )

[Corinthian]

Hahahaha! Thats great! But there is one little problem with that plan. Your pestilent religion is not all that popular with people outside of your capitol and without faith there can be no fire! I am happy holding of my attack on your capitol for some time. I can always entertain myself by taking the lands your turtling has left unprotected.

As for why the oak? Well fires of such intensity needs high quality wood to burn well y'know.:D

[Danakh]

Mitgard's capitol is now mine !

[odeoderok]

Yes, well played to Danakh! Underhanded, sneaky but well played :)

If only those last two commanders would have died to mage duel and not survived feeble minded at 1 hp...

[Danakh]

not all my commanders got path in astral :p

[Corinthian]

But all your Divine Bless casters did....

[Galou]

Goulabelle is very annoyed, the last 3 months the besiegers of her magnificent tower has changed 3 to 4 times! How could you setting up a warm greeting in these conditions!

Well, going back to my knitting.

[Danakh]

Party at your tower are just the best ones !

[Corinthian]

But what would life be like if no one cared about you? Seriously, we are just addicted by your presence. And you know we will always be back.

[Danakh]

Galou, you really should wait for us to come and not going out without knowing who is there :D

Anyway, Mitgard is working hard to give the victory to Agartha ... but i can't blame them for trying to take back their capitol. I just wonder where go all the tartarians that come to break siege for Mitgard and then vanish ... :D

[Galou]

Well, I am effectively happy not to be a virgin since Bob will soon pierce my defences.

I give myself to lead an anti-agarthian alliance.


PS: It is fabulous to see Midgard in good way to retake its capitol and to see the bloodbaths at my bedroom's door.

Goulabelle of Caelum.

[Corinthian]

And so falls the mighty Castaru in the midst of battle. His head shall become a fine artifact I think! What was your name again? Carcator? Well now you are going to conquer Mictlan for me!

Anyway, you held out much longer than I thought you would. Honor be to you. I would probably have gone AI long ago in your position. Or tried to break siege. Good job Awund. You were a thorn in my side for a long good while.

[Danakh]

Mitgard have successfully taken back his capitol !

I guess it is over for me. Does anyone think he can stop Agartha or can we declare Corinthian as the winner ? (he will soon get Mitclan, Caelum and Mitgard points i guess)

[Hoplosternum]

Not me :) Abyssia is fairly close to taking my Capital but I can make it costly for him. And Abyssia won't be strong enough to stop Agartha - who is only 2 from his capital anyway - as are you Mictlan! But neither of you have put Abyssia under any pressure to save me :(

I really like the victory conditions of this game. And had Vanheim not managed to retake his capital I think Mictlan may well have won even if his capital was eventually taken by Agartha. Abyssia's capital was very close to Mictlan. So even with Agartha overrunning Mictlan's Empire he had a chance of seizing it and winning as I don't think there would have been enough capitals left, especially if Abyssia took mine. But with Vanheim taking back his capital that will make an extra capital available (and reduce Mictlan by one).

If no one can stop Agartha though I am all for stopping now. While I have enjoyed the game, my game was over dozens of turns ago. And my last turns are likely to take a long time. I have many mages and communions/sabbaths to script for my capital defense. It ceased being fun a long time ago - I am only playing because I don't want to quit and scew the game. But my attacker can't win the game either and neither Agartha or Mictlan have chosen to try and seize my (or Abyssia's) Capitals so it all seems like a pointless waste of time if we are all just waiting for an inevitable Agartha win.

Due to the victory conditions a big crusade vs Agartha won't work (and that's good - too many games feature a mass gank of the leader by a bunch of cautious turtlers and this game has shown that needn't be the way).

So I say congratulations to Agartha. And lets call this one a win for Corinthian :)

[Corinthian]

I have been scouting Abysia quite a bit and his power is quite formidable. They have massive flying demon armies and bloodhunters in almost every province. But yea, because of the game rules punishing turtling, it is highly improbable that he will be able to win. The only way for him to win would be to somehow transport armies to the other side of the map to take Caelum/Midgards capitols.

In fact I think he realize this himself. You notice that he is not trying to siege your capitol? He is just building forts. Why is that? Its because of Mictlan. If Mictlan takes either Midgard or Caelum, and Abyssia takes Utgård then Mictlan has won. There would not be enough victory points left for anyone to get more of them than Mictlan.

As for mictlan, I thought his tactics strange for a while. Why did he not pursue blood more throughly? But then I realized his plan was to take Midgard/Caelum before anyone could think to stop him and that he was sacrificing future power to win in the present. This plan failed, but only barely. Caelum sure got a nice show. And what ever is up with Mictlan stealing my shoes. Who'd steal a dead mans favorite shoes anyway.:(

We could ignore the victory conditions and I could have a showdown with Aby. I have certainly been planning and building for such a war. But the Late Game is the least fun part of dominions imho. And it is doubly boring if you dont have any chance of winning. I would understand if no one else wanted to sit around and watch from the sidelines.

Weather this game is over is up to you guys.

[Galou]

Unless Abyssia concede the game, there are no in-game reasons to stop it (at least this turn: Agartha and Aby coud get the VP for Caelum, Midgard, Utgard and Mictlan's capitols).

...even if I would like to launch a new game.

[Olive]

Arg, I (Abysia) regularly checked the thread on Cyber boards - which is plain dead - but not this one. :doh:

In fact I think he realize this himself. You notice that he is not trying to siege your capitol? He is just building forts. Why is that?

Skrattis killed a lot of my devils in the first battles, an as there are certainly a lot of them in Jotun's capitol, I thought domkill would spare a lot of my troops and be not so much longer. I guess something went wrong. ;)

Unless Abyssia concede the game, there are no in-game reasons to stop it (at least this turn: Agartha and Aby coud get the VP for Caelum, Midgard, Utgard and Mictlan's capitols).

...even if I would like to launch a new game.

Oops, one more miscalculation, didn't think there was still Caelum's capitol to take (sorry Galou).

There's no way I can prevent Agartha from taking Caelum or Mictlan in the next few turns... after that, I can still fight to get Agartha's Capitol and have a triple even. Honestly, I don't think I stand a chance, especially after Agartha's latest global. But if everyone is OK to keep playing, I'm ready for more turns. :)

[Olive]

Sorry for the double post, can't find the edit button. :confused:

So edit the latest post :p : yes, of course, I concede the point, so there's no point for continuing this game - except some more battles. :)

[Danakh]

So it is over, congratulation to Corinthian !

[odeoderok]

I agree, congratulations!

[Galou]

Ok, Game finished.

Agartha win. Congrats to Corinthian.
I thought our mid-game war would have crippled his chances but not at all. He barely notice it.

I like the victory conditions too and will launch a new game soon.

[Olive]

Yes,congrats. Back midgame, I was pretty sure that Mictlan would eat everything, you greatly turned the situation to your advantage. :)

[Danakh]

In fact my first war against bogarus wasn' very succesfull; launched too early, it cost me most of my magic research for 10-15 turns.
I have turtled then a few and jump on Pangaea when i have the opportunity for my second victory point

Then a long war against Mitgard started ... I though that taking every fort and province and the way would only give the capitol to Agartha so i just take Arco's city and them send my forces directly on Mitgard to take it.
A send a second force on Caelum to clear the way with the idea of teleporting my main defending army on it ... but learned the hard way that oracle can teleport but not cast astral travel :D
Migard was taken at high cost, reinforcement was not available due to the very long distance so I could not keep it (Agartha succesfully prevent me from taking surrounding fort) and I wasn't succesfull in Caelum

I almost not doing blood as I was thinking it would take me too much time and gold to rush with my nice triple blessed army :)

[Corinthian]

Thank you all for a most entertaining game. I really liked the rules. Especially the random nations/hard research combo. Both forced me to consider new tactics I would not otherwise have considered.

I personally think that Mictlan is the strongest nation in the Late Age and I was half certain that they would win the game when they attacked both Midgård and Pan at he same time. The reason I believe this is because the one other time that I have won a major Dominions game I was playing Mictlan. And once I had my blood economy up running I was mostly untouchable. The fact that Danakh chose to sideline blood for a rush was the thing that did him in. It would have worked against Midgård, but the fact is that my best Tartarian champions and my Grue, all could fight an arbitrary number of jaguar warriors and win. If Mictlan would have had access to spells like "Life for a Life" or "Claws of Coctytus", things would have been much harder for me.

The hardest war for me was probably the one against Caelum. In fact, this war was almost the opposite of the one against Mictlan. Against Mictlan I fought a bigger empire by using troops and methods he was weak against. Against Caelum I fought a smaller nation who used troops and tactics that *I* was weak against. Agartha simply aren't built to fight against Caelum and the only reason I won, was that when the war started, I had twice the amount of provinces and forts that he had. In fact, if Caelum had only attacked me about 3 turns earlier, before I had time to fully neutralize and digest Man, Caelum would probably have won.

And Galou. I apologize. I could not find a way to lose gracefully as we agreed I would. :)

[Galou]

And Galou. I apologize. I could not find a way to lose gracefully as we agreed I would.
You could try in the new game I just setting up.

[Corinthian]

Sorry, but I am feeling a little burned out on dominions right now. Maybe another time.