BearTrap - Early age game. Running like a cripple in a running competition.

[Quitti]

So here we go again. Bears are known to live in caves.

Rules:
Age: Early
Player amount: 16+3
Map: Asia Twist (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938).
Hosting schedule: 27h ~20turns, 36/48/more after that as requested.
Magic sites 60
Victory condition: Hold 1/3 caps (7 caps for 16+3) for 3 consecutive turns. Must be verified by a trustworthy person. Or every single remaining player conceding to the victory of a single god.
Machiavellian diplomacy. Backstab whoever you want, but don't expect them to like it - though I'd like to request that whatever happens in this game, stays in this game.
HoF-15 & Renaming on, as is normal.

Mods: CBM1.71
- Fixed CBM1.71 due recent dom3 patch available http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=779560

Don't bother with exploits like bogus orders/scout blocking. This should be easy enough to grasp.

All other modifiers normal.

Newbies are free to join. You only learn by playing. Though I'd like to request that you don't quit after first lost battle. If everything is hopeless (ie. enemy sieging your cap or you have very limited troops and few provinces left), you may go AI. Just don't dissappear from the game. Don't be an idiot.

Following Juffos' example @ KingsOfDrama, postponements (and diplomacy to ME) should be conducted through IRC (and also well in advance. I might be sleeping when the game is hosting). To find out how to use IRC, see here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=33869).

Postponements/rollbacks will probably not happen unless something extremely drastic happens. National holidays are a good example of when we'll be going on a pause for a couple of days. Another is if/when someone goes missing and we must either get a sub or turn a nation AI. I you have a reasonable request for a reasonable extension, do ask me.

Nations:

Land:
Abysia - mscfish
Agartha - ghoul31
Arcoscephale - Warhammer
C'tis - Quitti (game admin)
Ermor - Mauxe
Fomoria - zultor
Helheim - AngelSong
Hinnom - Stagger Lee
Kailasa - Herrmeister
Marverni - Gweldorf
Mictlan - rmcolisimo
Niefelheim - P3D
Sauromatia - Juffos
T'ien Ch'i - rabelais
Ulm - LoLomo
Yomi - Aethyr (Game admin)

Water:
Atlantis - Squirrelloid
Oceania - nerozero
R'lyeh - BlanketThief (on IRC)


Aethyr is currently in possession of the game admin pw. I can still be pestered on IRC about admin duties as long as Aethyr doesn't change the pw.

[Juffos]

Sauromatia for me, please.

[zultor]

Fomoria please

[rabelais]

TC please

[ghoul31]

Agartha

[Shadrach]

Lanka please

[P3D]

Niefel please.

[arnob]

Hello

I would like to join this game with Atlantis please !

Arnob

[arnob]

Hello

I would like to join this game with Atlantis please !

Arnob

Humm, no, I prefer Yomi please !

Arnob

[nerozero]

I'd like to join as Oceania please

[Corinthian]

I'm in for Tir na n'Og. Never played an Ea MP game before so this should be fun.

[Herrmeister]

I'll join as Kailasa.

[mscfish]

I'd like to join as ABY please
:)

[Stagger Lee]

I'd love a chance to play Hinnom. I would just ask if we will have reasonable extensions over the holidays, including Thanksgiving (US), if we start by then?

[Quitti]

Certainly. Thanksgiving sure is a good enough reason for people to be away from computer, as is xmas+new year :)

Welcome aboard.

[Zeldor]

I'm tempted to join. Wanted to try Yomi but huh, seems to be taken... so are TC and Sauro...

[Gweldorf]

I'd like to join as Marverni.

[nyfair]

Mictlan please

[Quitti]

Two more land nations and two water nations wanted!

Zeldor, pick your nation soon if you want to join in :)

[Zeldor]

Well, put me in for Caelum for now. We want CBM 1.8 anyway.

[Quitti]

We want CBM 1.8 anyway.

Yeah, hopefully QM can come up with something this week. We won't probably have full nation list until thanksgiving is over anyway.

That being said, one more land nation and two water nations to go.

[nozshand]

i'll take the last land slot, though i can not decide which nation to go with until i get home from the work

[Quitti]

Certainly.

Now we'll need 2 more water nations still. Do voice your opinion about uwgim (at least if you want it ;))

[nerozero]

Wish I could say something about Uwgim, but I've never tried it, so I haven't really got an opinion on it. It does look like a fun mod though, so I wouldn't be opposed to it.

[arnob]

Certainly.

Now we'll need 2 more water nations still. Do voice your opinion about uwgim (at least if you want it ;))

I'm not a big fan of uwgim mod.

But if it can help I'm ok to switch from YOMI to R'LYEH !

And maybe we can start with only two undewater nations ?

Arnob

[Enoch]

I'll sign up as Atlantis to round out the water nations.

I haven't played with the underwater mod yet but I have just downloaded it. Initial impression is that it would be handy but I will play with it a bit before saying whether I would prefer it.

[Quitti]

Very well. If arnob changes to R'lyeh, we'll only need one land nation. We'll likely wait until thanksgiving is over anyway to see if QM can come up with next version of CBM and to give the people over in US time to catch up with their families without having to worry if this game starts.

Water nations seem very indifferent about uwgim. If you guys want it, tell it to me before I host the game, which'll happen on sunday or so. Otherwise I'll take your answer as a no.

I'll try to pester QM to get us a new version coming before the weekend if possible :)

I also changed the topic to make this thread easier to find. I hope no-one got too confused about it.

[Warhammer]

How experienced are the players in this game? I am a quasi-vet. I guess I'll take EA Ermor or Arco, need to firm it up.

[rabelais]

What version of the map are we using? the version I have (asia twist w/ ports v1.2) seems to have a number of bugs including japan having not very good expansion options (no circle) and some caps being NEXT to one another.

I like asia twist because everyone is coming from all directions. I hate it for the same reason.

[Zeldor]

Well, we are waiting for 1.8 or staying with 1.6? Not sure about 1.7, quite unbalanced. I may switch to Yomi then too.

[Quitti]

I'd prefer 1.7 over 1.6, but we'll wait and see what happens at least until the weekend, as it's thanksgiving in US this thursday as far as I know and some people will probably be busy going around.

We'll be using asia twist with preset starting positions - I believe it's the one first in the list @ llamaserver. And that one would be this (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=649938). If there's any serious bugs/something in that map I should know of, let me know. It's worked well before.

edit: QM told me on IRC that he won't be able to get a new cbm out in few weeks. Kind of shame. I'm tempted to go meddle with it myself but I don't want another cbm 1.4xx fiasco.

[nozshand]

i'd like to confirm my pick on ERMOR, thanks

[AngelSong]

Ea Arco

[rabelais]

Re: Map

that's the version I have, I think.

Someone more map savvy will have to verify it, but I have a game from that map where two caps were adjacent (253<-> 266)

Also the japan position seemed difficult to start in.

I will reinstall it and see if I still have problems. But it says 1.2

edit: (file sizes and dates were identical) can someone look at the map for the cap problems I describe

[nozshand]

I'd prefer 1.7 over 1.6, but we'll wait and see what happens at least until the weekend, as it's thanksgiving in US this thursday as far as I know and some people will probably be busy going around.


i think 1.8 is not coming for another few weeks, so its either 1.7 or 1.6, i personally prefer 1.7 because it moved hammer to const 8, i'd like to see how thats gonna change the game balance, might shift some tier 1 powerhouses to tier 2 and vice verse :)

i would imaging its gonna be very hard for nations such as mictlan to maintain a full blood economy due to the unique dousing rod which effectively reduce their blood income by 40%, not that they are not overpowered before. Interesting how strategy will evolve for heavy blood dependent nations

[Shadrach]

Rabelais, 253 is not a fixed start, so the game you were in must not have used them. This game will, so there shouldn't be any problems with adjacent capitals.

The main disadvantage of starting positions like the one in Japan is the lack of neighboring provinces, which means that capitals there would have access to fewer resources. The map description explains that those starting positions have been given resource generating sites in some of the neighbors they do have, which should make the starting positions quite balanced.

[Quitti]

Ea Arco

We are already full. One player still needs to pick their nation though so he's not listed yet, so I'll have to turn you down.

[Quitti]

So, we'll be using CBM1.7. If anyone wants to consider a mod nation, I can check them out and if they're not dwarf-overpowered, I can possibly allow them, as long as they do not conflict with CBM.

[AngelSong]

Ea Arco

We are already full. One player still needs to pick their nation though so he's not listed yet, so I'll have to turn you down.

Ok，I got it.Maybe next time.

[Warhammer]

I'll take Ermor.

[nozshand]

I'll take Ermor.

ermor is taken i think

[Shadrach]

Sorry all; I'm going to have to drop out. Lanka is back in the pool.

[LoloMo]

I waitlisted on Ulm with Quitti via IRC yesterday. Hope he remembers me wanting to join this game :-)

[AngelSong]

One man left,can I play the Aroc？

[Warhammer]

I'll take Ermor.

ermor is taken i think

OK, then can I have the other nation I was looking at, Arco?

[Zeldor]

Well, Caelum is free, I switched to Yomi.

[AngelSong]

...maybe I can choose hel

[Quitti]

...maybe I can choose hel

Sorry, like LoLomo said, he informed me in his wanting to join this game on IRC earlier, so I'll rather keep my promise and pick him.

[AngelSong]

...maybe I can choose hel

Sorry, like LoLomo said, he informed me in his wanting to join this game on IRC earlier, so I'll rather keep my promise and pick him.

Ok...

[Corinthian]

...maybe I can choose hel

Sorry, like LoLomo said, he informed me in his wanting to join this game on IRC earlier, so I'll rather keep my promise and pick him.

Ok...

If you really want it, you can have my spot. I underestimated how much time the other games would take when reaching maturity. So if you have less then 4 other games, you can take my spot.

[AngelSong]

Sorry, like LoLomo said, he informed me in his wanting to join this game on IRC earlier, so I'll rather keep my promise and pick him.

Ok...

If you really want it, you can have my spot. I underestimated how much time the other games would take when reaching maturity. So if you have less then 4 other games, you can take my spot.

Thanks,I play two games now,some friend call me play this game for k.o. my Avatar into the hell:).If you can give me chance,I will play this game as hel.

[Quitti]

So, I shall swap Corinthian (TNN) -> AngelSong (Hel). Both of you seem to agree to this.

[Quitti]

Game is now accepting pretenders. None of the UW players really showed much interest in UWGIM so I didn't add it into the mix, so other players don't have to download it either.

See the situation here (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=BearTrap).

[Enoch]

Atlantis pretender uploaded.

[anticipatient]

I've been looking for a game for a while. Haven't played dom3 in quite some time. If somebody drops out or has issues during the pretenders upload stage, or if you would accept another player for any reason, let me know!

:)

[Quitti]

I'll let you know if we find ourselves missing someone :)

[anticipatient]

Wonderful! . . . now if somebody wouldn't mind just dropping dead, that'd be great, thanks.

[Quitti]

We're still waiting for two pretenders :) (cba to check who they are atm)

[Enoch]

As its my first multiplayer game can I ask a couple of questions.

1) Does the server host every 27 hours or when everyone gets their turn files in?

2) Are there any restrictions on who you contact diplomatically i.e. do you have to have met them in game first?

Good luck every one!

[mscfish]

As its my first multiplayer game can I ask a couple of questions.

1) Does the server host every 27 hours or when everyone gets their turn files in?

2) Are there any restrictions on who you contact diplomatically i.e. do you have to have met them in game first?

Good luck every one!

1.If the admin enable "quick host" which is regularly,the server will host at once when it receive the last one's turn file.
But if someone don't send his turn file in time(now ,it's 27h),the server will host 27h after last hosting.
2.Look at this on the first page
"Machiavellian diplomacy. Backstab whoever you want, but don't expect them to like it - though I'd like to request that whatever happens in this game, stays in this game."
So,just do anything you want.

[llamabeast]

You don't have to have met someone in the game in order to message them, no. I guess you have to imagine that all the pretenders can detect and contact each other by some kind of crystal ball system.

[Calahan]

You don't have to have met someone in the game in order to message them, no.
Hhhhmmmm, personally I wouldn't be too quick off the mark saying this (that "making contact before meeting in-game" is ok) is the accepted norm for games.

Early on in one of the Newbie games I am currently running, one of the players wasn't too happy about two of his neighbours chatting before they had met in-game, since as the game developed, these two players were also the same two neighbours who ended up rushing him. I looked into the complaint at the time, and concluded the original contact was more-or-less harmless. But at the same time I could certainly understand the player who got rushed feeling a bit aggrieved, as it appeared to him his two neighbour agreed to rush him just a few turns after the game had started, and well before they even got close to having in-game borders, or finding out where each other was on the map. Indeed, the rushed player hadn't even met one of his would-be rushers in-game at the time, which didn't help matters, as it only aided his opinion that one of his rushers might only have known about his cap location from the other rusher he had contact with pre-meeting in-game.

So again personally, in future newbie games I run I will likely have a rule that contact between players inside the first 15 turns must be limited to those you have in-game borders with, as I want to avoid unwanted drama in my newbie games. (although this particular game isn't a newbie game of course. So you can likely expect more 'advanced' settings on all options. But just thought I'd point out that I don't think llamabeast's quote should be automatically accepted as the standard norm on the "making contact before meeting in-game" issue for all games)

[Quitti]

While Calahan has a point there, this game does not limit people from communicating with each other, no matter who the players are, have they met, and so on. Let the information flow freely!

[nozshand]

first turn blind attack failed miserably, remind me never do it again :/

[Enoch]

Thanks for the answers about diplomacy. What Calahan talked about was what I was concerned about, but glad to know I am clear.

[Warhammer]

Nozshand, don't first turn blind attack.

[rabelais]

Anyone interested in trading me some earth gems for water gems or cash? Since we don't need them for hammers thought I might try a thugging experiment.

Have very limited quantities of other gems if you prefer.

PM or in game mail. thanks.

[Zeldor]

nyfair:

Can you enable PMs? :)

[nyfair]

OK, it has been done and sorry for the late reply ;)

[nerozero]

I'm having a little problem. I noticed the turn has been processed on llamaserver, but for some reason I haven't gotten the new turn file. How do I fix this?

[Zeldor]

Go to game page there and request resend for your nation.

[nerozero]

Thanks, much appreciated. That worked just perfectly :)

[rabelais]

TC is interested in selling gems for gold at fair (water, nature, fire, earth) to somewhat exorbitant (air, astral, death) rates, depending on type. Contact me either by PM or ingame mail if you have an interest. Thank you.

[Quitti]

Since there'll be a player gone for the weekend (and xmas generally around the corner), we'll be extending the host by 48h or so after next hosting.

Will anyone need more than 3-4 days for their holidays next week, say, from thursday to sunday without hosting?

[Zeldor]

Well, I think that standard [from previous year] is to pause pretty much all games 23.12 - 2.1 ?

[Quitti]

So, 23.12->2.1 it is. Quickhost will be on, so if people submit their turns, it'll host.

[Stagger Lee]

Umm ...,

I got turn 20 half an hour ago, but llama says we're still on 19, waiting on Niefl. I don't think I've seen this before ... :bug:?

[Quitti]

llamaserver's probably just lagging behind with the web interface. It'll probably update sooner than later.

[Enoch]

Merry christmas everyone!

Although of course the Basalt city looks down on these puny human festivals decreasing faith in our god :)

[Warhammer]

I am amazed at the lack of diplomatic decorum by the Abysians. They have launched an assault on the peaceful nation Acrocephale violating our NAP as well as assasinating our peaceful leadership. I encourage all who are honorable to band together to send these invaders back to the Smouldercone from which they have come!

I am willing to work out any deal with any of Abysia's neighbors to trade gems and or information.

[rabelais]

The TC Gem shop is still open for business.

Hordes of useless indies don't pay for themselves, you know! Ask about our after solstice sale, now in its waning quarter.

[mscfish]

I am amazed at the lack of diplomatic decorum by the Abysians. They have launched an assault on the peaceful nation Acrocephale violating our NAP as well as assasinating our peaceful leadership. I encourage all who are honorable to band together to send these invaders back to the Smouldercone from which they have come!

I am willing to work out any deal with any of Abysia's neighbors to trade gems and or information.

What a big lie!

We have contacted you for the NAP treaty,but you don't give us any answer.And now ,you cheat everyone that we have NAP.

Only coward need lies to cover up their weakness.
Just fight like a ture man.

Abysia mscfish

[Quitti]

Ermor has gone MIA on the christmas break. I'll postpone the next hosting by 48h to see if he's coming back - if not, I'll look for a sub.

[P3D]

Quitti,
How much tie do you want to give to nozhand/to find a sub?

[Quitti]

Well, there has been no word from ermor - I'll start looking for a sub. If there's anyone who knows someone who might be interested - ask them.

[Quitti]

Mauxe will be kindly subbing in for Ermors position. Divert any threats (and why not any trade requests too if you have any) to Ermor to him from now on.

[Quitti]

With some odd 6 hours to host or something, half of the players had still not submitted their turns, I postponed the host and about doubled the hosting time so people can catch up after this break we had.

[rabelais]

TC seeks air/astral boosters and 80 bloodslaves. PM with potential terms if you are interested. Thanks.

[Stagger Lee]

Well, this was probably my worst showing yet, and that's sayin' something! In over 30 practice runs I never had close to the trouble I had with indies in the actual game.

Thanks Quitti, for the game. And thanks P3D, for efficiently dispatching my poorly led minions. Good luck to you all!

[P3D]

Well, this was probably my worst showing yet, and that's sayin' something! In over 30 practice runs I never had close to the trouble I had with indies in the actual game.

Thanks Quitti, for the game. And thanks P3D, for efficiently dispatching my poorly led minions. Good luck to you all!

I was also surprised how one-sided that battle was. Your horror tactics misfired spectacularly.
I think Turmoil is not a good idea for Hinnom. And you should have used chariots and not dawn guards for initial expansion.

[rabelais]

Hiya all.Just a short note, it's a much longer story, but my toddler just got home so I'll have to be brief.

I've been ambivalent about this game for some time, mostly because Yomi (Zeldor) has spent the entire game trying to shake me down for territory in exchange for "peace". By which he meant pay him off not to dogpile me after Ulm declared war. Really just been a tiresome jerk about it. Constant nagging, threatening and self-justification. The friendly extorter who just can't bring himself to behave less unreasonably because of "the graphs". Really makes me dread his every diplo. He's also been in violation of our nominal NAP for almost the entire game. So I'm attacking him. I will probably lose because I've left it too long. But I encourage everyone else to attack him too, because he is an annoying jerk.

I gave Ulm a very generous peace treaty because he was very forthright in his reasons for declaring war, and admitted he was losing. Also I figured demonstration of generosity of spirit would piss Yomi off.

Agartha is attacking me as well (likely at Yomi's instigation) but I bear him no ill will beyond that due a noncommunicative neighbor who invades you. He won't get far.

Oh and since Yomi has been so concerned with graphs look at the research and castle stats. I will be tying up his army for the foreseeable. I encourage everyone to help prevent his magery/research lead from becoming insurmountable. Also he is a jerk, I assume not just to me. I'm not that special. But I'm enjoying the game more now that my only goal is to kill Yomi.

Hoping the rest of you are having fun too.

Rabe

[Zeldor]

Nice attempt at doing some propaganda there. Quite poor though.

I guess everyone should know that TC is played by unhonourable leadership that does not respect NAPs. NAP that you signed and now you violated.

It's clear who is game leader. Ulm saw it too - and he was the only one brave enough to face you. Well, it's time for others to see it. Game leader that does not respect NAPs, insults players [ha, ha, let's laugh at ghoul31 and insult him - great diplomacy] and feels that he can do everything. Time to check it.

So if anyone wants to take down game leader - please contact me. If you have signed NAP with him join too - he does not respect them, so you will be next on his list. Let's fight arrogance and childish behavior. Let's kill TC.

[rabelais]

See, this is what I find so offensive about your behavior. Almost everything you say is a calculated lie. I have a lot of respect for your guides and general game knowledge, but you should be above this kind of wanker bull****. But perhaps that's why you play the game, for the opportunity of exploitation and the mind****.

Plus you pull the classic Rovian shtick of throwing the exact same accusation back at the person who criticizes you. This isn't your first game. People have seen you pull this crap innumerable times before. I told you privately and now I'm saying publicly, that I would rather go down in flames than put up with this.

And that's the thing about Rove (and implicitly you?) everyone knows he lies, everyone knows he's a jerk and no one likes him or thinks he's an honorable person, even among those who agree with him politically.

Anyway if Ulm, or anyone wants to chime in about our respective characterizations they certainly may. The more light on this the better as far as I'm concerned.

And for the record, I didn't insult Agartha. I just said I didnt think his invasion would work out as well as he hoped.

I have no hopes for my invasion other than making someone else benefits from my throwing my chaff hordes against your flaming arrow bakemonos.

There will be other games. Let's hope you act differently in the next one.

[Zeldor]

See, you should really learn how to talk to people. We could have civilised chat, but you decided to pick a language like here, in last message. Hard to come to any agreement.

Sure, I wanted to make a deal. Deal good for me. I offered reasonable price. You had your own opinion. I did not say you are a jerk, because you don't to agree to my offer. I simply stated the facts. But it looks like my approach with telling the truth did not work. I doubt any would work - you are just too much focused on yourself.

So instead of organising smth with my neighbours, or helping someone fight me, or just trying to win the game you decided that the best solution is to violate NAP and attack me like that? And now you are saying you are the one with better approach to MP?

[rabelais]

We have had a very very very long civilized chat. I even made you several offers to resolve your issues with my having multipath flying site searchers and having expanded in a straight line. This despite your ridiculous shakedown/harassment.

You have been in violation of our NAP for over 10 turns. You took 116 while the NAP was in effect. Abysia and others can verify this. My taking back the province you illegally stole does not constitute *my* violating the NAP.

Your offer was extortion.

You never simply state facts. You are the one who is cavalier about NAP's This is well known in the community. In any case you seem to think our NAP was ending this turn, even though I never received your cancellation notice.

But I will stipulate to that, particularly since it means I am free to actually take your territory, as opposed to taking mine back.

Rabe

[Zeldor]

116 was always mine - and you confirmed that long time ago. So you have violated NAP and took my territory.

So let's see how people in the game feel about having superpower that does not respect any agreements and that cannot be trusted. You can tell a lot, but I have a reputation of always keeping my word and never breaking NAPs. Too bad some people have lower standards...

[mscfish]

This is a game.So show your power in the battlefield.
Sign an NAP treaty and then extort the other when they are attacked is unhonorable.(although it is a strategy,especilally in this game within Machiavellian diplomacy)

[Quitti]

Everything's allowed in this game (Except the extreme cheesy tactics like scout blocking and crap like that). I do not border either of Yomi or TC so I will not opportunize this moment.

Oh and llamaserver seems to have become upset. Maybe it's lover left it or something. Anyway, the game's due to host 10.40pm on TUESDAY now, even though the game page does not show it. At least that's what I've postponed it to (+36h). This is to give llama some time to fix his server - which is awesome work. If you got a few extra bucks/euros, donate them to him to help the incentive to keep the server up :)

[Quitti]

The game is postponed more to prevent it from hosting while llamabeast is looking into the issue. Games seem to be dissappearing when hosting currently, and we wouldn't like to add this into llamabeasts problems, would we?

[Mauxe]

I am hoping to have my laptop connected to wifi tonight.
Currently my power has been off since Tuesday. My house is sub-40 right now and we have had to relocate.
I'll post as soon as I'm able to send in a turn.
(I'm at work now - internet but no Dom3)

Mauxe
(I had internet access Tuesday evening and should have sent in a turn then... but I really never expected this amount of downtime.)

[Quitti]

Zeldor has kindly asked me to find a sub for him due being busy with other stuff - the game has also been postponed for bit more. I have no idea of his situation, but if anyone knows someone who's willing to sub, give me a message on IRC please.

[Zeldor]

Well, just much less time and much less consistent - preventing me from playing on the level that's expected from me. And I hate asking for extensions and slowing down the game - I know how other players hate it. So I'm taking some break from dominions, no idea how long. Too bad, I really like Yomi's potential with research like that :)

[Zeldor]

mcsfish:

Well, how is offering trade extorting? I simply offered a deal, he refused it. He was so infuriated by the fact that I did not agree to his terms that he decided to violate the NAP. Machiavellian diplo is one thing, being childish is another. Apparently rabelais is so fixated on himself that he cannot see that.

[ghoul31]

why wan't the game delayed?

[rabelais]

Zeldor, just stop with the constant lying and deception. It's tedious. If you wish to discuss my conduct, do it with me. I wasn't infuriated you refused my terms. I was infuriated you spent the whole game extorting me while having poached one of my provinces ... all while playing the victim.

I'm not suggesting your behavior was outside the scope of "Machiavellian Diplomacy" just that it was asinine and had sufficiently compromised my pleasure in the game that to restore it I had to focus exclusively on killing you. I bet that happens to you a lot.

[ghoul31]

So what is happenening here? Are we just going to let a nation with 22 provinces stale the rest of the game?

[Quitti]

Which nation would that be? How come the nation would stale for the rest of the game? Have I missed something?

[Aethyr]

I'm willing to sub if you still need one.

[Quitti]

Yes, we still need a sub. I'll PM you.

[arnob]

Hello

i'm very very sorry but I'll unable to play until monday 21th.

Arnob

[Quitti]

And I guess you don't have a sub.

[Aethyr]

Greetings, I've taken over Yomi. I've had no contact with the previous player, so please PM me re: any NAPs, wars, or proposals for that matter.

All NAPs shall be upheld. To those who show friendship, Yomi shall prove itself to be a friend. I shall be contacting my direct neighbors soon to discuss issues of mutual interest.

[rabelais]

I would just like to say that I am finding this game frustrating. I keep moving my armies back and forth. first to fight ulm then to kill zeldor then back to defend aganst agartha, now back toward yomi, now Maverni seeks help against niefel. My troops are really well traveled, but havent gotten much productive fighting in since the fall of Helheim.

Anyone want to *promise* to remain enemies? I'm just so confused.

[Aethyr]

Abysia, we appreciate your kind reply to our message and we hope you will choose friendship rather than aggression. If not, well the Oni are born and bred in fire, and the element holds no terror for us. :)

Agartha, Mictlan, Arco, Sauro, well met! We look forward to discussing issues of mutual benefit soon. Check your PM's please. :)

T'ien Ch'i, we hope your weary travelers find a place of rest sometime soon. ;)

[Quitti]

I've postponed the turn by 9 hours, since I'll be busy at the uni to pretty much the original hosting time and I couldn't finish my turn before getting to lectures.

Maerlande offered to sub for R'lyeh for a turn or two (until monday) - does anyone object to either this or simply postponing the turn until next monday evening US time?

[Quitti]

As I honestly cba to start swapping emails for a player for just one turn, I've postponed the turn by 72h so R'lyeh will not miss any turns or get confused about this. Enjoy the weekend :)

[arnob]

As I honestly cba to start swapping emails for a player for just one turn, I've postponed the turn by 72h so R'lyeh will not miss any turns or get confused about this. Enjoy the weekend :)

Thanks very much !

I played my turn sunday evening and I'm now ready to play normally ...

Very sorry about this

Arnob

[LoloMo]

I'm getting a mail failure notice when trying to send in my turn to llamaserver. Anyone else getting this?

[Aethyr]

No problem here.

[Aethyr]

Ghoul31, that's a nice force you've put together--I was totally unprepared for your magi. I was prepared to loose some troops just to mix it up a little and draw you out, but I did not anticipate the absolute devastation you'd bring with all those gifts of heaven. Well done.

[ghoul31]

You seem to have a silver tongue, turning my friends into enemies.

So anyone thats wants to help me finish off Yomi, let me know.

[nerozero]

Hey everyone, just thought I'd let you know that I'm going away for the weekend and wont' be able to access Dominions while I'm away. I've sent in this turn, but I might not be back before the next turn expires. I don't really think I need an extension anyway, seeing as I'm pretty much defeated at this point.

Anyway, just thought I'd let you know.

[Aethyr]

Quitti, could you please add 6 hours to the timer for the current turn? Thanks

[Warhammer]

Looks like I am out. Thanks for the game guys!

[rmcolosimo]

Hello All.. Just got the turn. I see that there has been a bunch of delays lately, but could I get 12hrs? I might not need them, just want to get caught up.

Thanks.

[rmcolosimo]

Not much of a turn over...Anyone I am allied with, or at war with?

If someone attacks, I guess I know who I am at war with. :)

[Quitti]

No idea about the state of your nation. I guess you don't need that 12h since you've submitted that turn (I already postponed it by 24h once I changed the email address).

[nerozero]

Hi guys, I'll be going away tomorrow on a skiing trip, and won't be back until late sunday. I'll be able to send in the next turn, but after that I'll need an extension.

Seems sort of stupid to postpone the game just because of me, since I'm in no position to win anything, but I'll leave that up to you guys, if you want to put me AI or give me an extension then either will be just fine with me. I'd obviously prefer to play it out though.

[Aethyr]

Seems sort of stupid to postpone the game just because of me, since I'm in no position to win anything, but I'll leave that up to you guys, if you want to put me AI or give me an extension then either will be just fine with me. I'd obviously prefer to play it out though.

nerozero, I don't think you should go AI or have to stale. At least you are getting your turns in on time, and have asked for an extension.

It would be nice to actually see the turn host however, what's up with the consecutive bumps to the timer? Do we need subs for R'lyeh, Sauro, and Atlantis because of multiple stales? I have not moved more aggressively because I don't like to take unfair advantage of this sort of thing, but my benevolence has limits. :D

Seriously, what is going on?

[Quitti]

Sauro wanted an extension, and it didn't seem like everyone wanted to submit their turn in time either. I'm giving them slightly more time to get the turns in. If nothing shows up, I'll ask someone to set people AI or sub for them.

nerozero: I'll try to make sure the game doesn't host more than once while you're gone. It'd still be nice to keep the game going. Depends a bit on how active those semi-away players seem to be.

[nerozero]

That sounds fine by me, thanks!

[Quitti]

So, since atlantis and r'lyeh both seem to be MIA, I'll ask around for sub today for them on the IRC and if I can't find anyone, I'll ask someone to set them AI.

[Squirrelloid]

I am sort of stepping in for Atlantis because it looks like a heroic last stand. I reserve the right to go AI at any time.

If anyone has diplomatic agreements with Atlantis, please let me know.

I assume Rlyeh and Oceania are both at war with me? If not, or if the owner of one of those powers would like to make peace, contact me.

Note that since this is a heroic last stand, i will try to hurt anyone who takes offensive action against my territories or my peoples. The former atlantis obviously had no clue what he was doing, but that doesn't leave me totally without teeth.

[LoloMo]

There is a bug with Infernal Disease, it doesn't cost any blood slaves. How do we deal with this? I suggest giving the blood slaves that should have been used to an AI.

[Quitti]

While I'm generally against house rules of indeterminate kind, I'll agree to that in this case.

If you cast infernal disease, to make the play fairer, be a gentleman and give an AI player 7 blood slaves. Sauromatia would work in this case at least. 7 is the intended cost in 1.7x CBM.

I cannot force this, and I will not check this. But it'd be fair play, as far as anything in dom3 can be considered fair play.

[Aethyr]

My apologies R'lyeh, I should have waited for your reply before deciding my next action.

[nerozero]

Doh, for some reason I thought the game wouldn't host until sunday, oh well. Just letting you guys know that I haven't disappeared.

[BlanketThief]

My apologies R'lyeh, I should have waited for your reply before deciding my next action.

No worries, from the looks of it we both only lost chaff, fairly expensive chaff on my end I was looking to lose anyways.

[rabelais]

why are we still on 51 hours? Isnt it time we went to 75? My kid is sick my mother in law is in the hospital and its about to be passover.

I vote 75 hours, please.

[Quitti]

Since you so kindly requested, I'll postpone the turn by 24h.

Anyway, I'd like to keep it at 51h, but if other people want it to move to ~75h we can do it. Do voice your opinions.

[Gweldorf]

I'll second the request for a longer turn time in general. Things are getting quite complex.

[Squirrelloid]

For the record, when I took over Atlantis I had ~5 items in my lab or on commanders, and I'm hoping one of those was a lucky event. I can't think of a good reason why anyone would actually forge an Axe of Sharpness as Atlantis, at least.

So, as I'm sure a lot of **** is about to blow up in my face, I'd like to think I've done a fair job turning this steaming pile of poo into something that doesn't quite reek so bad you gag.

I do oppose more time though - anything which slows down me getting Atlantis killed off in a spectacular fashion is anti-fun.

[Aethyr]

I'm OK with a longer turm time.

[LoloMo]

Now where did Atlantis get those death gems to put up BoT from? :shock:

[Aethyr]

Ths is Squirrelloid's way of telling us that he wants someone to hurry up and finish him off. :)

[Squirrelloid]

What, you don't like the BoT? What's wrong with you?

Operation: F- the World, commencing as planned.

[nerozero]

Us from Oceania are pleased with Operation F- the World!
Sigh, we have so much in common Atlantis, we both want to see the world burn, why can't we just be friends :)

[Squirrelloid]

Us from Oceania are pleased with Operation F- the World!
Sigh, we have so much in common Atlantis, we both want to see the world burn, why can't we just be friends :)

But but... if we were friends we'd be doing less world burning!

We can be meta-friends who just need to kill each other. It totally works.

[Quitti]

Well, all my D gems are going into annoying abysia. It's fun. Anyone feeling like they wouldn't like to throw the game for aby? Join right in! I don't know if I can bash him alone. Burden of Time is a good start. All my shamans have at least 50 years left to live, and all the important ones got enough death magic to prevent them getting diseased due old age. Aby might not be as lucky...

[Squirrelloid]

Anti-Aby? Hell no. We're anti-everyone-who-isn't-us.

You want some? Come get some.

[Squirrelloid]

Wow, someone was sitting on waaay too many pearls. The rest of the players should thank me for performing a public service and clearing out someone's AN stash.

I'm surprised its Yomi who's coming after me militarily - isn't BoT good for you, being demons and all? Oh well, this is more like it. Party in Atlantis! Liquid refreshments are served!

(Finally, someone who has enough stuff they might end me, yay)

[nerozero]

Alright! Big party under the waves, our Triton Kings will be there, and so will our Bishop Fish now that the BoT is down I suppose. A shame about Operation F- the world though, my Master Lich was so looking forward to it.

[Aethyr]

It was more of a strategic move than a concern about BoT effect on us. Although, I might have thought twice if I had more respect for those basalt kings of yours. :p Funny, I don't remeber them being that tough, and I certainly did not expect to loose two golems in an opening raid. :doh:

[rabelais]

need a sub. mother in law died so even phoning it in won't be possible for the next couple of weeks. sorry and thanks.

[Aethyr]

rabelais, I am sorry for your loss.

[LoloMo]

Our condolences rabelais.



I think we should put this game on hold until a sub is found. TC is a top 3 nation.

[Gweldorf]

Shouldn't we be on hold for TC?

[Aethyr]

I concur wiht the last two posts.

[Quitti]

I'll be postponing the game and look for a sub. Rabelais, sorry to hear for your loss. Take care. And give me a message if you want to come back.

[Pjoo]

Hello, I am Pjoo and I will be your TC sub this and consecutive evenings. Reachable for diplomacy through IRC and with any luck PMs on Shrapnel/Dom3mods.



Also! Lolomo... Go away!

[LoloMo]

Welcome Pjoo, thanks for subbing and saving this game.

Also! Boo!

[Quitti]

I've postponed the game just in case until the llamaserver internet issue has been corrected.

[Aethyr]

Thanks Quitti, I have not been able to devote sufficient time to the current turn due to a busy week. Could you please postpone the current turn until Sunday 24:00GMT? Thanks

[Squirrelloid]

All you latecomers to the party underwater, for shame, thinking you could snipe provinces at little risk. I fear I am doing irreparable harm to Yomi and you all think you can benefit.

I would like to announce that the provinces just siezed by Nieflheim are especially valuable in gem production, and you should contest those provinces fiercely. I'm not kidding. its like 12 gems/trn between the two provinces.

Something like 10 geared SCs coming underwater makes one wonder what Nieflheims other neighbors are doing to afford him such luxury.

[Aethyr]

You might just be right Squirreloid. Had I recalled your stubborn tenacity in time, I might have thought twice about engaging you in UW war. :)

[P3D]

Since when taking back one's own province classifies as sniping?
The only sniping was done by Atlantis when you took three UW provinces of mine when I was occupied elsewhere. I just continued the war started back then.

Sorry for killing that four basalt kings.

All you latecomers to the party underwater, for shame, thinking you could snipe provinces at little risk. I fear I am doing irreparable harm to Yomi and you all think you can benefit.

I would like to announce that the provinces just siezed by Nieflheim are especially valuable in gem production, and you should contest those provinces fiercely. I'm not kidding. its like 12 gems/trn between the two provinces.

Something like 10 geared SCs coming underwater makes one wonder what Nieflheims other neighbors are doing to afford him such luxury.

[mscfish]

To Ctis

We are confused by your banelord.

Your banelord with winged shoes always attack our commanders no matter where they are,on the front or on the rearmost,
even we set many troops on the battlefied and block the flying path.But your banelord could still attack the commanders.
Even when our commander cast phoniex pyre first,and then be attack by your banelord and blink to another position,between the commander and your banelord,there are still many troops,but your banelord with winged shoes still attack the commanders.

These things last out for many turns.

Would you please explain how to do this?
We would very likely to study.

Thanks

Abysia mscfish

[Squirrelloid]

Since when taking back one's own province classifies as sniping?
The only sniping was done by Atlantis when you took three UW provinces of mine when I was occupied elsewhere. I just continued the war started back then.

Sorry for killing that four basalt kings.

All you latecomers to the party underwater, for shame, thinking you could snipe provinces at little risk. I fear I am doing irreparable harm to Yomi and you all think you can benefit.

I would like to announce that the provinces just siezed by Nieflheim are especially valuable in gem production, and you should contest those provinces fiercely. I'm not kidding. its like 12 gems/trn between the two provinces.

Something like 10 geared SCs coming underwater makes one wonder what Nieflheims other neighbors are doing to afford him such luxury.

Your provinces? UW provinces? hah. The incompetence of my predecessor is not a fair basis for a claim. Regardless, the truth about those provinces is out, and thank god i think i might actually die here =P. Longest 'last stand' ever.

[Quitti]

We are confused by your banelord.


Just luck. There is no attack commanders command as far as I know, just 'Fire commanders' from bogus et co. which is banned from this game. I can send the turn to a trustworthy person to confirm I'm not using such commands if you really want to.

[Quitti]

It's starting to be midsummer festival time here. I'll do my turn before leaving, but the next turn might need a slight delay - I'll be back on sunday. I will be on IRC occasionally, so if you need to contact me, leave me a message there.

[Aethyr]

I understand that there are problems with the latest patch. Well, I have not patched yet. I downloaded the latest turn file, but dom crashes when I try to play it. I get a, "...version too old..." message. Anyone else get the same thing?

[LoloMo]

I got the same thing. I patched and everything works. Except several units got double weapons I think. Llamabeast is working on fixing the mods I think.

[Quitti]

I haven't updated my dom3 yet - but fear not, I won't let it host before the game/CBM is fixed. Llamabeast promised a fix at latest on weekend, but he's done the fixing script already. Just as a precaution, I've postponed the turn to host on friday midday.

I wouldn't recommend doing your turn before the mod fix is on llamaserver.

I would appreciate reporting it at least here if anyone sees any weird effects on current turn. I believe it still hosted as last version, but updated to newer one after the turn hosted.

[mscfish]

We are confused by your banelord.


Just luck. There is no attack commanders command as far as I know, just 'Fire commanders' from bogus et co. which is banned from this game. I can send the turn to a trustworthy person to confirm I'm not using such commands if you really want to.

Thank you for the explaination

[Quitti]

Llamabeast to the rescue!

Download the new CB1.71 from http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=779560
It's the fixed version of the mod we're using. Don't do your turn without it if you have patched your dominions 3, and if you have not patched yet, I'd still suggest you use the new mod and patch right after doing the turn (or before).

[Aethyr]

Lords of Abysia:

Though we have been at peace for many seasons, the time of our peace is at an end. Mictlan has been a constant friend from the beginning of our administration, and we will not stand by and see them consumed by your flame. Yomi stands with Mictlan. Cancellation of our NAP is hereby given.

[Aethyr]

So, now we know that not only is Abysia the leading power in the land, but it is a nation that is lacking in honor as well.

So be it, but know this: no one who violates NAP with Yomi will ever profit by it. It matters not what happens next. We will devote every GP, every gem, every.single.resource.to.your.destruction.

[mscfish]

Aethyr,watch your words.

DO WE EVER HAVE SIGNED ANY NAP TREATY?(I have check the messages carefully,there is no words about it)

You libeled us lacking of honor.OK,Let me tell you what is the trueth.We have engaged with Yomi from long long ago,almost in the 10th Turn.Someday Yomi asked us for peace and attack sauro together.Abysia accepted yomi's suggetion and stop attacking with yomi.It keeps a long time until some turns ago(maybe 2 or 3 turns)

When we attack ctis,mic attack us,of course,we must fight back.But Yomi make it pretence,and declare war upon us.

Should we still keep your that "NAP"?How?We even don't kno how many turns of the NAP treay.

Sorry for that too many word of boring.
Just begin the war,Yomi!

[Aethyr]

mscfish, I see no point in continuing this dicussion other than to set the record straight.

You may recall that we traded a few "in game" messages in the begining when I had a SC or two sitting on top of your cap and a few other provinces. My offer, as I recall it, was to withdraw from your lands if you would do the same, and to help you against Sauro if you chose to invade him in exchange for a NAP. Your response was: "we agree to your proposal", or words to that effect. :)

If you do not have the same recollection, it's cool, as you said we're at war now. But I assure you that if I did not believe we had a NAP my "announcemnet" that I was helping Mictlan against you would have been a multi-pronged assault against your core lands rather than a post in the game thread. ;)

To those of you who may be entertaining a notion of watching Aby and Yomi weaken each other for a bit before pouching on one or both of us, you should strike Aby sooner, rather than later.

Unlike C'tis, who has fought valiantly against Aby alone for a very long time, and my attempt at a bit of good-natured role play aside, Aby is too strong for me. So, either suck it up and step up and fight him now, or declare him the victor. It will not take him long to roll me up.

[mscfish]

Lord of ulm

You attack us without canceling the nap3 treay.

We will try our best to vanquish ULM whatever it will cost.

Abysia mscfish

[LoloMo]

Hmm, I don't remember any treaty between us, and I checked my forum messages and there was none. And Abysia is obviously about to win the game, so Ulm can't stay uninvolved any longer.

[mscfish]

Lolomo

Did you check your message carefully?

We don't want to make peace with ULM,but we need to tell everyone what is the truth that the users of ULM is a lier.And even at this moment,he is still lying.

Lolomo,CAREFULLY Check your two message sent in 12-14-2010.

Abysia don't care how many ones are there in the dogpile ,but we really look down on the behavior of ULM,and we will revange.

abysia mscfish

[PriestyMan]

i think mscfish is finding out the hard way why most vets either dont sign NAP's or dont put much trust in them. it is just really dumb to assume someone will be nice to you and give you some kind of bull**** warning before they attack. and there is too much drama anyways

[Aethyr]

NAPs have their place. How much trust one places in them (or should place in them) will always be situational, and really depends on the players involved. Drama? Definately. :)

[LoloMo]

Abysia,

We've checked again, and true enough we did sign a NAP 7 months ago. Since then, we've never had any other communication, and that treaty was tucked 5 pages away.

You have to pardon our Shaman record keeper. He really doesn't like his job and instead of digging through hundreds of leather scrolls in his dark hut, he decided to oil and polish his antler headpiece instead. He has been replaced by his nephew, who hopefully will be more diligent.

So you have earned reprieve from the tiny but surprisingly terrible and feared nation of Ulm for this and the next turn. Our condolences to the dozen or so infantries we chased away. We will remove our troop from the one Abysian fort we have under siege. The silly metal head has an appointment with his optometrist anyway. We resume full scale unilateral devastating invasion in 2 turns. Unless of course you decided to just get on with the business of exacting vengeance on us immediately.

[Quitti]

. it is just really dumb to assume someone will be nice to you and give you some kind of bull**** warning before they attack

Especially in the endgame.


On Other News, the Lizards, that's us, killed 10/11 Aby SCs (and 30 devils or so) on top of our cap without breaking a sweat last turn. Well, there was some sweating, but it froze off quickly in the chill auras. We think one Tartarian managed to escape, but for my quick count, the rest of the pile was worth couple of hundred blood slaves and a total of 735 gems worth of gear and SC chassises. I'm now in possession of some of that gear of course, maybe 200 gems worth of. Can't be arsed to count.

Feel free to exact your quick justice on Abysia. He still does have tons of SCs. I wonder where he gets all those gems - has someone been feeding him? Bad choice. And there's a pile of 200-ish storm demons around too.

[Aethyr]

What's up with the turn host? Llamaserver stuck?

[mscfish]

Sorry,guys.

I am going to take some exam 4 month later,and i need to prepare for it.

The end-game take me too much time to do the turn,and i will find someone to sub me.

[Aethyr]

Good Luck with your studies mscfish. You played a strong game, and Abysia is still the favorite to win it all. Hope to see you in a game again sometime soon.

[mscfish]

Thank you,Aethyr.

There're too many nations fight with us,and we almost pay 3-4 hours to finish one turn,so i give up.Sorry guys.Wish you good luck.I am keeping looking for someone sub for me.

[LoloMo]

Good luck with your exams McFish!

Shall we put the game on hold until a sub is found?

[Quitti]

I've postponed the turn by 72 hours while mscfish is looking for a sub.

[mscfish]

It looks like there isn't anyone who want to sub for me

:(

[Quitti]

So, shall you continue to play then or should we call it a game without a winner, or just set Aby to AI and, well, bugger off to wherever people want to. I'm pretty much done for and don't really care myself, except that if people want to finish it, I'll still be admining it unless someone else wants to take it over which I doubt. I've postponed the turn by 48h again just in case.

[Aethyr]

Quitti, I would be willing to take over the admin duties if you do not want to continue, provided it's OK with everyone else.

As you said, the larger question is what do you folks want to do?

[LoloMo]

I"m ok with the new admin. I vote to play on. At the worst we can set Aby to AI, but we should wait at least a week more for a sub to materialize since Aby is the most powerful nation right now.

[Quitti]

I've once again postponed the turn by 48h, It's on due for wednesday now.

Setting aby AI is about the same as just calling the game. There'd be no point in it after that - the leading (province/gem -wise) nation set to AI pretty much kills the point. That's my opinion.

I'll PM the admin password to Aethyr in case I don't hear any complaints this weekend - It'll be easier to me, I don't really have much to play for in this game. I'll still be holding my cap for a while, but after that I'm toast, as if Abysia can't get it, then Ulm probably will.

[P3D]

I have to agree, I see no point in playing further with AI Abysia.

[Quitti]

I've PM'd Aethyr the admin pw. Let's see if we don't have to call this yet. We'll really need a sub for aby to continue.

You can still contact me on IRC for admin duties, provided that Aethyr won't change the password.

[Aethyr]

Thanks Quitti, I'll keep the same password just in case, and thanks for handling the admin duites thus far.

[Aethyr]

I've added 72 hours to the timer to give it one last try to find a sub. If we can't find one in that time we might have to call the game.

Or, we can save some time and you can all declare Yomi the victor now. ;)

[TwoBits]

I tell you what, since I'm down to one game at the moment, I can take over Abysia if you still need or want someone.

But I have a big project going through the weekend, so I wouldn't be able to do a turn until early next week.

So let me know if a sub is still wanted (if people are losing or have already lost interest, I probably shouldn't bother), and if waiting another 5-6 days to get going again is OK :)

[LoloMo]

Twobits is definitely a good sub for Aby. Might even be able to wrap up the win in a few turns! I'm good with waiting another 6 days for a player as good as twobits.

[Quitti]

Waiting is fine for me - I'm not in a hurry to go anywhere.

[Aethyr]

Thanks TwoBits! I'm willing to wait as well.

[TwoBits]

Cool. Can whoever is in charge shoot me a PM, and I'll send back my email, and we can get things rolling! I wont be able to do the turn until after the weekend, but I can take a look now, and get an idea what the situation is :)

[Aethyr]

TwoBits, I add another 72 hours to the timer, but just let me know if you need more time. Many thanks for stepping in, and welcome to the game!

[TwoBits]

OK, I got the turn. Damn, what the hell have I gotten myself into? Is it too late to run away? ;)

So what's the diplomatic situation like? Am I pretty much at war with everyone? And if so, is that recent like I think (I'm wondering if that's what pushed the previous Abysia player over the edge :cold: )?

Anyhow, like I said, I'm busy this weekend, so I'll need a few more days. But then, prepare to burn! :D

[mscfish]

Thank you for take care of aby.

Wish you good luck and get the victory.

[TwoBits]

All right. I've finished the big project, and have had a bit of time to look at the game - once again, what the hell have I gotten myself into? ;)

Um, I think I'll be able to get the next turn in in the not too distant future, but could I have 12 extra hours added to the clock, just to make sure there are no problems?

And if anyone has any diplomatic information or the like to impart, please don't hesitate to PM me here or at the alternate forum.

[Aethyr]

12 hours added per request

[BlanketThief]

'Fraid for some reason dominions is just refusing to run at the moment, so it looks like R'yleh is going to need a sub until this all gets worked out.

[Aethyr]

BlanketThief, sorry to hear you're having trouble. Are you trying to find a sub right now?

[BlanketThief]

Yup, sounds like a friend is willing to take over all of my games for me so that's convenient. Just need him to get back to me with his email so the admins can do their thing.

[Aethyr]

Great. I added another 24 hours to give your sub a chance to get the turn in, let me know if you need more.

[TwoBits]

Wow. I feel like I've just taken a big bite from a huge #@%&-sandwich :doh:

I've got the sneaking suspicion (but zero evidence to back this up, so just my feeling) that the last Abysia player, seeing this impending uber-gank on the horizon, wisely found other things to do ;)

Well, I'm just a damn sub, but what the hell. In the immortal and infamous words of blowhard jocks and drunken 'bull in a china shop' presidents everywhere, I say "BRING IT ON!" :mad:

Yep, you all might bring me down, but this nut is not going to crack easy. I'll see that a few of you at least, choke on it before I'm gone. Let the fun begin, and the world burn... :p

[Aethyr]

Gentlemen,

We've had some delays of late for various reasons, so I hate to slow things down but I need to add 24 to the timer to deal with a RL issue AND have enough time to give this next turn the consideration that its due. I apologize for the delay.

[TwoBits]

And I apologize for my drunken ranting in the post above ;)

[LoloMo]

Hehe, we all need a wake up call. THE BIG BAD ABY IS OUT TO GET US ALL!! :p

[Aethyr]

Marverni, we apologize for the for the unfortunate encounter. A most costly battle or us both it seems.

[LoloMo]

Hi, just a heads up. I'll be out of the country from Aug 18 to 22, so I probably will not be able to do my turn during that time. I'll try to complete my turn before I leave. Thanks!

[Aethyr]

So, it looks like the timer has been bumped at least twice this turn. Quitti are you getting requests for time extensions?

[Aethyr]

24 hours added

[TwoBits]

5 out of 10 players stalled last round. Oceania's been gone for 8-9 turns now (but they don't have much left). R'lyeh and Micltlan the last 4-5.

[Aethyr]

Quitti's the official admin, so I'll defer to him. But here's what I know: I have heard from Mictlan, and he does not intend to return. R'lyeh's sub apparently had a problem (?), but Blanket_thief is back and should play the current turn - BT please confirm.

Hopefully the TC and Marverni stales were incidental and not an indication of future intent? Guys, what can you tell us?

I know the TC player does not (apparently) frequent this forum much, but can be reached on IRC (which I do not frequent), perhaps someone can inquire with him?

@ TC, I also sent you an in game message last turn. Our deal re: 116 is hereby revoked as it was never fully commsumated on your part. Yomi shall now hold this province against the firery hordes of Abysia!

@ Nief your assault on our ally Ulm has been witnessed, seriously?

[P3D]

Quitti's the official admin, so I'll defer
@ Nief your assault on our ally Ulm has been witnessed, seriously?

Returning from Inferno.

I am about done anyways, FWIW.

[Gweldorf]

Sorry about my stale. I'm still playing, I just lost track of time that turn. My fault, won't happen again I hope.

[Aethyr]

Returning from Inferno.



Ah. Thanks

[BlanketThief]

Well, this is mildly disappointing. The 'Doomsayer' hero for EA Ryleh has several of his weapons as undefined in this version, making him go from cute gimmick to more chaff.

[Aethyr]

Sorry about my stale alst turn; I got back late from an out of town trip.

[nerozero]

Hello all!

I'm the long gone Oceania player of this game (can't believe I'm still in this). Sorry about the stalling on my part, but I was unfortunately injured in that horrible explosion that happened in Oslo, Norway this summer (I'm ok now by the way). So I've had my mind elsewhere to be honest, and didn't even think about this until today. I guess I might as well be set to AI at this point, can't imagine that there's much left.

Anyway, looking forward to playing more Dominions, and good luck with the game :)

[Aethyr]

nerozero, thanks for checking in, and I'm glad to hear that you are OK.

[BlanketThief]

Sorry about the recent staling and all of that. My current schedule sorta has me missing both the reminder and deadline. I'm going to put a bit of effort looking for a sub.

[LoloMo]

Sorry about the stale, I sent in my turn I think a full 12 hours before the deadline. Llamaserver only replied after the turn hosted already, and it reflected that I sent in the wrong turn number.

[BlanketThief]

Going to be out of town for the next few days, I'm not sure if I'll have internet access and whatnot so I might need a delay on the next turn.

Edit: That is, I should be able to get this turn in a few hours, but y'know.

[BlanketThief]

Eh, doesn't seem like I can edit my prior message, but a bit of an issue popped up and the trip is delayed until thanksgiving, so no delay required.

[Aethyr]

Sorry for the delay folks, I've got family in from out of town and I've had little/no time for play the current turn.

[TwoBits]

Time to specify the VC - from Quitti's initial post:

"Hold 1/3 caps (7 caps for 16+3) for 3 consecutive turns"

I've never been exactly clear on what exactly defines 'holding a cap' in these self regulated VC games. I presume it at least means being in control of (and not just besieging) the capitol's fortress, if there is one. Or does just controlling the province fulfill the VC (no need to actually storm the fortress - although that just seems too easy)?

If control of the capitol's fortress is necessary, is it also necessary to control the province as well? Or is holding the fort alone enough to count as control?

In games with established VP conditions (meaning VP locations built into the map), I'm pretty sure just controlling the cap fortress is enough to claim the VP.

Just wondering, cause, well, it's gettin' about that time... ;)

[Aethyr]

Hey Guys, I've postponed the next host for about a week at LoloMo's request so he can celebrate his honnymoon.

TwoBits, re your VP question, holding the fort alone is enough to count as control. :)

[Squirrelloid]

TwoBits, re your VP question, holding the fort alone is enough to count as control. :)

More specifically, holding the fort is *necessary* and *sufficient* to control the capital. The province itself doesn't matter for purposes of winning.

[Aethyr]

Squirrelloid, you are indeed correct, my answer was imprecise. Thanks for the correction. :)

[BlanketThief]

Fraid I have to sub out for at most 2-3 weeks, at least until I get settled into the new house or get over my illness, whichever comes first.

[Aethyr]

Hope you feel better soon BT. R'lyeh's big enough to play spoiler (at least). Added 24 hours to timer to see if a sub can be found. After that, what do you folks say, continue?

[TwoBits]

Only three people did turns, after having had more than a week. Is this game still going?

[LoloMo]

I'm still in! Sorry for the stale, was supposed to get back in time to finish and send in the turn last night, but got delayed.

[BlanketThief]

Just finished moving all the boxes/furniture to the new place, still need to unpack but I can get my turns in.

[Aethyr]

Hey guys.

I'm sorry for the stales. I'm borrowing some computer time as I have a problem with my box that I will not be able to address/replace anytime soon.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but I will not be able to continue. I will send TwoBits the password so that the game may continue if that is what you all decide to do.

Aethyr

[TwoBits]

OK, I've got the password from Aethyr (sorry you have to go, and good luck with your computer issues!), and have added 24 hours to the clock, and can add more time if/as necessary.

Is it necessary? Abysia now controls 7 caps (its own, Arco, Marverni, Marignon, C'tis, Kailasa, and Hinnom). Ulm has me under siege at C'tis' old cap, but I'm fairly confident I can beat off any attempt to storm the place. I'd be interested to run one more turn just to find out though :)

Other than that, I'm fortifying all those caps, I'm still cranking out tarts and other SCs (Astral Corruption is a b*%#h, but Storm Demons make excellent bodyguards against Lesser and regular Horrors), I've got the Chalice, and 3 S5+ commanders able to wish it back if necessary. And now I've got Arcane Nexus up, just in case.

So what do folks think about continuing or calling it?

[LoloMo]

I'm am for conceding the game to Aby.

But of course, if people really want to continue, and we find an eager sub for Yomi, I am willing to fight on as well! I just can't fight Aby all by my lonesome :-)

[BlanketThief]

My position is the same as Lolomos basically