NewbsGoneWild: Uninhibited amateur action! [Quell wins]

[iRFNA]

The only rule is that there are no rules! Well, besides that you should be a newb, using the rough definition of 10 or less MP games. Or whatever.

Mods:

Single Age Mod (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6299&d=1212179279)
Llama's Streamers and Standards (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6545&d=1218103230)
CBM 1.71 (http://www.mediafire.com/?adyxdt2l566i6qn)


Info:

Gandalf's server (game.dom3minions.com), direct connect
Llama's Parganos (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39857) map
48 hour quickhost
9 players
35 magic site frequency
Score graphs off
Renaming on
Everything else default


Players:

iRFNA - MA Man
Admiral_Aorta - EA R'lyeh
lwarmonger - MA C'tis
freepower - EA Hinnom - International Man of Mystery
Quell - LA Bogarus
Peacekeeper - EA Fomoria
Thanatus del Dragos (was krpeters) - EA Vanheim
NaivePhilosopher - MA Pythium
DEAD: Cerlin - EA Tir na n'Og - Hijacked by Skynet's retarded cousin

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'd like to join this game as EA R'yleh if that's ok. Just one question, what port is this game using, since I couldn't find it on the list of games on the server?

[iRFNA]

I'll PM the port number to you, feel free to upload your pretender whenever.

Oops, you don't have private messages enabled. Might wanna do that since diplomacy is often conducted via PMs on the forums due to the relative ease compared to ingame messages.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Right, I've enabled them now.

[rabelais]

If you are using the canonical Aran I suggest 150% money.

possibly 150% prod+supplies

I believe the map even mentions this itself, now.

Also potentially higher magic sites. with no hammers you may need a little extra.

[iRFNA]

I guess I could switch it to parganos if aran seems to have too many wastelands, it could suck to be stuck with them. I'm aware of the CBM 1.7 changes and the magic site rate is intentional.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I think I'd prefer Parganos, but I'm playing a water nation so I may be biased. ;)

[iRFNA]

Haha, I'm fine with that, although another water nation joining the fray may cramp your style.

I'm not gonna restart the server itself with the new map yet, just to see if other people who join also agree with the decision or have other input. I will change the description to llama's parganos map, however. We obviously won't be using the dead seas version, no matter how amusing of a start that would be.

[lwarmonger]

I'll play. MA C'tis if you don't mind.

[iRFNA]

Alright, 5 to go.

[freepower]

Can I be EA Hinnom? This'll be my first ever MP game, erp. Looking forward to it! :D

[iRFNA]

Sure... I hope I'm eaten first.

[Quell]

I'd like to play LA Bogarus. Would be my second game :)

[iRFNA]

Gotcha, 3 to go. I've never looked at the bogarus units before.. Your nation is damn creepy.

[Peacekeeper]

ill take on EA Fomoria, this being my 4th mp game of dominions 3.

[iRFNA]

freepower, could you enable private messages? It's both for the minor sending of the port number but also for conducting diplomacy throughout the game.

[krpeters]

If you're still looking for players, I'd like to take EA Vanheim out for a spin.

This is my 3rd game, and I didn't last very long in the first two.

[iRFNA]

Ok, one more slot to go.

[bgifu]

MA Pythium please.

[iRFNA]

Ok, all slots filled! Everyone has had the port number PMed except freepower, so I'll send that once he enables them. Everyone go ahead and upload your pretenders

[krpeters]

So, where are we at now? Waiting for people to upload pretenders?

[iRFNA]

Ya, once lwarmonger and freepower have their pretenders in, we're ready to go.

[Peacekeeper]

cmon ya bums, time to upload those pretenders.

[iRFNA]

Well, during this calm before the storm, I'd like to ask anyone that wants to quit mid-game to please say so in the thread and not go AI. Let me find a sub if possible. Even if you're frustrated cause you started between hinnom and vanheim and the rapetrain haven't brakes.

[lwarmonger]

Ok, this is the first game I have played on my new computer, and the last one I played was before I went to Iraq over a year ago. There is no saved games file in the Dominions 3 directory, and having searched my entire hard drive I am at a loss as to where dominions is storing those things. I tried creating a save game folder, but without knowing exactly what it is supposed to be called I can't save a pretender to it from the creation screen. I was wondering exactly what your all savegame folder is called?

[iRFNA]

The folder is dom3 folder\savedgames\newlords\

Although, wherever it happens to be saving your pretender doesn't matter, since you just log into direct connect, find your nation, and pick it? If you have more than one pretender for that nation, there's a list to choose from, otherwise it immediately activates you with your singular god.

[lwarmonger]

Sweet. It is saving it somewhere, but hell if I can find it. Anyway, pretender uploaded.

[iRFNA]

Alright, now it's just freepower, who sadly hasn't even logged in since he made his single post...

[Peacekeeper]

Alright, now it's just freepower, who sadly hasn't even logged in since he made his single post...

sounds like its time to find a replacement. did he ever turn his PMs on?

[Admiral_Aorta]

Huh, you'd think he'd at least wait for the game to start before going AI.

[iRFNA]

Well, because 7 people seems too few for this map and it gives freepower a bit more time to appear, I'm going to open up one extra slot. If someone joins up, uploads their pretender, and we're all good to go... then we have 8 people. If freepower reappears in the meantime, we get 8 or 9 depending. Sound good?

[krpeters]

Sounds good to me -- as long as it doesn't take too long to find a replacement.

I seem to recall similar startup trouble in the last two games I played. What's the usual time to start a game once it's announced, about two weeks or so?

[Cerlin]

I would be interested in playing. Is the faction already locked?

[iRFNA]

You can pick any nation that isn't taken. In case freepower makes a miraculous appearance, that includes his choice of EA Hinnom.

[Cerlin]

Ok I will be EA Tir na n'Og. I will send my pretender asap.

[iRFNA]

Ok, port PMed! Nice to see this game finally getting off the ground, lol

[Cerlin]

Thanks! I am uploaded and ready to go.

[freepower]

Hello there. :o

It seems thread notification works slightly differently to the other forums I'm signed up to. :doh:

I got the reply to my post and then hadn't got a peep since, decided to pop in just to check. Thanks very much for waiting, very kind of you to ignore the first epic noobfail of the game.

Or pregame even.

( :o )

Creating Pretender now, sending asap (within the hour for sure), hold the presses etc.

[iRFNA]

lol, I sent the port and asked gandalf to not yet start the server.. Way to cut it close

[freepower]

You are all gentlemen of the first order for waiting, even the squishy things and necrolizards.

Just to check - I presume "instant" email notification sends you an email every time there's fresh posts? I got a notification of your post and PM, just seem to have missed any info between you welcoming me to the game and the game almost starting... >.>

Are we using any multipliers on anything?

[iRFNA]

I have no idea, I've never used that stuff...

As far as multipliers, it's all default besides 35% magic sites (LA rate).

[lwarmonger]

You are all gentlemen of the first order for waiting, even the squishy things and necrolizards.

Just to check - I presume "instant" email notification sends you an email every time there's fresh posts? I got a notification of your post and PM, just seem to have missed any info between you welcoming me to the game and the game almost starting... >.>

Are we using any multipliers on anything?

Hey, I'm all about welcoming people into my home... my disease ridden, swampy, festering home. Welcome!

[Admiral_Aorta]

You are all gentlemen of the first order for waiting, even the squishy things and necrolizards.

Just to check - I presume "instant" email notification sends you an email every time there's fresh posts? I got a notification of your post and PM, just seem to have missed any info between you welcoming me to the game and the game almost starting... >.>

Are we using any multipliers on anything?

There should be a button somewhere that allows you to subscribe to a thread, and then you can get emailed whenever someone replies.

[freepower]

Yeah, email notification seems totally fine now, and I seem to have had no problems with the mods, pretender submission, whatever. Looking forward to playing with all of you rather than the AI. :P

IE, ready to go, have submitted pretender! :D

Made some interesting (I haven't tried em before :P ) choices design wise, and honestly have no idea if they'll play out. I wouldn't even know what standard MP play is, although I've read the noob guides and such.

Hey, I'm all about welcoming people into my home... my disease ridden, swampy, festering home. Welcome!

Thank you, and feel free to visit my desolate wastelands anytime for a cup of blood and a few biscuits. ^_^

And once again, thank you all for your patience, can't wait! :D

[iRFNA]

Server is up, let the game begin! Gandalf says a "cheat notice" is an error about mismanaged mods or something, so if that happens to you, post about it and we can work it out.

May the worst player win!

[Admiral_Aorta]

Do those crowns on the map indicate starting provinces?

[iRFNA]

No, from what I understand, they are victory points. Although since we aren't using VP capping as a way to win, they will only function as a 5 dom "temple" for spreading your dom. So they are mostly useless.

[freepower]

My goodness, last to play the first turn as well...

A little question, is independent strength 5? I'm just in a slightly unusual position regarding my surrounding provinces... >.>

[Peacekeeper]

Info:

* Gandalf's server (game.dom3minions.com), direct connect
* Llama's Parganos map
* 48 hour quickhost
* 9 players
* 35 magic site frequency
* Score graphs off
* Renaming on
* Everything else default


default would be independants 5. Im not exactly thrilled with my starting location either so at least you arnt alone.

[iRFNA]

Ya, indies are 5. Can I join the "i'm gonna get raped by my starting location" club?

[Peacekeeper]

Ya, indies are 5. Can I join the "i'm gonna get raped by my starting location" club?

depends, how many neighbouring provinces do you have?

[iRFNA]

It's not the count of neighboring provinces that worries me... Oh well, the imperium has ever been under siege.

[Peacekeeper]

i hope its bogus, lol.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Wow, Bogarus's god got killed on the first turn. That's gotta hurt.

[freepower]

Heavy Cavalry? :P

[Admiral_Aorta]

It's also possible he's using an immortal pretender.

[Peacekeeper]

my guess is its a lich of some kind.

[iRFNA]

If it was immortal, how could he be sure that he'd have dom in the prov he attacked on turn 1... That seems like a crazy risk to take.

[freepower]

Goodness, learning interesting things here. :)

Maybe he's Dom10? I seem to get a pretty reliable ring of single candles from that.

And attacking first turn with any pretender always seemed super risky to me...

[Peacekeeper]

If it was immortal, how could he be sure that he'd have dom in the prov he attacked on turn 1... That seems like a crazy risk to take.

after wondering about this i went and tested. Combat seems to happen before dominion spread, so no matter what that pretender is RIPed. Seems none of us are having a great start this game, lol!

[Admiral_Aorta]

Sounds like it's just a normal pretender that got killed then. Are everyone's starting positions really that bad?

[iRFNA]

after wondering about this i went and tested. Combat seems to happen before dominion spread, so no matter what that pretender is RIPed.

Damn, that's brutal.

[freepower]

Mine is worthy of circumcised blood drinking death giants.

Thank goodness I picked Hinnom. XD

[iRFNA]

Ya, I think we're gonna have to put down hinnom before he eats everything...

[Peacekeeper]

Sounds like it's just a normal pretender that got killed then. Are everyone's starting positions really that bad?

sounds so far like someone just started in a bad spot, someone started with hard independant neighbours, someone had a bad event on turn 1 and is now having his capital sieged and someone lost their pretender on a turn 1 blind attack.

[freepower]

^ so a few people are doing well and keeping quiet. Someone has 2 provinces and is surrounded by rich farmland, no doubt. :P

Ya, I think we're gonna have to put down hinnom before he eats everything...

You may find that CBM-noob-Hinnom is less terrifying than Vanilla-veteran Hinnom. :P

[krpeters]

I have a corner start. Bwahahaha!

Also, I noticed that random events seem more painful in CBM. I'm starting to wonder if luck is still a good choice given the number of barbarian raids it brings (greater chance of events).

[freepower]

There are some amazing positive events though, like that one that gives 3k gold, a lab and a huge pile of gems.

I notice that my labs burn down ALL THE BLOODY TIME. >.<

[Admiral_Aorta]

If your mages weren't always handling flammable materials you wouldn't have that problem. You could also move underwater.;)

[iRFNA]

I think his problem is all the clumsy giants trying to cook each other for a quick meal.

[Peacekeeper]

I have a corner start. Bwahahaha!

Also, I noticed that random events seem more painful in CBM. I'm starting to wonder if luck is still a good choice given the number of barbarian raids it brings (greater chance of events).

theres a list of events and what scales need to be in provinces to have them. barbarians for example need either sloth or turmoil (i dont remmeber which but im going to go look it up).

[freepower]

Don't be daft, we don't cook em. Blood nation, remember? :P

Speaking of which, I must play more Abysia and see if their fire resistance translates to less lab rebuilding...

theres a list of events and what scales need to be in provinces to have them. barbarians for example need either sloth or turmoil (i dont remmeber which but im going to go look it up).

The manual or elsewhere? Sounds interesting!

[Peacekeeper]

some where on these forums but i cant remember where it was.

[Admiral_Aorta]

There's an event list here: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45185&highlight=event+list
CBM's are probably a bit different though.

[krpeters]

If your mages weren't always handling flammable materials you wouldn't have that problem. You could also move underwater.;)

Does the "lab burn down" event occur to underwater races? That would be funny as hell :)

[lwarmonger]

C'tissan Swamps are spreading. Very soon we'll have a sphere of influence marked out.

Attacking on turn 1 is pretty gutsy though. Something I don't do unless I'm beginning with a nation that starts with vastly superior troops.

[iRFNA]

Enjoy your festering garden while you can, plaguebearer. The rot of nurgle is no match for the Emperor.

[lwarmonger]

Keep your peasants in their forests. If there you remain perhaps you can escape enslavement by your betters.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Hey now, there's no need to threaten each other. You should all come to R'yleh for a snack and we can talk it over. Just make sure you bring your brains.

[Peacekeeper]

Hey now, there's no need to threaten each other. You should all come to R'yleh for a snack and we can talk it over. Just make sure you bring your brains.

i would like to take you up on that offer ... mind sending me your address.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Actually, you can just throw some brains in the water, we'll find them eventually.;)

[iRFNA]

Listen not to his lies! The daemons of tzeentch are not to be trusted! He will eat your brains!

Of course, it is all you deserve, warpspawn.

[Peacekeeper]

Actually, you can just throw some brains in the water, we'll find them eventually.;)

which water? there are 2 pools on the map.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Ah, now that would be telling.

[lwarmonger]

I really like fish. Quite tasty.

[Cerlin]

Well I was as little scared when I saw that dead pretender but thankfully it is not me.

My first expansion was not bad, silly humans are no match for fir bolg. Though friendly fire rocks are always dangerous (singers kinda suck.)

[lwarmonger]

Giants usually can expand much faster. Humans though, very dangerous. Especially if you happen to hit a heavy cavalry territory.

[Peacekeeper]

Giants usually can expand much faster. Humans though, very dangerous. Especially if you happen to hit a heavy cavalry territory.

if only it were so! i hope hinnom is having better luck than I.

[krpeters]

I know where R'lyeh is hiding... but that would be spoiling the fun for everyone else. :)

[Admiral_Aorta]

And how did you come by that infomation I wonder?

[Peacekeeper]

I know where R'lyeh is hiding... but that would be spoiling the fun for everyone else. :)

by all means share, and i will share with you the location of one more.

[Quell]

And how did you come by that infomation I wonder?

Some candles in the water maybe?

[Admiral_Aorta]

We really should stop using candles that can burn underwater.:)

[lwarmonger]

Anybody's candles can go underwater.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I know that, it was a joke.

[freepower]

How come we can come up with underwater candles but not a fireproof lab?

Also, hello my first neighbour! Snack sized people, what next?

[lwarmonger]

I was talking more to Quell actually. Candles in the water doesn't necessarily mean underwater nation.

[iRFNA]

Who else would have a use for, much less have, underwater candles? Especially considering the technological hurdles involved in their creation.

[Peacekeeper]

Who else would have a use for, much less have, underwater candles? Especially considering the technological hurdles involved in their creation.

someone with big amphibious units.

[Quell]

I was talking more to Quell actually. Candles in the water doesn't necessarily mean underwater nation.

Yeah of course, but early in the game it's more likely that the dominion is coming from an underwater nation, especially if there's more that one water province with the dominion.

[krpeters]

Wow, everyone's so quiet now that the game's underway.

So, who has the baddest awake pretender so far?

[iRFNA]

Bogarus

[Peacekeeper]

my pretender is pretty bad ***.

[Quell]

Bogarus

You'd be surprised :evil:

[freepower]

The HoF claims R'lyeh has a pretty neat pretender. ^_^

Who needs a badass pretender when you're blood drinking giants anyhoo?

[Admiral_Aorta]

The hall of fame is right! And Man's pretender is very rude. We're not demons, we're mind controlling fish monsters. Big difference.

[Peacekeeper]

should we postpone and try to get a hold of bigfu? 12 hours left on the timer and no sign of him.

[freepower]

I have no problem waiting. :)

Was going to ask, are we taking a break over christmas or not? Might be tricky for me to make all my turns, but hopefully not impossible.

[krpeters]

Is bigfu playing MA Pythium? I see he's going to stale in 24 minutes.

[lwarmonger]

You stale, you stale. 48 hours is more than enough time to make turns. At least you are building up a fair amount of cash in the meantime!

[freepower]

Hehe, fair nuff. Better remember to bring all my installation stuff with me when I visit the family then...

[iRFNA]

I'll see what I can do about extension over christmas, any suggestions for how long? Gandalf has to restart the server for the extension then restart it again for normal hosting as far as I know (maybe not?), so it's not something I want to ask of him unless necessary

[freepower]

Well, to be honest it's not a big deal for me, but if it's impossible for someone I'd rather have a break and reconvene than just leave someone out for like, 10 days. :P

[krpeters]

I don't mind a break if I know everyone is coming back afterwards... but momentum can be a *real* problem if people forget to come back.

Speaking of coming back, anyone know where MA Pythium is?

[Peacekeeper]

I'll see what I can do about extension over christmas, any suggestions for how long? Gandalf has to restart the server for the extension then restart it again for normal hosting as far as I know (maybe not?), so it's not something I want to ask of him unless necessary

id suggest putting it on quick host til the new year. Play turns when we can and itll host when everyone has a turn in.

[iRFNA]

Well, no point in having pythium stale again.. I'll ask gandalf to put the game on just quickhost, give pythium a bit, then start looking for a sub.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm fine with quickhost over christmas. Hopefully we can get a sub for Pythium, the game's barely started.

[iRFNA]

Well, I think it's safe to say that bgifu isn't coming back. Going to try to find us a sub.

[Peacekeeper]

im going to be out of town from teh 27th to the 1st, should i find a temp sub or do you guys want to let it run?

[iRFNA]

I'm just gonna keep it on quickhost without a time limit until early january, due to all the holiday travel.

[iRFNA]

Sub found! NaivePhilosopher saves the day

[NaivePhilosopher]

Yep. If, as a token of gratitude, you would all bow before the might of Pythium, I'd appreciate it ;)

[Quell]

Yep. If, as a token of gratitude, you would all bow before the might of Pythium, I'd appreciate it ;)

Welcome! However don't expect any bowing from Bogarus ;)

[lwarmonger]

Fomoria is distracted by an unprevoked attack on the mighty C'tissan empire! For those who wish to crush an opponent off balance now is the time!

[krpeters]

Yay! We're saved! Thank you NaivePhilosopher for coming aboard!

Pythium's position looks fairly respectable. Good luck!

[Peacekeeper]

Fomoria is distracted by an unprevoked attack on the mighty C'tissan empire! For those who wish to crush an opponent off balance now is the time!

im gonna crush you lizards under my giant heels.

[lwarmonger]

Assuming you survive the diseases. C'tissan homesoil is a fun place to die... and breaking a non-aggression pact to do it! Clearly an untrustworthy nation. All players beware of the oathbreaker!

[iRFNA]

It's no surprise when dealing with mutants. However, this is all you deserve, nurgle-spawn.

[lwarmonger]

You're next, tree dwelling savages. When they are finished with me they are coming after you... except with all of the resources of my swamps behind them.

[Admiral_Aorta]

You don't sound very confident about fighting them off.

[Peacekeeper]

Assuming you survive the diseases. C'tissan homesoil is a fun place to die... and breaking a non-aggression pact to do it! Clearly an untrustworthy nation. All players beware of the oathbreaker!

a nap? we had a 10 turn non-aggression pact, on the 11th turn i attacked. Should keep track of your agreements.

[iRFNA]

Well, I think the typical lingo is that a NAP 10 means a 10 turn warning before breaking it, and it lasts indefinitely until then. I could be wrong. Of course, there's no rules in this game like "you've gotta stick with your diplomacy" so everyone's words are worth very little.

Besides mine. Aliens, mutants, heretics: beware.

[Peacekeeper]

Well, I think the typical lingo is that a NAP 10 means a 10 turn warning before breaking it, and it lasts indefinitely until then. I could be wrong. Of course, there's no rules in this game like "you've gotta stick with your diplomacy" so everyone's words are worth very little.

no he was very specific, a non-agression pact for 10 turns.

[krpeters]

Did we lose Tir na n'Og? Or is he just busy with the holidays?

[lwarmonger]

You don't sound very confident about fighting them off.

I was pretty hemmed in right from the start. I had three avenues of expansion, and all of them led me directly into another player's starting location within three territories... that being said, I can make people bleed. That only matters if they get hit by somebody else however.

[Peacekeeper]

im going to be out of town from teh 27th to the 1st, should i find a temp sub or do you guys want to let it run?

just a reminder im gonna be away for a bit, ill try to get turns in but im not sure ill have access to a computer.

[iRFNA]

TNN, stop spending time with your friends and family so you can play your turn! Your life is meaningless outside of dom3!! If you don't come back soon, I'm gonna stab someone, and by stab someone I mean kick lwarmonger while he's down. His life is in your hands!

[iRFNA]

Yay, TNN lives (but not for long apparently). I guess I'll be nice.

[Peacekeeper]

made it to a computer, ill get my current turn in and probably be home for the next one in time!

[krpeters]

Ouch, I see now why Tir na Nog isn't too happy...

Hmmm, choices, choices, which is more unkind, piling on to someone already in pain, or starting a war with someone who just joined?

[NaivePhilosopher]

Oh jeez, I thought that neighbor was Bogarus for some reason. Oh well, I thank you for the heads up. I'll be sure to fortify that border if that's the route you decide :P

[iRFNA]

Be wary, the trickery of the dark eldar is not to be underestimated.

[Peacekeeper]

i am officially back home, yay.

[lwarmonger]

Yay! Death to all mutants!

[Quell]

Now that the holidays are over maybe let's go back to 48h host?

[iRFNA]

Sounds good, we're back to 48h

[freepower]

I suspect TNN is simply not playing anymore, did he tell you privately that he was continuing?

[Quell]

Nah he's playing for sure, must be busy lately

[iRFNA]

Sometimes, when you're being unjustly massacred, it is hard to get yourself to even look at a turn, much less complete one.

[lwarmonger]

The worse things get the fewer options you have... should mean it is easier making decisions!

[Admiral_Aorta]

Still no sign of TNN, you guys must be really beating on him.

[krpeters]

And I decided to go easy on him and pound on Pythium instead. Oh well.

[iRFNA]

Did TNN stale the last turn?

[Quell]

Yeah, he did

[iRFNA]

Hey, Cerlin, if you're still reading this thread. Ya, it sucks, you got hinnomed. Greater men have fell to lesser things. But there's always another game, and people really appreciate those who play to the bitter end. Personally, when I lose (ok so that's one whopping time but this is a god damn newbie game so what do you expect) I just try to **** over the next best competition to whoever ruined my day by sending gems, trying for a last crippling strike (ok i only wish i could have done that but i got totally raped), whatever. Or just die with grace, or just barely put up a fight and hit end turn. Whatever. But people still really appreciate that, and it's better than getting a reputation as someone who flakes out as soon as they lose a battle. So use whatever crazy glitter fairy troops you have and sneak around and screw someone over or whatever. I dunno, maybe I'm kinda drunk. But still, don't just stale out, remember that there are 8 other people playing this game!

[Admiral_Aorta]

I hope this isn't going to be a trend, going AI is the coward's way out, even if you are getting eaten by Hinnom. Perhaps we should pledge not to go AI if we're losing?

[freepower]

I wish I felt like the unstoppable death machine people are claiming I am. :P

Hinnom is a friendly neighbour with a big appetite, but he keeps his NAPs.

[Gandalf Parker]

Actually the game can have a "players cannot go AI" lock on it.
Its one of the choices of the person running the game can add to the game settings. If a player goes AI it stops everything and gives the person running the game a chance to back out of it to get a sub instead, or allow it to go thru.

[iRFNA]

Ya, I didn't pick that option to save you at least some of the micromanagement troubles. I figure that, with a good faith system, someone will only go AI when they are truly and utterly doomed. So that it won't make much of a difference whether there is a player at the helm or not. Whether or not that is the case, I have no idea.

Obviously, I'd prefer that people play to the bitter end. It's what I intend to do. And I think all the current players have been fairly active in this thread, and that bodes well on the whole "bailing for no reason" front. I'll just say again like I did earlier, if you want to quit but there may somehow be something to salvage, say so in the thread and let me find a sub!

[freepower]

Hehe, Cerlin's not making a hash of fighting to the bitter end anyway. XD

[iRFNA]

Ha, we'll see how you feel when you're being trampled* by the power armor** boots of my sky*** marines.

*too small to trample giants
**it's actually just chain mail
***they can't fly

[freepower]

We'll see how you feel when I have Melquarts eating your virgins and ****ting in your wells. :P

[Admiral_Aorta]

Hey, don't dirty his wells, there's Mind Lords hiding in there. Also possibly some under his bed.:)

[krpeters]

I will try to restore my reputation and fight to the bitter end when it is my turn to be crushed.

[iRFNA]

The Mind Lords can't get me as long as my legs don't hang over the edge of the bed. Right?

...right?...

[freepower]

I think that's what they want you to think.

Or, worse yet, that they want me to think you think. >.>

[iRFNA]

The obvious solution is to simply cease to think altogether.

Starting...

...

[lwarmonger]

Sometimes you can surprise yourself fighting to the bitter end... I repelled Fomoria's first assault (although I sadly didn't entirely destroy his army the way I had planned)! Still looking for someone... anyone... please... to jump on him and take advantage of his distraction!

[iRFNA]

45 minutes to go until staling... Peacekeeper is taking his name a little too seriously, I think.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Did he stale the last turn? He doesn't seem to be losing or anything.

[iRFNA]

Ya, he staled.

[freepower]

Maybe it was just real life. Hot date went better than expected or summat. ^_^

Btw, Cerlin's fighting like a beast! I commend you sir, for your mighty fighting spirit and your well scripted mages. Perhaps some day we'll all be speaking TNN. :P

[iRFNA]

lol, I guess that's one thing the AI has going for it, it's relentlessness

Woah, everyone is playing their turns quickly. 6/8 already

edit: Haha, I just saw a battle report of what I think you are talking about, freepower. False fetters + sleep cloud of doom

[freepower]

Yarp. I'm glad someone saw that epic battle because that was intense.

What's crazy is, I was defending. I think I outnumbered him 2 to one. With GIANTS. And he attacked. That's not relentless, that's awesome! :O

[iRFNA]

Perhaps it could serve as an example of the sort of risky move that can alter a seemingly hopeless situation...

[freepower]

Still pretty hopeless, I hope.

If not, I may have to follow his example soon enough. :P

[Peacekeeper]

that was my fault, i thought i had the 2h in but i played it on my computer rather than the network and never uploaded it.

[iRFNA]

doh

[iRFNA]

Don't forget to upload your turn, peacekeeper!

[Peacekeeper]

watching these fights is frustrating. My armies would win if the commanders just kept throwing lightning bolts ... but they stop and summon units that cant get to the front line anyway.

[iRFNA]

Maybe if they're closer? I know lightning bolt has high precision, but I remember reading somewhere that the AI will prefer to avoid casting spells that have a chance of hitting friendlies... Of course, I've seen the AI do some stupid stuff with AE spells, so I dunno.

[lwarmonger]

Yeah, both armies were substantially smaller this turn... but Fomoria's castle was still besieged. Interesting stuff! As long as you aren't fighting your way through my capital it is all good.

[krpeters]

Just a reminder -- if you're the last person to play a turn, when you're finished, give the server a minute, and then play your next turn right away.

[freepower]

Thanks for the reminder. :P

Also, starting to really enjoy the unknown unknowns factor involved in this game.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I don't seem to be getting emails about new posts in this thread anymore, even though I'm still subscribed. Anyone know why? I see Bogarus's prince of death has gotten feebleminded somewhere along the line.

[lwarmonger]

Ouch... that's a rough one.

[iRFNA]

Giant lightning bolts, my only weakness. How did you know?

[Peacekeeper]

they wouldnt keep casting lightning bolts to win me the previous fights, so i went bigger.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I really have to wonder why Vanheim is spending all his money on province defense instead of actual troops.

[freepower]

Newbie game? :P

[NaivePhilosopher]

Having had dealings with Vanheim, I feel confident in saying that, in addition to province defense, he also has a fairly large number of troops. These are in our collective neighborhood, in fact, Admiral.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Ah, thanks for the tip. :) Though I think Bogarus may be responsible for the seeming lack of troops.

[Quell]

Nah i'm not :). The only encounters i had with Vanheim are loosing my scouts to his high province defence

[krpeters]

High PD is very effective against the AI... I'll find out whether it is effective against humans.

And yes, I have plenty of real troops. Or at least had -- I'm still waiting for the battle report between my troops and some hydras.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Not that I'm biased or anything, but I'm rather hoping that it's 'had.' >.>

[Admiral_Aorta]

Come on C'tis, you're going to stale soon.

[iRFNA]

Less than an hour to go... Of course, there's not a whole lot for c'tis to do, so I doubt a single stale would be very harmful.

[iRFNA]

this is basically what is happening at the black alps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nodA5bxueyo)

[krpeters]

Well, I won't pretend that didn't hurt, but I have plenty more where that came from.

On the bright side, my upkeep is a bit easier now :)

[NaivePhilosopher]

I now have quite a few limp hydras, though I'm not entirely sure how hydras actually limp. In any case, that went a bit better than I actually expected, all things considered. It wasn't particularly pleasant for me either, however.

[lwarmonger]

Bit of a problem with flooding in my area... power and internet were out for a time. Back up now, and I'll have my next turn in a couple of hours. Sorry about that.

And just because I'm small doesn't mean that I don't have much to do. Big plans for world domination are in the works!

[Peacekeeper]

pew pew, pew pew pew pew.

[Admiral_Aorta]

The new patch is out, should we hold off on downloading it or will it depend on the server having been patched?

[iRFNA]

It depends on the server... As far as how or when the server gets patched, I have no idea. For now, don't install the patch.

[iRFNA]

Ok, just read gandalf's post this morning about the update. Install the patch!

[freepower]

If we've submitted turns, patch and resend?

[iRFNA]

I'm pretty sure the server is down currently. No idea about if we should resubmit turns or not when it comes back up, I guess we'll see.

[Admiral_Aorta]

See http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46942
Gandalf mentions that everyone will have to patch their games.

[iRFNA]

Yep, patch and submit your turn.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Vanheim, that was a ridiculous amount of PD.

[freepower]

"Was"? :P

[Admiral_Aorta]

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the server?

[Gandalf Parker]

Yes I am afraid that is has crashed.

Did everyone patch to version 3.26 and put in a new turn file?

Or it might be something in one of the mods you are using. But considering the timing Im first going to guess someone having an old version.

Here is the error....
unr5477 cnr89 (deaths0) unr6878
highestunit 11494 highestcom 401
unr5477 (hp15) type Nemedian Champion -> cnr89
cnr89 unr6878 (hp10) type Nahualli
Något gick fel!
unit2com inconsistency


Ignore the Nagot gick fel since that is just the game saying that something broke.

[iRFNA]

Peacekeeper, did you patch?

[Peacekeeper]

ya, i patched before playing my turn. dompatch326. In game says version 3.26 as well.

[freepower]

I patched, downloaded my old turn, changed a thing or two, resubmitted, I had assumed that was sufficient?

[krpeters]

Is the server up yet? I upgraded to 3.26, but I can't connect.

Admiral_Aorta, are you referring to the prior turn when I ate your squid? That was 25% PD and 75% troops... you were attacking a pretty important chokehold.

Or did you sack one of my other provinces when I wasn't looking? :)

Oh, just a reminder to everyone: my troops don't show up on your mapview (glamour), and there's no charts for you to gauge my army strength, so.... bwhahahaha :)

[Admiral_Aorta]

Oh right, that's why all your provinces look undefended. Durp. My kraken won't be gone for too long though, don't worry. ;) I updated to 3.26, so it's not me causing the crash.

[krpeters]

Do pretenders recover from afflictions when resurrected?

(For that matter, what happens to immortal beings when they die, do they recover from afflictions inflicted prior?)

[NaivePhilosopher]

I updated before turning in my turn as well. /shrug.

And yes, the glamour makes war with Vanheim...interesting is probably the best way to phrase it

[Gandalf Parker]

OK the game is back up and seems fine (knock on virtual wood)

This was a Lockheed Fix (military term meaning I didnt do anything but when I tried it again it worked)

[Admiral_Aorta]

Do pretenders recover from afflictions when resurrected?

(For that matter, what happens to immortal beings when they die, do they recover from afflictions inflicted prior?)

Afflictions carry over, but the Kraken heals afflictions, so he'll be okay.

[krpeters]

[Afflictions carry over, but the Kraken heals afflictions, so he'll be okay.

And with that ridiculous number of hit points, he'd still be a pain to kill even if he was feebleminded and had no tentacles left!

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yes, isn't it great! I see Man has Bogus and friends sieging one of their castles.

[iRFNA]

Bogus is just jealous cause my people aren't ugly trolls.

[freepower]

Phew, just got a turn in there with 17 minutes to spare.

So sorry to hold things up, I've been ill and crazy busy. Thanks for your patience once again. :)

[Admiral_Aorta]

Fomoria's gonna stale soon.

[iRFNA]

Well, freepower has pulled a rather close call, maybe peacekeeper wants to top it.

[iRFNA]

Oh c'tis, stop trying to break out of quarantine. Keeping you locked away in a box is for the greater good, you know.

[krpeters]

Well, I learned two valuable lessons today:

1) Hydras are more dangerous running away than attacking
2) Falling frost really effective at clearing chaff.

Time to rebuild those armies...

[lwarmonger]

Oh c'tis, stop trying to break out of quarantine. Keeping you locked away in a box is for the greater good, you know.

HA! Your greater good perhaps. I've been waiting to acquire the muscle to punch out since I got sandwiched into that box between you and Fomoria. I guess now we see whether I've got it or not!

[lwarmonger]

(sigh)... my incompetent armies fail again. All they had to do was hold the line against vastly inferior numbers. The poison was wearing down the bless... sadly yet another failure. Oh well... the nice thing about lizards is that they are expendable. Extremely expendable.

[iRFNA]

The Adeptus Astartes are not easily slain.

Just watched the battle, wow, that is a lot of poison.

[lwarmonger]

Your mild cold dominion is really hurting my lizards... perhaps another approach is in order.

[iRFNA]

Well, assassins don't appear to be the answer...

[lwarmonger]

Sadly no.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Having never played Pythium prior to this game, I have to say that hydras have really impressed me. Sure they're expensive and slow to get to the frontlines, but jeez they've been effective.

[Admiral_Aorta]

It's not very sporting to mind hunt vanheim's commanders from a distance, but I'm gonna keep doing it anyway.

[krpeters]

OK, I grow tired of this. So, which is the preferred course of action:

(1) request a sub
(2) switch to AI
(3) stale?

[Admiral_Aorta]

If you must leave then a sub would be better, but you should go down fighting. You can't win them all.

[iRFNA]

Going down fighting is the way to go, but if you must I can look for a sub. What say you?

[iRFNA]

Is anyone in the US in the path of the doom storm that is gonna start curbstomping people on tuesday? There's a serious potential there for a loss of power for over a week if you're hit by the ice...

[NaivePhilosopher]

An online forecast is telling me snow Tuesday and ice Wednesday. I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do with additional snow given that these storms won't give any time to let the previous stuff melt, but if I do lose power I should be able to get word online. Theoretically, anyway, I suppose if everyone I know loses power simultaneously I won't be able to.

[krpeters]

Going down fighting is the way to go, but if you must I can look for a sub. What say you?

I tried going down fighting, then someone started mindhunting my commanders, preventing them from getting my troops to useful fighting locations. I got fed up.

Yes, please look for a sub.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I was actually surprised that I managed to get your army, given that I have to guess where it is because of glamour. Also, I have a few surplus earth gems that I'd be willing to trade with someone for water gems or astral pearls.

[iRFNA]

I requested for gandalf to toss the time limit for now while I look for a sub. Also because I requested to myself to kill the time limit in case I end up trapped in a snowy tomb. If such a thing were to happen, and I disappear for a few weeks, could someone cast Hidden In Snow at illinois (21)?

[iRFNA]

That was fast, we have a sub already. Thanks Thanatus del Dragos!

Still doing the no time limit thing for the time being, though.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm glad we got a sub, that'll be much better to fight than an AI.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Okay, let me poke around and get an idea what I'm doing.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Wow...Wow...never really seen anything like this...I will put up the best fight I can guys...