Cradle to the Grave--for noobies with a record of no staling--FULL

[earwicker7]

Hey, all. This will be my second MP game; I'm currently involved in one that is just reaching turn 40, and it's been great fun (although I'm getting destroyed lol) except for one thing... tons of stale turns. One of our water players only took a couple of turns before staling like mad, and by the time we picked up on it, he had given the other water kingdom a walk in the park. There have been other problems with staling, so I'm trying to establish a game for noobies that gets around the main problem for such games, which is people who are trying the game out, don't like it or don't have the time for it, and just give up without having the decency to let the administrator know.

Therefor, I have two criteria for who is allowed to play this one... first, you have to be a noobie, with no more than five MP games played. Since I will be asked, I'll say it now; I'M NOT BUDGING ON THIS ONE LOL... sorry, but the learning curve on this game allows players with more than that to slaughter those with less skills. The second criteria is that you must have a record of getting at least 30 turns into a game without staling. So this won't be a game for first-timers. I am asking for verification of your non-staling status through one of the following methods: preferably, an administrator from one of your games can post (or email me) that you have indeed not been a flake. The other method is to have two players from one of those games "vouch" for you. EDIT--3rd (and probably easiest method... thanks to P3D for pointing this out) way is to just give me a link to a game on llamaserver, and I can check your staling status.

Here's the rest of the details:

Middle Age.

"Cradle of Dominions" map.

Turns start at 24 hours and will be extended liberally as needed.

Number of player: 10.

Non-standard settings: Score graphs disabled, 15 Hall-of-Fame, re-naming allowed.

EDIT: No mods... it's vanilla.

Diplomacy is "Word of Honor". By this, I just mean that you keep your agreements. You're normally free to invade someone without notice, but if you have three-turn non-aggression pact with someone, you're not.

Water races are only ok if there are two players playing them.

Hosting will be done via llamaserver. I'm not creating the game there yet, because if I do, there will be random people who sign up without meeting the criteria, and it's a pain in the butt to get rid of them. Once we have enough people, I'll create the game.

One other thing... this is probably an impossible thing to do, but it would be great if all of the players were good sports. Win-at-all-costs people aren't fun to play with, as they tend to explode when someone puts one over on them lol.

I'll be playing Abysia, so here's the list:

1. earwicker7--Abysia
2. Saros--Vanheim
3. Nosantee--Arcoscephale
4. Korwin--Bandar Log
5. Gweldorf--Marignon
6. adder83--Tien Chi
7. Sopita--Pythium--DEAD
8. Sephorin--Ashdod
9. jimbojones1971--Ermor
10. Numahr--Agartha--DEATH BY AI

[Saros]

Doesn't cradle of dominions only work with EA or is there a MA version of the map? Also is it vanilla?
[e]Oops nevermind I was thinking of the dawn of dominions map.
Ill take vanheim =)

[P3D]

You can check the staling data on llamaserver for any game. It is in the admin menu, but requires no pwd

[earwicker7]

You can check the staling data on llamaserver for any game. It is in the admin menu, but requires no pwd

Oh, you rock!

[earwicker7]

Doesn't cradle of dominions only work with EA or is there a MA version of the map? Also is it vanilla?
[e]Oops nevermind I was thinking of the dawn of dominions map.
Ill take vanheim =)

Yes, it's vanilla.

Do you have someone who can vouch for you not staling? (or a link to a llamaserver game... see edit I'm about ready to make to the initial post). Sorry to be a Nazi about it, but I think it will really help with the game in the long run :)

[Saros]

Bogarus (1 stale from christmas holidays)
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Tenderfeet&action=showstales

My other game just finished so no llamaserver data but you can see I came second/third placem not likely if I stalled regularly.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46463&page=10
You could also ask Valerius (game admin) if you want i'm sure he could vouch for me.

[Valerius]

My other game just finished so no llamaserver data but you can see I came second/third placem not likely if I stalled regularly.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46463&page=10
You could also ask Valerius (game admin) if you want i'm sure he could vouch for me.

I'll definitely vouch for Saros. Crucible went 68 turns with a 30 hour hosting interval and he didn't stale once. :up:

[earwicker7]

Bogarus (1 stale from christmas holidays)
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Tenderfeet&action=showstales

My other game just finished so no llamaserver data but you can see I came second/third placem not likely if I stalled regularly.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46463&page=10
You could also ask Valerius (game admin) if you want i'm sure he could vouch for me.

Alright... I'll let that one stale slide, since you have an admin vouching for you.

You're in!

[Korwin]

*counting*


Dominion of the Den - Sauroatia (active)
Last Rites - Ermor (active)
Rock the Cradle - as Vanheim (dead)
Rock the Cradle - subbing Shinuyama (not yet dead)
Dominons of Denizens - Vanheim (active)
MonkeyParadise - subbing Abysia (active)


If we dont count the subbing, I'm at 4 games.
But would I be able/ready for another game?
(No stall in any game to date)

Before I need to search my soul for an answer,
how do you count Earwicker7?

[Nosantee]

MA Arcoscephale reporting in! The things I've learned from Rock the Cradle will make this game go even smoother!

You're in the only game I've played EarWicker, so you know I've not staled =p

[earwicker7]

*counting*


Dominion of the Den - Sauroatia (active)
Last Rites - Ermor (active)
Rock the Cradle - as Vanheim (dead)
Rock the Cradle - subbing Shinuyama (not yet dead)
Dominons of Denizens - Vanheim (active)
MonkeyParadise - subbing Abysia (active)


If we dont count the subbing, I'm at 4 games.
But would I be able/ready for another game?
(No stall in any game to date)

Before I need to search my soul for an answer,
how do you count Earwicker7?

Korwin, it hurts me to say this, because you are an AWESOME guy to play with, but I really want to keep it at three and under. If I say ok to four, then the next guy will want me to say ok to five, and before you know it, Gandalf Parker will be eating all of the players for breakfast lol.

I'll make you a deal... if we have problems finding enough players, I'll get back to you.

[earwicker7]

MA Arcoscephale reporting in! The things I've learned from Rock the Cradle will make this game go even smoother!

You're in the only game I've played EarWicker, so you know I've not staled =p

Yeah, you're good... welcome!

[Korwin]

Ah, three or less. Somehow I was thinking 5 or less.
No problem, I do have enough games running as is ;)

[earwicker7]

Ah, three or less. Somehow I was thinking 5 or less.
No problem, I do have enough games running as is ;)

D'oh, I forgot that I edited it to five... three was my original. I'm so clueless sometimes.

You're in if you still want in. Just let me know.

[Korwin]

Well then, sign me up for Bandar Log.

[earwicker7]

Well then, sign me up for Bandar Log.

Done!

[Korwin]

After my abmysal starting position in Rock the Cradle as Vanheim (I started in the middle of wastelands), I would like to say:

There is an Cradle-version with fixed starts on llamaserver.
(Hmm, if I had seen that, when I created the Rock the Cradle game on llamaserver...)
Looking further, there is more than one version with fixed starts allready on llamaserver.


Edit:
Another thing, if there are considerations of upping the site frequency I would not be unhappy and would loudly yell: Yeah! Uh I mean *imagine mad and enthusiastic monkey yelling*

[Gweldorf]

I'm interested. This would be my second game.
First is BearTrap as Marverni.
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=BearTrap&action=showstales

In this game, I'd like to try Marignon.

[earwicker7]

I'm interested. This would be my second game.
First is BearTrap as Marverni.
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=BearTrap&action=showstales

In this game, I'd like to try Marignon.

Well, I'd prefer a longer record of no staling, but no staling for 20 turns is better than nothing.

You're in.

[earwicker7]

After my abmysal starting position in Rock the Cradle as Vanheim (I started in the middle of wastelands), I would like to say:

There is an Cradle-version with fixed starts on llamaserver.
(Hmm, if I had seen that, when I created the Rock the Cradle game on llamaserver...)
Looking further, there is more than one version with fixed starts allready on llamaserver.


Edit:
Another thing, if there are considerations of upping the site frequency I would not be unhappy and would loudly yell: Yeah! Uh I mean *imagine mad and enthusiastic monkey yelling*

How do the fixed starts work? I would have killed to have been in the wasteland, but on the other hand, some people might have seen that as an unfair advantage if Abyssia were to always start in favorable terrain.

I want to keep site frequency where it is... otherwise rainbow mages will have an unfair advantage.

[adder83]

Hi there!
I would like to join as well: My MP experience is limited to two times subbing:

WASPWORLD (i m alrdy out):
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46190

LAST RITES (running):
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46635

In both cases i subbed somebody who was staling....so the llamaserver record is not very meaningful...but everybody from this games can confirm that i played my turns reliable.

If you can accept i would like to join as Tien Chi.

[earwicker7]

Hi there!
I would like to join as well: My MP experience is limited to two times subbing:

WASPWORLD (i m alrdy out):
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46190

LAST RITES (running):
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46635

In both cases i subbed somebody who was staling....so the llamaserver record is not very meaningful...but everybody from this games can confirm that i played my turns reliable.

If you can accept i would like to join as Tien Chi.

How many turns did you sub? And could you get a couple of people to vouch for you?

Not trying to be overly difficult, but my current game ("Rock the Cradle") just had a person drop out today, so I'm a little paranoid right now ;)

[adder83]

In total it should be around 40 turns. I will PM some of the other player and hope they answer back.

A fact: I subb(ed/ing) two games. Normally subbed nations are left because their situation is bad...bad enough for somebody to leave it. So i m not leaving when times are hard.

[Colonial]

I vouch for adder in last rites. Hasn't stalled even though he got handed a bit of a tough position.

[Allium]

Hi there!
I would like to join as well: My MP experience is limited to two times subbing:

WASPWORLD (i m alrdy out):
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46190


I can vouch for adder83 there: subbed into a difficult position (original player stalled 3 times in the first year) and fought it out with me to the end.

[earwicker7]

Thanks all! You're in adder83.

[Sopita]

Hi!

I would like to join. This would be my 2º multiplayer game.

My first game is this one:
Anonymous2
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Anonymous2

We had not reach yet the 30 turns required to joing this one but I have already sent turn 25.

If I´m admited I'd would like to play Pythium.

[reinselc]

Hi,
I am not sure if I qualify or not, but I am interested. I played 1 game in 2008 (Agouti) on llamaserver, but it took a long time and my wife and I had a baby, so haven't played a game since.
But the baby situation is more under control, and I would like to get back into this game. I think Agouti went about 75 turns before it was decided that it would be a 3 or 4 way draw, I can't recall.
Anyways, if accepted, I would like to be Mictlan.

Chris

[earwicker7]

Hi!

I would like to join. This would be my 2º multiplayer game.

My first game is this one:
Anonymous2
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Anonymous2

We had not reach yet the 30 turns required to joing this one but I have already sent turn 25.

If I´m admited I'd would like to play Pythium.

As long as your admin can vouch that you're not one of the two players who have staled 8 times (yikes, that's a lot!), you can join.

[earwicker7]

Hi,
I am not sure if I qualify or not, but I am interested. I played 1 game in 2008 (Agouti) on llamaserver, but it took a long time and my wife and I had a baby, so haven't played a game since.
But the baby situation is more under control, and I would like to get back into this game. I think Agouti went about 75 turns before it was decided that it would be a 3 or 4 way draw, I can't recall.
Anyways, if accepted, I would like to be Mictlan.

Chris

This may be tough since the game was a while ago, but can someone vouch for your not staling? Do you remember any of the players?

[reinselc]

I have zero idea if any of these guys are still around, but it was a team game...5 teams of 2.

Team # ... Current Players
1..........Zylithan...TrajanX...Niefel and TienChi
2..........reinselc...MAJ_Disgrace...Vanheim and Arcos
3..........Nozshand...Cerlin...Mictland and Agartha
4..........Sivoc...Janlm...Caelum and Kailasa
5..........Everz...Wokeye...Abysia and Lanka

Chris

No biggie though, I have to play some SP to remember how to do everything.

[earwicker7]

I have zero idea if any of these guys are still around, but it was a team game...5 teams of 2.

Team # ... Current Players
1..........Zylithan...TrajanX...Niefel and TienChi
2..........reinselc...MAJ_Disgrace...Vanheim and Arcos
3..........Nozshand...Cerlin...Mictland and Agartha
4..........Sivoc...Janlm...Caelum and Kailasa
5..........Everz...Wokeye...Abysia and Lanka

Chris

No biggie though, I have to play some SP to remember how to do everything.

There are a couple of them still around... I sent them a message. Hopefully they remember you :)

[reinselc]

No problem. All I vaguely remember was that I got into a war with Mictlan/Argatha, and as I was beating Argatha, Mictlan was killing someone else, and then once things were just about to get good, Mictlan went sim along with someone else, and everyone basically thought Niefel and TC were going to win.

It was on the 8 gates map.

So i understand the goal of trying to get everyone on the same page for being punctual.

[earwicker7]

BUMP

Trying to keep this at the top... we need four more people! Actually, it's potentially only two more... I'm still trying to get two of the people vetted.

But either way, come on folks :)

[Mauxe]

If you are not able to fill your spots let me know. I'd like to get into multiplayer games but have only done SP so far.

I understand that you are looking for a track record but I just wanted to put my name out there in case you were not able to fill the other 2 spots.

I'm not flaky and will promise to take all of my turns as scheduled, but I also know that words on the internet don't mean much.

Thanks

[earwicker7]

If you are not able to fill your spots let me know. I'd like to get into multiplayer games but have only done SP so far.

I understand that you are looking for a track record but I just wanted to put my name out there in case you were not able to fill the other 2 spots.

I'm not flaky and will promise to take all of my turns as scheduled, but I also know that words on the internet don't mean much.

Thanks

Thanks for offering, but I'm really trying to keep this one locked down to players who have some history. Hopefully I'll see you on a future battlefield, though! :)

[Sopita]

Jimmy_longo, Anonymous2's admin has send you a private message.
If you haven´t received it please tell me.

[earwicker7]

Jimmy_longo, Anonymous2's admin has send you a private message.
If you haven´t received it please tell me.

Well, I just checked my User CP and my hotmail account... I see a message from you, but not from him.

To be honest, though, I've had really bad luck receiving messages on this forum; I think there is glitch somewhere. Just have him email me directly at earwicker777@hotmail.com.

Thanks!

[Nosantee]

Jimmy_longo, Anonymous2's admin has send you a private message.
If you haven´t received it please tell me.

Well, I just checked my User CP and my hotmail account... I see a message from you, but not from him.

To be honest, though, I've had really bad luck receiving messages on this forum; I think there is glitch somewhere. Just have him email me directly at earwicker777@hotmail.com.

Thanks!

Earlier today I tried sending you a PM for Rock the Cradle and it said your PM receiving is disabled or something.

[earwicker7]

Jimmy_longo, Anonymous2's admin has send you a private message.
If you haven´t received it please tell me.

Well, I just checked my User CP and my hotmail account... I see a message from you, but not from him.

To be honest, though, I've had really bad luck receiving messages on this forum; I think there is glitch somewhere. Just have him email me directly at earwicker777@hotmail.com.

Thanks!

Earlier today I tried sending you a PM for Rock the Cradle and it said your PM receiving is disabled or something.

Could you try again? I didn't realize that MSN Messenger was web-based (since I can't install anything outside of Office Communicator on my work computer), so I hadn't put my username in the profile. Now that I know it is web-based, it's in there, so if everyone wants to try again, hopefully it will work.

[earwicker7]

And yet another update... I hadn't checked the appropriate box in the options screen. I should be good now.

[Sephorin]

Hi, earwicker. I was thinking about signing up for your game, but I wanted to confirm: are you indeed not using the conceptual balance mod (CBM)? There are obviously a lot of exploits in vanilla that us newbies might have a hard time handling. :)

I love your idea for a no staling record! Here is a link to a current game so you can check up on me. I'm Pangaea.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FirstBlood

And here's the game thread so you can confirm that that's actually me.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46315

Let me know about the CBM. I'll have to give this some thought if you're really going vanilla. ;)

Thanks!

[earwicker7]

Hi, earwicker. I was thinking about signing up for your game, but I wanted to confirm: are you indeed not using the conceptual balance mod (CBM)? There are obviously a lot of exploits in vanilla that us newbies might have a hard time handling. :)

I love your idea for a no staling record! Here is a link to a current game so you can check up on me. I'm Pangaea.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=FirstBlood

And here's the game thread so you can confirm that that's actually me.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46315

Let me know about the CBM. I'll have to give this some thought if you're really going vanilla. ;)

Thanks!

I'm really wary about mods... is the game really that out of whack, or are the people modding it trying to make sure that their favorite nations don't lose as often? That's not an accusation, but a genuine question... I'm way too new to know the answer.

How drastic are the changes? I get your point about the exploits, but I think the other side is that maybe the changes are too much for someone who is a newbie to handle; in other words, is Abyssia going to play so differently that I might as well forget my MP and SP experience with them?

Well, it's something to think about... what does everyone else think? Either way, it would be great to have you, your record is stellar. Let me know :)

[Saros]

Well CBM seems more popular than the base game. With the base game its essentially a rush to collect as many gem generators as possible (clams being the most popular) and then heading straight for a tartarian factory ASAP.
CBM has been around for ages and has almost become the standard mod for many many games, nearly all use it in some form or another.
All my MP games have been with CBM 1.6 and/or Endgame diversity mod (EDM) and I have to say that compared to the vanilla game they really do add quite a lot, more viable strategies and less micromanagement as well as a fair amount of balancing out all the really ridiculous stuff. A big change is making the gem generators unique. Several nations are rebalanced true but not usually major changes, lots of it seems to be focused on making weaker nations viable choices rather than making any particularly powerful.
CBM 1.7 is not what I would reccomend at this point as it is a major departure from what most people would expect. -no hammers and other weird things.


EDM is really good as well for giving alternatives for tartarians, they're still good but not the only option anymore. Its not a major mod it just adds a few lategame summons to give non astral or death nations a chance to get some SC's. It seems really well balanced to me.

So yeah CBM 1.6 and possibly EDM 1.1 would be mods I would support being used.
CBM 1.6 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43949)
EDM (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45056)

[Sephorin]

I think Saros hit it right on the nose. There's certainly nothing wrong with vanilla, but from what I've seen, it tends to point every single player in the same direction for the endgame. There is also a large amount of micro management resulting from massing gem generators. CBM 1.7 would be what I recommend. The endgame diversity mod (EDM) is included in that.

Of course, CBM 1.6 plus EDM would work also. And so would vanilla! Ultimately, the choice is yours, earwicker. I guess the only thing I would add is: I have yet to see a game offered here (newbie or otherwise) that does not use CBM. But then I haven't been around very long.

I think I would enjoy playing in the game no matter what you choose. But the choice of mods (or no mods) would influence my nation pick and pretender design. (Note that you need to have the mods loaded before building your pretender because they affect the cost and composition of some of them.)

Here's the link for CBM 1.7 (which includes the EDM):

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46568&highlight=conceptual+balance

[Korwin]

If we changed to CBM I would NOT play Bandar Log.
Not shure if I would play at all.

I would need time to read up on the changes CBM did do.
(Besides no GemGens, no DwarfenHammers)

EDM allone I would not mind, since (I think) there are extra units in this mod, but no changes to existing ones.

[Saros]

Double post oops

[Saros]

CBM 1.7 has some really really weird changes to it like agartha getting a free darkness casting with 20 PD. The no hammers also really needs a higher magic site setting to compensate for it. Blood nations also suffer badly from removal of sanguine dowsing rods which cuts into their slave income.

EDM by itself would be fine although I do really like the no gemgen's in CBM

edit:

EDM is essentially this, just a few more summons in various schools.
http://www.llamaserver.net/diversityPreview.gif

[Nosantee]

I'd prefer the vanilla version. The people of Shrapnel just have a hardon for their precious CBM.

[adder83]

For me to play vanilla or CBM+EDM is both ok. But i think also it depends on the people joining this game: very new players may havent collected experience with the CBM and thus it would be very unfair against them as the changes between vanilla and CBM are quite huge.

As stated before for me personally, vanilla or CBM+EDM is both ok but if the decision is made towards CBM i would vote for 1.6.

[Saros]

I'm not too fussed to be honest although I do think EDM would be cool even with Vanilla just to diversify things a bit. Tartarians as the only viable non-unique SC is kinda dull. Also I wanna summon a Balrog Ember lord.

[e]
So whats the strikethrough tag these days?

[earwicker7]

Hey, Sopita, I got that message... you're in as Pythium.

[earwicker7]

Hey, all. I think I'm going to make this my last vanilla game, but I would need some SP experience with CBM and EDM before I felt comfortable playing them in MP, so I'm going to stick with vanilla this one last time.

Sephorin... you said you'd be in, you just need to decide which nation, so I'll put you in the list as "undecided".

[Sephorin]

Okay, a vanilla free-for-all it is! Are we banning Ashdod? If not then I will take them. Otherwise, I will take Ermor.

Thanks, earwicker!

[Sopita]

Hey, Sopita, I got that message... you're in as Pythium.

:) :up:

[earwicker7]

Okay, a vanilla free-for-all it is! Are we banning Ashdod? If not then I will take them. Otherwise, I will take Ermor.

Thanks, earwicker!

I know very little about which nations should be banned... can anyone come up with any reasons for banning anyone?

[Korwin]

Stronger nations will get ganged more, so I vote against banning one.

[earwicker7]

Makes sense.

Sephorin, you're in as Ashdod.

[Sephorin]

Stronger nations will get ganged more, so I vote against banning one.

Right! So we should all gang up on Pythium first! :D

[earwicker7]

Bumping this to try to keep it at the top... only two more people and we're ready to go! If, for some reason, no more people come, we could probably swing eight players, but let's give it a little more time.

[Sopita]

Stronger nations will get ganged more, so I vote against banning one.

Right! So we should all gang up on Pythium first! :D

Pythium is weak. I´m sure it´s player is kind and willing to cooperate.
Better we should gang up on Ashdod. :p

[Sephorin]

There's no one kinder than the giants of Ashdod. We're like big fluffy sheep. We mill around making soft bleating noises and never bother anyone.

Pythium, though.... they have lots of nasty mages who mindhunt and soulslay. Bad for everyone.

Anything negative you have heard about Ashdod is just propaganda.

[Sephorin]

Bumping this to try to keep it at the top... only two more people and we're ready to go! If, for some reason, no more people come, we could probably swing eight players, but let's give it a little more time.

Hopefully we can get a couple of more people. :) I personally would prefer a smaller map if we will only have eight players. (Maybe Pargonos or Land of Ethereal Squirrels?)

[jimbojones1971]

If you still have space, I'd like to sign up.

I've got one MP game, on llamaserver - currently up to turn 36 with no stales:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Dominion_of_the_Den

Korwin should be able to vouch for me, as I believe he set up the game I am playing.

I haven't given too much thought to what nation I'd like, I'll ponder that while I wait to hear if I am in or not. :)

[Nosantee]

Stronger nations will get ganged more, so I vote against banning one.

Right! So we should all gang up on Pythium first! :D

Pythium is weak. I´m sure it´s player is kind and willing to cooperate.
Better we should gang up on Ashdod. :p

And that means that everyone should ignore the truly weakest MA nation of Arcoscephale and let us sit in our corner. What could anyone do with Arco anyway? A whole lotta nothin'! Thats what! We just wanna gaze our stars. Is that too much to ask?

[Korwin]

If you still have space, I'd like to sign up.

I've got one MP game, on llamaserver - currently up to turn 36 with no stales:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Dominion_of_the_Den

Korwin should be able to vouch for me, as I believe he set up the game I am playing.

I haven't given too much thought to what nation I'd like, I'll ponder that while I wait to hear if I am in or not. :)

Yep, Jim is playing Hinnom in "Dominion of the Den" with no stalles.

[Numahr]

Thks Earwicker for organizing.

Please sign me in. Note that I staled accidentally once in 60+ turns. I'll ask my game admin (from Troubling Times) to vouch for me.

As for the Nation, I'll choose one soon.

[Sephorin]

Yay! So we have 9 people plus 1 sheepish Ashdod for a total of 10. (So long as Earwicker is okay with that one stale from Numahr, of course.)

Nosantee, I agree that Arco should be ignored as well. Perhaps we can form an alliance for benign and morally upright nations who never bother anyone. ;)

(Of course, I'm kidding about the alliance. I would never make treaties with someone I haven't met in game.)

[earwicker7]

If you still have space, I'd like to sign up.

I've got one MP game, on llamaserver - currently up to turn 36 with no stales:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Dominion_of_the_Den

Korwin should be able to vouch for me, as I believe he set up the game I am playing.

I haven't given too much thought to what nation I'd like, I'll ponder that while I wait to hear if I am in or not. :)

You're in... let me know who you want to play.

[earwicker7]

Thks Earwicker for organizing.

Please sign me in. Note that I staled accidentally once in 60+ turns. I'll ask my game admin (from Troubling Times) to vouch for me.

As for the Nation, I'll choose one soon.

I can live with one accidental in 60 turns; you're in pending admin vouching. I'll just put you down as "Probably" :)

[Nosantee]

Put the game up and lets start submitting pretenders! Woo!

[earwicker7]

So, folks, assuming Numahr is able to get his admin to vouch for him, we've got ten! Woohoo!

I'll let everyone know once I've received the final word on him, and then I figure we give everyone a couple of days to consider the other nations and make their pretenders.

[earwicker7]

Put the game up and lets start submitting pretenders! Woo!

Just waiting on vouching for the final player.

[jimbojones1971]

After much head scratching, I have decided to opt for MA Ermor.

While we wait for the final confirmation, I will start pondering the design of my pretender.

[Nosantee]

You know now that I think of it, do we have to have score graphs disabled? :3

[Korwin]

You know now that I think of it, do we have to have score graphs disabled? :3



Per first post disabled.

[earwicker7]

You know now that I think of it, do we have to have score graphs disabled? :3

I like the mystery ;)

[Numahr]

While we wait for my beloved admin to vouch for me... Let me announce that the mighty Nation of Shinumaya will join the feast under my command.

[earwicker7]

While we wait for my beloved admin to vouch for me... Let me announce that the mighty Nation of Shinumaya will join the feast under my command.

Alright, I'll put you down as pending Shinuyama. Light a fire under that admin's feet lol.

[Amhazair]

Thks Earwicker for organizing.

Please sign me in. Note that I staled accidentally once in 60+ turns. I'll ask my game admin (from Troubling Times) to vouch for me.

As for the Nation, I'll choose one soon.

I can live with one accidental in 60 turns; you're in pending admin vouching. I'll just put you down as "Probably" :)All powerful game admin to the rescue! :)

I'd have absolutely no reservations of letting Numahr join any game I admin or play in in the future. He did indeed stale once, I can't even remember the reason, but I do remember it being very reasonable. Apart from that the couple of extension request for business trips and the like were nicely on time so I could plan things in advance, and he was accomodating in trying to play his turns early right before leaving and/or late right after returning to keep the game running smoothly. Also volunteered to assign starting locations on the map for the game start, and active in the game thread, so as far as 64 turns can tell I'd call him an exemplary player.


So, does that earn me the promised crate of beer Numahr? :up:

[Korwin]

So we are ready to start? Good.
(Lost - just now - last province in Dominions of the Den, so its perfectly timed for me)
*goes looking at his pretender build some more*

Edit: Oh, last post on the last page is important... dont want to hide it with my post...
Thks Earwicker for organizing.

Please sign me in. Note that I staled accidentally once in 60+ turns. I'll ask my game admin (from Troubling Times) to vouch for me.

As for the Nation, I'll choose one soon.

I can live with one accidental in 60 turns; you're in pending admin vouching. I'll just put you down as "Probably" :)All powerful game admin to the rescue! :)

I'd have absolutely no reservations of letting Numahr join any game I admin or play in in the future. He did indeed stale once, I can't even remember the reason, but I do remember it being very reasonable. Apart from that the couple of extension request for business trips and the like were nicely on time so I could plan things in advance, and he was accomodating in trying to play his turns early right before leaving and/or late right after returning to keep the game running smoothly. Also volunteered to assign starting locations on the map for the game start, and active in the game thread, so as far as 64 turns can tell I'd call him an exemplary player.


So, does that earn me the promised crate of beer Numahr? :up:

[earwicker7]

Alright, everyone, the game is up: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CradleToTheGrave

If anyone needs it, my email is earwicker777@hotmail.com; that is also my Windows Messenger name.

[earwicker7]

Also, everyone please post here once you've sent your pretender in, so that I can delete anyone if they happen to try to sneak in with your nation.

[earwicker7]

Korwin, is that your Bandar Log?

[Korwin]

Bandar Log submitted its Pretender.

[Korwin]

Korwin, is that your Bandar Log?

Yes, it is.

[Sephorin]

Pretender submitted for Ashdod: the Sheep.

[Nosantee]

Pretender Submited for Arco: Awake Wyrm.

[jimbojones1971]

It will be about 12 hours before I can get my pretender in. Will post once it is done.

[earwicker7]

It will be about 12 hours before I can get my pretender in. Will post once it is done.

12 hours! My god, man...

Just kidding, take your time ;)

[Sephorin]

Pretender Submited for Arco: Awake Wyrm.

Sheep regularly eat worms for breakfast. :D

[Numahr]

Patatra! I just realized that my whole Shinumaya strategy was designed for CBM only. Please change me to Agartha...

[Saros]

Finally got my pretender just about right. Sent!

[jimbojones1971]

It will be about 12 hours before I can get my pretender in. Will post once it is done.

12 hours! My god, man...

Just kidding, take your time ;)

Still tweaking it, sorry. Working on it, I promise!

[Sopita]

Pitimini, Pretender of Phythium sent.

[earwicker7]

Gweldorf, is that your Marignon pretender?

Assuming it is, we just need Tien Chi, Ermor, and Agartha to submit their pretenders, so we're almost there!

[adder83]

tien chi pretender sent.

[Numahr]

Dear colleages pretenders,

Experimentations in the Agarthan depths started relatively late compared to other nations, but are progrssing fast. I need still a little bit more time to tweak this mysterious civlization's Pretender. I think 24 hours will do it.

Thanks for understanding.

[Gweldorf]

Yep, that's my Marignon.

[earwicker7]

Dear colleages pretenders,

Experimentations in the Agarthan depths started relatively late compared to other nations, but are progrssing fast. I need still a little bit more time to tweak this mysterious civlization's Pretender. I think 24 hours will do it.

Thanks for understanding.

No problem.

So we only need Agartha and Ermor, and we're on.

[jimbojones1971]

The mighty Ermorian pretender Democratic Centralist has been submitted, and looks forward to oppressing the masses in the way that they would want if only they properly understood what was good for them.

Nine down, one to go - game should be starting soon :)

[Numahr]

* Sounds of busy experiments echoing in the abandonned halls of Mountain caves *

[Nosantee]

* Sounds of busy experiments echoing in the abandonned halls of Mountain caves *

TICK TOCK YO, I AIN'T GOT TIME TO WAIT! I'D LIKE TO GET SLAUGHTERED BY ASHDOD AND PYTHIUM SOMETIME THIS CENTURY BUDDY!

...Oh fear is me, please do not put me sandwiched between these two nations, mighty Dominions cap location placer RNG.

[Sephorin]

* Sounds of busy experiments echoing in the abandonned halls of Mountain caves *

TICK TOCK YO, I AIN'T GOT TIME TO WAIT! I'D LIKE TO GET SLAUGHTERED BY ASHDOD AND PYTHIUM SOMETIME THIS CENTURY BUDDY!

...Oh fear is me, please do not put me sandwiched between these two nations, mighty Dominions cap location placer RNG.

Ashdod makes a great neighbor. We will help you fight the evil Pythium warmongers.

[Korwin]

* Sounds of busy experiments echoing in the abandonned halls of Mountain caves *

Monkeys find it suspicious, that the caves are empty/abandonned.
Did the Aghartan pretender flee before the bid to godhood could even start?

[Sopita]

TICK TOCK YO, I AIN'T GOT TIME TO WAIT! I'D LIKE TO GET SLAUGHTERED BY ASHDOD AND PYTHIUM SOMETIME THIS CENTURY BUDDY!I'll have it present, don´t worry.

Ashdod makes a great neighbor. We will help you fight the evil Pythium warmongers. I'm a :angel You are very agresive.

[Numahr]

Agartha's pretender sent :up:
A new era is about to start...

[earwicker7]

It's on, bee-yatches!

[earwicker7]

For some reason, I've set hosting to 24 hours, but it is showing the due date as 48 hours... weird.

[Nosantee]

This is a very sad starting location for me, but I'll try to make it work!

Hmm, maybe try setting it again for only 24 hours? I dunno I have no experience in admining

[earwicker7]

This is a very sad starting location for me, but I'll try to make it work!

Hmm, maybe try setting it again for only 24 hours? I dunno I have no experience in admining

Already tried that.

[jimbojones1971]

* Sounds of busy experiments echoing in the abandonned halls of Mountain caves *

TICK TOCK YO, I AIN'T GOT TIME TO WAIT! I'D LIKE TO GET SLAUGHTERED BY ASHDOD AND PYTHIUM SOMETIME THIS CENTURY BUDDY!

...Oh fear is me, please do not put me sandwiched between these two nations, mighty Dominions cap location placer RNG.

Yeah, I just subbed five turns as Ashod for a buddy while he was incommunicado on leave, my word but they are a powerful nation!

Now MA Ermor, on the other hand, are kind of luck cute friendly fluffy bunnies. :)

[CthulhuDreams]

Llama server gives extra time for the first turn.. because it's the first turn and you don't know when random person X is going to submit their pretender and kick off the game.

It will go to 24 hours after the first turn :)

[earwicker7]

Thanks!

[Korwin]

Waiting for Phythium...

[Nosantee]

Waiting for Phythium...

inb4 stales on turn 1

Don't rush him man, think of all that you have to do on turn one! Why.. There could be as many as 6(!!) things!

[Sopita]

Waiting for Phythium...

Please, have in mind that we are in different parts of the world. That means different local times.

I live here:
http://maps.google.es/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=candelaria,+tenerife&sll=40.396764,-3.713379&sspn=11.522742,19.753418&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Candelaria,+Santa+Cruz+de+Tenerife,+Islas+Ca narias&ll=28.351964,-16.37038&spn=0.006505,0.009645&t=f&z=17&ecpose=28.3516966,-16.37038041,1093.41,0,1.565,0

[Korwin]

Pha, what do you want to tell the Monkeys about Time Zones. :p
all the monkeys understand is, that they had to wait! ;)

[Sephorin]

* Sounds of busy experiments echoing in the abandonned halls of Mountain caves *

TICK TOCK YO, I AIN'T GOT TIME TO WAIT! I'D LIKE TO GET SLAUGHTERED BY ASHDOD AND PYTHIUM SOMETIME THIS CENTURY BUDDY!

...Oh fear is me, please do not put me sandwiched between these two nations, mighty Dominions cap location placer RNG.

Yeah, I just subbed five turns as Ashod for a buddy while he was incommunicado on leave, my word but they are a powerful nation!

Now MA Ermor, on the other hand, are kind of luck cute friendly fluffy bunnies. :)

It sounds as though your friend may have just been an excellent player. I, on the other hand, am a thoroughly awful player. Nothing to fear. :)

[Nosantee]

The speed these first few turns are getting in by the time we hit turn 10 it's gonna be a month later! Haha.

[earwicker7]

The speed these first few turns are getting in by the time we hit turn 10 it's gonna be a month later! Haha.

It's that job thing... :rolleyes:

[Korwin]

adder83, how much money did you bid on those Mercenaries?
The Elephants allone 200+? (I myself did bid 199)

[adder83]

211 for elephants :p

[Nosantee]

211 for elephants :p

Figures my 120 bid wasn't gonna do anything haha.
Also: You'd better give me obscuro later, he's pretty important to my plans... Don't make me steal him!

And Ashdod is already at the top of the hall of fame. Who'd have guessed THAT'D happen?

[Saros]

Damnit! I put 205 into the elephants =/

[Korwin]

Only third place for my bid? Maybe I should not have recruited so much Elephants on my own....

[Nosantee]

You and me, we don't really need those mercs anyway!

Arcoscephale and Bandar, Elephant bros for life.

[Sephorin]

211 for elephants :p

Figures my 120 bid wasn't gonna do anything haha.
Also: You'd better give me obscuro later, he's pretty important to my plans... Don't make me steal him!

And Ashdod is already at the top of the hall of fame. Who'd have guessed THAT'D happen?

Yes, my Ashdod giant is at the top of the hall of fame with Enhanced Precision, which we all know is the most useful of all traits for melee combat. :smirk:

[Saros]

Hey sorry but work sprung a two day trip on me at the last minute. I will be away for tomorrow and the day after so if I could have a 24h extension that would be great.

[Nosantee]

I'd be fine with the extention

[Numahr]

Tien Chi,

You should consider hiring the "Blind Company", elite cold-blooded cave creatures with enough precision to succesfully hit an elephant stuck in a cave almost half of the time.

Special price to you my friend! :D

;)

[earwicker7]

Hey sorry but work sprung a two day trip on me at the last minute. I will be away for tomorrow and the day after so if I could have a 24h extension that would be great.

Extension granted. Enjoy the trip!

[Nosantee]

Hmm seems Saros (Vanheim) that wanted the extension already put in his turn. The other two finish up and then extend it again 24h. That way we all get a new turn without anyone staling or waiting another day.

[earwicker7]

Hmm seems Saros (Vanheim) that wanted the extension already put in his turn. The other two finish up and then extend it again 24h. That way we all get a new turn without anyone staling or waiting another day.

Yeah... I noticed that. Saros, do you need another extension?

[earwicker7]

Woohoo! I just won my first death match in MP. All shall fear Kasadye!

Hold on... I didn't see a battle. Did I win by default?

[Sopita]

Sephorin you have a PM.

[jimbojones1971]

What news, fellow pretenders?

I can confirm that Ermor continues to coexist with all, and poses no threat to anyone. Nope, nothing happening here people.

[Nosantee]

Sent a PM to Korwin.

[jimbojones1971]

Sent a PM to Saros.

[Nosantee]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
Let me say this, I hate druid indies. In any normal army, it wouldn't be an issue. But in tiny armies made specifically to kill indies. When that damnable indie commander starts spamming sleep... Ugh, there goes one expansion party.

But it's okay. PREPARE THE HOPLITES FOR BATTLEEEEE!

[Numahr]

Wait to meet Air 2 + Water 2 mages, like it happened to me last turn: lightning bolts, 1 quickened War Minotaur... on your expansion army who expected just 30 militia and slingers!

[earwicker7]

Sopita, you have a PM.

[Nosantee]

adder83, you have a PM. Answer it, or PERISH.

[jimbojones1971]

Wow, Vanheim and Ermor are all over each other like a nasty rash, and its really not working out well for either of us. Our expansion parties have now run into each other THREE TIMES :hurt:

(And to make matters worse, through some fluke of timing in all three occassions I've arrived first, had to fight the bloody indies, then gone head to head with my neighbors from Vanheim - curse you, fate!)

Saros, I'll PM you later today, keen to cut a deal that doesn't result in us death spiraling while everyone else streaks ahead.

What's the ratio of provinces to nations on this map? Wondering if Saros and I are unlucky, or if this is going to be happening a lot.

[Saros]

I think its like 19-20 provinces apiece. I sent PM about my expansion direction but the forum seems to have eaten them =/

[e] 221 land 22 water provinces with 10 people.

[jimbojones1971]

Wait to meet Air 2 + Water 2 mages, like it happened to me last turn: lightning bolts, 1 quickened War Minotaur... on your expansion army who expected just 30 militia and slingers!

Ouch. On the plus side, there should be some decent recruitables there hopefully, once you've won?

[jimbojones1971]

I think its like 19-20 provinces apiece. I sent PM about my expansion direction but the forum seems to have eaten them =/

[e] 221 land 22 water provinces with 10 people.

Two messages just popped up, so I PM'd back. The short version: all good :)

[earwicker7]

Wait to meet Air 2 + Water 2 mages, like it happened to me last turn: lightning bolts, 1 quickened War Minotaur... on your expansion army who expected just 30 militia and slingers!

Things could be worse... two words: Dark Vines.

[earwicker7]

Hey, guys. I woke up this morning to do my turn and realized I couldn't get out of bed. I'm pretty sick, so I've delayed hosting by 24 hours. Chances are I'll still manage to get it in today if I feel better later on, but I put a delay in there just to make sure I don't accidentally sleep through the deadline and stale.

[earwicker7]

Alright, I managed to squeeze out my turn.

[Nosantee]

Tien'chi (Adder83) it is very important for you to respond to my PM's both ingame and on the forums, failure to do so is going to result in expansion parties meeting or go as far as immediate war.

If you want peace it is critical that you RESPOND.

[jimbojones1971]

Hey, guys. I woke up this morning to do my turn and realized I couldn't get out of bed.

That doesn't sound good :shock:

[earwicker7]

Hey, guys. I woke up this morning to do my turn and realized I couldn't get out of bed.

That doesn't sound good :shock:

Strangely, I'm fine today... it was one of those "you're sick for a day" colds.

[Nosantee]

Arcoscephale does not like musing in the dark, holding secrets and knowledge from others. Rather, we prefer to keep our neighbors and allies lit with knowledge and information

For this reason, Arcoscephale presents its latest work. A map of the known world! (Note: Flags do not signify capital)

In addition, some mumblings from the astrologers atop the highest mountains.

"Our scouts report that our expansion parties are finished. There is nowhere that remains to expand and we are beginning to feel the vice around us that is the nation of Bandar Log. Whom have cut us off from the entire unclaimed west and will certainly claim the port before us. As well the nation of T'ien'Chi that resides to our east and appears to have raced to keep us from riding to their position. We can only hope that the ones that lay to their east can lay waste and show them that focusing entirely on one cardinal sector was a poor idea. We are actively seeking who they are through many scouts so we may send messengers to work out deals should T'ien'Chi get greedy. Less so do we wish to know the owners of the northern realm. However if we can convince them from allowing Bandar to expand northernly it would only be a benefit to us"

"Furthermore, independant hostilites and power have raised. The remaining provinces that have yet to be annexed into the glory that is Arcoscephale are full of heavily armed knights or our own beasts of burden! Surely T'ien'Chi will claim the secondary port before we are able to crack the lands that harbour the elephants lest we disturb our mages. Perhaps we should seek those that live in the North East and ask them to set up a barricade."

"Economically and magically we grow. Our researchers and military increase each month and we've managed to attain many fertile lands. One stinks of death however and the population seems to be falling from no discenable cause. Our dominion fights with that of Bandar. We've yet to see a candle from T'ien'Chi. Within months we shall begin finding sites of magical power. Lucky we are, as we have found many gems through sheer luck without a single site found. Perhaps we shall use them to launch a surprise invasion on the independant lands bellow Bandar. They don't seem to care about them and have made no advance upon them. Why not teleport in our astrologers and mentally burn those that would oppose us there? Land is land after all..."

[Sopita]

Arcoscephale does not like musing in the dark, holding secrets and knowledge from others. Rather, we prefer to keep our neighbors and allies lit with knowledge and information

For this reason, Arcoscephale presents its latest work. A map of the known world! (Note: Flags do not signify capital)

In addition, some mumblings from the astrologers atop the highest mountains.

"Our scouts report that our expansion parties are finished. There is nowhere that remains to expand and we are beginning to feel the vice around us that is the nation of Bandar Log. Whom have cut us off from the entire unclaimed west and will certainly claim the port before us. As well the nation of T'ien'Chi that resides to our east and appears to have raced to keep us from riding to their position. We can only hope that the ones that lay to their east can lay waste and show them that focusing entirely on one cardinal sector was a poor idea. We are actively seeking who they are through many scouts so we may send messengers to work out deals should T'ien'Chi get greedy. Less so do we wish to know the owners of the northern realm. However if we can convince them from allowing Bandar to expand northernly it would only be a benefit to us"

"Furthermore, independant hostilites and power have raised. The remaining provinces that have yet to be annexed into the glory that is Arcoscephale are full of heavily armed knights or our own beasts of burden! Surely T'ien'Chi will claim the secondary port before we are able to crack the lands that harbour the elephants lest we disturb our mages. Perhaps we should seek those that live in the North East and ask them to set up a barricade."

"Economically and magically we grow. Our researchers and military increase each month and we've managed to attain many fertile lands. One stinks of death however and the population seems to be falling from no discenable cause. Our dominion fights with that of Bandar. We've yet to see a candle from T'ien'Chi. Within months we shall begin finding sites of magical power. Lucky we are, as we have found many gems through sheer luck without a single site found. Perhaps we shall use them to launch a surprise invasion on the independant lands bellow Bandar. They don't seem to care about them and have made no advance upon them. Why not teleport in our astrologers and mentally burn those that would oppose us there? Land is land after all..."

I'm having harder times...:hurt:

[adder83]

Hello there,
unfortunatly today i had to leave the town before the last turn was processed. I will come back tomorrow in the evenening...i would be very thankfull if you could extend the turn for about 10h ( iwill play it as soon as possible just to be sure)
Thank you very much! Sorry for any unconvience!

[Korwin]

The monkeys are confused about the big words from Arco.
Do they want war? Those lands to the south are ours!

And that after we sent you our bannanas?

If the big words didnt mean what we where thinking, use smaller ones in the future.

--
The (confused) monkeys.

[earwicker7]

Hello there,
unfortunatly today i had to leave the town before the last turn was processed. I will come back tomorrow in the evenening...i would be very thankfull if you could extend the turn for about 10h ( iwill play it as soon as possible just to be sure)
Thank you very much! Sorry for any unconvience!

I'll extend it by 10 hours.

[Nosantee]

It means the Stargazers are feeling horridly cramped! With no way to go but East or West both diplomatic relations with both nations suffer.

Peace persists... for now.

Do they want war? Those lands to the south are ours!

[earwicker7]

I've got water gems if anyone wants to trade... I can do 15 water for 15 fire gems. I'm open to other trades if people have some cool items.

[jimbojones1971]

I'm having harder times...:hurt:
Don't be such a tease, tell us more of your great suffering and terrible traumas. :)

[Saros]

Hello monkey people nice to share a border with you.

[Nosantee]

Hello monkey people nice to share a border with you.

Crud you two already share a border!? This... Is not going to end well for me.

[Sopita]

I'm having harder times...:hurt:
Don't be such a tease, tell us more of your great suffering and terrible traumas. :)

Do you want to join the party? :cheers:

[adder83]

Have done my turn :)

Thanks a lot for the extension!

[Korwin]

But Ashdod stalled...

[Sephorin]

Sorry, folks. I had a bit of a... strange thing here. But it's good since it gave Pythium a chance to get back into things. :)


But Ashdod stalled...

[Saros]

Don't worry Nosantee I live way off on the northern continent we just have a port connection.

[Nosantee]

ARG, beat this unluck

Fort going up, only 1 turn left. What happens in the Luck 2 province its in? Hydra. A single, ****ing, hydra unexpected event.

There goes 800 gold and 3 turns of building. Atleast the province isn't worth much (swamp) and makes a nice hydra barrier between me and Bandar.

[earwicker7]

Yeah, I've had nothing but crap random events so far... my country is a veritable brigand factory.

[jimbojones1971]

ARG, beat this unluck

Fort going up, only 1 turn left. What happens in the Luck 2 province its in? Hydra. A single, ****ing, hydra unexpected event.

There goes 800 gold and 3 turns of building. Atleast the province isn't worth much (swamp) and makes a nice hydra barrier between me and Bandar.

OK, you get my vote for "least lucky Nation to date" based on that anecdote.

[Saros]

Sigh barbarian invasion next to my cap. Its not like I needed those resources or anything.

I think my favorite experience with absurd rolls on the RNG would be the time I was playing kailasa and sent 20 yaksha sacreds with a yaksha commander to take an indie province with 20 or so infantry and 6 archers. I was running a strong air bless (70% airshield) and that was the first thing I put up. Turn two a single arrow is fired that avoids the airshield and hits my commander for 6hp damage (out of 28). It then proceeds to give him the battle fright affliction and he promptly fails a morale check and runs away with the whole force =/

[jimbojones1971]

I think my favorite experience with absurd rolls on the RNG would be the time I was playing kailasa and sent 20 yaksha sacreds with a yaksha commander to take an indie province with 20 or so infantry and 6 archers. I was running a strong air bless (70% airshield) and that was the first thing I put up. Turn two a single arrow is fired that avoids the airshield and hits my commander for 6hp damage (out of 28). It then proceeds to give him the battle fright affliction and he promptly fails a morale check and runs away with the whole force =/

It is a funny thing. While events like that are terribly annoying at the time :mad:, I think they are also a large part of the game's charm. :)

[jimbojones1971]

Well, I've met Agartha's pretender Zend Kuh and for an guy whose been dead for several decades he seems like an OK dude. Although he did keep muttering something like "brains, brains" and trying to chew my face off, but I figure that's all part of the charm.

[Numahr]

Agarthan mythology long predicted that from the Mountain Deeps, a new Force would rise, able to defeat Death itself, and that it would bring a new life to the crumbling, abandonned Halls.

I guess that Ermor was a bit too curious, and has just checked and confirmed the reality of the prophecy. :)

[Korwin]

ARG, beat this unluck

Fort going up, only 1 turn left. What happens in the Luck 2 province its in? Hydra. A single, ****ing, hydra unexpected event.

There goes 800 gold and 3 turns of building. Atleast the province isn't worth much (swamp) and makes a nice hydra barrier between me and Bandar.

Ah, you cede the province to the monkeys?
The Monkeys thank you!

[earwicker7]

Hey, all... daughter had a fight with some glass, and she lost lol. Anyways, we just got back from the emergency room, so I'll be sleeping in a little later than usual, so I'm going to put a 4 hour delay on the turn, just in case.

[jimbojones1971]

Agarthan mythology long predicted that from the Mountain Deeps, a new Force would rise, able to defeat Death itself, and that it would bring a new life to the crumbling, abandonned Halls.

I guess that Ermor was a bit too curious, and has just checked and confirmed the reality of the prophecy. :)

I guess I just forgot to read the part of the prophecy about the skeleton guy chewing my face off and then stealing my harem :o

[Numahr]

Well what can I say... after centuries of dusty undead nolife in the depths of the mountains, these sexy pimpy ghosty vestals may not have been in the prophecy, but surely come as a nice re-awakening gift :p

[jimbojones1971]

Hey, all... daughter had a fight with some glass, and she lost lol. Anyways, we just got back from the emergency room, so I'll be sleeping in a little later than usual, so I'm going to put a 4 hour delay on the turn, just in case.

Hope she's OK, dude. Glass is nasty stuff when its broken.

[Sephorin]

Hey, all... daughter had a fight with some glass, and she lost lol. Anyways, we just got back from the emergency room, so I'll be sleeping in a little later than usual, so I'm going to put a 4 hour delay on the turn, just in case.

'Sounds nasty.:sick: I hope she is okay now.

Edit: one of my other games just had an issue with the Llamaserver hosting too early. Result: a few stales. I think that may have been what happened with my stale turn. I was pretty tired when I checked the Llamasever timer that morning, but I'm pretty sure that it said I still had 12 hours (i.e., enough time to sleep before doing my turn). But then when I came back, the game had already hosted.

Anyway, apologies again for the stale. Of course, it means that Ashdod is now weak, so you can all be very nice to me. :D

[earwicker7]

Thanks for the kind wishes towards my daughter. She's ok; it was more of a sideways cut than a deep cut, so they just needed to do an X-Ray to make sure none of the glass stayed in, then they used skin glue to patch it up.

I've actually got my turn finished, but hotmail is not working on my computer. I'm going to try to find another way to get it turned in.

[Numahr]

Dear fellow Pretenders!

Agartha is purchasing your surplus of Earth gems. We will provide you with Fire, Air, Water, Death or Nature gems of the finest quality.

Rate is 1 to 1 +1 bonus gem offered for each 4 gems traded.

[earwicker7]

I was able to send my turn in through my work's email server, but the new turn was sent to hotmail, which is still not working (I tried another computer). Does anyone know if you can have it sent to another address?

[Korwin]

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=CradleToTheGrave&action=changeemail
Change your E-Mail and resend your turn to the new E-Mail.
You are the Admin :D

[earwicker7]

Cool, I had the email changed temporarily to my work address.

Gweldorf, you've got PM.

[Numahr]

Beware to all wise Lords of this World.

The wild nations of Ermor and Vanheim have, in their infamy and jealousy, launched a vicious and coordinated attack to capture the Halls of the Oracles of Agartha and rape as many Pale Ones as they can. Our Golems will oppose a strong resistance to the barbarians. But we ask any civilized nation with a wish to maintain a reasonable balance of power (especially towards the already dominating Vanheim), to join us in the war ASAP.

We are purchasing more Earth gems, by the way.

Zend Kuh

[jimbojones1971]

The wild nations of Ermor and Vanheim have, in their infamy and jealousy, launched a vicious and coordinated attack to capture the Halls of the Oracles of Agartha and rape as many Pale Ones as they can.

Zend Kuh

The word co-ordinated implies a level of sophistication and competence to which I can only aspire :-) For the most part, I just plan to pour hordes of undead across the border until Zend Kuh and his Argathans get sick and tired of killing them and give up in disgust.

The nature of the disagreement between Ermor and Agartha can be summarised thus:

Ermor demanded Southern Agartha for the purposes of raising vast numbers of undead, as well as building a disneyland style theme park devoted to the joys of necromantically enhanced lifestyles.
Agartha politely declined, as Zend Kuh preferred to keep what was his rather than hand over territory to his greedy southern neighbor
Ermor attacked, which ended in dismal failure and frustration.
Not being overly bright, Ermor has now attacked again. Expect more spanking and general murder and mayhem to follow.


At this point, it is perhaps worth noting that key motivational motto of Democratic Centralist, First Consul of Ermor, is "if at first you don't succeed, raise more waves of undead and try it again."

[jimbojones1971]

The first consul of Ermor, Democratic Centralist, is proud to announce the opening of our new theme park "Zombieland" in the territory formerly known as Southern Agartha.

"Zombieland" offers fun package deals for all the family! Bring your kids. Bring your wife. And above all, be sure to bring enough body-bags for everybody (or alternatively pick some themed ones up, signed by Democratic Centralist himself, at our amusement park shop - just next to the ticket stall as you enter).

We would like to extend our grateful thanks to Lord Zend Kuh for making all this possible, in particular for contributing the first batch of fresh bodies to kick start our "wheel of death" attraction.

[Numahr]

Indeed, a double rush this early is quite a challenge for the brave Pale Ones.

But Vanheim, Ermor: just wait to taste the Granite Glaives of my sacred Golems...

[jimbojones1971]

Its very quiet in this thread. Suspiciously so, even ....

[Korwin]

Don't Look at the monkey! Nothing to see...

[Nosantee]

Its very quiet in this thread. Suspiciously so, even ....

WHAT? SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY IMPENDING DEATH. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK UP!

[earwicker7]

Hey, all... last minute Friday night change of plans; if I get back early, I'll try to wrap up tonight, but it may be morning before I can get to it, so I'm setting it back 12 hours.

Speaking of which, when do you guys think we should increase the turn time? I'm starting to get a bit of micromanagement in my empire.

[earwicker7]

Alright, got back early, so my turn is in.

[jimbojones1971]

Hey, all... last minute Friday night change of plans; if I get back early, I'll try to wrap up tonight, but it may be morning before I can get to it, so I'm setting it back 12 hours.

Speaking of which, when do you guys think we should increase the turn time? I'm starting to get a bit of micromanagement in my empire.
I'm flexible with turn limits. Basically, when one of the players feels a need to increase the turn length, I reckon we ought to do it.

In the meantime, if you are comfortable with increasing the posting time on request, that also seems to be working well.

[earwicker7]

Anyone else having a problem with llamaserver? I sent my turn in over an hour ago, and it isn't registering... the last update for either of the games I'm in was about 12 hours ago.

[Nosantee]

It is indeed down. When it comes back up if anyone hasn't submitted it will increase the timer by a few days.

This shouldn't be an issue though if everyone gets their turn in since it will auto host. Mail server still seems to be working since I got confirmation mails back that they were recieved.

[earwicker7]

It is indeed down. When it comes back up if anyone hasn't submitted it will increase the timer by a few days.

This shouldn't be an issue though if everyone gets their turn in since it will auto host. Mail server still seems to be working since I got confirmation mails back that they were recieved.

Nope... I sent mine in twice in the last few hours, just to make sure, and haven't received a confirmation on either one of them.

So you're positive it won't auto-host without my turn? I'd hate it if my first decent stab at MP (I'm getting slain in my other game because of REALLY stupid newbie mistakes... hey all, let's make an Abyssian pretender with Death 3, it'll be awesome lol) ends with me staling through no fault of my own.

[jimbojones1971]

Ah, so there is a problem with the llama server. OK, in that case I will stop panicking :-)

[jimbojones1971]

Hrmmm, it seems the llama server is not my friend.

Anyone else end up with a stale?

[Nosantee]

Hrmmm, it seems the llama server is not my friend.

Anyone else end up with a stale?

I can imagine that may have happened with a few people who didn't get their turn in on time due to confusion or maybe the server not checking the mail first before hosting.

My turn (And my enemies too, unfortunately --; ) went through just fine it seems as I've recieved a proverbial *** kicking in that one turn.

[jimbojones1971]

Yeah, if its only a couple of us there's no point worrying about it. Its kinda like an exceptional random event, I guess ;-)

[Korwin]

My turn (And my enemies too, unfortunately --; ) went through just fine it seems as I've recieved a proverbial *** kicking in that one turn.

Since you didnt take that beating from me (only got what, an Elephant?), is it save to asume live is good for Tien Chi?

But slowly the monkey poo giant is waking up... beware!

[Nosantee]

My turn (And my enemies too, unfortunately --; ) went through just fine it seems as I've recieved a proverbial *** kicking in that one turn.

Since you didnt take that beating from me (only got what, an Elephant?), is it save to asume live is good for Tien Chi?

But slowly the monkey poo giant is waking up... beware!

Due to a battle being on my side rather than his side I've got to wait a turn now before I can attack again. I should have been seiging one of his forts next turn, but that wont even be happening for 2 more now due to the DRN hating me. (Why did it even pick my side? 60 vs 150, derp lets have it on 150s side! It's like when you sent five units at me and it had the battle on my side when I sent out my entire 60+ army) DRN hates me this game.

I misscripted one of my communion masters with communion slave by accident which means my eight slaves didn't get reinvigoration. They fatigued out at turn 4 and I lost the battle along with 2 of them.

Basically this turn was a cluster ****. Next turn ain't looking much better either since it'll just be me waiting.

[Sephorin]

I was hoping I could do my turn this morning, but it looks like the file won't be coming in before I leave. So... could I ask for a 24 hour extension on the next turn? Hopefully I won't need it...

[earwicker7]

I was hoping I could do my turn this morning, but it looks like the file won't be coming in before I leave. So... could I ask for a 24 hour extension on the next turn? Hopefully I won't need it...

Hey, I just now saw this, but it looks like you already did your turn. For future reference, please note that I do always check this forum a couple of hours before the game is set to host, so I would have noticed way before you would have staled, and would definitely have set it back 24 hours. Hope you didn't have to rush the turn.

EDIT--D'oh, you're asking for the next turn lol. Yes, I'll set it back 24 hours.

[adder83]

My turn (And my enemies too, unfortunately --; ) went through just fine it seems as I've recieved a proverbial *** kicking in that one turn.

Since you didnt take that beating from me (only got what, an Elephant?), is it save to asume live is good for Tien Chi?

But slowly the monkey poo giant is waking up... beware!

Due to a battle being on my side rather than his side I've got to wait a turn now before I can attack again. I should have been seiging one of his forts next turn, but that wont even be happening for 2 more now due to the DRN hating me. (Why did it even pick my side? 60 vs 150, derp lets have it on 150s side! It's like when you sent five units at me and it had the battle on my side when I sent out my entire 60+ army) DRN hates me this game.

I misscripted one of my communion masters with communion slave by accident which means my eight slaves didn't get reinvigoration. They fatigued out at turn 4 and I lost the battle along with 2 of them.

Basically this turn was a cluster ****. Next turn ain't looking much better either since it'll just be me waiting.

If you didnt like that turn, then this turn must have been pure hell :)

[Nosantee]

If you didnt like that turn, then this turn must have been pure hell :)

Lets just say I've lost unless I can pull a rabbit out of my hat

[adder83]

Its not so hopeless i think...this was just one battle not the war...

[jimbojones1971]

Its not so hopeless i think...this was just one battle not the war...
Also, once it is clear that you have lost you have the potential to make yourself endlessly annoying if you set your mind to it.

Korwin did a pretty good job on me (Sauromantia rampaging through the wilds of Hinnom) in my first game. :eek:

Learning from that experience, I am having even more fun as Ashdod in an all nations, all eras game. Its amazing how nice it feels to torch your tormentors temples and then run away as they chase you. :nana:

So I know the game is all about winning, but to be honest you can have about the same level of fun even if you are getting boned. Then you can ascend to Dominions 3 heaven :angel: safe in the knowledge that all of your enemies truly hate you :D

[earwicker7]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I can no longer keep the game at 24 hours... running a successful empire is a lot of work. I'm going to change it to 48 hours.

[jimbojones1971]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I can no longer keep the game at 24 hours... running a successful empire is a lot of work. I'm going to change it to 48 hours.

Sounds good. I am starting to struggle with running a fairly mediocre empire on a 24 hour time limit, so if you are actually successful I can see it would be even more time consuming :-D

[Nosantee]

Being in three games myself now, I happily accept the new 48h clock

[jimbojones1971]

Well, Agartha made a darned good showing in the battle for his capital, especially given that he was outnumbered about three to one.

In the end, the massed hordes of undead, sacred vestals and legionnaires from Ermor were to much even for the brave Pale Ones of Agartha, but it wasn't for lack of trying or bravery on the part of Zend Kuh's people.

[Korwin]

If you didnt like that turn, then this turn must have been pure hell :)

Lets just say I've lost unless I can pull a rabbit out of my hat


Is you Capital under siege, like mine?
(or did something change in the current turn? Couldnt look at it)

[Nosantee]

If you didnt like that turn, then this turn must have been pure hell :)

Lets just say I've lost unless I can pull a rabbit out of my hat


Is you Capital under siege, like mine?
(or did something change in the current turn? Couldnt look at it)

Basically due to me not knowing that routing isn't determined after each fight he cut off an escape route I figured would be safe.

I lost 16 mages and 100 hoplites in the turn. He's sieging one of my forts too. And your cap ain't under siege anymore. Well, it is, but its just a scout lol. My mages on your side are cornered. If both of you just keep pushing a bit I'm sure you've got me haha.

I still can't believe T'ien'chi went about this the way he did... I mean... Assaulting Arco with traditional armies (90% archers at that!!!). That's insane, its expected I'd have had elephants which would slaughter them and would just trample. I expected his expectation that he didn't have and wen't anti-mage/general army.

Lesson learned. Just mass elephants in the beginning and slowly transition into mages. This game has been a huge boon to my learning that not everyone thinks about elephants from the start.

[Saros]

Massed archers are generally considered a far better counter to elephants than infantry as they all get to attack and elephants go down pretty quick with enough set on fire monsters. Armored hopolites on the other hand are almost missile immune thanks to shield + high prot.
Generally I find you want a squad of elephants (maybe a dozen) then the rest it more conventional units. That means the opponents is forced to counter the elephants at the expense of being able to fight your infantry.
Also don't forget the trick of putting hypnatists into elephant squads to boost their morale.

In other news it turns out I have to go away for four days (8th to 12th.) I will take a portable install and will do my best to get turns in but I don't know exactly if/when I will be able to.

[Nosantee]

Alright guys something big just occured in my life and I wont be able to continue this game. I'm terribly sorry but I've got to drop out as I no-longer have the time (and possibly the ability to access) for the game

I'll try to find a sub as quickly as I can.

[adder83]

I m sorry to hear...hope it is nothing serious?

For the game: as this turn has shown arco is far from defeated....

[earwicker7]

Alright guys something big just occured in my life and I wont be able to continue this game. I'm terribly sorry but I've got to drop out as I no-longer have the time (and possibly the ability to access) for the game

I'll try to find a sub as quickly as I can.

Sorry to hear that.

[Nosantee]

Sorry to hear that.
I m sorry to hear...hope it is nothing serious?

For the game: as this turn has shown arco is far from defeated....

Haha no-no its nothing serious or bad (Infact its a good thing) it's just going to be occupying all my time for the next half a year or so. I'll miss domIII during that time!

[earwicker7]

Sorry to hear that.
I m sorry to hear...hope it is nothing serious?

For the game: as this turn has shown arco is far from defeated....

Haha no-no its nothing serious or bad (Infact its a good thing) it's just going to be occupying all my time for the next half a year or so. I'll miss domIII during that time!

Dude, discovering your true sexual orientation is NOT a reason to skip out on Dominions! ;)

Congrats on whatever it is.

[adder83]

Good that it is something nice! But you are making me curious...will you share what lucky thing happend to you?

[Nosantee]

Good that it is something nice! But you are making me curious...will you share what lucky thing happend to you?

Not really a lucky thing. I've decided to take a bit of a push in my life and have finalized my choice to enlist in the US Army. I'd been thinking about it for a while and have finally brought myself to do it. Being unemployed for almost a year and having almost no money helps make that push haha. Aparently a college degree doesn't make me qualified to even wash dishes or flip burgers in a common setting. Who'd have guessed?

I'm taking the ASVAB tomorrow. Going to try to get a nice high score so I can qualify for and enroll as a desk jockey somewhere over-seas and not get shot at.

[adder83]

As much i support the idea of getting a job/push ones life i was always suspicious towards the army. I would always try to find something else then join there....but its my personal opinion for you its maybe really the right thing to do.

Well then good luck! See you over-sea!

[jimbojones1971]

So what are our plans for finding a sub? I reckon we should put the game on hold until we find someone (or set the country to AI maybe?).

[Nosantee]

So what are our plans for finding a sub? I reckon we should put the game on hold until we find someone (or set the country to AI maybe?).

I posted a topic (Subs needed for three games!) that covers for all three. If interested you can go ahead and bump it. I should still be able to get in one or two more turns before if we can't find a sub quickly

[adder83]

As the initial intention was to have a game with players with a record of no staling....should a potential sub fullfill this requirement as well? Complicated i know....but for my experience subbed nations tend to be left more frequently (atlantis of Last Rites already has its 3rd or 4th player...)

[earwicker7]

As the initial intention was to have a game with players with a record of no staling....should a potential sub fullfill this requirement as well? Complicated i know....but for my experience subbed nations tend to be left more frequently (atlantis of Last Rites already has its 3rd or 4th player...)

That's a good question...

[earwicker7]

Is llamaserver having issues again? I sent in my turn an hour ago, but it's not showing, and the last time it was updated was about six hours ago.

[Korwin]

If we have the choice between two candidates, we should take the one with better history.
Since I dont think, we get that choise... Lets take whoever we can get ;)

[earwicker7]

Weird... unless I did a delayed hosting order while sleepwalking, and it somehow never went through until a few minutes ago, llamaserver just kicked back the turn by 16 hours. Agartha, do you need the extra time?

[Korwin]

Llamaserver had an strike yesterday.

[earwicker7]

Agartha, where are you? There's only a few minutes left! I'm postponing it by two hours, but that's it unless you let me know what's going on.

[Nosantee]

I wont be able to get to the turn today and would advise possibly extending it a day while a sub is still trying to be found. If I can't find one I'll have no real choice but to switch to AI which would give T'ien'chi a huge boon and possibly bring Bandar back into the game.

[earwicker7]

I wont be able to get to the turn today and would advise possibly extending it a day while a sub is still trying to be found. If I can't find one I'll have no real choice but to switch to AI which would give T'ien'chi a huge boon and possibly bring Bandar back into the game.

Gotcha... I'll put it back 24 hours.

[earwicker7]

It looks like we found a sub! Thumbs up for Kennoseishin.

Do I simply substitute his email through the admin tools?

[earwicker7]

I've set the turn to host 48 hours from now, so that our new Arco player gets as much time as the rest of us.

[Sephorin]

Thanks, Kennoseishin. And welcome.

[earwicker7]

Arco, are you there? You were about to stale, so I postponed hosting for an hour.

[kennoseishin]

Thanks for the extension. I should be fine from here on out.

[jimbojones1971]

So, how goes the world for all the other nations in the game?

I am pleased to note that Ermor is experiencing an economic and cultural renaissance, fuelled by a surplus of undead labour.

[earwicker7]

So, how goes the world for all the other nations in the game?

I am pleased to note that Ermor is experiencing an economic and cultural renaissance, fuelled by a surplus of undead labour.

War is a-brewin' with Marignon. It got to the point where I had to either turtle or expand, so I had to break our peace (with five turns notice, of course... I respect my treaties).

If anyone happens to be on their flank, now would be a good time to attack them.

[jimbojones1971]

War is a-brewin' with Marignon. It got to the point where I had to either turtle or expand, so I had to break our peace (with five turns notice, of course... I respect my treaties).

If anyone happens to be on their flank, now would be a good time to attack them.

With all that witch burning and suchlike, Marignon is clearly the main cause of global warming in this game. Taken together with their refusal to use an acceptable renewable source of energy (e.g. vast hordes of undead) despite the example of some of their neighbors, and we have no choice but to declare our interest in helping to horribly murder them. In a spirit of friendship and cooperation, of course - it is clearly in the long term best interest of the people of Marignon to be stabbed to death and then raised again as zombies.

[Saros]

Hey I am away for two days and will likely need an extension to make sure I don't miss a turn. I just sent in this turn and if the timer is 48h like I think I should be fine with just a 24h extension, hopefully I will get back in time but I don't want to stale out if I don't.

[earwicker7]

Hey I am away for two days and will likely need an extension to make sure I don't miss a turn. I just sent in this turn and if the timer is 48h like I think I should be fine with just a 24h extension, hopefully I will get back in time but I don't want to stale out if I don't.

Ok, I'll extend it by 24 hours.

[jimbojones1971]

Well, if fighting Agartha's main army was like a near death experience involving getting kicked in the teeth by an angry horse and then run over by a tractor, fighting Marignon's turned out to be more like getting gently spanked with a wet lettuce by an elderly matron whilst drinking tea and discussing the weather.

As a consequence, I think it is fair to say that the unjust invasion of peace loving Ermor by the brutal witch burning bigots of Marignon has been successfully repulsed. Now for the counter attack! And possibly some more tea and wet lettuce. Mmmmm, lettuce.

(If I get time, I will post an account of the actual battle.)

[kennoseishin]

Well, that was an interesting three months. My predecessor was involved in a two-front war -.- But the great nation of Arcoscephale is no stranger to in-fighting! We shall soon be victorious against those ascetic (or is it asiatic?) monkeys! But towards the barbarous empire of the east, perhaps we can work out a deal...

Or maybe not. I mean, really, five elements?! There's obviously only four! Well, unless you count the ether...

I'll return once I consult with my sages. It's tough being a philosopher-king.

[earwicker7]

Since Saros asked for a 24 hour extension, and my daughter just informed me that she needs my help on a project that is due tomorrow (she conveniently "didn't remember about it" until around the time I was going to start playing), I'm just going to delay this turn by 24 hours, because I probably won't be able to finish it until sometime tomorrow. If for some reason I am able to finish early, I'll go ahead and delay the next turn instead... does that work for you, Saros?