SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game

[Numahr]

As a neighbor and enemy of LA Ermor, I agree on waiting to find a sub. I hate major wars against AIs.

[iRFNA]

This is very unfortunate. I think we may be approaching the point of waiting for a sub so long it causes other people to drop out of the game...

[bbz]

you said he lost his pretender right? that means that there is no difference even if you set him to AI. So I vote for Ai whenever people are ready to get the game going.

[iRFNA]

I'm less averse to setting LA ermor to AI in particular anyway because, in my experience, that is the nation the AI plays the best hands down. Still sucks compared to a sub, though.

[NaivePhilosopher]

I'm less averse to setting LA ermor to AI in particular anyway because, in my experience, that is the nation the AI plays the best hands down. Still sucks compared to a sub, though.

This is true. Honestly if it comes down to set one nation AI vs. find subs for multiple nations, I'd rather that we set the one nation to AI.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yeah, I think he should be set AI, we're not going to find a sub and it's just holding up the game.

[earcaraxe]

Hi!

I gladly take a look on LA Ermor, im playing with the idea of subbing in. I dont consider myself a noob, I just got into the hall of fame with 4 mp victories, but i have zero experience with LA Ermor.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Well I'd be fine with it, but I'm not fighting Ermor in game. :)

[iRFNA]

I'm fine with it

[iRFNA]

Ok, it seems we've got a sub, and having someone more skilled playing ermor is something I find amusing. If ermor sweeps the lands with bones and death, that'd be pretty awesome. Anyway, emailing gandalf to restart the timer.

[earcaraxe]

Greetings everyone!

As the new field marshal of this crumbling empire, I ask u to shed light on diplomatic agreements involving my precedessor. Since our god has been banished and we have no contact with it, could any of you - who have seen him/her/it - how it looked like? just to help us recognize him in case we find him again.

very nice nice map, i have never played on it!

[iRFNA]

The ermor god was a lord of the gates with either 4 or 6 in 4 paths.. air, fire, death.. and something else?

And as far as I know, all your land fairing neighbors hate you, and probably the ones at sea too.

[Numahr]

Welcome to our game!
I indeed confirm that I hate you. Too many bakemono villages, once filled with love, happiness and joyful children, are but dust and desolation because of you.

[earcaraxe]

they would have died anyway. now they have died as happy families, before growing bored of each other, or getting divorced, quarelling all day etc...

[bbz]

Greetings, and welcome to our game.I wish you good luck in defending yourself against the hungry vultures.

[Numahr]

"hungry vultures"?

O Lord of the Druids, I respectfully beg your pardon. We are defending ourselves against a source of evil that kills us even if not attacking with conventional armies - and actually Man was indeed invaded by the undead horde. In return, we get desolated wasteland.

It is easy to sympathize with the Late-Ermorian Abomination from a distance. But rejoice that some brave nations take the burden to fight it off, as otherwise even distance, eventually, will not protect you from all the evil magic it can release on our world. Just ask your aged druids how they would fency living under Burden of Time?

[bbz]

Just ask your aged druids how they would fency living under Burden of Time?

Actually, thats a good point. Kill the Undead menace!!!

(you know that when you are not involved in a conflict you usually support the underdog. But yea the Burden of Time point was very persuasive:))

[earcaraxe]

"hungry vultures"?

O Lord of the Druids, I respectfully beg your pardon. We are defending ourselves against a source of evil ...

That is exactly the same use of words as in every war be it agression or plain conquest: the enemy is "evil", and we are just "defending" ourselves (just like the usa in iraq or the crusades in the middle ages).

I wonder who is having invasion armies in whose provinces...

[lwarmonger]

That is exactly the same use of words as in every war be it agression or plain conquest: the enemy is "evil", and we are just "defending" ourselves (just like the usa in iraq or the crusades in the middle ages).

I wonder who is having invasion armies in whose provinces...

The crusades were simply taking back old Byzantine provinces for Christianity (the proper Catholic version... not that heretic Orthodox nonsense). If you really want to go into the "who took whose" land in the middle east you can go back a very long ways without really solving anything.

At the end of the day, might makes right. If you blanket the world with undead, who is going to tell you that you were too aggressive?

[earcaraxe]

im not sure what u are talking about.

and i fail to see why orthodox christianity is more (or less) nonsense than catholicism. altho i know them both for some (enough) extent.

[earcaraxe]

maybe it is because i have only played PBEM before, but none of my commands got executed this turn. do i have to send my turn somehow? i assumed i just have to plan them, then press "e". am i missing something?

[bbz]

Hmmm well you need to connect to the server and then press end turn,
what else you can do is to connect to the server,So that the game downloads the recent turn, then play your turn not online and then log back in so that it can update your turn.

[iRFNA]

We've been experiencing this bug a few times in this game. A few people got nailed toward the start, I had it happen a few turns ago, and now you I guess. :doh:

No idea as to the cause. Did it give you any weird messages? When this bug happens, there's a message about an outdated turn file or something.

Btw, two astral windows? Voyeurs!

[earcaraxe]

i didnt receive odd messages. i think i did my turn right tho. Poor Ermor, Fate isnt on its side this time.

[lwarmonger]

im not sure what u are talking about.

Christians were there before muslims. Jews were there before either. Pagans were there before anyone else. Who really cares?


and i fail to see why orthodox christianity is more (or less) nonsense than catholicism. altho i know them both for some (enough) extent.

Orthodox Christianity was getting overrun at this point, so clearly they were heretics, which was why they were losing (God wasn't on their side). In this game though you are on your own side! So clearly the true one is going to be the victor!

[iRFNA]

Christians were there before muslims. Jews were there before either. Pagans were there before anyone else. Who really cares?

The numenoreans were here before all of them, and denethor is their descendant. Bow down before the steward of gondor!

[iRFNA]

Mauxe hasn't logged in for 8 days, and I think he staled last turn :(

[bbz]

anyone has any information on his situation? Sub him out?(although its a bit daft people leave like that without notice)

[iRFNA]

I think when the game stalls out waiting for a sub for a week.. or more.. like we did, some people completely lose interest and stop checking the forums. I was worried about this.

[Ragabash]

I'm checking : )

[bbz]

So what do we do about this game? I didn't see any sub threads.

[iRFNA]

I have a bad habit of waiting half a day or a day after deciding to sub someone out in the desperate hope that they'll magically reappear. Sub thread up now.

[iRFNA]

I really don't like this pattern of long sub request waits resulting in someone else disappearing. Yet caelum can't possibly be set to AI, I'm not sure if there's any nation the AI does worse with. I don't really have an acceptable solution, and I guess I'm merely stating the obvious problem, but ugh. This sucks.

[bbz]

zzzz well, we can still hope that someone will get interested into it.

I'm just stating the obvious aswell

[earcaraxe]

as much as i'd like to horribly murder all the wardens with wailing ladies,I can take over caelum instead to avoid furher staling, and hand ermor to the AI.

[bbz]

yea thats not too bad of an idea.

[iRFNA]

Ok, that sounds good. Does caelum have a password?

[earcaraxe]

we will need someone who doesnt play this game to send in the last turn of ermor then.

[earcaraxe]

Ok, that sounds good. Does caelum have a password?

no.

[earcaraxe]

I will take over caelum then. Please inform me in PM about diplomatic agreements.

[Finalgenesis]

I have been asked to turn LA ermor AI, I will be doing so

Edit: it is done.

[iRFNA]

I loaned you 1000 astral gems that caelum promptly converted to earth gems and alchemized, so you can pay me back whenever

I'll have gandalf AI ermor.. if that is possible, I think it is?

edit: Oh, finalgenesis is doing it. Welp, already sent the email asking along with the timer restart, so I guess we're good one way or another.

[earcaraxe]

I asked FG who was kind to help. turn resloved, we are good to go.

im changing my empires like shoes. :)

[earcaraxe]

is there a way to get an email notice about turn resolution?

[iRFNA]

Not that I know of, but you can check the status of custom games here (http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/privategames.cgi).

[Admiral_Aorta]

You should talk to Gandalf, he can probably work something out for you.

[Numahr]

Again, one of my armies ordered to move did not do so; actually it decided to patrol instead :doh:

[earcaraxe]

i bet there was a fort in that province, wasnt there? There is a known bug, if two armies were to collide, sometimes neither of them moves and they patrol instead.

[Numahr]

Actually there was no fort. But this may well be this bug.

In this game I really feel like a real ruler encountering communication problems with the front line... frustrating but somehow "nice" once I role-play it ;)

Still I hope it will not happen anymore neither to me nor to anyone else in the game

[iRFNA]

I wish I understood why this game in particular is being so buggy.

[Numahr]

I don't want to be repetitive, but just reporting one more immobile army. Just no order processed. Maybe related to me being the last to play? I'll try to avoid it this time. The last player to update could report if he has such a bug.

[earcaraxe]

please update my nation on the first post, thanks.

[earcaraxe]

it seems to me, that the bulk of the turns arrives well before the deadline. i personally would prefer a faster pace, im wondering if everyone thinks that. are there anyone objecting this?

[iRFNA]

I don't mind, but it depends on what everyone thinks. Presumably, the people taking longer need that time, but who knows.

[lwarmonger]

48 hours is a good timeframe for me. Any faster and I could occasionally have problems making my turns (although in about 3 weeks I'm going to need to get a sub for two weeks, as my unit will be in the field).

[NaivePhilosopher]

I'm fine with 48 hours; if everyone gets a turn in and speeds it up a bit, great, but I'd rather avoid any more stales in this game if at all possible.

[Numahr]

I am currently moving and changing jobs in a move involving Tajikistan, France and Mali, so I'd rather keep the 48h timer, as it would be hard to follow a faster pace at present.

[earcaraxe]

did ea ermor stale last turn? any way to know it? (besides asking)

[Soyweiser]

I'm away this long weekend. Cannot play the turns. However, I do only have my Cap left (Which I intend to keep, thank you very much ulm and atlantis). So I do not know if I should mind a stale or not.

[Admiral_Aorta]

We certainly don't mind if you stale. :D

[lwarmonger]

Indeed not! Although I have been very impressed with how long you've managed to hang on. By my count you have defeated no fewer than 4 attacking armies besieging your capital, 3 from Atlantis and 1 from me. I think my next force is sufficient to finish you off.

[bbz]

As I posted in the other thread could I have some extension for the turn after this one. I will submit the current turn.

[lwarmonger]

I am going out on a 2 week field problem on the 23rd. I will probably be gone from the 23rd of June to the 9th, I will definitely be gone from the 23rd to the 5th. I will look for a sub if everyone wants, as this game has suffered quite a few delays as it is. Shouldn't be too hard as I am in a fairly strong position.

[iRFNA]

Ya, definitely need a sub. I think a 2 week delay would be the touch of death for this game.

[Numahr]

Sorry guys but I have to report yet one strange behavior: I have researched conjuration 6, however when I click on "Cast Ritual Spell" on the relevant mages, the following spells don't appear:
- Summon Roc
- Summon Zmey
(it is not like all EDM summons are bugged because Quest for the Firebird appears)

I have rebooted my computer, launched again the game several times, but I don't know what else to do...

What the heck? A whole part of a carefully designed and implemented mid-game strategy disappears :( Almost a game-breaking bug for me...

Does anyone have similar experiences with spells, or ideas for a solution???

[iRFNA]

I'm not sure what to make of that.. I definitely haven't heard of it happening before. Try hitting f or a while in the spell list to filter only for fire or air magic, maybe they're just buried in the spells?

[Ragabash]

Guys, can we take a break? I'm going away for a week, I'm a trainer in a summercamp. I'll be missing from 06-15, till 06-21.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Numahr, any luck with the Roc and Zmey? I've never heard about anything like that, but you seem to be getting the brunt of every bug that's occurred so far :(

[Soyweiser]

Perhaps it is due to the crosspath spells?

And after a stale I have even more troops at my gates. More meat for the grinder.

[lwarmonger]

Guys, can we take a break? I'm going away for a week, I'm a trainer in a summercamp. I'll be missing from 06-15, till 06-21.

Come on now... I want to get a couple of more turns in and finish crushing Bandar Log before I have to leave. Not very sporting to mention this the day prior to you leaving either... it gives nobody time to react if the consensus is to find a sub for you.

Incidentally, I've found a sub for myself everyone. I'll keep playing until the 22nd, and then Ghill will be taking over for me. I've explained all of my current agreements (and conflicts) with my neighbors to him, I'll leave it up to him to introduce himself and whether he wishes to continue those or not. I am assuming that he will, in which case it would be nice of you all to allow your diplomatic agreements with me carry over to him. If not, I assure you that Ulm has very deep reserves with which to fight!

[lwarmonger]

Perhaps it is due to the crosspath spells?

And after a stale I have even more troops at my gates. More meat for the grinder.

Bring it! I think this may be the end of you!

[Soyweiser]

I doubt it will be. So far all armies have broken against my might like waves from the sea break on the shores of innocence.

[iRFNA]

It's the sea that is innocent, actually. So by your metaphor, even the innocent seas are not up to the task of cleansing the land of your vile taint. No good in this world can wash away soyweiser's horrors.

[bbz]

I am back. Thank you all for your patience.

[lwarmonger]

I doubt it will be. So far all armies have broken against my might like waves from the sea break on the shores of innocence.

We can lose many times and still come back. You can only lose once. We will bury you.

[earcaraxe]

is this game having a break? it seems to me that the hosting time interval has been removed (why?), and only numahr's turn is missing (for about 12 hours at least), yet he havent asked for delay on these forums. I would prefer some clarity regarding breaks and lengths of hosting intervals in this game, thanks.

[iRFNA]

Well, ragabash is gone until the 21st, so we're going to be hold until then, conveniently screwing lwarmonger out of his last turns before subbing out.

[Ghill]

HAHAHAHAH. Sucks to be Iwarmonger.

Wonder who he got as a sub? :D

[lwarmonger]

All I wanted to do was finish off Bandar Log. So close!

[Numahr]

Did I mistake uploading my turn? I thought the game was on hold but by sending my turn (I felt bad being the only one missing even if the game is supposed to be on hold), I provoked quick host... I hope I did not screw any one.

By the way, please let me know if you reach conjuration 6 and can/cannot summon Rocs and Zmeys, this bug really annoys me and i would like to know if it is only me or maybe some unexpected consequences of the cross-path combat spells, or whatever else...?

[iRFNA]

It's fine about the quickhost, everyone had their turn in so it went to the next. The timer is off to prevent anyone without their turn in from getting staled on.

That CPCS could be causing your problem is an interesting idea... If that's the case, it might have broken a great deal more than just those summons.

[iRFNA]

Putting the timer back up

[iRFNA]

Ragabash, aren't you supposed to be back by now?

Btw, the timer hasn't gone back up, maybe gandalf missed my email.

[Ghill]

GAH! I completely spaced! I am the worst sub EVER!

[iRFNA]

I'm not sure what you're talking about since you haven't had a chance to do anything yet. We're still waiting on ragabash, who hasn't logged into the forums since he said he'd be gone from 15-21...

[Ghill]

I was reading the thread when I realized it was a day after Iwarmonger told me he was leaving. I sort of panicked.

My turn is done now...

[Ghill]

Uhhh, what just happened to the auto turn timer?

Are we waiting indefinitely?

[iRFNA]

I might have to find a sub for ragabash. I hope nothing bad happened to him on his trip or something.

[Ragabash]

Sorry for the delay, got back, had some work till 23 and then I was sorta kidnapped for partying, denying any access to a PC w/dominions3 ;/

[Admiral_Aorta]

Hey, the new patch causes duplicate weapons with CBM, so the game should probably be put on hold until we have a fixed version.

[earcaraxe]

yeah, this game is too fast paced anyways :P

[iRFNA]

This poor game. A solution for the mod problems appears to be here (http://www.dom3minions.com/fixed_mods/). This game is using CBM 1.83, so grab this (http://www.dom3minions.com/fixed_mods/CB1.83.dm.zip).

[Ghill]

25 minutes until hosting...

Duplicate weapons is a bug that DOESN'T MERIT GAME STOPPAGE. EVER.

Also, thanks for the fix links.

EDIT: Just realized that Admiral_Aorta was probably joking.

[Ghill]

Did Soyweiser just go AI? Well, good game man. Don't know if you did it on purpose, but you almost broke out.

Also, I SCREW MY LUCK. I just lost an entire army when a battle I didn't see coming made me retreat into a province that got snatched the same turn by Random Barbarians. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

[Soyweiser]

Nope, I did not go AI. I saw this was the last turn I would have any dominion left. So I tried to take some of your troops with me. Didn't go as well as I hoped.

But enjoy one cursed army, and some armorless knights.

Thanks for the game everybody! I got beaten badly, but it was still fun.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Why is the timer off? Has someone gone away again?

[iRFNA]

Oh, bbz didn't post in either thread about it. He sent me a PM saying he was gonna be gone for 5-6 days.

[bbz]

ok sorry everyone. I said that I would be gone for 5-6 days and that I will submit the current turn so that you can guys play it out. Now though I found a free internet wifi where I am so I guess I will be able to submit turns. you can put the timer on again. Thanks all and sorry for the confusion will post here and pm the next time

[lwarmonger]

Nope, I did not go AI. I saw this was the last turn I would have any dominion left. So I tried to take some of your troops with me. Didn't go as well as I hoped.

But enjoy one cursed army, and some armorless knights.

Thanks for the game everybody! I got beaten badly, but it was still fun.

Plenty more armies where that came from! Good scales mean lots of cheap, well armored troops marching against whomever decides to test Ulmish steel.

Glad to see that after all of that effort Ulm is going to be the nation to take the Monkey capital!

[earcaraxe]

im currently out iof town and i forgot to ask for a postponement. i will get back at july 18, monday, evening, please delay the turn until then, thanks!

[lwarmonger]

I am back in charge of Ulm! Ghill has clued me into the changes in the diplomatic situation. His acting as a temp for me is much appreciated.

[earcaraxe]

thanks irfna. i got back sooner than i expected, sent my turn in.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm having trouble connecting to the server, is anyone else having the same problem?

[earcaraxe]

i also am

[Numahr]

Me too

[Thanatus del Dragos]

havent been able to connect for a long time for this game, but others are fine.

[iRFNA]

Emailed gandalf for a restart

[earcaraxe]

ragabash had about one week to send his turn in (yomi). i wonder why he havent.

[iRFNA]

Well, he hasn't logged into the forums for 16 days...

[iRFNA]

Sent ragabash a PM, if he hasn't responded by tomorrow I'll begin the great sub search

[earcaraxe]

i will be on vacation until monday 18:00 GMT. Most probably that wont cause a delay if we will be waiting for asub for ragabash.

I have already sent my current turn in.

[iRFNA]

Is anyone around yomi that can tell me of their general status in the game so I can post it in a sub thread?

[bbz]

well I have a Nap-3 with them and they have been in war with LA-Jomon. they are doing allright I guess. I don't have that much info in the area though probably ask Jomon on how he is doing.

[iRFNA]

There is something amusing about jomon warring with the demons of their past

[Echodyne]

I will unfortunately be out of town attending to family matters from July 27th through August 2nd or 3rd. I have tried to find a way to get my turns in but under the pressing circumstances it just won't work.

[Echodyne]

I am fine with a sub if someone is available.

[bbz]

to be honest I might need a big extension at some point aswell. (not that point)and since it is summer and all have RL plans I am happy with waiting up until whenever. If you can find yourself a temporary substitue that will be fine aswell.

[iRFNA]

If you guys could give me a quick rundown of your state, I can just have a mega sub and temp sub thread or something. I get the feeling, though, that there just aren't enough people around willing to sub that will make the temp subbing work, but we'll see.

Also, could jomon give me some info on yomi's state for said thread?

[lwarmonger]

So are we going to set Yomi to AI or what? With all these delays I am coming up on a period where I'll be away for another two weeks in October, and at this rate we'll be two or three turns on from where we are now. At some point we just have to either let people stale when they are going to be gone, set them to AI if they leave without coming up on the net, or make sure that everyone knows that if they will be leaving for a period that means they won't be able to play their turns the onus of finding a sub is on them (because it is or should be... this is getting rediculous). Ultimately I think this game will lose more players simply through inactivity then it will by sticking to that 48 hour (or even shifting to 72 hour) turns and not pausing the timer for every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides to leave for a week without finding a sub.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I think we should just put the timer back on and let people stale, or set them AI, this is ridiculous.

[iRFNA]

I have to admit to some frustration with all of the delays. I'm sorta stuck between putting the timer up now and ambushing echodyne with stales he didn't expect, but possibly to keep more people from disappearing, or at least waiting until he returns and having a stricter policy on delays starting then. As far as ragabash, I had hoped to get more info about the state of yomi for a sub thread, but evidently it is not to be.

[bbz]

hmmm I can guess how many provinces he has sort of but I need to check. not a leading position but deffinately not a loosing one. Somewhere in the middle so there is still chance to get good allies and to get the game but it needs some work. If you said you'd give a delay then you should wait:). Otherwise you could be strickter in the future if you want to. I personally am fine with big delays since I might need them soon:)in 20ish days.

[lwarmonger]

Here is the thing though, if we wait a week for everyone who needs a week we'll still be playing this game two years from now. I needed two weeks last month and I got a sub. A game like this you have to be ruthless insofar as progress otherwise you don't get anywhere. If we don't start making more progress though I am going to have to leave the game. I wasn't anticipating this game lasting a year or two when I entered it in March due to a weeklong delay for anyone who asks, and I am willilng to bet that others are in teh same boat here.

[bbz]

fair enough:) yea I was thinking of finding a sub if I needed more than a day or two delay.

[iRFNA]

Ok, echodyne is setup to reappear today at the latest. No sub appeared for yomi, so I'm setting him to AI. Timer is going back up on 48 hours, and let's try to keep it there!

[Numahr]

Some more oddities on spells (all EDM ones) in this game, at least for me:
- when I cast awake Cyclops, my gems are used but no Cyclop in view! :-(
- Great Kraken is not listed in the castable spells

I remind that I could not find Zmeys and Rocs in the castable spells on my mages. When I summoned the Firebird, also nothing came, but since it is unique I just thought someone else had cast it before, now I doubt.

Did anyone summon any EDM guys??? Or did anyone have similar problems? Come on I am not the only one interested by EMD summons in this game, and it would be nice to understand what is happening.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I've summoned krakens with no problems. The firebird isn't actually unique, so I'm not sure why it didn't appear.

[Numahr]

Admiral, actually I saw your kraken this turn ;)

More info on this bug: I am allowed to cast Curse of the Wendigo although I should not (I don't have the right level in thaumaturgy). When I go to "Magic", it is shown in dark gray at the right position (meaning I haven't reached it yet). And still, when I go "cast a spell", I am given the opportunity to cast it.

So I think there may be a wrong attribution of magic schools to EDM spells, for a reason I can't understand (I looked in the mod files and I don't see anything wrong). This would explain why I can cast Curse of the Wendigo, located in a school I have researched enough, but not Zmeys, located maybe in thaumaturgy. If this theory is true, zmey will unlock to me when I research the wrong school in which it is located.

Even if this is true, it does not explain why I did not get my Firebird (gosh it would have been useful against LA Ermor) and my Cyclop when I summoned them, although I got the gems spent... :mad:

[lwarmonger]

So many Krakens... it still hasn't saved your land territory!

[lwarmonger]

I think you won that one Admiral... but any more such victories will ruin you!

[llamabeast]

Numahr, it sounds like your version of the mod is different to that on the server. I think your list of castable spells comes from the server, and comes in the form of spell numbers. So the server says "you are allowed to cast spells 1079, 1321 etc", and your client looks those up and says you are allowed to cast Curse of the Wendigo etc., even if you shouldn't be allowed to. The spell numbers are easily different between different versions of the mod - if a single spell has been added then all subsequent spells have their numbers shifted.

Having said all that I have no idea how you can have a different version of the mod. The only case where more than one version of a mod exists is the result of my recent hotfix for duplicate weapons with the latest dom3 patch, and I did not add any spells with the hotfix. Still, see if you can get a copy of the mod from one of the other players or something.

The True Firebird is unique Admiral. Or at least it is certainly meant to be!

[llamabeast]

Oh, I bet you have a different version of CPCS. Not sure, but certainly worth checking.

[llamabeast]

What do you guys think of CPCS by the way? I have been meaning to play some test games with it. I like the idea of the spells but haven't really tested them much. Is it fun?

[bbz]

hmmm strange thing. The last couple of turns I've been keeping quiet hoping that it will just go away but it didn't. It all started 3 turns ago when my army didn't execute a command to move. then the next turn both my armies didnt decide to move. So I decided that if something else happens I will mention it. Apparently I staled my current turn because I submitted an old 2h file? While still not crippling I lost quite a lot of potential (land) and time while my armies have just been looking at instead of obliterating the enemy's army while it has been springing around taking territories. So if anyone could take a look at that or I don't know what but I am loosing advantages hard fought for in a blink of an eye not due to my mistake or anything so that is quite annoying. Thanks in advance.

P.s on the CPCS topic Its early to say I havent been using many of the newer spells and as we heard some of them seem to have been bugged and others seem to have bugged the other non-CPCS spells so mixed feelings. I haven't seen anything potentially overpowering in it(with the little exception of the spell that casts luck and gives AN weapons to the weaker units(but the AN weapons didnt seem to be working from what I've heard so the spell should be fine:P)) which is a good sign:)

[llamabeast]

Cool. You shouldn't rake away the message that CPCS causes bugs, cos it doesn't. However if you have a different version of any mod to the server, that will cause bugs.

[bbz]

yea probably that's it. Hmm still I read somewhere in this topic about the astral weapons not working as they should be but I am in no way able to judge if that is so or not(since I havent seen the battle). Also I was just under that impression (lately I didn't have much time to read in the forum so my comment was based on the cases where people have been complaining about it)but I guess it is as you said due to outdated mod version.

[Numahr]

OK I will enquire along the lines mentioned by Llamabeast.

Regarding CPCS: I really like the concept. It adds a lot of depth and diversity to cambat magic, especially in that early/mid-game phase that has less diversity in combat spells. In terms of implementation, I have the following comments:
- some "fire" spells should be AP instead of AN, this is too important a difference (comment already made by someone)
- there is something wrong with "anger of god" which often gets cast by the AI although it is totally irrelevant, range-wise especially.

[Numahr]

Hurrah! Thanks Llamabeast. I checked the versions of my mod, and it turned out that my CBM 1.83 was different from the one attached to the first page of this thread. Go figure out why. Anyway I replaced it and I can now summon zemys and other niceties!

I wish I had found this much earlier though. How many gems did I loose in summons that did not appear, and well, my whole strategy up to this point would have been actually implemented instead of playing with vanilla summons only...

But the main point is, that there is no bug, and every thing is solved from that point of view.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Well, with that I am finally finished. I confess that my mind hasn't been focused on Dom3 recently, but I really enjoyed the game and learned quite a bit. (Lesson #1: Enslaving your opponent's stuff is just great.) Good luck to those of you who remain.

[Numahr]

Dear comrades,

I have troubles coming on the RL front for this week. I will play the current turn in time; then I would request a delay until next Monday. Sorry for that and thanks in advance for your understanding...

Numahr

[iRFNA]

This is a bit of a conundrum. While we did agree no more delays or whatever, numahr did get pretty screwed with the summon thing (even if it was ultimately his own fault, lol)...

Has anyone been around when the turn ends to see who's staling? I'm pretty sure EA ermor is... and jomon too? Anyone else?

[lwarmonger]

But if we are going to make exceptions for him, are we going to make exceptions for me in October when I am gone for two weeks? Or for everyone else when they are gone for a week or two at a time? I'd understand if it were Christmas or even Thanksgiving... but you can't just accomodate everyone, as you wind up losing players that way.

EA Ermor is staling... as his neighbor I can tell he stopped building anything a little while ago. Jomon has at least gone to the edge, though I don't share a border with him.

[Admiral_Aorta]

He should try and find a sub or just stale.

[Numahr]

OK considering the feedback on my request, let's keep the pace, I will find the time to play my turns.

[earcaraxe]

Hi!

I would like to announce that im stopping playing this game. i have subbed in for a last-stand ermor, then switched to EA caelum to help avoid stales and let myself try them out. I was bored with that nation, and when i finally got to war with them I still havent felt the excitement to play. Since im going to a vacation again, its a good time to stop. thanks for the experience, and much fun to everyone!

[Numahr]

I have played my turn.

What is going to happen with Caelum? While I understand that our community is tired of delays, I don't really like the idea of turning Caelum AI at this point. Caelum is not a super power, but appears to be a reasonably strong nation after so many turns of undisturbed build-up - not a case that would normally qualify for AI control. Why not at least try to find a sub for a couple of days before letting Caelum stale or give it to AI?

[lwarmonger]

Perhaps a player who is currently on the edge would like to switch (Admiral, how about it? I don't think you have too much left, and you can see that you only bought a couple of turns at most given what I've got arrayed around your capital)?

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'd be willing to do that, but I'd like to fight to the end as atlantis first.

[iRFNA]

How long do you think you're gonna last as atlantis?

With the way sub threads have been going lately, I think it is unlikely I'll be able to find a sub, and more delays will probably kill this game. I'll probably have to start setting more people to AI, but I guess not caelum. Are there any other nations that have been staling?

[Admiral_Aorta]

Probably a few more turns. There's two forts that he has to capture. I could take over for Caelum now, I wouldn't give myself gems or anything like that.

[Numahr]

As far as I am concerned, I am OK with the Admiral getting wings while still having his feet wet. Both nations have different geopolitics.

[lwarmonger]

Probably a few more turns. There's two forts that he has to capture. I could take over for Caelum now, I wouldn't give myself gems or anything like that.

I am ok with this on one condition. Caelium is currently only separated from me by a single province (which given the nature of Caelium is really no separation at all). My condition is that there is no war between a Caelium under Admiral Aorta and myself until at least two turns after I finish off LA Atlantis (I really don't want war with Caelium at all, but that much time at least to reorganize my forces and make Admiral's knowledge of my dispositions from his time as LA Atlantis obsolete in the event of war).

[bbz]

the thing is though. You can this way postpone war forever potentially. I say if there are 2 provinces left you get 10 turns or something like that without being attacked. Otherwise you can just sit on top of a castle and thus remain in peace forever.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I wouldn't attack anyone until I knew exactly how stromg Caelum is,what agreements I have with my neighbors and everything else.

[Numahr]

In any case, as an immediate neighbor of Caelum, I would like a decision be made quickly so that I know how to handle my relations with that nation. For the time being, I took the decision to just ignore it, but it is not a sustainable option.

[lwarmonger]

the thing is though. You can this way postpone war forever potentially. I say if there are 2 provinces left you get 10 turns or something like that without being attacked. Otherwise you can just sit on top of a castle and thus remain in peace forever.

I'm finishing him off as fast as I can. Really, Caelium isn't in a good position to wage war on me... I just don't want to fight someone who can coordinate on two fronts and already knows what my dispositions are. I don't think that is unfair. What will be the last castle is underwater, which may drag things out a couple of turns, but I've also got a fair amount of magical items that let me go underwater, so not too many.

[bbz]

yea I agree with that if you are finishing him off asap.:)

[Admiral_Aorta]

Well I have just one fort left underwater, so if I'm going to take control of Caelum it should probably be soon.

[lwarmonger]

I'm fine with now if everyone else is, whether you set Atlantis to AI or not. I know you don't have much of anything in that one fort anyways... it is only a matter of me pushing troops underwater to deal with it.... it will take time, but not much time.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Caelum doesn't have a password set, so if there's no objection I'll take over for them.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I've also set atlantis to AI.

[iRFNA]

Speaking of setting people to AI, I'm going to set EA ermor to AI as well. Is any other nation in a permastale?

[Numahr]

So what is happening with Jomon? It should be set AI rather than left on serial staling. Then I have the feeling Ryleh staled last turn (correct me if I'm wrong), but it may be occasional.

[iRFNA]

Ok, so jomon is definitely staling too? I'll AI them as well

[lwarmonger]

You sure you don't want to take one of these staling nations? You look like you are on your last legs.

[Numahr]

3 hours left from hosting and R'lyeh is staling for the 3rd time at least, and Jomon since who knows when.

I guess Man's turn will be received soon (?) or it should enter in the nations in need of monitoring, too.

[iRFNA]

Nah, I'm around. Sadly, setting two people to AI made the game mad at me, so my turn didn't go in last time.

It didn't set jomon to AI, either. Hmm.. Can I set one person to AI and still have my turn go in?

[wonderloss]

Only one turn per CD-key will be accepted.

I can PM you my email address. If you can get it switched in the next 3 hours, I can switch one to AI for you.

[Admiral_Aorta]

21 minutes to go and R'lyeh hasn't played his turn, he's definitely staling.

[iRFNA]

ya, i might have to have wonderloss AI him

[Numahr]

I still advocate that it is worth trying to find a sub rather than setting nations AI. Especially that R'lyeh is not a dead cause.

[Admiral_Aorta]

It's probably worth a shot, but it might hold the game up further.

[iRFNA]

ya, it seems we'll lose more people if there is a delay for finding a sub

[Numahr]

So if don't look for a sub, then we should set Rl AI...

[wonderloss]

Send me a PM if you need me to set another nation AI.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Remember to take your turn, Shinuyama.

[Numahr]

Sorry guys I've missed the last turn, no big harm for anyone anyway. Just confirming I'm still here :-)

[iRFNA]

I have a solemn request for caelum

http://i.imgur.com/sH4G4.jpg

[lwarmonger]

I'm going to have to start looking for a permanent sub. I'll be going into a pretty intense training cycle this coming Monday which will see me away from internet for about 6 weeks. I already PM'd the last guy who subbed for me temporarily, no response. iRFNA, if you want MA Ulm its yours. You'd inherit a pretty decent position I think.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I have a solemn request for caelum

http://i.imgur.com/sH4G4.jpg

Will do, on it now.

[Mightypeon]

While LWarmonger did put Ulm in an incredibly good situation, I have the feeling that the Micro involved would be overwhelming for me.

Nevertheless, this is likely one of the best subbing positions ever advertised on this forums.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Caelum is looking for fire and astral gems! We can trade lots of air gems and also some water, earth, nature and death.

[lwarmonger]

Alright gents, well I am out. Nobody has come up on the net as a for sure sub. So if you can't convince mightypeon to take my nation, and if iRFNA doesn't want it I guess you'll have to set me to AI. Good game everyone.

[Numahr]

OK guys this time we cannot put Ulm on AI or this game does not make sense any more. Let us find a sub for this nation, even if it means postponing the game some time.

The whole point of our end game would be gone without a human Ulm.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yeah AI Ulm is a terrible idea and would probably kill the game better than a slight delay. I think all of us are fairly intent on staying to the end anyway, so we'll just have to find a sub.

[iRFNA]

Looks like Scaramuccia is up for it, I'll have gandalf take off the timer to get things setup real quick.

[Mightypeon]

Thats great. I could at most temp sub since I have some serious real life commitments coming up soon.

[Numahr]

Welcome on board Scaramuccia! Glad you joined us.

[iRFNA]

Ok, looks like we're ready, emailed gandalf to put the timer back up

[bbz]

So i'd like to find a sub.
Also for the new guy i'd like you to remove my current password since i dont know if there is a way of chaning it.
I am really sorry but i have to go away from dominions due to rl reasons. You have all been a great sport:) and thanks for the game

[Numahr]

So I'm the only one left of the original players... :(
(well technically IRFNA's Man is still here)

[bbz]

yea sorry about that i really need some time off games:) but hey ill inform the guy that comes into play about my strategies plans and any diplomacy i had;).

[iRFNA]

Well, you could post a description of how things are going for the sub thread. Or if you make the thread yourself, it would be much appreciated.

[Numahr]

iRFNA, please postpone hosting until a sub is found. Let's hope one is found.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm also an original player, just controlling a different nation than I started with.

[Numahr]

Correct Admiral! I had this feeling because all my neighbors changed in leadership at least one, sometimes more, except for Man that I contributed to annihilate...

Actually it happens in all my games. Sometimes you design a whole strategy around your diplomacy and this fires back on you. Once I even let an ally forge key artifacts to confirm friendship and 3 turns later leadership changes and I get a DoW nonetheless! In an other game my trustworthy ally, whose border I did not garrison while committing to a war far away, suddenly attacks me in full strength after being turned AI... So betrayal set apart, one should always expect anything from anyone...

At least the First and Last Emperor of Shinumaya remains true to His Words in this chaotic world! I think this in itself is a mark of godhood :angel

[Numahr]

OK guys I suggest we declare this game ended and concede victory to Ulm. If it starts again, I wont have much time because I have joined another game. Beside, Ulm played well, and I'd rather concede victory and make a clean conclusion, than have the game in a never-ending coma. Even though all my game was focused on defeating Ulm.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I was really looking forward to actually fighting Ulm, but we may have to concede since an AI marverni isn't really an option.