MA Mod Nation Combined Game - Testing Grounds - Finished

[Executor]

This is a new MA game, Testing Grounds, which will be using Llamas "Expanded Nations Pack". The mods add two sets of several mod nations each.


This game will be using nation pack 2.


Nation pack 2 adds nations generally themed around real-world cultures, like the base-game nations. The mod adds the following nations;

Haida Gwaii
Shangri-La, Hidden City of the Secret Masters
Al-Nadim, The Thousand and One Nights
Svarogia, Dark Forests
Arga Dis, Blood of Warriors
Pythium, The Second Empire
New Ulm, Iron Faith Reborn
Vaettiheim, Exiled Tribes
New Jomon, Broken Sword

For more info on the mod and nations check bellow.
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=379

Game mods, and links:

Game Info>

Admin: Executor

Game Name: Testing Grounds
Server: LlamaServer

Players: 12
Map: Cradle pf Dominions (fixed starts 11+1)

Settings:
Era: MA
Indies: 5
Special Sites: 50
Graphs: Disabled (use scouts)
HoF: 15
Research: Standard
Victory conditions: To the death
Mods: Expanded Nations Pack, CBM 1.6, EDM

Hosting schedule: 24 hours until requested otherwise

NAPs and other agreements are expected to be honored once accepted, not binding however.

Players:

Executor - Haida Gwaii
Don_Pablo - Shangri-La
Thanatus del Dragos - Vaettiheim
PriestyMan - Arga Dis
Huitochkan - New Ulm
NaivePhilosopher - New Jomon
attackdrone - Al-Nadim
Ragabash - R'lyeh
nrasch - Bandar Log
Trumaantor - Pythium (mod nation)
GFSnl - Svarogia
ghoul31 - Ermor

Expanded nation pack 2 dm file.

[don_Pablo]

Hi. I'd like to try Pack 1 - Itza, Servants of the Old Ones
:)

[ghoul31]

Pack 1 - Skaven

[WraithLord]

Oh man, I would have so loved to join this one, if only Amhazair had not snared me with Andalusian sun game first :re:

Have fun guys.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Vaettiheim is the only nation I would want to play, but it's late age. So boo.

[Executor]

Thank you WL.

Vaettiheim is the only nation I would want to play, but it's late age. So boo.

The game is MA in the sense of vanilla nations and in-game settings (you know, scouts, type of indies, etc.).
The 3 late age nations from pack 2 will be transferred to MA if pack 2 is voted for.

[PriestyMan]

I'd like vaettiheim, but someone might have beat me to it. i could do arga dis also.

Pack 2

Edit: although from the looks of things, we arent supposed to pick yet. so i guess ignore the above

[Executor]

Ah screw it, to complex and time consuming. Pick a nation pack, and pick a nation.

[nrasch]

Hello all.

I'd like to join if there is still room.

Sylvania, Vampire Counts

Thanks,
Nathan

[nrasch]

Just tried the map pack 1 + cbm 1.6. Seems to be having issues loading both.... Keep getting an error. Anyone else confirm?

[ghoul31]

Pack1 works with 1.83, but it doesn't work with 1.6

Why don't we just use 1.83?

[Huitochka]

Pack 2, New Ulm.

[don_Pablo]

Shangri-La, if we playing Pack 2

[Executor]

Just tried the map pack 1 + cbm 1.6. Seems to be having issues loading both.... Keep getting an error. Anyone else confirm?

Huh, I missed that somehow.
Well that kinda makes the voting pointless, we stick with pack 2 than.

Sorry ghoul31, but I'm not in favor of CBM 1.83, too many changes for me, and seeing as how the only games I can play that don't have CBM 1.83 are the once I organize we stick with CBM 1.6.

[NaivePhilosopher]

I've been playing with the nation packs for a few days, and I have to say they've been awesome. I'd like to sign up as New Jomon, please.

[attackdrone]

I'd love to sign up for this game. If we're picking, put me down for Al-Nadim please.

I have checked, and Expanded Nations Pack is compatible with CBM 1.6 + EDM. Remember, you need to enable CBM and EDM first, then enable the Expanded Nations Pack. It will crash if you enable the Nations Pack first. I believe this is noted in the readme.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Hrm. While we're waiting, and on the CBM+EDM, note, perhaps someone can help me with some mod troubleshooting.

With CBM 1.6, EDM 1.2, and Expanded Nations Pack 2 enabled, when I load up a game as Jomon I have the option to recruit a whole bunch of EDM stuff for commanders, including Rocs, Treants, etc. It's definitely tied to EDM, as they don't appear when I disable the mod. The odd thing is, though, that this doesn't occur with CBM 1.83 and the Nation Pack, which has EDM 1.2 bundled in with it. It also doesn't seem to impact anyone but New Jomon.

So, something on my end, an odd mod conflict, or something else? Thoughts, suggestions?

[llamabeast]

Just a quick note that I'm about to fix a heap of clashy things. More later tonight...

[llamabeast]

Okay, I've fixed the Expanded Nations Packs / CBM clash. It turns out that CBM 1.6 and CBM 1.83 had the same problem - it was just a case of which mod you clicked on first. If you clicked on CBM after the nation pack it would crash! Well, now it works with any CBM regardless of what order you click in.

Also the issue you saw should be gone NaivePhilosopher.

Everyone make sure to download the new packs - v1.01.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Sadly it doesn't look like pack 1.01 fixed the problem. CBM 1.6+EDM+Nation Pack is still giving me the ability to recruit EDM summons as commanders (Roc, Grendelkin, Treant, True Fire Bird, Zmey, Ember Lord, Great Kraken, Male and Female Shishis, an Awakened Asynja, a Wild Ettin, Wendigo, and a Granite Cyclops, specifically, all for 0 gold and 1 resource). I'm not getting this problem with CBM 1.83+ENP, or CBM 1.6+ENP.

Perhaps it's something on my end, but if so I'm not quite sure how to repair the problem.

[Executor]

Thank you Llama.
All, please report any more bugs if you spot them before we start. I haven't had much time to test much myself.

EDIT: NaivePhilosopher, I'll take a look at this tomorrow the first change I get, or see if Llama is willing to help with this. Maybe it's just a unit number overlap or something.
We're still at least a couple of days from starting, that should give us time to work out any bugs we might find.

[llamabeast]

NaivePhilosopher, sorry, you need to download the new version of EDM too.

It's not really a bug, it's just that the "Endgame Diversity Mod Testing Nation" and Jomon share a nation number. In the new version I released today I moved the Testing Nation number so it's less likely to clash with things.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Ah, that would explain it. Thanks for the help, it's working perfectly now.

[llamabeast]

Great. Also can you re-download the new Packs? I think you're the only one to download the version that was up earlier this evening, which turned out to have no PD set for Pythium. Best if everyone has the same version you see.

[PriestyMan]

so is thanatos actually playing as vaettiheim? he posted, but isnt in the OP

cause if he isnt, trumanator will play as Pythium second empire

[Ragabash]

Would it be very unorthodox for me to play MA R'yleh here? : ) I mean, if you're testing, some vanilla nations would be handy for comparison. Though, I'm not the greatest player...

[Executor]

Priesty, I'm kinda waiting for him to actually confirm it, but if he doesn't Vaettiheim is yours by all means.
Also, what does that have to do with Trumanator? Pythium, second empire, is still free? Should I put him down?

Thanatus del Dragos, are you taking Vaettiheim?

Also, ghoul31, are you playing?

Ragabash, of course not, vanilla nations are included too, welcome aboard.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

I will take Vaettiheim.

[nrasch]

I'll take Bandar Log if there are still positions.

[llamabeast]

By the way, ENP 2 actually has 9 nations in it - you missed the EA nation "Haida Gwaii" from your first post Executor.

[Executor]

Huh, would you look at that, they snuck by me. Well they are a stealthy nation, what did you expect? :)
All right, Haida Gwaii up for grabs too!
Thanks Llama beasty!

[PriestyMan]

what i meant about trumanator, was that if there is room for him to play pythium, he will. but i assumed you and ghoul would both pick mod nations, thus taking pythium. but if there is haida gwaii as well, then i think trumanator can play. so put him down for pythium

[Executor]

If all mods nations are picked I will take a vanilla nation.

I wondered why Trum didn't sign up here himself and than I remembered Shrapnel banned him for no reason what so ever. I should have double posted this thread on the other forum, but we're all most full now.

OK, Trumanator signed up as Pythium, the second empire.

[Ragabash]

Got some question with modding:

I'm playing a game with CBM 1.83, and the EDM and CBM 1.6 are sharing some files with the same name, so everytime, I want to switch games, I will have to rewrite the files, or is it "safe" to use the same for both?

Secondly, is there a single age mod, that incorporates these nations? Tried to use it with the one I have, so I could add all the nations in to one game, for referal and learning purposes, but the LA nations stay in LA, and the EA aren't available at all. I'm wondering how will we get them EA/LA to the MA?

[PriestyMan]

you only have to change like.... 1 number in the mod file to change its age i beleive

[Ragabash]

Well - awesome, if it's that easy. Though, I still don't know how to do it.

[PriestyMan]

yeah neither do i lol.

[GFSnl]

Hi,

I like to take svarogia.

[Executor]

Ragabash, every version of CBM should have it's own unique DM file, the only thing in common are the sprites from the worthy heroes mods that's included in CBM and EDM in 1.83, but that makes no difference.
So to answer your question, no, no need to rename or change anything, the game will load the needed, specific mods for every game you open.

If you're missing a certain mod, the game will tell you so once you try to open a game.

I'll combine all the nations to MA. It indeed should be as simple as changing a few numbers.

Welcome GFSnl

[llamabeast]

Yeah you just need to replace all instances of "#era 1" and "#era 3" with "#era 2". Copy the mod first so you still have an unchanged original.

[Executor]

If by some chance you don't know how to make the change, just extract this to the Mod folder.

[Ragabash]

Thanks, but I managed to change the file :)

And one last thing? Will we use the banners and streamers mod?

[Executor]

Okey, I think it's about time to start the game. If somebody takes the last spot before we start than great, if not we start with 11 players.

Probably best to use Cradle of Dominions for this setting, since we have a water nation.

Get started on your pretenders and I'll organize the game during the day.

And I will be taking Haida Gwaii.

[ghoul31]

I'll take ermor

[Ragabash]

And what about indies and site freq? Leaving at 5 and 50?

[Executor]

Unless you all prefer stronger indies or more sites?

I want to keep the site freq a bit higher so everyone can use their nations summons fully, but I fear going over 50ish might force everyone to take a rainbow pretender as not to lose on all the sites they'd miss.

[Ragabash]

Fine with me. I wonder, is site freq tied with map size? Playtested with 50, arcane probed like 20-25 prov. no sites were found.

[Huitochka]

Okey, I think it's about time to start the game. If somebody takes the last spot before we start than great, if not we start with 11 players.

Probably best to use Cradle of Dominions for this setting, since we have a water nation.

Get started on your pretenders and I'll organize the game during the day.

And I will be taking Haida Gwaii.

Can you please upload and/or link all the mods you're using to start a game? It will be better that way i think, for it will help avoid potentinal problems and incompatibilities.

[Executor]

CBM 1.6> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=710178

EDM 1.21> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45056

And I assume you all have the expanded nations pack already (posted above), no point in providing the link since we've changed the EA and LA nations to MA now.

Will create the game shortly.

[Executor]

Game created under "Testing_Grounds". Since I'm not sure Llamas extended nations pack would have worked ( cause of the 1 EA and 3 LA nations in the original DM file), I've uploaded our version with all of them as MA.

Just rename your ENP DM file to "Expanded_Nations_2_MA".

Send your pretenders and hopefully everything will run smoothly.
Cheers.

[nrasch]

Pretender sent to Testing_Grounds. Going to be a very fun game I think. :)

[NaivePhilosopher]

The god of poor, broken, oppressed Jomon is in. I'm looking forward to unleashing a horde of very pissed off Japanese horrors at everyone.

[GFSnl]

Pretender of Svarogia is in.

Do we have a map jet?
If not, what's a good one?

[Huitochka]

New Ulm is ready to rock.

[Ragabash]

Pretender of Svarogia is in.

Do we have a map jet?
If not, what's a good one?


Executor mentioned, we're playing Cradle of Dominions.

oh, and Cthulhu is ready to rise.

[Executor]

Yes, Cradle is the map, I think you should all have it already, that one comes with the game I think.
It has exactly 11 land and 1 water fixed start so it seemed perfect for our setting.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Just to be sure, I need to go in and change the mod files on pack 2 so each one says era 2?

[Executor]

Yes, just change #era 1 and #era 3 to #era2

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Okay, when I'm off work, I will do that and upload a pretender.

[attackdrone]

The game has started! Reminder, the mod's name will need to be changed to "Expanded_Nations_2_MA.dm" . Executor, do you have an 'official' version that you are using to share with those players who might have difficulties changing the file?

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Please, any time we are using a special mod for a single game, please create it and upload it for us. Pain in the *** not to.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Executor already uploaded a Middle Age version of the mod on page 5. You would just have to tack _MA onto the name of the .dm file

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Well, making all the changes and uploading it to the first page would have been best. Sorry, I overlooked it on page 5.

[nrasch]

Probably too late, but here is the link to download the nations pack. Was driving me crazy looking for the URL.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47230

[Huitochka]

Yeah, i spent some time searching for everything too. Well, it could be better, but at least we all made it, duh.

[NaivePhilosopher]

Hopefully we all made it. I just sent in my turn, and it said everything is fine, but I noticed this bit:

Game name: Testing_Grounds
Nation: Invalid Age! Era New Jomon
Turn number: 1

Should I be concerned about this? Anyone know?

[Executor]

That... sort of shouldn't happen I think?
Did you create your pretender after or before you changed the #era in the dm file?
I can't think of any other reason?

Well, we'll know soon enough if it matter when the turn hosts and you stale. :)

[NaivePhilosopher]

I believe after. Well...it should be after. I made a few test pretenders, though I'm pretty sure I got rid of all the one's before the MA shift. Hopefully anyway. Guess we'll find out soon >.>

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Lol. :)

[Executor]

NaivePhilosopher, did your turn go trough?

[NaivePhilosopher]

Yes, all seems well. Not sure what that was about, but everything seems to be working.

[Huitochka]

Here's the question. Why does turning your modified pack two off doesn't move mod nations out of ma? Then , why does activating both 1.84 and usual nations pack 2 gives "too many sprites" error, while just nations pack 2 works ok, and just 1.84 still gives all mod nations in ma (i think i mentioned it already but yeah)?

[Executor]

The mod DM file contains all the 9 nations, which in this case have been moved to MA for the purpose of the game. Simply turning off the mod does nothing, nor it should return the nations to their eras.
If you want them in their original setting, EA, MA or LA, you either have to use the original nation pack 2 in where some nations remain EA and LA and therefor can't be all used simultaneously (which is why we transferred them to MA all), or, download individual nations from the MC compatibility mod.
As for CBM 1.84, I'm not sure, maybe it adds some new mods that combined with the nation pack go over the total sprites limit. There are only so many mods that can be used together.

[Huitochka]

The mod DM file contains all the 9 nations, which in this case have been moved to MA for the purpose of the game. Simply turning off the mod does nothing, nor it should return the nations to their eras.

Why doesn't it - turning it off - just remove mod nations at all, then?

[Executor]

Not sure what your mean Huitochka?

[Huitochka]

Well, mod nations are mod nations, they are supposed to be there only with nations pack on, right? So when i deactivate the nations pack2, they are stil here.

[Executor]

That really shouldn't happen, the only thing that comes to mind is you reentered the Testing Grounds game, after you already disabled the mod, at which point Dominions would automatically load the nation pack 2 mod again.

[llamabeast]

To be straightforward with you Huitochka, that's a definite case of user error. If you try to create a new game without any mods enabled (or with just CB1.84 enabled) there will definitely be no mod nations available.

As Executor says though, you may have accidentally re-enabled the Expanded Nations mod by looking at a Testing Grounds game (I think opening a game sets the current mod preferences to match that game).

[Huitochka]

I guess that's a user error, but not the one you're speaking of. I've yet to find what i did wrong.

Interesting. Just turning it off doesn't help, reentering some other game with different mods does, and reentering this one doesn't show any nation packs, neither usual one nor modified one, active, while it activates it and other mods of this game (only cbm 1.6 and edm 1.2 shows as active, however). Then if i "enable" any nations pack 2, either the one which is used here or the usual one, trying to make a pretender shows error about sprites, and enabling-disabling nations pack, either any of them or both, still doesn't move all mod nations out of ma.

So for me the only way to actually disable it is to reenter some other game and the only way to correctly use 1.84 with nations pack 2 (usual one) without errors is to do that and only then activate the relevant mods.

Posting here in case someone else has will have this problem... or if you have any idea what it is so.

[llamabeast]

Maybe your custom mod doesn't have a banner? Mods can be enabled without a banner showing, but still if you go through the list of mods (in "Mod Preferences") I can pretty much guarantee that it's set to "Enabled" if you have mod nations showing.

[Huitochka]

That's how mod preferences look after i load testing_grounds: http://rghost.ru/5163761/image.png

[llamabeast]

Hmm, okay, I am obviously at least partially wrong.

Maybe it doesn't update the display properly. What happens if you enable and then disable both of the "Expanded Nations Pack 2"s?

[Huitochka]

As i already said in previous post, nothing changes. I still have mod nations there, all in ma.

[llamabeast]

Well - if indeed it is a bug, as it sounds like, then it's a bug in dom3 rather than any particular mod. Strange that noone hsa reported this kind of issue before, as it sounds quite irritating.

[PriestyMan]

12h reminders plox

[Executor]

Reminder emails changed to 12h.

[GFSnl]

***Special Message***

In her studies of the barbaric ways of the southern tribes Prof. Anna Sasin shot some rare footage of what seems to be some sort of archaic mating ritual.
She reported that especially the undead seemed to get pounded in the *ss. Well judge for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5qiKIzH3RI

***-***

[ghoul31]

***Special Message***

In her studies of the barbaric ways of the southern tribes Prof. Anna Sasin shot some rare footage of what seems to be some sort of archaic mating ritual.
She reported that especially the undead seemed to get pounded in the *ss. Well judge for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5qiKIzH3RI

***-***

F*ck off

Another ahole added to my ignore list

[PriestyMan]

i dont even know what was rude about that..... i mean he called you barbaric i guess..... oh noes?

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Rubbing his nose in it like that was kinda douche-like, and or wanker-ish.

But a bit over-reacted too.

[PriestyMan]

whats funny though, is he isnt even one of the nations in that battle. just observing. besides, ghoul needs to learn to not rush someone in every single game. its so tragically predictable.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Huh...then I don't get it.

[Executor]

I started clicking "n" to fast forward the battle...

Jokes aside, while this is not an anonymous game it would be much appreciated not to broadcast actual battles in a on going game, that's not good sportsmanship as it goes along the lines of giving away close national details such as army strength, researched spells, etc.
Aside from that do as you like in the boundaries of normal-ish behavior.

[GFSnl]

Didn't mean to offend people.

Although I really think I'm allowed to broadcast what propaganda I want. For I got the information in a fair way. And you can always pay me not to. :)

But if there are objections I wont. Let me know.

[Executor]

I haven't really laid down any ground rules here so I'm not prohibiting it or anything, of course you are free to mislead others or broadcast your propaganda any way you like but it would be appreciated (at least from my side) not to give away vital national information in the game thread as you do so, broadcast propaganda I mean.
Making conspiracy is of course a whole other area with which I'm fine as this is a diplo game after all.

An example would be me leaking in the thread all info about your PD, your SC placement on the entire map including their gear, stats, battle scripts and such. I wouldn't welcome such behavior.

Not saying that you are acting in such a manner of course (all you seem to be doing is having a laugh which is okay) but for future references.

[ghoul31]

, ghoul needs to learn to not rush someone in every single game. its so tragically predictable.

I don't rush people in every game. I hardly ever rush someone. Your talking nonsense, as usual

[PriestyMan]

, ghoul needs to learn to not rush someone in every single game. its so tragically predictable.

I don't rush people in every game. I hardly ever rush someone. Your talking nonsense, as usual

The classic "pulling a ghoul" move is the awesome strategy i saw in that video. box select all your H3's and tell them to smite, then stop researching and try and dump on a neighbor. it works so well i hear.

Since you called me a liar, i will put a tiny bit of effort into proving my claim.

First of all, we have Cripple Fight 3. pretty sure that was research Evo 5 then never research again? anyways, definite rush there.

Second, take a look at Tophats. you sent every mage you had at Nehekara early and it failed sadly, but it was certainly classic.

Thirdly, and currently, Petty Kingdoms which squirrelloid says isn't going so well.

want more examples? how about Lateral? either me or my brother were in almost all of these, so i have turn files to prove them.

The other classic Ghoul move is the whining about someone winning the game, which i fully expect here. (and trust me, i have examples of that too)

Dont call me a liar. i can back up my claims

[ghoul31]

, ghoul needs to learn to not rush someone in every single game. its so tragically predictable.

I don't rush people in every game. I hardly ever rush someone. Your talking nonsense, as usual

The classic "pulling a ghoul" move is the awesome strategy i saw in that video. box select all your H3's and tell them to smite, then stop researching and try and dump on a neighbor. it works so well i hear.

Since you called me a liar, i will put a tiny bit of effort into proving my claim.

First of all, we have Cripple Fight 3. pretty sure that was research Evo 5 then never research again? anyways, definite rush there.

Second, take a look at Tophats. you sent every mage you had at Nehekara early and it failed sadly, but it was certainly classic.

Thirdly, and currently, Petty Kingdoms which squirrelloid says isn't going so well.

want more examples? how about Lateral? either me or my brother were in almost all of these, so i have turn files to prove them.

The other classic Ghoul move is the whining about someone winning the game, which i fully expect here. (and trust me, i have examples of that too)

Dont call me a liar. i can back up my claims

I'm beating squirreloid in Petty kingdoms, so I proved you are a liar. And in games like cripple fight & tophats, I was being attacked, so I had no choice to use my mages to fight. So again I prove you to be a liar.
I don't why you call yourself Preistly Man, you are just the opposite of a priest.You should call youself devilman, or aholeman.
Whatever, you are on ignore also

[attackdrone]

I don't why you call yourself Preistly Man, you are just the opposite of a priest.You should call youself devilman, or aholeman.
Whatever, you are on ignore also

I usually avoid online forum arguments, but I must declare myself as an ardent supporter of the name "aholeman".

[Executor]

That's quite enough guys, keep it civil.

[Thanatus del Dragos]

Yea, I am getting in game trash talk, meant for Ghoul, sent to me by accident. It's silly guys. Grow up, just a game.

[Ragabash]

Funny :)

[attackdrone]

I am going to request a move to 36 hour turns if possible. I've been having sporadic house guests which make 24 hour turns difficult on the weekends.

[Executor]

Hosting interval changed to 36 hours.

[Executor]

Hello everyone, I've set the clock to a 60h a turn interval. I'm having some RL stuff I need to deal with and probably won't have internet access so I might need an extra day or two.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

[GFSnl]

Svarogia looking for pearls.

I have Air, Earth, Death, Blood and a little Water and Nature.

PM me.

[PriestyMan]

COuld we get an extension for pythium? Truman has been out doing ROTC stuff (i think he killed Bin Ladin) so he's not been around to do turns. Hopefully once he's done learning how to be a army guy he can get back to DOm

[Ragabash]

Gullible human trade unions, our kind wants to add a name, understandable for your kind. A name, that you should know well, if you're searching for the right kind of wares.

You can call us "Hammerspammers"

Sincerely,
The Stargazers

[attackdrone]

Hopefully whatever RL things the admin has will be solved soon, as this is turning out to be a fairly interesting game. Do you have any update on that, Executor?

[PriestyMan]

exec is staling out in all his games, but is adding time for himself in this one. i dont know why he hasnt bothered to post anything since he can clearly get online to extend the turns. maybe he has someone doing it for him.

[GFSnl]

If Executor isn't coming back, we should at least put him on A.I..

He was admin. has anybody else the password?

[don_Pablo]

Llama should know

[PriestyMan]

OK, exec might not be coming back. he has put several extensions on this game, so i dont know what his plan is. I will send llama a pm

[PriestyMan]

I have the admin pass. I will extend the turn and look for a sub

[Psycho]

Let me know I if should shorten the hosting interval

[Psycho]

I am gone Friday through Tuesday. I might manage to do one turn during that time, but expect delays.

[PriestyMan]

posponing for trumanator. not sure if pyscho needed it too

[Psycho]

FL, would you care sharing in which paths are your lands searched. :)

[Ragabash]

Greetings,

Is it possible to take a break? I'll be away for a week (June 15 - June 21), and won't be able to take turns.

Should I write it to the fellow, who replaces Executor via in-game message, or do we have the admin here?

[nrasch]

I'm happy to wait while he is gone on break.

[PriestyMan]

is there any chance of you finding a temp sub? come on irc maybe today and ask around. Anyways, if others are ok with it, i can add the delay

[Ragabash]

I have a friend, how to redirect all the e-mails to him?

[Psycho]

PM me with the friend's email address and your nation

[Psycho]

Sorry everybody, first llamaserver broke and then I was away for a week.

[attackdrone]

We've started back up, but there have been a few stales (Pythium, R'lyeh, and Haida Gwaii).

Is anyone having trouble with the new patch and mods? Llamabeast emailed out links to updated versions of the mods which were incompatible (CBM).

[Executor]

Hello everyone, sorry I vanished as I did a while back, it rather was unexpected.

Leave it to a government firm to make a 5 minute job into a two months torture, and than finally after pulling strings (cause you can't get a straight answer) be told that the job won't be done due to technical difficulties which they actually caused, and illegally as it seems too...

Anyway, I did give Psycho the admin code to the game as a precaution so I hope there wasn't much trouble on my behalf.

Psycho gave Haida Gwaii back to me now, however I'll add a 24h delay on the current turn for me as it hosts at around 12h roughly, hope that's ok.

[PriestyMan]

glad to see you back exec.

[PriestyMan]

I knew that executioner was a hero! :P

[attackdrone]

I'll be gone for the rest of July on summer vacation. I've posted a thread asking for a temporary sub (I'd ask Executor to run my turns as the admin, but he is my neighbor!). If I can't find a sub I'll post with more information - in the worst case scenario a few stales would not bother me overmuch, unless mysterious wankers take my vacation notice as an invasion sign (but the people in this game are a decent bunch).

[Executor]

Nice battle, although not sure why you used the forbidden light there Priesty?

I've been meaning to look for a Rlyeh sub but haven't had much time for that the last few days.
Attackdrone, I can try to recruit someone to sub for you as well while I'm hunting for a Rlyeh sub if you'd like?
In the worst case scenario it would probably be better to delay the game so you don't stale, as those are extremely hurtful at this point.

[attackdrone]

If you know of someone to sub for a few turns that'd be great. Thank you for the offer.

[Executor]

It seems Al Nadims current turn is in so I won't delay the game, I've also found someone to put Rlyeh AI as I've been unable to find a sub, the nation was password protected but luckily the master password worked.

[Executor]

I've delayed the game 148 hours. Hopefully that should give enough time to that slacking sultan of Al Nadim to get back to running his empire.

[Executor]

Bloody perfect, so are you guys up for a roll back or do we soldier on ignore the stale?

If we do rollback remember you must delete your previous turn file, download the last turn again and play the turn all over again. Using the old turn file or not deleting it will cause the game to crash again.

[llamabeast]

Just to confirm it was a genuine crash:

Något gick fel!
killslaves: bad cnr
Något gick fel!
killslaves: bad cnr

No idea what this means or how to avoid it.

[PriestyMan]

No one is allowed to use slaves in the game anymore! :P

[attackdrone]

Did everyone get a stale? I know I turned in my turn (the save game shows a stale but the llamaserver data says we all turned in our turns).

[NaivePhilosopher]

Bloody perfect, so are you guys up for a roll back or do we soldier on ignore the stale?

If we do rollback remember you must delete your previous turn file, download the last turn again and play the turn all over again. Using the old turn file or not deleting it will cause the game to crash again.

Last turn was somewhat critical for me, so I'd vote to roll it back. However, if we're not even sure whether or not it can be avoided, well...it might not be worth it. I'll go with whatever the consensus is.

No one is allowed to use slaves in the game anymore! :P

The people of New Jomon assure you that their blood slaves, while useful, haven't done anything cataclysmic. Hopefully. :p

[Executor]

Yes everyone got a stale turn.

Well, there's no promise the next turn won't crash too I guess, might be a mod game thing. I don't think rehosting can do more damage, Llamaserer saves turns so I presume they can be reused or... something. Llama should know.

NaivePhilosopher votes for roll back, and seeing how I have 4 stales already I wouldn't mind a rollback myself. And in this case no one can take advantage with the roll back as all of us staled, so no dilemma on that part.

So, attackdrone, GFSL, do you feel like rolling back or do we continue?

[attackdrone]

A rollback is fine by me.

[Executor]

Okay than, 3 for rollback. I've emailed GFSL, if he doesn't answer soon I'll just go ahead and roll back.

[GFSnl]

I don't have any gripes with a rollback.

[Executor]

Game rolled back.

Make sure to delete your old turn files before you download the turn again.

[don_Pablo]

Delay please hosting for 24h
Thanks

[GFSnl]

The game seems stuck on Llama server.

All my other games are fine.

[llamabeast]

Is it better now?

[Executor]

Yes, it's hosting now.
It wasn't just this game, there ware a few others as well, they didn't seem to host until all turns were in for some reason.
Every time instead of hosting Llamaserver seemed to delay the game again, but it's all good now, or not depending on if you were the one not sending the turn in. :)

[llamabeast]

Yeah, it was all very odd. It waited to be odd until I was on holiday as always. When I got back I couldn't log in to it so I just rebooted and it *seems* to be fine. Mysterious.

[Executor]

Yo, Al Nadim, Jomon? You here folks?

[NaivePhilosopher]

Jomon remains in the game, sorry about that. I've been a bit busy but should be able to get turns in on time.

However, I live over in New England, and we have a hurricane rolling in very shortly, so power or internet access might end up compromised. Just as a heads up.

[Executor]

Thanks for letting me know you're still here NaivePhilosopher.

Seems we were not so lucky with attackdorne, I'll keep delaying the game a little longer, hopefully he'll come back. If he doesn't show up I'll try to find a sub.

[attackdrone]

I've been having some issues with my internet connection, looks like I got a stale out of it. Rats. I should be good with the delay for this current turn, however.

[Executor]

Good to have you back, I was worried for a bit. If you need more time I will gladly postpone the game more, just let me know, in any case I will be watching the clock for you.

[Executor]

Sorry guys, I need a little extra time for this turn, bit busy atm. I've delayed the game 24 hours.

Cheers.

[Executor]

24 hours added on my behalf. Birthday and all...

[Executor]

Well, this should be interesting.
Fighting my own nation in the game finale. :)

[llamabeast]

Has it been fun, this game? I always like hearing about mod nation games. Does anyone have any feedback for the authors of particular nations?

[Executor]

Very! At least for me. I should have plenty of feedback on Haida Gwaii, went trough some of them with Valerius in the mod thread here on Shrapnel a while back.

Also, some changes are in order with Svarogia. Certain things will get nerfed and others improved but I'll wait till the game is finished and some potential feedback from GSFnl before updating it.

[GFSnl]

Well, this should be interesting.
Fighting my own nation in the game finale. :)

Yeah, it's a fun nation.
Be prepared to be run over by undead :).
Though it a shame you got to forge the Chalice this turn :mad:.

[Executor]

Well I think it's only fitting I should get to forge it seeming as how I killed the previous owner. :)

[Executor]

Huh, for some reason I though the game hosted tonight, which I found weird, so I postponed it.

Anyway, don Pablo, do you have any idea how that Adept of the Iron Order got 800 kills in that battle? I watched it a few times and he only casts paralyze. Figure it's a replay bug probably.

[Executor]

24 hour delay granted for don Pablo.

[Executor]

We might have to do something about Al Nadim. He staled the last turn and he doesn't seem to be here.
If he doesn't turn up soon I'll try to find a sub.

[GFSnl]

I don't like to give information in a non graph game. But he is almost finished. I think that's the reason he's not motivated any more.

[Executor]

Yes, I know. It may be best to just put him to AI even.

[Valerius]

Hi. I will be taking on the doomed cause of Al-Nadim. There's enough left that I think it's worth playing a few more turns. I can't promise that I'll spend huge amounts of time working on turns but it will definitely be better than setting the nation AI.

[Valerius]

Executor, can you also delay hosting by 12 hours? Thanks.

[Executor]

Thanks again for stepping in Valerius, any amount of effort is much better than an AI controlled nation.

Postponed by 12 hours. Let me know if you need more time, I'll probably be keeping an eye for you regardless.

[GFSnl]

I'm not sure what to think of the recent developments in this game.

I understand that when someone goes awol in a game and is set to A.I. this will give massive advantage for the one(s) playing against him/her.

But what transpired here is the exact opposite of the spectrum.

Not only is a player against whom I was easily winning replaced by a veteran but also my two enemies go from no cooperation to pre-planned battle tactics.
And on top of that, Shangri-La is set to A.I..

Valerius, I think it's wonderful you could sub for one of the players that has left. Against the previous player I would have stand a good chance to win, gain equality with Hadai and remain winning chances, but I can never win against you both and might as well resign and congratulate Executor with his win.

[Executor]

Valerius offered to set Al Nadim AI, he also offered to maybe play out some turns depending on the situation, naturally I took him up on his offer.

Also, I am not cooperating with Valerius in any way. We have not exchanged any words regarding this game expect the transferring of the nation to him.

Shangri La has in fact gone AI this turn, but as you can see all his forts are conquered and almost all forces killed. In fact he has a single province left with only several stranded mages and a lone Grendelkin. He couldn't do any more harm either way. He was effectively killed a few turns back when he lost his capital.

I enjoy winning (or losing) my games solely on my skill. I scarcely do diplomacy and I never plan or set in motion joint attacks, also, I would not like to win any game on some technicality since that would take away the pleasure of winning from me so, please, GFSnl, if you feel cheated here for some reason or wronged in any way, I'd be happy to hear any and all your suggestions. I would even kindly ask Valerius to turn Al Nadim AI even.

[GFSnl]

No,

the only one at fault here is Attack Drone who ruined a fine game by upsetting the balance one way or the other.

I'm just a little disappointed that I kept warning Attack Drone you were strongest and had to be attack but instead he attacked me. Then when I'm beating him he cowers away to be replaced with a much stronger player. (who doesn't read it's mail to often :p). Otherwise he would have seen the peace offer.

Anyway, It's clear you have far more resources. Probably more money than you can spend with Nature's Bounty up for so long. And it's 2 against one.
My offer for resignation stands and it will be a deserved win for you.

[Valerius]

GFSnl, I think those are fair points. When I offered to make a last stand rather than just set AI I thought I'd have a few provinces to work with and I'd just script some final battles, but that turned out not to be the case.

Looking at the turn, it does seem like Executor and I are working together - but I've actually had no contact with him and I'm basically just fighting whoever attacks Al-Nadim. If I were playing this to win (rather than with a last stand mentality) I might well decide that Haida Gwaii was too strong and be open to a deal with Svarogia (graphs off and basically no scout network make it hard to judge strength unless I burn all my S gems on astral windows). However, that means I'd have to deal with late game micro on a big map and I'm afraid that's too much for me.

It is of course up to you two to decide, but I will say that this is a big map and you've both put in a lot of work to be the finalists so it seems appropriate to end it with a good fight between the two of you. Perhaps it would be best if I should just set Al-Nadim AI as was originally requested.

[Valerius]

Then when I'm beating him he cowers away to be replaced with a much stronger player. (who doesn't read it's mail to often :p). Otherwise he would have seen the peace offer.

Sorry about that! I'm particularly bad about checking PMs over the weekend. :p I almost staled this turn and didn't even wait a few minutes until the game hosted to view the turn.

Anyway, It's clear you have far more resources. Probably more money than you can spend with Nature's Bounty up for so long. And it's 2 against one.
My offer for resignation stands and it will be a deserved win for you.

I feel bad about the way this has turned out. If I were playing to win I would make a deal with Svarogia against Haida Gwaii but I just can't deal with the kind of turns that would involve... So if I stay in the game I will work out a deal with GFSnl and then just sit in fortress Al-Nadim and let you two fight it out, only attacking one of you if you attack me.

Or I'm happy to set Al-Nadim AI or just stale if you think that would be better. But I really do think you two were heading towards a good final confrontation and wouldn't want to see it ruined.

[GFSnl]

Have to make excuses for my ad hoc accusations of cooperation. It looks like you both attacked the provinces with pin point precisions but on closer inspection Haida just attacked the coastal provinces with it's flying/sailing and just by chance didn't intersect with Al-Nadim.

Anyway, I can never dent Haida unless Al-Nadim would also go on the offense against him and even then it's not clear we'd had a chance.

I can live with the result of Executor winning and I'll write him a nice review on the peculiars of Svarogia.

I'm not finished with Dom 3 yet and I'll probably have ample chance to get my revenge :).

[Executor]

It is a shame attackdrone left, I completely agree with you GFSnl, he upset the end game quite a bit. I was quite looking forward to playing out this end game. I planned to make that northern province of your my stronghold in your territory and launch further attacks from there. Forted it with a wizards tower and started gateway-ing troops in while I simultaneously attacked all those coastal provinces and pushed with two big armies over the ports north and south.

Yes, I did just attacked every province I could reach with sailing and with those flying mages.

Attacking you instead of me wasn't a particularly good choice for Al Nadim. I jumped at the opportunity to cast GONB at that point. Even then I though you'd join up against me but instead I got some 15 turns under GONB which just gets better the longer you have it naturally, since you'll just keep increasing your dominion. So I did, I forted and templed every province I could and kept recruiting Kachynas to spam summon those immortal thunderbirds (which are crap but still immortal in a powerful dominion :) )

At this point I think I have somewhere around 60 forts and an gold income of about 18 000. My gem income is up to 280-290 I think and I hold 4 globals and have most of the uniques, which includes the chalice as of recently fortunately, which opened a pretty damn good tart factory (tho they're not nearly as good as one might think with EDM)

This was a very good game for me, shame it's ending so abruptly.

[GFSnl]

Yeah,

it was a really good game. I enjoyed it very much.
I really like Svarogia and will try to give some feedback on the things I used.

- The Osenja is great. She is especially good in the beginning when no one has researched anti magic. I used her for expansion and to crush my first adversary without a sweat. I took magic 3 scale specifically for her. It lowers magic resistance when someone tries to invade my dominion and she becomes the most cost effective researcher. She needs to be nerfed however. I didn't really use her for stealth communions with the Navi and the White Vila though as you probably intended.
- Troops. I thought the best troop was the Svarogian rider. fast and cheap. With the enslave mind from the Osenja that was enough for the early game. Had I encountered heavily armored guys with not a lot of ranged I would have bought some Haiduk Beserkers but with the adversaries I encountered they died to much. I didn't take a nice bless so I can't comment on the Ancestral warriors.
- I didn't use a lot of summons. They didn't seem worth it, or I must have missed some uses for them except for one. The Ala. Like I said on the threat at Dom3Mods she is great. A portable staff of storm on a great chassis.
- The Moria and other stealth units are not worth their price I think. I did have a lot of problems finding good scouts and the one you get to recruit as a nation sucks with only stealth 5. Even then the Moria with stealth 0 would only be worth it if she would actually disease enemy units in a province and not only kill population.
- The Vampir is a very nice bloodhunter. immortal and auto summons nice undead units. It should have been my spamming goal from the start. You want dozens of them. Would I play again with Svarogia I would go for them with an endgame goal of Utterdark.
- The Navi has something. But I'm not sure how to use them effective. I'm really interested in how you viewed their roll when you created them.

That's all that's coming to my mind now. I probably have more comments when certain subject are brought up.

[Executor]

I figured as much she was the reason you took magic 3 scale, very good choice it seems. She will definitely be nerfed however, turned out to be too strong a unit. I will probably lower the range of her enslave mind to 10, that way she can still be used for enslaving and assassinations but it will be a risk to do so in any open battle where she would just run in front of the troops to enslave the enemy.
The Haiduk Berserker will probably get some sort of bonus.

The Vampir is intended to be a two sided unit, each of which has a specific role. The Vampir is naturally supposed to domsummon chaff while the werewolf (which of course doesn't have the domsummon ability) is supposed to be very good at bloodhunting, blood magic generally and also even be used as a light raider due to his stealth.

Regarding Navi, I figured they could be used to support armies as mini thugs.
Some sort of reverse communion would be perfect for them as they could get mistform, blood vengance, luck and body ethereal rather easy.

Anyway, this was my last turn, including my battle orders, in case anyone was interested in seeing what I was doing.