spell effects on pretenders?

[brxbrx]

Are pretenders fair game excluding enslave effects?

I think my pretender got hit by either lure of the deep or fires from afar. eh dieds.

It just seemed like my lord of the sky would perform better than that...
Anyways, are there more things pretenders are immune too?

ty

[Edi]

The only things they are categorically immune to are charm/seduce/enslave type effects. Everything else works on them, as long as it's not blocked by the specific resistances and immunities of the pretender chassis, of course.

[brxbrx]

tangent: using flames from the sky on abysians would be pointless, right?

[Kobal2]

Yup.

[llamabeast]

Pretenders are "immune" to Transformation, too.

[brxbrx]

are the mindless and the undead immune to lure of the deep?

[Bananadine]

Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

[tratorix]

Not really the same thing, but are pretenders immune to fear or awe? Doesn't really seem worth making a new thread over, but i'm curious.

[Bananadine]

They generally have 30 morale, so it's hard to tell... 30 is too high for awe to make much difference, isn't it? And it's also a "special" value, similar to 50, that doesn't drop when the unit is near frightening enemy units. Something with 25 morale may drop to 21 morale if it's being attacked by a giant enemy necromancer wearing a horror helmet, but something with 30 morale will stay at 30 morale. Still, fear may cause extra morale checks to occur, even on something with 30 morale...? I don't entirely know how that works.

[JonBrave]

Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

But not, I think, when I have put "Shroud of Bless" on them...

[Bananadine]

No, that's specifically what I was talking about. I tested it--the shroud doesn't seem to provide the effects of blessing.

[Kobal2]

Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

Which makes sense conceptually since blessing is the Pretender temporarily transferring a fraction of his power to the blessee. But when he's in a fight, the Pretender is already using his own full power and there's no way for him to do a godly loop of infinite power, that'd just be spaghetti godding. Down that recursive road madness lies.

IOW, real gods already play on 10. They just can't turn it to 11 to give themselves that extra push over the cliff.

(yes, I just mixed and matched Manowar and Spinal Tap references. Whatchagonna do about it, son ?)

[brxbrx]

are the mindless and the undead immune to lure of the deep?
plox 2 answer, ty
Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

Which makes sense conceptually since blessing is the Pretender temporarily transferring a fraction of his power to the blessee. But when he's in a fight, the Pretender is already using his own full power and there's no way for him to do a godly loop of infinite power, that'd just be spaghetti godding. Down that recursive road madness lies.

IOW, real gods already play on 10. They just can't turn it to 11 to give themselves that extra push over the cliff.

(yes, I just mixed and matched Manowar and Spinal Tap references. Whatchagonna do about it, son ?)

Well, since a pretender's power is often faith based, couldn't he rely on a prayer from a string-willed priest to give him a little boost?
Or wouldn't he already have access to his power anyways (wouldn't a nature god, even if it was just a manticore, have the regeneration ability?)

[Kobal2]

Well, since a pretender's power is often faith based, couldn't he rely on a prayer from a string-willed priest to give him a little boost?
Or wouldn't he already have access to his power anyways (wouldn't a nature god, even if it was just a manticore, have the regeneration ability?)

But that's just it. He's already the condensed, manifested form of the coalesced belief of each and every last follower of his. That necessarily includes your strong-willed priest. Their prayers are the only reason he's there in the first place (this BTW is made explicit by Machaka's Fetish chassis, which outright states it's just a statue which got infused and animated by the beliefs of worshippers and now acts as they think it should act - but that's true of all the Pretenders. That's why they die without Dominion. Belief comes first, then comes the god, not the other way around (even though after he's come he has a feedback effect)).

As for why gods don't carry their own bless effects: balance I guess, but you can handwave it away by accepting that all that godly power focused on itself doesn't necessarily have the same effect and properties it has when applied to actual living (or unliving, as the case may be) beings.

[Bananadine]

Many of the special effects of blessing can very easily be applied by the god via spells, also. Any nature god that grants regeneration via blessing can very easily cast Personal Regeneration, given a small amount of research.

[Bananadine]

Their prayers are the only reason he's there in the first place (this BTW is made explicit by Machaka's Fetish chassis, which outright states it's just a statue which got infused and animated by the beliefs of worshippers and now acts as they think it should act - but that's true of all the Pretenders. That's why they die without Dominion.

Well I don't think every god is quite like the fetish god--the fetish is mindless, for one thing. And clearly the various mages and ancient creatures that "had nothing left to pursue but godhood" or whatever were functioning people/beasts before anybody began to worship them.

[brxbrx]

Many of the special effects of blessing can very easily be applied by the god via spells, also. Any nature god that grants regeneration via blessing can very easily cast Personal Regeneration, given a small amount of research.

quite true, thank you