"Relaxed Pace" Late Age Game

[wonderloss]

I came up with this idea simply because I want to play LA R'yleh, but I do not have time to commit full time to a game. However, I can handle a game with a reduced time commitment.

Host: llamaserver

Duration: I propose something like 24 hours for first 10 turns, 72 hours until turn 30, 1 turn per week after that.

I would like to limit the game to 6 players, with a map of only 10-12 provinces per player.

I have not worked out all of the settings, but I am considering easy research, stronger indies (9?), somewhat increased gem frequency. I am definitely open to suggestions.

Essentially, to accommodate the longer time for turns, I would like to speed things up to keep the game from dragging out.

CBM 1.6 since, if I understand correctly, it balances things a little better for a blitz-type game. Fixed version available here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11206&d=1309381457).

Diplomacy - not enforced. Be as honest or as dishonest as you want with regards to NAPs or similar agreements. Trade agreements are inviolable, however.

Post if you are interested.

Nations are first come, first served. I am taking R'yleh.

Make any suggestions for settings that you think would make this work better.
Nations
wonderloss - R'yleh
Kamamura - Jomon
Louist - Arco
Olm - Man
Admiral_Aorta - Mictlan
tratorix - Ulm

[Kamamura]

I am interested, I am taking Jomon.

[Louist]

I'm interested, as either Arco for vanilla, or Caelum for CBM.

[Olm]

I am a total noob for MP, but if you want me I would try Man.

[wonderloss]

Though not explicitly a newbie game, newbies are definitely welcome. I believe myself, Kamamura, and Louis are all on the green side.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm about dead in another game, so I'll hop in here as Mictlan. Any thoughts on which map to use?

[tratorix]

I'll join as Ulm.

[wonderloss]

Alright. Looks like we are full.
I have not looked at maps yet. Feel free to make recommendations, otherwise I will look around when I get time today. Keep it small, and it needs water.

[wonderloss]

Ossya, on llamaserver's map and mod browser, looks like it might be a good choice. It is the right size, and the sea is not right in the middle of everything. There are not a whole lot of maps of the appropriate size, so the other option would probably be to try to get a random map that looks good.

[tratorix]

Map looks good, though it will force you to compete on land fairly quickly. But if you're ok with it it should be fine. I'd recommend setting indies around 7, 9 seems a bit too high.

[Louist]

Ossya looks fine to me.

[Admiral_Aorta]

That map looks fine, though it might be a good idea to go through it and check the start positions are all fair.

[wonderloss]

Indies 7 sounds good.

That is a good point about checking for fair starts. Of course, fixed starts means you can figure out where all the capitals are, even if you do not know who is located at which one.

I think I will play with the map generator this weekend and see if I can come up with something.

I have some vacation plans coming up. I am taking two days next week,July 5 and 6, but I think I can work around those since it does not take long to take a turn this early. I also have a few days the following week. I will have to see what happens then.

[Olm]

As the noob I'll follow you in whatever you propose. Just tell me what I need to do.

[wonderloss]

Here is a proposed random map. Let me know if there are any objections.

[Louist]

Looks alright, though that northern chokepoint is a bit daunting. If no one else objects, though, I'm all for it.

[tratorix]

I like chokepoints, makes deciding where to begin my invasion much simpler. :tough:

Looks good to me.

[Admiral_Aorta]

That looks ok, though it's not as nice looking as the other one.

[wonderloss]

You cannot get the same pretty graphics with the random generator that you can get by doing them by hand.

[wonderloss]

Game is up here (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=LazyDays). Let's get those pretenders in.

[wonderloss]

Here are the settings:
Map: Lazy Days
Mods: Conceptual Balance 1.6 Complete
Late Age
Independent strength 7
Score graphs off
Hall of fame size 15
Magic site frequency 40
Renaming on
All other settings on default

Make sure you have CBM 1.6 enabled before making your pretender, and make sure you have llamas' post-patch update.

[Louist]

Anyone mind if I play Arco? I think I may actually hate Caelum.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I don't mind you playing arco, though I got elephant rushed in my last game. I've sent Mictlan's pretender in.

[Louist]

To be fair, both nations have elephants :)

[Olm]

What is the "post-patch update"?
I couldn't find anything about it.

[wonderloss]

It refers to the post-patch update of CBM and other mods. The link is found in the original post. Mods were messed up by the patch, and llama made a script to fix them. If you downloaded CBM from that link, you are fine.

[Olm]

O.K.
Now my pretender is up and waiting.....

[tratorix]

My pretenders in, just waiting on Jomon now.

[wonderloss]

Waiting for Jomon.

[Olm]

I sent a PM to Kamamura yesterday.
How long do we wait?

[tratorix]

Well, llamaserver seems to be frozen up atm so he could have sent it and its just not showing up.

[Olm]

How do you know?
To me it reports
Last updated at 19:05 GMT on Wednesday July 6th
Current time: 19:06 GMT

[tratorix]

Well, it was when I posted that. :p I guess it's wonderloss' decision on how long we wait.

[wonderloss]

He is in another game with me, and is pretty reliable, so I am not sure what is up here. If he does not respond by this evening, I will figure something out.

[wonderloss]

We exchanged PMs, he will have it in soon.

[Kamamura]

Hello, I am sorry for the delay, I am playing another game and completely forgot to watch this. I am submitting my pretender tomorrow at the latest, probably, today (CET time zone).

[Kamamura]

Why are we playing with CBM1.6 when CBM1.84 is the latest version?

[Kamamura]

Okay, my pretender is in.

[wonderloss]

Originally, I thought CBM 1.6 was the last one with non-unique gem generators. I later realized I was mistaken, that 1.5 was the last one, but I stuck with 1.6.

[wonderloss]

A scene, similar to this one, occurs in the capital of all land nations. In a public square, there is an old man, with wild, disheveled hair and eyes that stare off in the distance. He smells of the sea. His body in constant motion, twitching and jerking. He raises his arms and calls out in a loud voice.
"It is time! The half-moon is in the bowl. Look behind you. The cows are not what they seem. They come from the corners. Don't let them see you! Don't let them see you!"
He becomes more frantic, and his words turn to gibberish. From the cord he wears as a belt, he draws a knife and raises is it above his head. He brings it down with a quick move, then falls to the ground, silent. A crimson puddle spreads from below his neck. A lone sea gull perches on his head, plucks out one eye, then flies off in the direction of the sea.

[Olm]

The people of Man are greatly disturbed by the ill omen perceived just in front of the gates to the Towers of Chelms. They turn to the magisters for consolation and guidance. But the gates remain shut, the Magisters of the Towers stay silent.
In these hours of great fear the people remember their old ways and send a delegation to the ancient and once sacred Woods of Avalon. Lead by Arthur, the captain of the Castellans of the Towers, the group enters the great heritage of the old faith to seek in the past for answers to the questions of today.

[Kamamura]

Spring blossom trampled
into the dust of the road
seven years of war

[Olm]

Arthur has changed. as he returns from the sacred Forest. He was a well respected, even admired commander before. But now he literally radiates devine power and authority. He is as much as worshipped by his fellow comrades. Then he approaches the crowdbefore the towers:
"Fear not! A new age has dawned. And it will be an age of hardship and great strife. But it will also be an age of great honor and achievement.In the Forest I was given a vision by Taliesin, the Merlin. The sleeping god of our people. The master of all magics and soon to be ruler of this world. The Great one named me his Prophet and bid me to do his willing. We are to spread his Dominion far and wide to prepare for his return. But he also warned me. There will be others to claim godhood. Don't show mercy to their followers, he told me. Hunt them down and squash them, wherever you find them. For he is the only god there is to be!"
The large crowd of people hail the new prophet, when at last, the gates of the towers open. The towerguard marches forth and seizes the self proclaimed prophet without any resistance.
The crowd is stunned, and remains so for several hours. Just as they get restless a balcony door of the towers open, and the Archbishop himself emerges.
"Hear what I have to say! Arthur was brought before the congregation of bishops. We heard him through and we tested him. And in the end we found that every word he told was true. He IS the Prophet of our God Taliesin. And he will lead our armies to victory over all unbelievers and enemies of the Merlin. So all hail Arthur, the Prophet of Taliesin!"
With great cheer from the crowd Arthur enters the balcony to behold his new followers. And a new age for the people of Man and the whole world has dawned

[wonderloss]

I am vacation this week. I will be able to get a turn in tonight. If there is another new turn by tomorrow morning, I will probably be able to get one out before I leave, other wise I will need to postpone hosting and try to get one in by Wednesday evening. After Wednesday, I will be unavailable until Thursday evening.
I am GMT-5.

[Louist]

Alrighty.

The armies of Arcoscephale are building, if slower than I would like.

[wonderloss]

The most recent turn had a hosting error. As a result, llamaserver sent a turn where everyone has staled. I have the option of rolling back and allowing everyone to submit a new turn or just continuing with the stales.
My preferred option, unless there is a strong objection, is to continue with things as they are. It means everyone loses a turn of recruiting and movement, but everyone also has an extra turn of income and research. Rolling back introduces the risk of more errors.

[wonderloss]

Looks like things are back on track. We have a corrected turn 5. Make sure you use the more recent turn where you have not staled.

[wonderloss]

I set hosting interval for the next turn to 48 hours. It will return to 24 after that.

[Olm]

This World really puts my people to the test.....

[Kamamura]

Yellow autumn leaves
chased by wind among the graves
fools arrive here first.

[wonderloss]

Turn interval updated to 72 hours.

[Kamamura]

Okay, so now this is some super-strange thing. There was a battle in Holburg this round with Mictlan. In the battle replay, I scatter and rout his army. However, in the results, I am listed as "beaten by a stronger force", and the province now belongs to Mictlan. How is that even possible? If there was a reinforcing enemy army, should not it move in BEFORE the fight? I have no other replay than the one I decisively win. Can Mictlan comment and explain?

If not, I protest and call for an arbitrage from the admin.

[tratorix]

Okay, so now this is some super-strange thing. There was a battle in Holburg this round with Mictlan. In the battle replay, I scatter and rout his army. However, in the results, I am listed as "beaten by a stronger force", and the province now belongs to Mictlan. How is that even possible? If there was a reinforcing enemy army, should not it move in BEFORE the fight? I have no other replay than the one I decisively win. Can Mictlan comment and explain?

If not, I protest and call for an arbitrage from the admin.

The battle report is what actually happened, you hit the replay bug. It sometimes causes the battle replay to show something completely different from what happened.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yeah, in my replay I won. That bug happens sometimes, it can be caused by having different mods than the server but it can also just happen for no reason.

[wonderloss]

This is a known, if not well-understood, bug. The battle report is all that matters.

[Kamamura]

Well, then I request a video of the battle and screenshots of all the enemy leaders' stats that took part in that battle. Under normal circumstances, I would have that information.

I have never encountered it in vanilla, unmodded game.

[wonderloss]

I believe all of the stats of the units should be correct.
Here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47478&highlight=replay) is a thread on the subject. It appears that it has something to do with different random numbers in the replay, though the exact cause it not known. Mods are only one possibility.

[Admiral_Aorta]

I'm not even sure how I would make a video of the battle and I'm not really seeing why I should since it's a well known bug. The troops didn't rout because I moved two priests from an adjacent province into the province where the battle took place. They were scripted to bless, so the jaguar warriors beat your troops.

[Louist]

Hey guys, just letting everyone know that I plan on going camping a month from now, on August 20th, for 6 or 7 days. If need be, I'll find a sub for that period.

[Kamamura]

I'm not even sure how I would make a video of the battle and I'm not really seeing why I should since it's a well known bug. The troops didn't rout because I moved two priests from an adjacent province into the province where the battle took place. They were scripted to bless, so the jaguar warriors beat your troops.

I don't really care if it's "understood" or not, it should not happen. Under normal circumstances, I should see a proper replay of what happened in that battle. Information is quite important in this game. I see your priests, and they cast bless, but they are quickly overrun by my cav, resulting in mass rout.

If you don't "see" why you should, than there is something wrong with your sense of fair play. I am entitled to have this information under fair condition and to comenpensate this unfortunate bug, you should make every effort to bring the situation to the normal, fair state. As to the means of how, you can use Fraps, for example. Please postpone until I obtain this material.

[tratorix]

I'm not even sure how I would make a video of the battle and I'm not really seeing why I should since it's a well known bug. The troops didn't rout because I moved two priests from an adjacent province into the province where the battle took place. They were scripted to bless, so the jaguar warriors beat your troops.

I don't really care if it's "understood" or not, it should not happen. Under normal circumstances, I should see a proper replay of what happened in that battle. Information is quite important in this game. I see your priests, and they cast bless, but they are quickly overrun by my cav, resulting in mass rout.

If you don't "see" why you should, than there is something wrong with your sense of fair play. I am entitled to have this information under fair condition and to comenpensate this unfortunate bug, you should make every effort to bring the situation to the normal, fair state. As to the means of how, you can use Fraps, for example. Please postpone until I obtain this material.

It's not anyone heres responsibility to fix a bug in the game Kamamura. Any information, such as unit stats, blesses, etc. that are in the video are correct. It simply doesn't match the actual events due to a bug.

[Kamamura]

Anyway, I see that there is little time, so I submitted my turn. The game however seems to be broken in more ways, since in one of the battles, my Jigami safely fled the field, yet it's nowhere to be found. My theory is that the old 1.6 CBM mod is not compatible with the latest patch (at least I did not heard about a new updated version). I suspect the replays are not accurate at all.

As it is of little interest for me to play a broken game, I withdraw/surrender (take your pick). Find a replacement, or make me computer controlled, I don't really care. Bye.

[Admiral_Aorta]

It sounds like you might still have the bugged version of CBM 1.6, did you update after the most recent patch? Also here is a zip file with two videos of the battle:http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/250440/BattleVids.zip There are 2 because fraps stopped recording in the middle for some reason. Also your tears are delicious.

[tratorix]

So, are we going to find a sub for Kamamura or are we just playing with the AI? Because it doesn't look like he's coming back.

[wonderloss]

I managed to miss most of the recent posts. I will postpone and try to find a sub.

[wonderloss]

Are you still in this kama? If so, have you updated your copy of CBM 1.6 since the patch? The most recent version is linked in the initial post here.

[Admiral_Aorta]

You might have to PM him, it doesn't sound like he's going to read this thread again.

[wonderloss]

He got his turn in yesterday, which is why I thought he might still be in this, so we will see. I sent him a PM.
If he is running the old version of CBM 1.6, that would make a huge difference in combat replays, since some units end up with double attacks.

[wonderloss]

He will finish the game.

[Kamamura]

Okay, I think I owe everyone here an apology. I was indeed running an obsolete version of CBM 1.6. I considered that improbable, because I am using several computers with different OSs (Windows and Linux), but then I remembered I just installed the same version on all of them.

As wonderloss correctly stated, the problem was indeed in double attacks, specifically my Samurai Cavalry had listed "Katana, Katana, Hoof" instead of "Lance, Katana, Hoof". I thought the two attacks are correct as a compensation for higher cost of that unit, and that's why I went crazy hiring them. Naturally, I was disappointed to see my investment not paying off - I thought my version is the correct, and yours broken. Obviously, the lance counts only on the first impact, but the two katana strikes would make the unit a killer.

Even today, when I looked at the last replay, I saw my cav massacre everything and even slay the Mictlan God, while in the correct replay I saw just now, I saw that the Rain God narrowly escaped.

With that resolved, I think I will last to the end, whatever it may be (though I presume it will end up with Rylegh victory, with the map being all that nicely custom-made and conveniently water-centric, hehe).

So, with that after us, how about some diplomacy? What about everyone against Rylegh? ;-) I think he is the biggest threat anyhow, and he will pick us one by one while we fight.

P.S.: Sorry for not replying, I was indeed not reading this thread. I got very angry, because I came to a conclussion that my justified complaint is being ignored. I have a policy not to read/write anything when angry, because it quickly comes down to insults and personal attacks, and nothing good ever comes out of that.

[Admiral_Aorta]

That's not my pretender, he's a recruitable mage.

[Olm]

Okay, I think I owe everyone here an apology. I was indeed running an obsolete version of CBM 1.6. I considered that improbable, because I am using several computers with different OSs (Windows and Linux), but then I remembered I just installed the same version on all of them.


I appreciate people who admit having made a mistake and apologize. Its sad how few people do those things in the net.


So, with that after us, how about some diplomacy? What about everyone against Rylegh? ;-) I think he is the biggest threat anyhow, and he will pick us one by one while we fight.


Well, since R'lyeh is all around me, I see things exactly like you. I desperately try to maintain my Dominion and live in constant fear of being attacked broadside by hordes of chaff. The problem is I don't see any means to strike back into the water. I don't want a war with anyone else, but even so I don't see a chance to stand my ground 1on1 against R'lyeh. So my strategy for the moment is build up and wait. I don't think I could be in an offensive alliance aginst R'lyeh.


I have a policy not to read/write anything when angry, because it quickly comes down to insults and personal attacks, and nothing good ever comes out of that.

Oh man, I wish there were much more people with this policy around the net!

[Kamamura]

Olm - you can't imagine how difficult for us cholerics is to control our temper. Sometimes, I just have to repeat to myself "sit down, don't say anything, don't write anything, just wait to calm down."

BTW You see it similarly about the lurking menace of our slime-covered watery neighbor? Great! I think the dominion will be really hard to prevent from spreading madness.

Therefore, I am founding the League of Sanity Defenders (LSD) to prevent our world. Anyone willing to join is welcome! (Maybe except Rylegh). As we are currently incapable of launching an underwater invasion, I propose on establishing a no-fly zone over the Rylegh-infested ponds and lakes.

[Louist]

Therefore, I am founding the League of Sanity Defenders (LSD) to prevent our world. Anyone willing to join is welcome! (Maybe except Rylegh).

Ha!

[wonderloss]

R'yleh is the only nation currently capable of attacking R'yleh under water, and you refuse to let me join? Fine. Be that way!

[Olm]

We join the LSD.

[Louist]

I haven't had any replies to my post looking for subs. I'm going to post within each of my games, as perhaps some of you would like to babysit my nation in my other games, and perhaps someone there would come baby-sit for this one.

I've got three games I need subs for, starting a week from now (evening of the 19th would be ideal), and lasting until the 27th, when I return from camping.

There's DawnoftheMorning. This one is the most involved, and the one I most need a sub for! Playing as EA Caelum, no mods. Doing decently well, entering into late game.

There's LazyDays. (This game!). I really just need a babysitter to recruit mages :P

There's Nations, where I'm playing MA Ulm. This one is a bit of a crazy game due to a custom mod with a lot of changes (CBM 1.6, magic capped at 6th level, no indies, and some others). I understand that another mod package can be a pain, but you do get to check out the map, which I crafted :)

If anyone can take over one or more of these games a week from now, send me a PM.

Thanks!

[Louist]

I've found a sub for this game, but still need one for DawnoftheMorning and Nations.

[tratorix]

I could babysit Dawnofthemorning for you.

[Louist]

I could babysit Dawnofthemorning for you.

That would be great. PM your email to me and I'll pass it to the host. I'll also give you a bit of a run down before I go.

[Olm]

I was Attacked by R'lyeh in Province Nr. 5.
The attacking army consisted, between other troops, of 1 Vastness and 7 greater Othernesses. At the moment I have no clue how to beat these monsters.
So any help, especially relieving attacks at other fronts, would be greatly appreciated.

[tratorix]

Guys, look at me, I'm Man!

"Rly'eh is the real threat here, we need to ally against him! I will accomplish this by attacking every land nation I share a border with!"

Consider me firmly on the squids side in this conflict.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Yeah, I'd be attacking Man if I wasn't already dealing with Jomon.

[wonderloss]

For months, the oceans had remained calm. Many land dwellers kept a watchful eye on the ocean, remembering the earlier omen. In some of the lands on the coast, people had already begun to be illuminated, waiting for the arrival of the people of the stars.
After months of wariness, the seas in the south began to churn. Rising up from the depths came an army of mad or dreaming mermen and strange fish like men. Behind them were unrecognizable creatures not seen before. They were beings from the stars for whom the unenlightened citizens of man had no name.
Those who chose to take up arms were slaughtered. The following month, more armies followed. One was led by an ancient aboleth. These powerful beings had not been seen for generations, but this one rose from the deepest, most hidden parts of the ocean, lured by the new power. Another army came from the southwest, led by an illithid with the powers of the stars.
These armies began their march across the Nation of Man. Where temples to false gods were found, they were destroyed, so that they would not confuse the people or turn them away from true enlightenment. Thus the nation of R'yleh began to prepare the world for the arrival of the beings from the stars.

[Kamamura]

Consider me firmly on the squids side in this conflict.

Confucius said: "He who swims with the fishes may sleep with them as well."

[wonderloss]

Confishus said: "He who swims with . . . Get the bugs off! Get the bugs off!"

[Olm]

Guys, look at me, I'm Man!

"Rly'eh is the real threat here, we need to ally against him! I will accomplish this by attacking every land nation I share a border with!"

Consider me firmly on the squids side in this conflict.

Tratorix, please read your private message. I did not mean to attack you and was really shocked when I received the turn report. Perhaps I am just to stupid for this game.
First time I unintentionally attacked it was with spies who had still unstealthy troops with them.
This time I just wanted to switch some spies around and moved the similar looking mercenary commander to your province instead of the spy.
All I can say is I am really sorry, and I am ready to compensate you with money or gems or both. I don't want war with you, that would be totally crazy.
So I withdraw at once and again offer you compensation. Just name your price, and if its halfway reasonable and I can afford it, I will pay it this turn.

[Kamamura]

Olm - if he attacked, then he probably attacked on purpose. There are no accidents in this game. Since declaration of war is not mandatory, the temptation is sometimes too strong. The only thing you can do about it is what I had to do with Mictlan - hit back so hard he will regret he ever started it. Only when you are perceived as strong enough threat, people will be willing to negotiate, otherwise they will just roll over you.

[wonderloss]

From what I see, Mictlan is not in much of a position to negotiate.

[Olm]

Olm - if he attacked, then he probably attacked on purpose. There are no accidents in this game. Since declaration of war is not mandatory, the temptation is sometimes too strong. The only thing you can do about it is what I had to do with Mictlan - hit back so hard he will regret he ever started it. Only when you are perceived as strong enough threat, people will be willing to negotiate, otherwise they will just roll over you.

No, I attacked him. And it was an accident. Probably my last. Just too silly!
Well I will fight R'lyeh as long as possible and give you my remaining property in the end, to continue the fight.

[Olm]

I would be happy to claim the deed for myself, but in fact the world has to thank Bogus the Troll for salvation from this beast.
So all hail Bogus Wormslayer!
And after hailing him for a month or so, I need to find means to get rid of him, for he besieges my home castle.

And if one beast was not enough, my valiant Wardens, assisted by some magnificent Pegasus Riders have killed Auluudh, the ancient Aboleth and his Army.

Now its only the Vastness with its retinue of greater Othernesses that bother my realm. They managed to evade my Wardens and rather let the Aboleth die in my attack. But I will come to them in time!

[Louist]

Bogus really can claim a single-handed victory there. The others routed quickly, but Bogus' life drain really did the trick for him.

[tratorix]

The real stroke that won the battle was Rlyeh's wyrm getting frozen early on. That fatigue really spelled the end for it.

[Olm]

The real stroke that won the battle was Rlyeh's wyrm getting frozen early on. That fatigue really spelled the end for it.

Yes, N'Goo had just one strike left, when he reached Bogus. After that he passed out and the troll just hacked away at an unconscious wyrm.
Perhaps he would even have gotten away with a draw, had he passed out earlier, because Bogus killed the chaff rather slowly.

By the way: The last attempt of Mictlan to break free was also interesting to behold. For a moment I thought he might succeed.

It was a really interesting month indeed!

[wonderloss]

FYI, I will not be around much this weekend. If anyone thinks they might need any extensions or anything else for the next turn, please let me know.

[wonderloss]

Ulm, did you get a turn in? If so, you might need to resend it. Llamaserver is still showing yours missing, despite updating the list.

[tratorix]

I thought I sent one in, but it's entirely possible with the server not updating that I just assumed I did it. I'll have it sent within the hour.

[Admiral_Aorta]

Wow, I sure did make some dumb decisions in this game. That's me anyway.

[Olm]

I have regained most of my territory with some minor battles against the mad ones. Still I feel like being worn down slowly. R'lyeh avoids my main force, harassing my stretched borders with his quite potent forces. He must have nearly 10 vastnesses now, ready to strike at my coastlines.
So if anyone is willing to help against the menace R'lyeh is, now would be a good time. The demise of Mictlan should make some resources available. And I would be very grateful if someone could liberate my castle in Cimri or even attack the western sea. R'lyeh is split at the moment and their god is dead. So when could be a better time to hit them, than now?

[Olm]

Wow, I sure did make some dumb decisions in this game. That's me anyway.

Bye Aorta, see you in another game.

[Olm]

By the way, if anyone needs barrels of air to strike against R'lyeh, I could supply them. I would use them myself, but my main force are archers.

[Louist]

I'm going to be (even) less active for the foreseeable future, as university ramps up. You wont see any of my turns stale, but I'll probably be a lot slower in sending them in.

Also, Olm, I'll take any items, gems, or gold, as long as they're free :)

[Olm]

Also, Olm, I'll take any items, gems, or gold, as long as they're free :)

I did not talk of giving away provinces.
Do I have to take your attack on Dhara as a declaration of war?

[Olm]

I am sad to announce that from now on the Nations of Man and Ulm are at war.

[Louist]

I am sad to announce that from now on the Nations of Man and Ulm are at war.

<----- Points out that the peaceful people of Arcoscephale want nothing but peace.

Also, well done against Bogus :)

[Olm]

Also, well done against Bogus :)

Thank you. It was easier than I thought. mechanical men and lightning bolts seem to be all thats necessary.

[Kamamura]

The LSD is proud to announce the start of the operation Frogicide, aimed at derylehization of the world's sea, rivers and oceans. Our sanitation squad Alpha has met negligible resistance so far - two confused, frightened frogs and something resembling an oversized newt.

[Olm]

Beware, Kamamura, the worm of R'lyeh has risen again!

[Kamamura]

Looks like I have stalled a turn. Oh ... well. You could have given a bit more time, because this weekend I was moving to a new flat and it was chaos (I wrote about it in the other thread). But the problem is I thought the deadline was a day later, and it was in fact the same time as the Elementalists game.

[wonderloss]

I will be out of town next week, and I am not having any luck with finding a sub for this game. I leave on Sunday. If no one steps in, the game will need to be put on hold for a week. I should probably be able to get in the current turn and the next turn before leaving.

[wonderloss]

I postponed until next Sunday.

[wonderloss]

Kamamura is unable to continue playing, so I need to find a sub for Jomon. I am also going to be out of town most of next week. I will begin looking for a sub and put the game on hold.

[wonderloss]

I have not gotten any responses to my requests for a sub. One option, to get things moving again, would be to set Man AI and let him take over Jomon. Would you like to do this, Olm? Would anyone object?

[Olm]

I thought about that myself, but I just don't have the time to do it.
When my extermination in this game was obvious I started a new one. So I have 2 games running plus this one (still). And I just don't have the time to do more.
I will continue this one until utter extermination (turns are rather quick atm) but I cannot take a large nation like Jomon, as much as I would like to.
I am sorry.

[PriestyMan]

Well i am the new Jomon. Hope i can make this game fun.

Arco, Ryleh, and Man, could you send me a pm telling me our diplo situation?

[PriestyMan]

Is tratorix still around? my turn is in, just waiting on ulm

[tratorix]

Oh sorry, didn't realize I hadn't sent my turn in. I'd kind of forgotten about this game. I'll send it in when I get home.

[wonderloss]

Louist, are you out there?

[PriestyMan]

Its generally considered bad form when the admin lets the person he is at war with stale out and die without fighting back.

[wonderloss]

It was unintentional. I normally do a better job of keeping up. I got pulled away from the computer when I was doing my Dom 3 stuff, and I forgot to postpone.

[wonderloss]

No word from Louist. I guess I will begin hunting a sub.

[PriestyMan]

If traitorix could check his pm's that would be appriciated

[Mightypeon]

I may be willing to sub in for acro, but I want to have a look at the situation first.

Cheers,

Mightypeon

[wonderloss]

Turn sent.

[Mightypeon]

Turn sent, the situation looks quite salavagable, I have to say I subbed in for worse situations ;)

I understand I am at war with Ryleth, Jomon is at war with Ulm, and Man I have no clue about?

[Olm]

Jomon is also at war with Rlyeh. Man (thats me) is dead, but refuses to accept it. For what its worth I am at war with Rlyeh and Ulm and distribute my few gems between Jomon and arco.

[wonderloss]

Yes. That is a fair assessment of the situation. I think it is still anybody's game (except for Man).

Thanks for subbing.

[tratorix]

Oops. Sorry guys, kind of forgot about this game after it slowed to a crawl. I'll have my turn in soonish.

[PriestyMan]

and check your pm's too btw

[Mightypeon]

Could a holidy extension be considered?

[wonderloss]

No problem.

[wonderloss]

If anyone is having trouble getting a turn in by the deadline, please send me a PM. I do not mind extending turns as needed.

[Mightypeon]

Ill do that the next time ;)

[Olm]

Sorry, first stale in my very last turn.
Finally got Domkilled.
Will post a brief AAR when I have time (after Thursday).

[wonderloss]

Are you still with us, Jomon?

[PriestyMan]

Yeah, sorry about the stales. busy times

[wonderloss]

It is alright. I just wanted to catch it before a third. I have been pretty busy myself, and I have not been able to watch the server like I used to do.

[wonderloss]

We all seem to be having trouble getting turns in on time. Half of us are subs. Do you guys have a strong interest in seeing this game finished? I have not been staling, but quite a few of my recent turns have been thrown together in a less than 10 minutes. I am in the process of moving, cleaning, and unpacking, which has cut into my free time even more.

If you guys really want to finish, I will stick with it. On the other hand, if there is a general lack of interest, I see no reason to drag things out.

[PriestyMan]

I have been losing motivation for this game i admit. Jomon really should win this game, but i havent been doing this game justice to accomplish that in any kind of a timley manner. I'm all for quitting, but i wont quit if no one else wants to

[Mightypeon]

I dont really care much about this game too.
Fighting Ryleth is a pain in the rear end, but they arent exactly making progress on me either.

[Mightypeon]

I wont get that turn in in time I guess.

[wonderloss]

Given everybody's replies, I think I will end the game. I will extend 24 hours for Ulm to reply. If he does not, I will declare it finished.

[Mightypeon]

Finished. And Swedished! :)

[PriestyMan]

you should let the turn host though so i can see if my communion works the way i wanted it to

:)

[wonderloss]

I will not end it before the turn hosts.

[Olm]

Its a bit sad, that my first MP game ends like that, I think it would have deserved a proper winner.

Well before everyone looses interest, I want to give a very short AAR of Man's failure:

Its been a long time since, and I cannot remember everything, but I'll do my best.

I chose a sleeping rainbow pretender with good Order and Growth.
My starting point was 8. A good defensible position, but unfortunately only against land nations.
The game started out very (very, very) poorly. I lost my Prophet in the first fight to a stray arrow from some horsetribe cavallery. Half of my starting army also perished.
I tried a dozen similar fights in testgames, loosing none, often winning without loosing one unit! But here it was a total loss.
So I has a slow start and soon found out that R'lyeh was my neighbor to the east. So no Pretender, no Prophet and R'lyeh spreading his deadly Dominion with probably dom 10.
I had to put much more money in temples and priests, than I wanted.
Going north I found an Inkpod End in the woods :-(
When I arrived at the cruciual province 24 R'lyeh had already crossed it with his Worm into the western sea, so now it was R'lyeh Dominion from two sides.
At some time the Worm (unequipped) attacked me, but it turned out longbowmen are great against him and he fled.
I had to cut through 24, otherwise the game would have been over then.
I managed to do it, and after some dispute with Ulm I managed to establish something of a defensible position with 24, 29, 31, 37 and 44. Even with building many temples and priests I had enough money to build quite some forts, so the position was not bad.
Then I attacked 49, as nobody else took it.
I got greedy as I saw the nation north of there (don't remember which it was) being very weak and hard pressed by Jomon, so I marched northward. That was the biggest mistake. I managed to capture some provinces with minimal losses, but just when my army reached the northern end of the map, R'lyeh attacked in the south.
My army started to march south, but was months away.
Bogus came to my help, killing the R'lyeh worm, who was sieging my home
, but it did not help much.
Perhaps I could have had a chance, as yeh had also other enemies, but I had annoyed Ulm with my nooby mistakes (using scouts to ferry troops and then "sneak" them into his territory without unloading the troops. That happened twice. And once I just confused the images of a scout and my mercenary commander). I can not blame him. I was annoying and weak. So he attacked me and split my nation. From the on it was dying a slow death. I had some minor victories but I went down fast.
In the end, after my Pretender died in sight of the Towers of Chelms, I gave everything to Jomon to continue the fight against Ulm and R'lyeh (which he did splendidly, as long as I was able to observe) and pestered Ulm with two Lord Wardens and a mercenary band. I managed to take 2-3 provinces from him and that was what was left of Mans hopes when the last white candle died.

As mentioned previously I had fun, although I must admit I like the MA much more and fighting R'lyeh is a pain.

If its worth for anything: I'd vote for Jomon as winner.

CU in other games.

[tratorix]

Please kill it, this game has been crippled for a while now. :( Either Ry'leh or Jomon are probably in the best position to win, but I honestly can't muster up any enthusiasm for this right now.