Noobaclysm! Cataclysm mod game for noobs. GAME STARTED!

[Jiggymike]

Looking for 8-10 nations, preferably no more than 10 but we can err on the smaller side. I'd prefer people who have played less than 10 MP games total, though we might consider expanding it if it's having trouble filling up. I also want it to be casually paced, as in no time limits on turns, though we can talk about that as well, since I'd like to keep the game from stagnating.

ERA: EA
MAP: Plane of Rusty Nails: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45271&highlight=rusty+nails
Turns: No set limit, only quick host when all turns are submitted. However, as I'm sure we all enjoy playing our turns, please try not to languish too long between turns. I'll send out reminders if people are taking what seems to be excessively long. We could also do something like 72hrs.
MODS: CBM 1.92, latest version of Cataclysm mod (probably going to wait and see if any bugs come up in the new Aftermath II game so Elmokki can fix them).
Victory conditions: To the death, until we decided on a winner
Diplomacy: Machiavellian. Nothing is binding but don't expect to be trusted if you betray someone else...all you have is your word.

Settings:
Special site frequency:50
Renaming:On
Score graphs:On
Hall of fame entries:15
Everything else default.

And of course the usual restrictions concerning bogus orders, filling enemy labs, army blocking (moving a single commander or unit at an enemy with the intention of keeping him from moving into a province) and being a douche bag.

Cataclysm mod: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=573

NATIONS:
Jiggymike - Republic of Gray
Endymion - Commonwealth of Pink
Pakoito - Dictatorship of White
Choibill - Caliphate of Cyan
Happerry - Duchy of Red
bgifu - Bisphoric of Black
Thistlechaser - Principality of Green
Korwin - Khanate of Lime
Scarmuccia - Empire of Orange
Kosomoko - Sultanate of Brown

[bgifu]

Could I take Lanka? Or I must choose the Cataclysm nation?

[Jiggymike]

Could I take Lanka? Or I must choose the Cataclysm nation?

No, has to be a cataclysm nation. If you weren't aware, they are all identical human nations except for the flag colors; you are ultimately designed by the magical sites you find.

[choibill]

may i take cyan

[pakoito]

I want some turn limit or a smaller map or else this can last one year.

[Jiggymike]

Welcome to the game choibill!

I want some turn limit or a smaller map or else this can last one year.

OK, then we'll implement a turn limit. I'd prefer to keep the map on the larger side because you'll need to find some sites to begin rounding out your nation and I want to give everyone a chance, plus it will increase variation. I was hoping for something a little more casual though, so how about starting at 48hrs and adjusting from there? I figure people will want to get their turns in but if we have 10 people, some of them might be more truant than others.

Also, still looking for map recommendations! If we get to 9-10, I think we should do Plane of Rusty Nails, but if we only get 6 or 7 that would be way too big. Think around 15 provinces per nation, preferably wrap around.

[Happerry]

Hum, can I be red this time?

[bgifu]

Could I take Lanka? Or I must choose the Cataclysm nation?

No, has to be a cataclysm nation. If you weren't aware, they are all identical human nations except for the flag colors; you are ultimately designed by the magical sites you find.

Alright, I will take Bishopric of Black.

[Jiggymike]

Great, we are up to six! I'll give it another day or so to see if we get a few more players, then choose a map and get it started.

[Jiggymike]

Leaving this open for another 24 hours or so, if no one else wants in we'll pick a map and get started on Pretenders. Would like to start the game by Sunday or Monday at latest.

[Thistlechaser]

Ohhhh... Random Fun.

Count me in as Green please

[Korwin]

I'm not exactly an Newbie anymore, but since you wrote in the OP you migth want to expand, I'll express my interest.

Edit: Oh ninjaed by a whole day ;)

[Scaramuccia]

Add me as Empire of Orange, my favourite colour.

[kosomoko]

add me whit Sultanate of Brown, :bug:, I like this mod

[Jiggymike]

OK, we've got 10 so we're good to go. Design pretenders and we'll get started by Monday. Original thread has been updated to include map, Plane of Rusty Nails and the Cataclysm 0.93 mod. Turns will be 48hrs to start, we'll extend it when necessary.

IMPORTANT NOTE ON PRETENDER DESIGN: There seems to be some quirks when designing pretenders with this mod and CBM 1.92. Disable all mods, then restart the game, then enable CBM 1.92 before enabling Cataclysm. When designing your pretender, make sure that the Son of the Sun costs 0 points and not 50. If it costs 50 points, your pretender will break the game, so try restarting again until you get it to 0 points. It appeared to work in the Aftermath game.

[pakoito]

Is it llamaserver or?

[Jiggymike]

Is it llamaserver or?

It's llamaserver, I forgot to create it but now it's up!

[pakoito]

First draft of my pretender sent, it may change over this couple of days.

[Korwin]

I will be Lime then.

[pakoito]

Someone took Kailasa. Kick'm.

[Jiggymike]

Looks like I'm the only one not in yet! I'm not sure what strategy I want to try but I'll whip up a pretender right now so we can get started.

OK it says 10 nations have joined but only 9 pretenders are in. I'm not sure what that means but I'm assuming it just means there's a delay and it should be started soon!

[pakoito]

Can we cancel the game autostart? I thought we had until Sunday and I'm having second thoughts about my pretender...

[Jiggymike]

Game started and everything looks ok! I'll set the timer to 48 hrs but lets get these first few turns in quickly.

Damn that was bad timing. Do you want to redo your pretender? We can remake the game pretty quickly and easily.

[pakoito]

Game started and everything looks ok! I'll set the timer to 48 hrs but lets get these first few turns in quickly.

Damn that was bad timing. Do you want to redo your pretender? We can remake the game pretty quickly and easily.Nah it's ok, I'll roll with him.

[Jiggymike]

OK cool, sorry about that, I just got a little overexcited. I'm not sure about my pretender either but I want to test it out and see how it works in a game like this.

[pakoito]

Who the **** is awake at 4am (besides me)? TURN 2 YAY!

[Jiggymike]

It's 9:30PM here...

[Korwin]

Hmm, allready seeing enemy foreign candles from two directions on the map....

[pakoito]

Hmm, allready seeing enemy foreign candles from two directions on the map....It's me and I'm coming for you.

[Korwin]

Hmm, allready seeing enemy foreign candles from two directions on the map....It's me and I'm coming for you.

I see what you are doing! Trying to outflank me by comming from both sides.
But you made an mistake! You splitted your forces. NOW I WILL defeat your forces in detail and will triumph and the godhood will be MINE! Mine allone.

Send me your money, your gems and your virgins and I might kill you last.

*goestobed*

--
Lime who dreams the God Dream

[Jiggymike]

Kosomoko, turn on your private messaging, I'm trying to contact you about some diplomacy (short form - you stick to the provinces to the north of me, I'll stick to the ones to the south).

[Jiggymike]

Well it would have been nice if you got back to me because then you wouldn't have made a pointless attack on me on the fourth turn. You'll probably beat me given that you have a SC pretender and I don't. However, I'm going to make sure that it takes you as long as possible, at which point everyone else is going to get a huge site advantage over you. Then I'm going to RUIN your pretender even if I probably can't kill him. You'll win the battle but you definitely won't win the war. So yeah, that's why communication in multiplayer can be nice.

[jimbojones1971]

Well it would have been nice if you got back to me because then you wouldn't have made a pointless attack on me on the fourth turn. You'll probably beat me given that you have a SC pretender and I don't. However, I'm going to make sure that it takes you as long as possible, at which point everyone else is going to get a huge site advantage over you. Then I'm going to RUIN your pretender even if I probably can't kill him. You'll win the battle but you definitely won't win the war. So yeah, that's why communication in multiplayer can be nice.

Woah, that's crazy talk! You mean, like, actually interact with other players?! :confused:

More seriously, that is one of my concerns with this mod (I am playing it now in another game). It seems like the optimal path to success is to take an SC pretender. Although I think that the mod originator (dude with a ball, Elmoki or something?) is trying to tweak the available chasis a bit to make other strategies more viable.

[Korwin]

Well, I do hope I have a chance without an SC Pretender... ;)

[Jiggymike]

It definitely feels like taking a SC pretender is optimal since earlyl expansion is so important to establishing your troop and magic diversity. However, I feel like there are other viable strategies and I was looking forward to trying one out. It's difficult to handle a rush from a SC with all mages having one path, though. I guess we will just see what happens.

[kosomoko]

Well it would have been nice if you got back to me because then you wouldn't have made a pointless attack on me on the fourth turn. You'll probably beat me given that you have a SC pretender and I don't. However, I'm going to make sure that it takes you as long as possible, at which point everyone else is going to get a huge site advantage over you. Then I'm going to RUIN your pretender even if I probably can't kill him. You'll win the battle but you definitely won't win the war. So yeah, that's why communication in multiplayer can be nice.

I see your post now. I made preventive attack. You use a Super mage to research fast. If i made nap whith you, your pretender and your republic of Gray convert in very hard. In this moment i need try to kill fast, because your strategy its better in med and late game (i think).

Im sorry if i rush you (or i tray) but its a game, and I think its better option for me.

Sultanate of Brown its dung :bug:

[Korwin]

@Thistlechaser:
Get your PN's up. Want to talk to you about borders.

Sent you an In-Game Message.

[Jiggymike]

Well it would have been nice if you got back to me because then you wouldn't have made a pointless attack on me on the fourth turn. You'll probably beat me given that you have a SC pretender and I don't. However, I'm going to make sure that it takes you as long as possible, at which point everyone else is going to get a huge site advantage over you. Then I'm going to RUIN your pretender even if I probably can't kill him. You'll win the battle but you definitely won't win the war. So yeah, that's why communication in multiplayer can be nice.

I see your post now. I made preventive attack. You use a Super mage to research fast. If i made nap whith you, your pretender and your republic of Gray convert in very hard. In this moment i need try to kill fast, because your strategy its better in med and late game (i think).

Im sorry if i rush you (or i tray) but its a game, and I think its better option for me.

Sultanate of Brown its dung :bug:

Don't be sorry, just prepare for a drawn out conflict that's going to hurt us both and probably kill one of us. It's all fair play. Turn on your private messages for future games, though.

[Korwin]

Endymion - Commonwealth of Pink


Tried to write Pink a message: The following users were not found: Endymion

[Jiggymike]

Endymion - Commonwealth of Pink


Tried to write Pink a message: The following users were not found: Endymion

Sorry, he has different names on different forums and I couldn't remember who he was here. I think it's EndymionAsleep but I'm not sure. Just start typing the name into the PM box, leave it alone for a second, and his name will show up.

In other news this war that Brown has decided to wage on me is definitely killing us both. Had he been smart about it he might have done it quickly enough to save himself but at this point it's just going to be a mess when our armies meet.

[pakoito]

The problem with 48h games is that I don't remember what I was doing and what was I supposed to do. I have to start noting down what was everything where for each game -.-

[Korwin]

@Kosomoko:
Please activate your PN's. Sent you an In-Game message about borders. You will get it next turn...

[kosomoko]

@Kosomoko:
Please activate your PN's. Sent you an In-Game message about borders. You will get it next turn...

I think i made

[pakoito]

Dear Cyan.

Don't. I won't attack so don't feel threatened.

[Korwin]

Hello Orange,

Just so you know, I'm not interested in an conflict with you.
I wont expand in your direction.

--
Lime

[pakoito]

To the green/orange player (can't tell them apart, I'm colorblind). Please attack pink's remaining province so he's out from the game. I'll pay you 100g if you do it this turn and optionally 250 more (350 total) if you leave the province to me later. The offer is just valid for this turn.

[Jiggymike]

Someone PM me if you want to become the admin for this game, I am giving up because it's not fun for me anymore.

[Korwin]

Aw, if Nobody else steps forward, I'll do it.

[Jiggymike]

We have one turn due soon I think, going to delay the next one until Monday for the holiday weekend.

[Korwin]

R.I.P. Pink.

[EndymionAsleep]

I'd like to register a complaint.... I had control of the majority of a province. The outside section of my capital.

Heh, I had been dead the whole time from my turn 1 guess being wrong. Had I randomly chosen south, White would have been dead by turn 4. Sadly I chose East, and green's setup was strong enough (and lucky enough) to avoid being killed by a stealth assassin dom10 pretender.

[Korwin]

Hmm, to be honest...
That strategy looks like an huge risk, for little payoff. Shure the gems in the capital are nice.
But those nicer sites in non-capitol provinces...

BTW. please send your turn on last time to llamaserver, so the turn migth get processed faster.

[Jiggymike]

R.I.P. Pink.

I don't have much longer either and I am definitely NOT admining this game after I'm dead...

[pakoito]

I'd like to register a complaint.... I had control of the majority of a province. The outside section of my capital.

Heh, I had been dead the whole time from my turn 1 guess being wrong. Had I randomly chosen south, White would have been dead by turn 4. Sadly I chose East, and green's setup was strong enough (and lucky enough) to avoid being killed by a stealth assassin dom10 pretender.
DK by awake pretender was my main worry the first turns. Troops and research-wise I was fine the whole time.

Now to regroup and grow, I've lost some indie provinces in the war.

[EndymionAsleep]

The 14 gems a turn from a capital is huge. Sure there are good sites elsewhere, but there are good sites everywhere.

Taking the capital early wasn't the goal though, the goal was to have a direction I could expand into quickly since it wasn't occupied.

As for the risk: the only cost of the tactic was the cost of the 10dom pretender. I actually had net +1 scales on top of him-- and with cataclysm mod that can be enough if you're willing to embrace the idea that when everyone has ludicrously high gem income scales arn't that important. So the main cost was in that I didn't take an SC that could expand or a rainbow that could use up gems quickly. (Or sage that could help the gem-use.... or a grand alchemist, but sadly that isn't an option)

There is also another hidden strength of Lord of the Night: the assassination ability. Early game this can snatch commander-prophets or non-SC pretenders if the opportunity comes up-- which it almost did. I did attempt an assassination in the capital of Green(On turn 3, I think), but the RNG just gave me a mage, not the pretender. (Note: I'm told immortality doesn't help in the assassination realm, as it takes place in a non-province with no dominion.) Late game, however, LotN can be equipped to be turned into a decent SC.... with assassination.

Oh, anyways, my final "turn" is in... and has been all day. Llama-server is borked though, and hasn't received anything that came in after 17:22 GMT on Thursday December 1st.

[choibill]

R.I.P. Pink.
Hey guys i have problem with sending my turn file now.
can we delay the next turn until llamaturns is fixed.

[Scaramuccia]

Scales sucks because Tons of heavy cav can't kill an SC. And you don't need gold for labs, temples, mages.

[Jiggymike]

Hosting postponed

[Korwin]

I got the Admin. PW, so I can take over as Admin.
I did'nt get the Master-Password (Jiggymike did not specify one?), so lets hope nobody gets lost.

[Jiggymike]

Well Brown, I warned you that this war was pointless. I have to say it feels pretty good to turn back your entire army and your pretender with nothing more than one-level mages and a handful of troops while also feebleminding one of your skratti from all the way across the map. I told you, I will not go down easy and I will make sure you suffer as a result of your attack.

[kosomoko]

You have all reason, but only play a few games. And i try to made a rush.

[Jiggymike]

^Yeah, you'll learn. For example, if you'd used your dragon as a combatant instead of to cast spells, I'd probably have been dead 5 turns ago.

[pakoito]

^Yeah, you'll learn. For example, if you'd used your dragon as a combatant instead of to cast spells, I'd probably have been dead 5 turns ago.:doh:

[choibill]

asking advice for another game
hey guys how should i counter Hel. attack with riders when im using Agar.
man i cant even kill 10 riders with my troops out number Hel.

[Korwin]

Hel. = Helheim?
Agar. = Agartha?
Third sentence is a total mystery to me.

Sorry.

[Jiggymike]

Agarthans are pretty weak combatants, can you cast Darkness at the start of the battle?

[Scaramuccia]

Use magic - what turn is it and what have you researched.

[choibill]

its 30 turn.
i still not reach Darkness yet.
any quick methods to ease the situation?

[Jiggymike]

Capital is gone, almost dead. Will be sending out gems to people this turn who agree to avenge me. Let me know what type you need, first come first serve.

[choibill]

I am Cyan.
Orange is the most powerful nation right now and i am started to attack her. Anyone want to join this Crusade are welcomed!

[Scaramuccia]

It is a time to force hosting.

[Korwin]

It is a time to force hosting.

Did I miss something? Nobody stalled this turn.

[choibill]

OMG White helped orange to attack me.
I am losing and i hope you guys can win these 2 evil nation!

[Korwin]

Looks like Green and red are on holidays. Both stalled the last two turns.
I'm postphoning tommorow if they dont submit their turns...

[Thistlechaser]

Apologies. I got rushed and forgot to post that I would have no internet over the holiday weekend. Resuming turns ASAP

[Korwin]

Red is still missing.
I'll going to extend until ~ 2nd January unless people want the game get hosted anyway.

[Happerry]

Ach, Holidays and then got layed up with a cold. My apologies for stalling.

[pakoito]

OMG White helped orange to attack me.
I am losing and i hope you guys can win these 2 evil nation!

I didn't help noone. I just went and took it lol

[pakoito]

Also, someone else that can attack Cyan armies in the south (red? gray?) we'll finish him up quickly.

[Korwin]

Just now found two turns from noobacalysm in my SPAM-Folder.
5 from 8 players (including me) stalled last turn.

Do you want an Rollback?

[pakoito]

Rollback would break the game.

I'm out of town for 11-12-13, can I get an extension, please?

[pakoito]

Bump. I won't be here 11-12-13 so I need an extension.

[Korwin]

game extended to 14th Jannuary

[Happerry]

Good thing too. My Email is pretending it doesn't exist right now so until I get that figured out I'm in trouble.

[Korwin]

Good thing too. My Email is pretending it doesn't exist right now so until I get that figured out I'm in trouble.

E-Mail working again?
Need more time or want the turn delivered to another adress?

[Happerry]

Email started working again, but it looks like my turn got in too late. Drat. Oh well, not Giving up now..

[pakoito]

Hi!

Same as last time, I won't be here until the 26th so if I could get an extension...

[Korwin]

Done

[pakoito]

Very classy, attacking me on a stale turn when I was traveling. Going AI.

[Scaramuccia]

I thought you got an extension. Sorry, next game will send a declaration of war a week before.

[pakoito]

I thought you got an extension. Sorry, next game will send a declaration of war a week before.Not only you're rude but bad mannered too. Don't worry, I'll take care not to be in any more games with you.

[Scaramuccia]

Sorry for insulting you. But I really hate when losing side start saying that I was doing something unfair. The turn of this attack was planned 13 turns ago (when I summoned Wendigos).

[Korwin]

Sorry White, I extended the turn as you wished. If you needed more time you should have said so.

Another thing i just now noticed looking at the staling data
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Noobaclysm&action=showstales
wtf happened with green?

Do we have an Sub at hand?

[Korwin]

hawk120 will be taking over Green.
As soon as I get his eMail, I'll make the changes.
I'll extend the turn, so he gets some time to get familiar with his situation.

[hawk120]

can any ally/ at war with green please let me know?

[Korwin]

Anyone knows whats up with Red?
Is he still playing? Anyone in contact with him?

[Korwin]

Setting Red to AI if he stalls again. Objections anyone?

[Korwin]

2 stalls last turn... :(
Black who gets slowly beaten by me...
Green who gets steamrolled by Orange...

[Korwin]

Wow, need to take notes from Orange.
Brown you are in an War with Orange too? If not, now is your chance. Otherwise the game is over and Orange has won.
(Might be even over, even if you partake in the final war...)

[Scaramuccia]

We have nap3 with brown:) It is just enough time to finish you and prepare to new war.

Brown, if you are interested ignore this nap. Let's see if I can win 1v2

Notes for future cataclysm games:
1)Rushing research boosters is very powerful - you could have lots of them with this crazy gem income
2)Castles suck - labs are much cheaper way to recruit magi.
3)Scales are much better strategy than it seems - heavy cav in early game is good enough to expand and defend from rushes and in mid game gold income transform in lots of magi.
If you are paranoid about early game use awake bull + scales build (bull is the cheapest SC, wyrm works too) just don't loose him on the turn 3 like I did.
4) recruit magician each turn:)

[Korwin]

Yeah, I had an scales build too, and I was at second place the whole game.
I only build Forts to protect my temples.

My problem was, I had no clue after early game. And I should have attacked you much sooner.
I mean, I should have attacked you not the other way around...

Edit: Per InGame Message, Brown concedes to Orange, but wants to see some big battles.
So I keep the game up...

[Scaramuccia]

I was going for huge research first, artifacts after, and mass SC production starting from turn 35 or so.

One thing I didn't see you guys doing - I was sitesearching like a mad man - all my territory is searched with remote spells. I stopped only after attacking green.

[Scaramuccia]

Could you extend for 6 hours?