MP: NoobTown - MA noob game Running)

[DarkAvenger211]

Starting up an MA game for all noobs :d. Or in general inexperienced players. Lets say at least under 10 games. the settings are below:

Game parameters:
Players: 6

Map: Randomly generated Medium Map (will be called "DarkAvenger211 - Randomly Generated Medium Map" on llamaserver)
ERA: MA
Mods: CBM 1.92
Magic site freq: 50
Renaming On
Graph On
Hall of Fame 15
Everything else set as default
Turn length: Initially 30h/turn. Will expand in later game
Diplomacy: Anything goes
Winner: Last man, woman or beast standing or on agreement of remaining survivors.
Game exploits are forbidden

Planning on hosting the Game on llamaserver

Reply with your nation pick. I'm playing Ulm

DarkAvenger211 - Ulm
Flop - Pythium
mattyburn7 - Agartha
r9vm0@unb.ca - Arco
Nightfall - Abysia
Torgon - Man

hawk - Bandar log (MIA?)
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NoobTown

Here's the map:

[Flop]

I'm willing to join one more noob game, especially since there's only 6 players. I'd like to give Pythium a whirl, please.

[mattyburn7]

I'd like to give Agartha a shot

[hawk120]

id like to give Bandar log a whirl

[Nightfall]

I'll take Abysia please this will be game number 6 for me.

[DarkAvenger211]

Only need one more :D

[DarkAvenger211]

Alright. I have the last player. Just waiting for him to post here. Then we can get started

[Flop]

Can I ask what the deadline for sending in the pretenders is? I'd very much appreciate a day (preferably two) to do a bit more testing, before making my final choice, if that's possible.

[DarkAvenger211]

Games up. Submit pretenders!

[DarkAvenger211]

As for deadline. I'd prefer as soon as you can. I haven't played my nation before either so you can keep doing testing while the game starts

[DarkAvenger211]

So my friend is having some issues with his CD key. The one he used before he can't find. So he's trying to get that sorted out with customer support. He said he didn't want to hold the game up so we still need one more!

Submit pretenders when you can. We should have this game up soon

[Flop]

Am I the only one who thinks this map is really small? Medium maps are supposed to be around 15 provinces per player, but this is more like 6.

[DarkAvenger211]

There's 86 land tiles. If you only count them that's 14.3 tiles per player.

With the water tiles it adds up to a little over 15.

[Flop]

14.3 land tiles per player sounds more like it. :)

Maybe you uploaded the wrong map, then, because that one only has 31+4.

[DarkAvenger211]

Heh. one second then. I'm going to check.

Yeah that is the wrong file. The right one is being uploaded to the OP right now

[Flop]

Thanks. I was worried I'd be knocked out of the game in two turns. :)

[Flop]

Look, I hate to be a nagger, but the new one is only 38+8. :)

[DarkAvenger211]

You're right. I lost the whole map. So I generated a new one and set the game to that map instead. SHould be in the OP soon

[Flop]

This one looks much better. Thanks. :)

[DarkAvenger211]

Still waiting on one more. Would be awesome for someone to come in today :D wink wink.

[mattyburn7]

Just need 1 more!

[Torgon]

i'll take man. I'm in another game but I'm about to bite it, so I think I can take on another.

[DarkAvenger211]

alrighty. Tell me what nation and you can upload it right away

[Torgon]

Man

[DarkAvenger211]

Alright then. Upload pretender when ready. The llama server is down though I think.

[Torgon]

Yep. It's not acknowledging anything.

[DarkAvenger211]

Alrighty. Games that were waiting to be started got screwed up. I restarted the game server

Resubmit pretenders to NoobTown2

[Flop]

Shouldn't we rather wait until llamaserver is back on track, if we're restarting the game anyway?

[DarkAvenger211]

It's back now actually. Its just the waiting games got completely screwed up.

[Torgon]

Hmmmm... still doesn't appear to be working.

[DarkAvenger211]

you're right :/

[DarkAvenger211]

Well I guess we'll have to wait until it's back up. Then just submit it back to NoobTown (the first one).

I tried to delete it earlier but it won't even do that. So we'll have to wait

[Torgon]

Looks like it might be working again. Finally received an email acknowledging my pretender. However, the status on the website still hasn't updated.

[mattyburn7]

I just resubmitted my Pretender to Noobtown2 and it acknowledged and updated website...Might want to try 1 more time but I think all is working now.

[Torgon]

yep. I've submitted mine. Looks like everything's working.

[DarkAvenger211]

NoobTown (1) was deleted. Submit to NoobTown2. It seems to be working now

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NoobTown2

[Nightfall]

yep. I've submitted mine. Looks like everything's working.

Hey Torgon

Just a friendly piece of advice based on our income and population discussion; no idea whether it's relevant or not.

If your playing an imprisoned pretender with heavy scales; a common mistake is not taking enough dominion on your pretender.

I've stuffed a game before with that mistake; I'd recommend a minimum 8. Nothing worse than altering provinces to luck scales and then getting your dom pushed out so that it counts as misfortune. :doh:

[Torgon]

I have unfortunately also learned that lesson the hard way. Mine was in the form of an early Dom kill by a blood sacrificing EA Mictlan. I never saw it coming until it was far too late to do anything about it.

I'm trying something rather strange and unconventional with Man this time. We'll see if it works.

[DarkAvenger211]

Just waiting on Hawk. If he can't submit his pretender by the end of the day today then my friend will take his place (He got his CD key thing worked out now).

[Flop]

I just sent Hawk a PM, just in case he hasn't been reading the topic over the weekend.

[DarkAvenger211]

Thanks. I don't want to kick anyone out :P. But this has been going on forever now.

[Flop]

Yeah, it has taken some time to get underway, and the llamaserver troubles didn't exactly help. :)

[DarkAvenger211]

Ugh it seems to have deleted the game again..

It's up again as NoobTown

[Flop]

My pretender is back up, but we're still missing 3. Let's try to get it moving.

[parone]

i know u guys are trying to get this going, but i ordered the game and should have it in 2 days or so. if u haven't kicked it off yet, i'd love to join. newbies don't get any newer than me...

[DarkAvenger211]

Unfortunately we're full :(

[parone]

no prob. go forth and conquer!!!

[mattyburn7]

Hey Guys. I only have nighttime access for the next couple days. Going to upload my pretender now.

[DarkAvenger211]

Just need Torgon now

[Torgon]

Sorry about that. Just submitted. Hopefully there are no more llama server problems.

[Flop]

Where did the game go? I can't see it on the llamaserver website.

[DarkAvenger211]

Damnit. It deleted it again when it was full. I'll tryto get it up again...

[DarkAvenger211]

I can't create another game with that name so I think it's still in the system somewhere. I contacted llamabeast and he might be able to sort it out.

[Torgon]

I think this game is cursed. Can we just start a new game on llamaserver with a different name?

[DarkAvenger211]

Sure. I'll set one up called TownofNoobs

[DarkAvenger211]

It's up. try again!

[Torgon]

Arrrg. Game is gone again!

[Flop]

What's going on here? Did Llamabeast ever get back to you, DarkAvenger?

[DarkAvenger211]

Not yet. The game might start if we get someone to fill the last spot. Just waiting on that now

[parone]

i know ive asked a bunch of times, but if u need someone to fill a spot, let me know and ill give it a try.

[DarkAvenger211]

The last pretender was just submitted and the game deleted again :S. I posted about this in the llama server troubles thread. maybe we'll get an answer

[mattyburn7]

Server back up..Maybe 3rd (or 4th or 5th) time is the charm.

[Nightfall]

I'm a little concerned that the random map may be causing our problems.

We could go for Aran or Streamlands instead, or I could make a dead seas version of Tyrande II.

[Torgon]

I'm a little concerned that the random map may be causing our problems.

We could go for Aran or Streamlands instead, or I could make a dead seas version of Tyrande II.

I'd be up for streamlands.

[Flop]

I don't know either of those, but I'll go along with whatever you guys decide.

[DarkAvenger211]

Starting it up with one of those maps. The randomness is the fun factor so I don't know which one I'm picking :P. Whatever is small enough for 6 people.

[DarkAvenger211]

It's running up with the name NoobTown3

Picking new map...

[Nightfall]

I'm not really interested in a no independants map, I think I'll withdraw...

Hawk or Parone can have my slot...

Best of luck guys.

[DarkAvenger211]

whoops. Gonna pick something else I didn't know there were no indies.

This one instead

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=755084

[mattyburn7]

Looks like we are waiting on 2 Pretenders?

[Torgon]

I just submitted. Lets hope we don't have any other problems.

[Torgon]

And after many attempts it looks like we're running. Good luck everyone.

[DarkAvenger211]

We don't have everyone that was here last time I think. It doesn't matter much to me I just want to make sure everyone's accounted for>

We have Me
Torgon
Matty

And 3 others. please post here with what you're playing

[mattyburn7]

Yep. I'm in with Agartha

[Flop]

I'm still Pythium.

[DarkAvenger211]

The only one not accounted for is Ashdod. Who is playing that?

[Nightfall]

I submitted Abysia... sigh, it's not a good idea to play with an unknown player, it's causes significant problems.

[Flop]

Maybe we should try sending Ashdod an email? You've written Arco in the first post, btw. :)

[Torgon]

Whomever is playing Ashdod, it appears that we have a boarder. Just to avoid unnecessary complications (like us killing each other's expansion forces) I'l like to propose a boarder. You can have deep forest and the Icthyid settlement there and I'll take Dendra Nigra. What do you say?

[Nightfall]

Whomever is playing Ashdod, it appears that we have a boarder. Just to avoid unnecessary complications (like us killing each other's expansion forces) I'l like to propose a boarder. You can have deep forest and the Icthyid settlement there and I'll take Dendra Nigra. What do you say?

I strongly suggest cancelling the game and starting again, an unknown player is much more likely to go AI badly, stall or exploit.

[Flop]

Whomever is playing Ashdod, it appears that we have a boarder. Just to avoid unnecessary complications (like us killing each other's expansion forces) I'l like to propose a boarder. You can have deep forest and the Icthyid settlement there and I'll take Dendra Nigra. What do you say?

I strongly suggest cancelling the game and starting again, an unknown player is much more likely to go AI badly, stall or exploit.

I agree, although I think DarkAvenger should try contacting him first, and ask him to introduce himself in this thread. If he doesn't respond, I vote we cancel.

[Torgon]

As much as I hate to start the process over again, I agree as well. If he doesn't pipe up we should start again.

[mattyburn7]

I agree also

[Torgon]

So I just received a message from him in game, so he is communicating. I'll send a message back telling him to come to the forum.

Unless everyone else has already stopped playing in anticipation of us restarting, if that's the case lets go ahead and restart anyway.

[DarkAvenger211]

Sorry guys. I missed the messages in the thread. Arco was supposed to be my friend joining in. But he didn't That's why I don't know who Ashdod is.

[Flop]

So I just received a message from him in game, so he is communicating. I'll send a message back telling him to come to the forum.

Unless everyone else has already stopped playing in anticipation of us restarting, if that's the case lets go ahead and restart anyway.

Well, I've submitted my turn, and so have 3 others, so I think we should give it a chance, at least to let him get that message from you. If he doesn't respond after the next turn is sent out, then we should probably restart.

[Torgon]

Still haven't received any word from him, and he should have gotten my message on this turn (which he submitted yesterday). Hate to say it but we should probably restart.

[mattyburn7]

I'm fine with a restart

[Flop]

Yeah, I think he's had plenty of time to join this thread, and since he hasn't, I don't think I want to play with him. So I guess a restart is in order.

Maybe your friend can join this one, DarkAvenger?

[Torgon]

And now he is attacking me without any communication, fantastic. Given that he's recruiting indies I think I shouldn't have to much trouble fighting him off, but its still rather annoying.

[mattyburn7]

I think 3 of us are in for a restart.
Nightfall and Darkavenger. Do you agree also?

[silentkota]

Hi! I play for Ashdod. I'm sorry but my account was activated on the forum just now.

[Torgon]

Great. Guess we don't have to restart. Can you enable private messages? or come to the IRC channel?

[silentkota]

Yes, now I can write private messages. I apologize immediately for agresivny style at an early stage if it causes any problems. Did not know what's taken to declare war. )

[Torgon]

Looks like your still not set up to receive messages. Just want to talk to you about why your current path is probably not wise for either of us.

[Flop]

Well, this is a nice surprise. Welcome to the forums. :)

[DarkAvenger211]

Looks like we're good then. Thank god cause I really did not want to restart

[Nightfall]

Would anyone like to trade a small number of water gems, say 5 or 10, for a like number of my air gems.

[Flop]

Haha, it's like Hannibal crossing the Alps...WITH HYDRAS!

[Torgon]

So its not a huge surprise, but Ashdod just went AI.

[DarkAvenger211]

I kind of figured. He was being attacked by me and one other I think. I accidentally met the other army attacking him by accident :P

[Flop]

Right, so I guess silentkota is not to be included in future games. Maybe we should have restarted, after all...

[Torgon]

Ehhh... its not that bad. He was in a pretty hopeless situation, and wouldn't have been able to do that much to resist anyway. I just got a seige on his capital (and only fort), and he was being attacked by both Ulm and Argatha as well. And he only had two mages in the capital at the time so he wouldn't even of had the option of racing up conj for some quick defenders.

I would place a be wary sticker on him, but I wouldn't go so far as not allowing him in any other games.

[Flop]

Ehhh... its not that bad. He was in a pretty hopeless situation, and wouldn't have been able to do that much to resist anyway. I just got a seige on his capital (and only fort), and he was being attacked by both Ulm and Argatha as well. And he only had two mages in the capital at the time so he wouldn't even of had the option of racing up conj for some quick defenders.

I would place a be wary sticker on him, but I wouldn't go so far as not allowing him in any other games.

Yeah, maybe you're right, but I do think that going AI without warning is a pretty poor move, even if you're certain to lose. But the fact that he just joined a random game on llamaserver is almost as bad, in my opinion, even if he eventually made his way to this thread.

[DarkAvenger211]

Holy christ he left like 70 PD on some of his provinces. Its been taking me soo many turns to take them.

[mattyburn7]

Tell me about it, I chipped away at I think it was 53 for you. Got wiped out there. LOL!

[Torgon]

Yep. I'm looking at 60 PD in one (The one you just bumped into, same thing happened to me the turn before last) and 30 in another.

I almost think that the ridiculous amounts of PD is more of a bad move than the going AI.

Especially with Ashdod's PD. I think I'm just going to wait for him to die from dom kill before I try to take the 60 PD province again.

[Nightfall]

It's possible that defence events were involved...

Guess that's one reason why Ashdod's usually banned...

[DarkAvenger211]

I've lost 2 massive armies trying to take it out. Not to mention PD doesn't get whittled down. Damn.

[DarkAvenger211]

After missing this last turn I think it's time to set the turn time limit to 36 hours. Turns are starting to become longer now anyways

[Torgon]

I'm up for moving to 36 hours.

Also I'd just like to say that this has been a pretty good game so far. Thanks everyone.

[Torgon]

So I hope that abysia realizes that in general, assassination attempts are generally considered against NAPs.

Technically, we still have one in effect. If you want to start fighting go ahead. But at least stay withing the bounds of your own diplomacy.

[Nightfall]

So I hope that abysia realizes that in general, assassination attempts are generally considered against NAPs.

Technically, we still have one in effect. If you want to start fighting go ahead. But at least stay withing the bounds of your own diplomacy.

So is sowing descent with bards and getting caught, consider it just a little tit for tat; although your hypocrisy is amusing.

Oh, and you may consider this notice of the dissolution of our treaty.

[Torgon]

One turn of a little dissent, that I actually broke off immediately, is hardly the same as a mass assassination attempt. But whatever, I wish you luck.

[Flop]

Sorry for holding up the game, guys. I actually played my turn last night, but forgot to send it in. :(

[mattyburn7]

No problem mate at all mate. Cheers!

[Torgon]

All,

I've got some issues to deal with at work. Any chance we can get a 24 hours extension on the current turn?

Thanks

[mattyburn7]

That would be helpful for me also.

[Flop]

It might be a good idea to drop DarkAvenger a PM, just in case he doesn't check this thread by tomorrow.

[Torgon]

I was able to get turn 51 in, but 52 is going to be a challenge. I'll drop darkavenger a PM.

[DarkAvenger211]

somehow I haven't been eliminated yet? I went AI, but that's because I have no territories

[Torgon]

You still have one water province.

Also could I get a 12 hour extension. I apologize. This should be the last one I need for awhile. We just had an emergency at work this week that has been pretty horrendous.

Thanks

[DarkAvenger211]

Just letting you guys know I've passed admin to Torgon. I won't be looking at the thread often so I just thought it would be better if I gave it to Torgon. He should let you know if he needs to postpone hosting or anything like that.

good luck guys!

[mattyburn7]

Thanks very much. Hope to see you in a game soon!

Cheers

[Torgon]

So I should be back to a normal schedule now, and shouldn't need any more extensions.

[Nightfall]

I'm too tired to put in my turn tonight, I'll do it tomorrow, shouldn't need extra time, but if you see this please add 4 hours just so I have some leeway...

[Torgon]

Would you guys be up for changing the hosting interval to 48 hours? There are really only three of us left (sorry pythium), so it will probably go faster, but it would leave us all a little flexibility.

[Nightfall]

Would you guys be up for changing the hosting interval to 48 hours? There are really only three of us left (sorry pythium), so it will probably go faster, but it would leave us all a little flexibility.

Fine with me, having fun even though my forces are outclassed for the moment...

Hanging in there by being a sneaky s.o.b.

[mattyburn7]

THat works for me.

[Flop]

When is someone going to get around to finishing me off, btw?

[Nightfall]

When is someone going to get around to finishing me off, btw?

That's supposed to be mattyburn7's job. ;)

[Flop]

When is someone going to get around to finishing me off, btw?

That's supposed to be mattyburn7's job. ;)

He's slacking off, the bum. :D

[Torgon]

Would you guys be up for changing the hosting interval to 48 hours? There are really only three of us left (sorry pythium), so it will probably go faster, but it would leave us all a little flexibility.

Fine with me, having fun even though my forces are outclassed for the moment...

Hanging in there by being a sneaky s.o.b.

:)

I thought I was the one that was outclassed. It's definitely been interesting. Especially trying to fight on 4 different fronts at once.

[Torgon]

Would you guys be up for changing the hosting interval to 48 hours? There are really only three of us left (sorry pythium), so it will probably go faster, but it would leave us all a little flexibility.

Fine with me, having fun even though my forces are outclassed for the moment...

Hanging in there by being a sneaky s.o.b.

:)

I thought I was the one that was outclassed. It's definitely been interesting. Especially trying to fight on 4 different fronts at once.

I also have a very real respect for Abyssia's PD after this game. I don't think I really appreciated how powerful getting an F2 mage with your PD is.

[Nightfall]

I also have a very real respect for Abyssia's PD after this game. I don't think I really appreciated how powerful getting an F2 mage with your PD is.

Yep, best PD in the age, except maybe Ashdod, the salamanders are a little bit hit and miss in effectiveness, but 20 PD only costs a little more than hiring one straight out, and you get him without the aging problems.

It's still not going to repel a serious attack, but they usually cause some attrition.

[Torgon]

THat works for me.

Okay, extended the hosting interval to 48 hours.

[Torgon]

Ghaa!

My internet connection decided to take a break just as I was trying to submit prior to the deadline.

If you guys have a major objection we can just continue on, but I really don't want to have a stale turn at the point. I haven't looked at the new turn file yet. Would you mind if we just rolled back to 60 and resubmit quickly. I have the 2h ready to upload.

[mattyburn7]

I feel your pain and won't complain regardless of what we do. My only concern is I've seen other posts claim that rollbacks can really screw the game up. I haven't seen it and I don't want any stales. I would just hate to see the game screwed up. I'm in a distant 3rd anyway so whatever the 2 of you decide (sorry Pythium :D )

[Nightfall]

Ghaa!

My internet connection decided to take a break just as I was trying to submit prior to the deadline.

If you guys have a major objection we can just continue on, but I really don't want to have a stale turn at the point. I haven't looked at the new turn file yet. Would you mind if we just rolled back to 60 and resubmit quickly. I have the 2h ready to upload.

I replied to your PM before seeing that you had put it in the game thread as well.

I'm happy for you to copy and paste what I said into here so the others can see, I would myself but I didn't save it...

[Nightfall]

While I would be willing to trust you as far as the turn file is concerned, and I wont say no outright, there are 2 real problems with this.

The biggest wins I had this turn were the results of my 2 teleport ambushes, which you couldn't have done anything about with your orders anyway. I'll be _really_ pissed if the results of either of these are different after a rollback.

Secondly, rollbacks have a very high chance of causing game corruption, if you do rollback and it causes _any_ corruption issues, I expect you to suck it up and forfeit the game.

While I understand how you feel about staling at this stage, in general the vets all say that it's better to just deal with it and play on.

To address these

1. So I can't guarantee that the results of your two ambushes wont be different. Obviously there are only a limited number of places in which you could ambush me where it would make a dramatic difference. I'm obviously going to do something in those locations.

2. Honestly don't see why this would be an issue. The game will be over anyway if it corrupts. Not sure why it matters who forfeits.

So if you're willing to accept #1 then we can keep going. If you're not then they seem like fairly hollow victories anyway.

I've included the private replies, as there is no reason I addressed you privately other than that was the first message I saw.

2 is an issue because you are potentially trashing the game with what is, frankly, a pretty selfish request, that puts me in an awkward position.

I'm sorry, but I simply can't condone a rollback for any reason other than for a serious game bug; as I would never ask for or expect one. I am a little confused that you don't seem to get that it's a big deal.

As a note, the staled turn wasn't entirely good for me, the fact that several of your troops didn't move when I expected them to has caused me a few problems too.

[mattyburn7]

Fortunately I have not been in a position yet where I've been impacted like this. But everytime I have seen it, the players are genuinely sad for what happened and wish it could be undone, but the consensus, particularly because of the corruption problem, is to move forward as-is.

I try to look at it this way. In war sometimes bad luck and good luck and bizarre things happens. This falls into that category. I hope I can look at it the same way if/when it happens to me.

At the end of the day its a game. So I'm going to be fine either way, but the precedent from other games has been to just keep going.

Cheers.

[Flop]

I really wish someone would just knock me out of this game already. :D

But since no one has, I'm just going to chime in and say that I've also heard horror stories of roll backs ruining games. I have no idea how rare this is, and roll backs do still occur in many games. Anyway, in my opinion Torgon should be granted a roll back, if he feels it's important enough. Generally, though, I don't think a single staled turn should warrant a roll back. If you do decide to do a roll back, it's important, that Torgon does his turn in a gentlemanly fashion, not taking into account any moves the other players have made (obviously).

Also, as Nightbringer said, if the roll back does screw up the game, it should probably count as a victory for him (or Matty, I don't know who's leading).

That's just my two cents. Ultimately, it's up to you guys to decide.

[Nightfall]

I have no idea how rare this is, and roll backs do still occur in many games.

I've been in 2 games before that attempted rollbacks, in both cases the game was abandoned within 3 turns of the rollback. Both had issues introduced by the rollback; although in the first case the main problem was the original bug.

[Nightfall]

Since Torgon has 3 stales now, but has had no problems posting and admining another game; I'm pretty much assuming that he has spat the dummy.

What do you guys want to do?

[mattyburn7]

I am willing to concede or play on. Either way. There is no way I will win or deserve to win. Man has kicked my butt in every battle. Pythium destroyed me in the one and only battle and I couldn't finish him off. I have no doubt Abysia would too!!

To me it was a battle between Man and Abysia. I will concede unless you want some target practice in which case I promise to fight the best that I can.

[Nightfall]

Man has kicked my butt in every battle.

I agree that his main armies were tactically the best I've ever seen, great composition, placement and scripting, and first turn fog warriors on the W9 blessed wardens makes them almost unbeatable.

Strategically though 3 or 4 main armies only hold 3 or 4 provinces, so my strategy was to attack everywhere that he is not, and let my global kill all his deployed mages in his main armies.

Also got a couple of mage teams able to first turn iron bane and rain of stones those big armies if they try to attack anywhere crucial, which was the best way I could think of to inflict massive casualties on them.

[Nightfall]

I am willing to concede or play on. Either way. There is no way I will win or deserve to win. Man has kicked my butt in every battle. Pythium destroyed me in the one and only battle and I couldn't finish him off. I have no doubt Abysia would too!!

To me it was a battle between Man and Abysia. I will concede unless you want some target practice in which case I promise to fight the best that I can.

Okay, if there are no objections I'll shut the game down tonight, since I suspect that's what Flop would prefer. ;)

Was good to play with both of you, and thanks for the game.

Sorry I went for you first Flop, but Strands of Arcane Power was always the core of my strategy this game, and I had to get rid of those archtheurges before I could put it up.

[mattyburn7]

Cheers,

Was a good learning experience. This was my 2nd full MP game and I've got to admit I feel more comfortable with this one and Noobaphobia under the belt.

Flop: I appreciate the tip about having at least 1 PD (THat was in Noobaphobia).

Nightfall. We are both in team game. Look forward to playing you there.

Flop. I probably won't survive Noobaphobia much longer. Hopefully we can get in a game elsewhere.

Torgon: Having fun in March Madness.

Cheers folks!

[Flop]

Thanks for the game guys, even if I was knocked out quite fast. :)

I'm definitely up for another, sometime, although right now I should probably limit myself to the two I'm already in. Turns are starting to take a while to do. :)

edit: and congratulations on the win, Nightfall!

[Torgon]

So just want to apologize to you guys. In all honesty after I stalled on that turn, I just got pretty demoralized as wasn't really up for continuing a losing game against abyssia. Since it was pretty much down to just me and him.

I still never even looked at that turn. I had spent a significant chunk of time testing out a perfect counter strat to what I was pretty sure was going to happen.

Not really an excuse for it, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

Overall, I think it was a great game. And nightfall, you played really well. Strands is a huge pain in the rear if the mage casting it is powerful enough, and I'm guessing yours was.

Just to let you know what I was going to do so you can expect it the next time you play Man, even though you didn't see it here.

I'm guessing you teleported a couple anti-SC onto my air queens or fire king. What I was planning was to simultaneously Cloud trap two crones into each province with one of my super combatants.

Crones cast flight, swarm, attack one turn, song of power. Boom, everyone turns into birds. As long as its two crones you have almost a 100% success rate against even fully decked out Chayots. Less than a Chayot and you only need one crone. You need two because the fire shield knocks out the dragon flies pretty fast so he often gets one shot and kills a crone before the song goes off. Swarm is for two reasons, one, locks down the anti sc so he cant get close to the asset your trying to protect, two keeps him off the crone so they have a chance to cast.

[Nightfall]

Crones cast flight, swarm, attack one turn, song of power. Boom, everyone turns into birds. As long as its two crones you have almost a 100% success rate against even fully decked out Chayots.

Probably would have worked, although crones can kill themselves on fire shield pretty easily as well, not sure that trading 2 cap mages and an SC for an SC is worth it for anything other than the Chayot in the long run though; and all of those exposed crones would be quite yummy too. ;)

I'm assuming that wishing away the SoDM must have shut down your tart production more effectively than I expected.

[Torgon]

No, I already had one lich up and running with another on the way.

And you just loose the 2 crones. That's the point of the swarm cast, keeps them away from your own SC. And two crones are definitely worth the price of most SCs. Really not a whole lot you need them for that mother can't do as well once you have some summons up and running. Mother with a mace can cast all the big nature buffs. Except blessing of Gaia, but just bring along a treant for that. Air or fairy Queens can cast the Air buffs. Once research is done if you can trade a few slow, old, fragile crones for some decked out SC it not a bad trade. Even if you lose a bunch of them in the process.

Definitely not a long term strategy in any way shape of form, but to pull as a surprise move on an unsuspecting opponent dropping a number of SC's on you it can be a rather rude awakening.

[Flop]

Wait, is this game still on? If so, I'm sorry that I staled last turn, but I thought we were done.

[Torgon]

Nope. I'm conceding to Abyssia.

[Flop]

Ah, alright. That's what I thought. No reason to send in any more turns then, right? I'm just asking because I wasn't expecting to receive any new turn files from llamaserver.

Also, thanks for the game guys. It was fun to begin with, until I made an *** of myself got pounded into the ground (that was sort of fun, too, though). :D

Special thanks to DarkAvenger for setting up the game, and Nightfall for taking over admin duties. :)

[DarkAvenger211]

So who won in the end? :P

[mattyburn7]

Abysia/Nightfall - Congrats!