Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Sometimes I come across improvements to weapons such as rifle scopes etc, mod changes to weapons, new weapons and organizational changes to a countries infantry makeup such as the one posted Pg. 8 Post #77 in the Jets & Planes Thread concerning Australia's BEERSHEBA Program. Some of these might be useful to you game design folks, others for possible inclusion into the game if warranted based on the information given in general and others will now be included on my Patch Page as well of which I already have my first one for next year. Though my dad served in the USA from 1941 to 1969 and was everywhere the USA was "active" from Italy, Austria, Korea to the NAM and never really much talked about those "exotic" places I'll never fully understand the "ground pounder" mentality, though some would say "bubble-heads" are just mental. Anyway I have a better understanding of things that go clank, boom, swish, and whump. So I leave it to those that are or were to decide the usefulness of this information that reside in our WinSPMBT/WinSPWW2 world.

First up is the Russian formally known as the AK-200, now the AK-12. The AK-12 was designed for the export market but now with a significant increase in defence spending over the next few years the Russian military/police is currently evaluating it for the army. Besides the standard ability to shoot the "other guys" ammo apparently it'll be able to mount their grenade launchers as well.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2839:russia-izmash-launches-new-ak-12-assault-rifle&catid=1:europe&Itemid=57
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/26-01-2012/120338-kalashnikov_ak_12-0/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2012/russia-120126-rianovosti01.htm
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120126/170971385.html

The USA to withdraw two BCTs over the next two years from Europe.
http://www.janes.com/products/janes/defence-security-report.aspx?ID=1065932248&channel=defence&subChannel=land

Mr. Carl-Gustaf M3 joins the USA for the first time.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/30204/

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

From the way that is written it implies this is the first time ANY Carl-Gustaf has been used by US forces.


This marks the first time the Army has bought the 84mm recoilless rifle system.


Do you read it that way or just for the M3 system because if this is the FIRST time any version of the CG has been used by US forces I have a bit of adjusting to do in the US OOB.

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don and others,
It is to replace the AT-4/M136 currently used by SOCOM (Except SEALS.) and regular USA units. However the Carl-Gustaf M3 RANGER has already been in use exclusively with some US Special Operations (SEALS) and Ranger units only to date. Used most notably in Afghanistan with the use of the HEDP round. USA regular units might also use the ADM flechette round as well. The 3rd ref. gives 1990 as the date of fielding with the Rangers which seems early by a year as I believe the M3 did not become available until 1991 and is supported by ref. 4 last month from army.mil as to when it fielded as well.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/RAWS-Too-US-Army-Orders-Carl-Gustav-M3-07220/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m3-maws.htm
http://www.armyranger.com/index.php/history/weapons/anti-tank/carl-gustav
http://www.army.mil/article/72402/_Carl_Gustaf__weapon_extends_Soldiers__lethal_reac h/

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

The USMC experimented with the Carl-Gustaf in the 80's before it was decided to go with the SMAW.
No doubt a Made in the U.S.A. weapon got far more support from whatever congressman's district it's made in then any furrin weapon could hope for.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

The break down of the refs. seems to be in order. But for the first date a caveat will be brought up to "muddy the waters" because of the use of the terms like "it has been in the inventory since 1989" or 1990 pick one, what you expected this to be easy? Hardly is around here at times.

1. USA Rangers JAN. 1991 soonest however; Para 10 of the again posted ref. below indicated the USA found flaws with the fatigue data from the manufacturer and ordered further tests in the States and Sweden, if this is taken into account, would the units on hand be kept in storage or remain in the field? If pulled from the field then JAN. 1994 makes more sense. Only 50-75 or so tubes were availble for use and apparently only used by the Rangers for SpecOps.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m3-maws.htm

2. USN SEALS JAN. 1997. SOLID. The rest of SOCOM units there is no date except for #3 below.

3. USA Regular and rest of SOCOM units JAN. 2012. SOLID.

Current rounds used are the HEDP and HE (50M-75M blast radius.) ones only at this time.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---11/US-Army-Places-First-Order-for-Saabs-Carl-Gustaf/

And this started as just a general purpose article! :doh: with a hardy
:banghead ! The price of posting. ;)

Back to the MARX brothers, Horse Feathers!

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Did you ever wonder how many 50 cal. rounds it would take to penetrate eight inches of concrete or take out a log emplacement? Or how to fire a TOW safely from inside a building? Well the USA has tested it all to include the use of these and other weapons in an urban environment etc. The easy reading is over for today and you and some of you game designers might just go...HMmm. Or not!?! Anyway good info here for all with lots of tables to correlate the data with, class is now in session.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-06-11/ch7.htm

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

I did see a Dragon gunner once do a top attack on a range by firing over a building then yanking the launcher down at the last moment causing the missile to dive.

Amazing some of the stuff a person that REALLY has a feel for their weapon can do at times.

[Mobhack]

I did see a Dragon gunner once do a top attack on a range by firing over a building then yanking the launcher down at the last moment causing the missile to dive.

Amazing some of the stuff a person that REALLY has a feel for their weapon can do at times.

Ah! - Dragon gets you noticed (and not in a good way :))!

Andy

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well again this not an area I normally delve into though I have a couple of items that would require more time then what I have now from the ATGM world. One is easy just a matter of transferring an item from one OOB to the next. The next is Russia has made it's long awaited decision on which new assault rifle it's troops will get, that's more for FYI purposes I would think. So with this offering in the normal format, we'll see what happens...

A1. UKRAINE/ADD/JAN 2015/BARRETT MK 82 A3 SASR w/TI/GSR and w/o TI/GSR all Scoped/USE USA UNITS 252 and 250 for raw data/C2 (Spotter) and C1 .// Ukraine is reported to have bought at least 400 units of this rifle with no other variant mentioned. These rifles are for use by their special forces and regular military units. Unless there is time, recommend just putting them in with the Sniper "section" your call if taken for action. I've got both Russian (Sputnik the former RIA Novosti) and Ukrainian sources and more familiar ones. I put credence to their presence based on Sputniks reporting because this is the first news stop in Russian sourcing on military matters.
http://sputniknews.com/military/20141212/1015794026.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/december_2014_global_defense_security_news_uk/ukrinmash_of_ukraine_has_signed_an_agreement_with_ barrett_to_supply_weapons_to_ukrainian_army_131214 .html
http://slavaukraine.net/en/news/latest-news/1106-ukroboronprom-signed-a-contract-with-the-american-barrett-firearms-on-the-supply-of-arms.html
http://news.rin.ru/eng/news///78578/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e05_1419955321
http://www.gunsandweapons.net/barrett-m107-m82a3-sasr/
http://barrett.net/firearms

Again Russia selects it's new assault rifle.
http://www.janes.com/article/48463/russia-selects-new-assault-rifles

Thank You for your consideration.

Time to get ready...have a great day!

Regards,
Pat

[dmnt]

Finland picks M72A4 LAW replacement... M72E9 LAW. Local designation 66 KES 12, also fielded M72A6, local designation 66 KES 12 RAK. Both are license built by Nammo. Material was received in early 2013 and training started in 2014.
Ruotuväki conscript magazine, p. 12 (http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/wcm/0e333a004eca8e2785eeefc01f5a8502/Ruotu+5_2013+low.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=0e333a004eca8e2785eeefc01f5a8502)

FDF info (in Finnish) (http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/portal/puolustusvoimat.fi/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3h3IzMLDy8DQ0t3Qz8LA0 __kAAj9yA3A4swU6B8JJK8v7evE1DexyDM3CfA0NnCiBLdBobE 6DYzdvV29XM3MXQPcDYx8Ax2CbUMCTU3dg81o8Bu_yBzArrDQS GF3-f45EF-A8njcz0e_WD3geQNcABHA30_j_zcVP2C3NDQ0AiDTM8sE0UAPN 3fbA!!/dl3/d3/L0lDU0NTQ1FvS1VRIS9JSFNBQ0lLRURNeW01dXBnLzRDMWI4SW tmb2lUSUJLUVEvN19HMjY4SEowMTlHMU44MElPVFAyR1JGME9N Ny9XQ01fQ09OVEVYVC8lMHN1K3B1b2x1c3R1c3ZvaW1hdC5maS UwcHVvbHVzdHVzdm9pbWF0LmZpJTBydW90dXZha2ktbGVodGkl MHBpa2F1dXRpc2V0JTB1dWRlbit0YWlzdGVsdXRhdmFuK2phK2 thbHVzdG9uK2VzaWlubWFyc3Np/)

[dmnt]

Whops, meant M72 EC LAW Mk.I and M72 ASM RC as the designations, 66 KES 12 RAK being the ASM RC version.

[dmnt]

FDF buys FN SCAR for Special Jaegars: 300-500 rifles mostly for special forces, crisis management units and to some extent national defence. FN SCAR has the ability to use all the current optical aim assistance devices (red dot, vision enhancers).

Also in the newspiece: all Sako assault rifles model 95 are to be equipped with optical aims.

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/a1424430676159 (in Finnish)

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well to follow up "dmnt"...
Always been a fan of FN and H&K but Finland has made the buy as noted in the previous Post. They will also include a grenade launcher as well and as noted in the below ref. I think with the lead time of this order and size, I would think the Finnish Spec Op units should have these by JUL 2015.
http://www.janes.com/article/49545/finland-selects-fn-scar-l-for-its-special-forces

Next the Russians are back pedaling on earlier reports they had selected the AK-12. It seems we're right back where we started with the competition still between the AK-12 & A-545. I feel the bottomline here will be a split order to keep both manufacturers operating. But whata I know?
http://www.janes.com/article/49157/russian-army-to-trial-both-ak-12-and-a-545-rifles

We've been hearing the military might go to a heavier cal. sidearm than what we carry maybe it'll be the new BARRETA in a .40 Cal? Makes a good "home defense" weapon though I think I would still prefer a 1911 .45 Cal myself. Anyway take a look...
http://www.janes.com/article/49203/idex-2015-beretta-takes-the-wraps-off-its-striker-fired-apx

Well it appears we're about to catch with the rest of the world in the actual tubes we use in the 60mm, 81mm and 120mm mortar category.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/us_army_s_benet_laboratories_unveiled_new_extended-range_120mm_mortar_ballistic_test_cannon.html

The French are still on track with the MMP ATGW as MBDA completes
the 2nd test firing of the weapon. It's a "shoot and forget" weapon that will replace the MILAN systems of the French Army.
http://www.janes.com/article/48940/france-completes-first-mmp-firing-trials
http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsmbda-completes-second-test-launch-of-mmp-combat-missile-4514425

Have a great end of week! It'll be my "Hump Day" but I'm still waiting to see that camel!?!

Regards,
Pat

[dmnt]

FDF confirms, Stinger (local designation ItO 15) in conscript training. Picture from Karelia Brigade: https://twitter.com/STRATMIL/status/581400680923045888

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well some near term item(s) to come or go...

GERMANY: Could be giving up on the "G36" rifle, not sure of effects currently within the game and a little beyond where I venture in this realm of equipment.
http://www.janes.com/article/50946/germany-defence-minister-sees-no-future-for-g36
FYI/TRACK.

LEBANON: You'll be seeing items for this country just about across the board from me. France is definitely one of the largest contributors to the rearming of Lebanon, this just one example of it.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april_2015_global_defense_security_news_uk/france_delivers_first_48_milan_anti-tank_missiles_atgm_to_lebanese_army.html
ALSO
BGM-71 TOW II already delivered as well.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_2015_global_defense_security_news_uk/lebanese_army_receives_u.s._bgm-71_tow_ii_anti-tank_guided_missiles_atgm_30206151.html
BOTH ARE ADDS.

PHILIPPINES: Their Marines will be retiring the M-14 sniper rifles with the new M40 sniper rifles as used by the USMC. The deal was done with the exception of "how many", it's possible they have them now based on the date of the article. I would think they'll be receiving the A5 as the A3 was withdrawn in 2009.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2015_global_defense_security_news_industry/philippines_marine_troops_to_replace_m14_sniper_ri fles_with_new_m40_7.62mm_platform.html
TRACK/ADD.

RUSSIA: Kalashnikov unveils its first RWS.
http://www.janes.com/article/52459/kalashnikov-unveils-its-first-rws
TRACKING.

SOUTH AFRICA: Making those 40mm grenades juusst a little bit better,
http://www.janes.com/article/50955/atlantis-develops-long-range-40-mm-grenade
FYI.

Just a taste and a little clean up.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

This next good general information for the future, however, it's what's in the last para that might be of immediate value for next years patch.
http://www.janes.com/article/58800/british-army-to-review-use-of-belt-fed-weapons-and-light-mortars

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[scorpio_rocks]

http://www.janes.com/article/58800/british-army-to-review-use-of-belt-fed-weapons-and-light-mortars


Is there anyway to read the article without an account?

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Unfortunately no. They set it up enough (article) to give you the gist of the topic in the hopes you'll subscribe. However this is enough to be useful for my purposes as I'll start looking into my other sources for further information. Sorry.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Unless you find it by down loading from the below ref. possibly the middle PDF download nothing from MOD yet to include the section the next was taken from though I was surprised to see it as a standard small unit issued weapon.
http://www.army.mod.uk/structure/33449.aspx
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23225.aspx

I'll stay on it as at some point this would lead to game based changes. Maybe you can look into the game units if they comply to the JANE'S weapons compliment as noted in Post #16?

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Posted elsewhere but certainly belongs here as well.
http://www.janes.com/article/59701/uk-and-france-activate-joint-expeditionary-force

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[Suhiir]

The real question is: just how large and well equipped this joint British-French force is. A non-reinforced battalion might make for a useful light rapid response force but without some artillery, armor, air support, and most importantly self-contained logistics it's really just a political gambit.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Picture did show British Troops with A French LeCLERC tank.
We'll get more on it's composition soon I would think.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well this is a start the new unit will involve land, sea and air assets the next will break some og this down.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-welcomes-deployable-uk-france-joint-force--2
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-36104736
http://www.army.mod.uk/structure/28209.aspx

Not having much luck with the 7th mech brigade. I can say it was part of the EUROCON force. If some pictures can be believed it seems a mix of Paras and Legionaries with armor.

JEAN-CLAUDE I can use you here if your looking in.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[Suhiir]

5,000 warm bodies? Sounds like a small (2 Bn) Brigade, but that sort of makes sense as I presume both the Brits and French probably each sent a Battalion.

[Airborne Rifles]

US Army is fielding the Carl Gustav MAAWS to IBCTs starting this year: http://www.janes.com/article/60331/us-army-approves-carl-gustaf-m3-maaws-for-general-use. Previously these were only in the Ranger battalions.

The article says they will be organic to each rifle platoon, which I'm sure means an arms room concept, i.e. The weapons squad can carry either the Javelins or the Gustavs, or a mix of one and one.

[DRG]

US Army is fielding the Carl Gustav MAAWS to IBCTs starting this year: http://www.janes.com/article/60331/us-army-approves-carl-gustaf-m3-maaws-for-general-use. Previously these were only in the Ranger battalions.

The article says they will be organic to each rifle platoon, which I'm sure means an arms room concept, i.e. The weapons squad can carry either the Javelins or the Gustavs, or a mix of one and one.

you will find this issued to US 425 - Rifle Squad - uClass 001 : slot 4 - Available 01/112 to 12/125

plus mech rifle sections, scout teams and even NG starting 2014


Don

[Suhiir]

Wonder why they didn't just get SMAWs like the USMC uses.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

This is where I generally put weapons news by themselves to keep them from "muddy up" the other threads. Anyway this is the SPIKE ATGW I mentioned in my last post from last night in the APC Thread. Called the SPIKE LR II...
http://www.janes.com/article/70874/rafael-advances-fifth-generation-spike-variant
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rafael-unveils-deadlier-precision-missile-with-more-armor-penetration/
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/184009/rafael-unveils-spike-lr-ii-battlefield-missile.html

Time to get ready to start the work week, have a great day.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[Imp]

This is where I generally put weapons news by themselves to keep them from "muddy up" the other threads. Anyway this is the SPIKE ATGW I mentioned in my last post from last night in the APC Thread. Called the SPIKE LR II...
http://www.janes.com/article/70874/rafael-advances-fifth-generation-spike-variant
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rafael-unveils-deadlier-precision-missile-with-more-armor-penetration/
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/184009/rafael-unveils-spike-lr-ii-battlefield-missile.html

Time to get ready to start the work week, have a great day.

Regards,
Pat


:capt:

Well that might go someway to explaining why vision aids are improving by switching from a cooled to an uncooled IR sensor
No expert but I thought cooling them helped quality a lot, if so looks like technology marches on.

[DRG]

That boosts the game range to 110 and HEAT pen to 104. I have added it to the Israeli Weapons but it's not mated to a unit as of yet

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

By way of an update, I believe one of the refs indicated that the SPIKE LR II will be available to the export market sometime in 2018, that makes think latter 2017 still looks good for IDF. Well hell you know I'm watching it.

Are we concerning ourselves with major assault rifle buys? Lot's going on in this area now.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

It is now official, another Canadian sniper (Joint Task Force 2) has just shattered the longest distance confirmed sniper kill. What does this mean? Well as far as the top five distance confirmed kills go, Canada :first: owns the show with now three followed by the UK and America. OVER TWO MILES/OR 3,450 Meters with a ten second flight time. Bad day to be an ISIS fighter.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/report-record-2-mile-sniper-shot-kills-isis-militant-in-iraq/ar-BBD1Qjl?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U270DHP

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[DRG]

I may need to tweak the experience values for the Canadian snipers..............:D

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

TRACKING: The IDF isn't waiting based on current op eval, they are satisfied enough to have put in an order now. This will significantly move up the planned production phase of the SPIKE LR II. Look for POSSIBLE deployment by JUN 2018. Highlights increased range and now we know why, taken out cooling tank for the laser as deemed no longer required in another words the enhanced the laser and increased armor pen with new tandem warhead.
http://www.janes.com/article/75195/idf-places-first-spike-lr-ii-missile-order

Just checked all my other sources...JANE's has the "news scoop" SO FAR ON THE TOPIC.

Gotta Go!!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[redcoat2]

TRACKING: The IDF isn't waiting based on current op eval, they are satisfied enough to have put in an order now. This will significantly move up the planned production phase of the SPIKE LR II. Look for POSSIBLE deployment by JUN 2018. Highlights increased range and now we know why, taken out cooling tank for the laser as deemed no longer required in another words the enhanced the laser and increased armor pen with new tandem warhead.
http://www.janes.com/article/75195/idf-places-first-spike-lr-ii-missile-order

Just checked all my other sources...JANE's has the "news scoop" SO FAR ON THE TOPIC.

:capt:

To be fair I posted this 'news scoop' on this forum before it was on the Janes site.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=51730 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=51730)

I would have posted the Janes link if it had been available at the time. So our forum was ahead of Janes on this occasion. :D

[Imp]

Would not surprise me if the majority of them are added to the Namer remote turret.

[redcoat2]

Looks like the U.S. Marine Corps is planning to collaborate with the U.S. Army to purchase the Carl Gustav MAAWS.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/11/07/marines-eye-carl-gustaf-replace-smaw-bunker-breaching.html

[Suhiir]

Looks like the U.S. Marine Corps is planning to collaborate with the U.S. Army to purchase the Carl Gustav MAAWS.
Don't think this will come to much.

There are 2xSMAWs per Rifle Platoon already, so two of the three Rifle Squads already have a bunker buster/AT weapon the third squad often winds up with a Javelin.

[redcoat2]

After several years of testing, U.S. Marines have fielded the updated Mk 153 Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon, or SMAW Mod 2.

The new version of the shoulder-fired bunker buster was fielded to II Marine Expeditionary Force in November and is being fielded to I MEF this month, according to Barbara Hamby, a spokeswoman for Marine Corps Systems Command.

“SMAW Mod 2 improvements increase system accuracy, reliability and maintainability, and increase gunner survivability,” Hamby said.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/01/09/marines-finally-field-the-smaw-mod-2/

[redcoat2]

AGS-40 GL. Maybe this year.

ZVEZDA and Interfax have said that the Russian military is expected to adopt the 40mm AGS-40 “Balkan” automatic grenade launcher sometime this year.

Links in Russian:

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201801100905-szxt.htm

https://defence.ru/article/granatomet-ags-40-balkan-primut-na-vooruzhenie-v-2018-godu/

The AGS-40 was originally expected to enter service in 2017. It has been claimed that it was tested in the field in Syria.

[DRG]

now entered

[Suhiir]

And it seems the USMC is going back to the 13-man Engineer Squad from the current 9-man one.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/01/04/corps-will-expand-combat-engineer-squads/

The changes never stop!

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

First before the "BIG" thing...
UKRAINE/ADD/JAVELIN-JV/LATEST AT VERSION/START JUN 2018/COPY USA/UNIT 078//Progression of this weapon is the JAVELIN/JAVELIN Blk. 1 w/ (Improved sights, FCS, Smaller Wt. reduction)/JAVELIN-JV (Same as previous w/much improved frequency oscillation to "confuse" MBT defensive systems (Anti-jamming etc.) larger Wt. reduction and improved FCS which might require an adjustment to TI/GSR for further investigation. All have direct fire capability against troops, caves and bunkers improved as the type has.) & JAVELIN-F (Still in OPEVAL Status. This version will be FCS supported for both Direct and AT Fire missions. However the deployment of this version does have a limitation in that it supposedly will be slightly less effective against NEWER MBT's. I'm not saying it won't kill them but the odds might be decreased. All other's like Med./or "older" MBT's, IFV's etc. should be unaffected. Much improved against infantry, bunkers, caves and such over previous mods.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2019_global_defense_security_army_news_ind ustry/raytheon-lockheed_joint_venture_awarded_javelin-f_missile_contract.html
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/pilum-high-the-javelin-anti-armor-missile-03440/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/us-moves-forward-ukraine-fgm-148-javelin-anti-tank/
https://www.rferl.org/a/javelin-missile-delivery-ukraine-us-confirmed/29200588.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a14532152/the-us-is-sending-deadly-javelin-missiles-to-ukraine/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-jevelin/ukraine-receives-u-s-javelin-systems-poroshenko-idUSKBN1I11ZY
https://www.defensenews.com/flashpoints/2018/05/23/for-first-time-ukraine-showcases-its-american-made-javelin-missiles/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/1/advanced-us-missile-system-arrives-ukraine/

The next for you "WiKi-Knights" is why I don't use Wikipedia (Or whatever). I might just go on there and ADD the Ukrainian T-REX MBT but, I just remembered someone already had! I believe it's since been removed after someone "called them out" on it. It's my VERY LAST RESORT of well, my last resorts.

Now I really want to demonstrate the potential of this next Ref. SIPRI and the data that's available to you. For you Scenario and Campaign builders this I would recommend, should be a final check to ensure the equipment involved was really available for what you're presenting, it least if I were doing so.

I'm also using it for verification and as has been seen with my recommendations concerning the T-90S tanks in the MBT Thread, it's "blown up" what we thought about their ATGM capabilities.

So what I'm presenting are the sales from generally the "Top 3" sellers of ATGM Systems France, Russia and the United States. My search is limited to 2000-2017 and the focus is primarily with the countries Don noted on the KORNET ATGM as posted in the MBT Thread dated 02/17/2019.

NOTE: Delivery Dates and Weapons/Updated Versions are highlighted.. Lacking any specific dates I'll normally use the FIRST YEAR (OR JUST YEAR OF in some cases below.) of delivery and set the START DATE for either JUN/or OCT of that year based on my perception of the users military quality and training standards (I'll normally at least "scratch the surface" here in researching this stuff as needed.). I know it's an "educated guess" at best but if you have NOTHING else it'll be close as has been demonstrated many times in the past when "hard data" becomes available sometimes years later. I think Don and some others can back me up on this to some degree. We do what we can with what we have.

Seller FRANCE:

Recipient(s):
India:

(22250) MILAN Anti-tank missile (1979) 1984-2017 (21600) MILAN-2 and MILAN-2T version; ordered from French-FRG company; most produced in India; incl for BMP-2 IFV

Greece:

2770 MILAN Anti-tank missile 1998 1999-2001 2770 Designation uncertain (They're not going to BS you if they don't have the data.)

Saudi Arabia:

(100) MILAN Anti-tank missile (2013) 2014 (100) For use on M-ATV armoured vehicles

Seller RUSSIA:

Recipient(s):
India:

(25000) 9M113 Konkurs/AT-5 Anti-tank missile (1988) 1992-2016 (25000) For BMP-2 IFV; ordered from Soviet Union and produced under Russian licence after break-up of Soviet Union; incl 9M113M version from 2003

25000 9M119 Svir/AT-11 Anti-tank missile 2013 2014-2017 (4500) INR30 b ($474 m) deal; for T-90 and possibly T-72 tanks; incl 15000 produced in India; planned from 2006 but delayed several years due to problems with production in India; Indian designation Invar (You know kind've backs me up on their T-90 tanks.)

(1500) 9A1472 Vikhr/AT-16 Anti-tank missile (2000) 2002-2004 (1500) For Mi-17 helicopters

(3000) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2003) 2003-2006 (3000) INR1.5 b deal (incl over 250 launchers); Kornet-E version (Infantry)

10000 9M113 Konkurs/AT-5 Anti-tank missile 2012 2013-2016 (10000) INR12 b ($225 m) deal

Algeria:

(4000) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2005
2006-2010 (4000) For BMP-1 IFV modernized to BMP-1M

(1000) 9M120 Ataka/AT-9 Anti-tank missile 2013 2016-2017 (600) For Mi-28 combat helicopters; designation uncertain (possibly 9M114)

(4000) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2014) 2015-2017 (4000) (Don normally when equipment isn't identified, this would indicate Infantry use, though it doesn't show Launchers as it did with India above. Likely more for the BMP-1M)

Greece:

1100 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2004 (1100) $95 m deal

Jordan: 2000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2008)
2009-2010 (2000) Deal incl also 200 launchers

Morocco: (100) 9M113 Konkurs/AT-5 Anti-tank missile (2000) 2001 (100)
100 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2000) 2001 (100)

Syria:

(1500) 9M119 Svir/AT-11 Anti-tank missile (1998)
2000-2005 (1500) For modernized T-72 tank

(500) 9M131 Metis-M/AT-13 Anti-tank missile (1998) 1999-2001 (500)

(1000)9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2002 2002-2003 (1000)

(250) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2004 2005 (250)

(250) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2005 2006 (250)

UAE:

(200) 9M111 Fagot/AT-4 Anti-tank missile 2007 2008-2009 (200) For use on US supplied HMMWV vehicles
9M111 Fagot/AT-4 Anti-tank missile 2017 AED2.6 b ($709 m) deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'anti-tank guided weapons')
(I'm sure there was an upgrade version sometime in the last few years I thought.)

Uganda:

1000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2010 2012-2013 (1000) Kornet-E version

Seller UNITED STATES:

Recipient(s)
Greece:

(248) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 1998 2000-2001 248 $24 m deal; AGM-114KBF and AGM-114K version; for AH-64A helicopters

(657) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2007) 2009-2011 (657) $66 m deal; 633 AGM-114K1 and 24 AGM-114M1 version

(542) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2015 AGM-114R-3 version; for AH-64 combat helicopters

(812) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2015
AGM-114L-3 version; for AH-64 combat helicopters
(Note version change here.)

Jordan:

(270) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2000 2001-2002 (270) BGM-71E TOW-2A and/or BGM-71F TOW-2B version (possibly incl or only practice TOW-2A missiles)

(562) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2003 (562) BGM-71E TOW-2A version

(116) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2001 2004 (116) $12 m deal (incl 30 launchers)

(400) BGM-71F TOW-2B Anti-tank missile 2002 2003-2004 (400) Part of $52 m deal (for 1689 TOW-2A/TOW-2B for 5 countries)

(100) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2013 2014 (100) Javelin Block-1 version

(50) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2014) 2014 (50) AGM-114K and/or AGM-114M version; for CN-235 ground attack aircraft

(100) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2014 2015 (100) For AT-802 combat aircraft

(10) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2014 2014 (10) Javelin Block-1 version

(200) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2016 2016-2017 (200)

FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2017 (Mine-Pending)

Kuwait:

(188) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2002 2007 (188) Part of $868 m deal (part of larger $2.1 b deal); AGM-114K3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

(96) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2002 2007 (96) Part of $868 m deal (part of larger $2.1 b deal); AGM-114L3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

(1418) BGM-71F TOW-2B Anti-tank missile (2008) 2010-2012 (1418)

(2127) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (2008) 2009-2011 (2127) TOW-2A version

(300) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2013) 2015 (300)

Morocco:

(600) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2016 2017 (300) TOW-2A version; delivery probably 2017-2018

(1200) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2017 (Mine-Pending)

Saudi Arabia:

1827 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2000 2001-2002 (1827) Part of $416 m deal; BGM-71E TOW-2A version; for National Guard

(562) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2003 (562) BGM-71E TOW-2A version

(2742) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (2010) 2011-2013 (2742) $177 m deal; BGM-71E TOW-2A version; for National Guard

(2592) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2011) 2013-2014 (2592) AGM-114R version; for AH-64 combat helicopters; for National Guard

(2176) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2014 2015-2016 (2176) AGM-114R version

(4941) BGM-71F TOW-2B Anti-tank missile (2014) 2015-2017 (4941) Incl 4194 for National Guard

(10747) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2014 2015-2017 (10747) BGM-71 TOW-2A and TOW-2A-RF versions; incl 9740 for National Guard

UAE:

49 AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2002) 2005 (49) AGM-114M3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

240 AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2002) 2005 (240) AGM-114L3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

(1000) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2008 2009-2010 (1000)

(390) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2009 2012-2013 (390) AGM-114N version

SEE MBT Thread Post 882 for Ref. to the above.

I think I made my point here for some and didn't need it. This doesn't include under the Missile section SAM, Guided Bombs, Anti-Ship etc.

If more is needed for UKRAINE let me know I still have a handful more. Training started prior to deliveries and were actually held up until the UKRAINE and we verified they had built more secure/safer facilities to store them and all the external security measures were in place to protect them.

I never said this won't take more then just a few minutes!! :typing:, well yes there is that, yeah, at a much slower pace!?!

Regards,
Pat
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[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

This is a "two fold" post, one it confirms the receipt by UKRAINE of the JAVELIN ATGW and two that the SIPRI database has been updated and released through 1950 - 2018 (When the initial UN treaties for arms sales were ratified.). I firmly standby the date as submitted based on the refs. as presented. Time period is from 2016 -2018 for the below.
United States
R: Ukraine (210) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2018 2018 (210) Probably second-hand
6 TPQ-36 Firefinder Arty locating radar 2015 2015-2016 6 Second-hand
3 HMMWV Up-Armoured APV 2016 Survivable Combat Tactical Vehicle version
2 Island Patrol craft 2018 2018 2 Second-hand

The FIREFINDER was much better than the Cell Phones they were using. The Russians "hacked" literally them to death and the Ukrainians suffered heavy losses in crews and artillery until they figured out what was happening.

I always follow-up where I can.

Regards,
Pat
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[oragus]

Thought you retired? Lol

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don't have much time, work beckons me. The USMC's newest sniper rifle the Mk13 Mod 7 Long Range Sniper Rifle reached FOC this month. No time for the highlights, you'll just have to read it for yourself.

However in reading this article you'll note I didn't make up the acronym "FOC".
https://www.armyrecognition.com/july_2019_global_defense_security_army_news_indust ry/u.s._marine_corps_new_mk13_mod_7_long_range_sniper _rifle_fully_operational.html

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I thought you "shooters" out here might find this useful. Whether or not these weapons have any bearing on the game, I just don't know. They are all being used by their respective militaries.

The stuff we would need is caliber/ROF and Min/Max ranges.

The criteria used is discussed at the beginning of the article but, in short, limited to 5.56mm and 7.63mm weapons, amongst others.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/top_most_modern_assault_rifles_7.62mm_5.56mm_analy sis_technical_review.html

Just picked this up as FYI...
Poland/Ukraine developing/testing a new ATGW.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/february_2020_global_defense_security_army_news_in dustry/ukraine_and_poland_to_develop_anti-tank_guided_missile_called_pirat.html

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[Suhiir]

Amazing how similar most of them look.
When you have a good design don't re-invent the wheel.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

SANDF has a new toy the 370 Y4 (MILKOR) medium velocity six-shot grenade launchers along with 20,000 rounds of the new 40mm Medium Velocity (MV) by Rheinmetall. This is an higher velocity extended range munition.

Rounds ordered of medium-velocity ammunition, including high explosive ammunition, high explosive dual-purpose ammunition, practice ammunition, practice tracer ammunition, red phosphorous smoke rounds and orange target marker ammunition.

The new 40mm medium-velocity (MV, ca. 100 m/s) ammunition. The company is currently expanding its MV product. It now includes the new generation of 40mm MV ammunition, which has a maximum effective range of 800 metres, doubling the gunners’s operational reach and providing a flatter trajectory for those crucial close-in, accurately placed shots MV ammunition is.
https://milkor.com/milkor-y4-grenade-launcher-project-handed-over-to-sa-army/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/milkor-y4-grenade-launcher-project-handed-over-to-sa-army/
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_november_2020_global_security_army_in dustry/rheinmetall_supplies_south_african_army_with_new_4 0mm_medium-velocity_ammunition.html

Regards,
Pat
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[MarkSheppard]

Belgium apparently retired their MISTRAL MANPADS on on 31 December 2017.

[DRG]

Belgium apparently retired their MISTRAL MANPADS on on 31 December 2017.

Wonderful, what did they replace them with or did they decide they didn't need MANPADS any longer ?

The Mistral is all they have ATM

Well this didn't take long

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20170607.aspx


Belgian has decided to phase out short range anti-aircraft missiles systems and instead depend on their F-16s and anti-aircraft missile protection provided by the integrated NATO air defense system. Since Belgium is small and surrounded by NATO allies this seems are reasonable decision. This is especially the case as it would be expensive to replace the current Mistral SAM (Surface to Air Missile) system that entered service in the early 1990s. Mistral still works, but it is old. During the last Mistral live-fire training which took place in Estonia during early May 7 out 8 missiles hit their targets. Some of these missiles were from the first 858 missiles ordered back in 1993. While the firing exercise in Estonia went well Belgian revealed that only about 86% of 643 Mistral missiles fired so far had hit their targets.

[Aeraaa]

"only" 86%?

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

That number is probably right in the "ball-park". You must remember BELGUIM operates the original MISTRAL (1) which was fielded in 1988. MISTRAL 2 wasn't fielded until around late 2001/early 2002 (Production was started in 2000.).
https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/defense-systems/mistral-missile-system/

The higher probability numbers are driven by statements like the following...
"The Mistral MANPADS has a high kill probability. After firing more than 3 700 missiles of all variants during training it has a success rate of 92-95%. This missile also has increased maneuverability (30G) at extreme speed. This air defense system also boasts increased flexibility during day and night and is deployable in standalone or in coordinated mode. The Mistral is operable in severe weather conditions." from the same ref, they list all the variants.
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/mistral.htm

The deals with the MISTRAL 2...
"Compared to any other low-level air defence missile, Mistral is more reliable and successful. It has a success rate of 93%." again same ref...
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/mistral-missile/

At this writing, I'm not sure whether France and the UK got the latest version MISTRAL 3 which has a supposed accuracy rate of 97%.

However I can confirm SERBIA was the first export customer to receive the MISTRAL 3 in JUL 2019 from the ref above.

I actually believe that MISTRAL (1) in it's time, probably did have a higher hit probability in the low 90% area against targets, again, of it's time.

Dons ref points to current time against "smarter" targets of today. So for MISTRAL (1) in todays target environment to score at about 86% is nothing short of "spectacular" and speaks directly to it's effectiveness for a system BELGUIM never updated (Or FRANCE) and that's 32 years old.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Already being fielded...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2021_global_security_army_in dustry/us_marines_receive_improved_optic_to_identify_thre ats_from_longer_distances.html

Like the weather here has been for the last two weeks plus, feeling a little "****ty" right now.

However there must be some hope as a mysterious bright object is in the sky of yet unknown origin, making everything seem bright and clear. When I figure out what it is, I'll let you know!?! :D

Regards,
Pat
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[Suhiir]

Already being fielded...
Interesting but no in-game effect.
Thanks!

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Just there from the news aspect on what's been three nights of hardly any sleep. At least I made it to my weekend, which now officially makes me fall under the care of "Dr." CINCLANTHOME, I'm in good hands now as the "vaporizer" is warming up!?! ;)

Have a good weekend!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[Masters]

Looks like Russia's missing regular infantry troops with AK-12 (there's also a new 2023 ed. - https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/media/ak-12/kalashnikov-predstavil-ak-12-obraztsa-2023-goda), new sniper rifles like Orsis T-5000, Lobaev Arms sniper rifles, SVD -> SVCh.

Germany's missing new HK-416A8 (G95) rifles, the US their new flashy 6.8 cal. ones replacing M4 (XM7).

[DRG]

Some of you will find the info in here interesting

https://www.nammo.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Nammo-Handbook-2023.pdf

The one that caught my eye


5.56 mm x 45 DIM TRACER (IR) 4

The infrared (IR) tracer is completely invisible to the naked eye. It can only be seen with Night Vision Devices (NVDs), giving the user clear advantages as a stealth fighter at night. Instant ignition for short combat distances.

"Status Type classified by US Army and United States Marine Corps (Mk301 Mod 0). In service with the US, Swedish, Norwegian and UK defense forces. Combat proven."


The advantage of knowing where the rounds are going in the dark and the other side not knowing where they are coming from is HUGE

[DRG]

What do each of these nations use the Spike ER2 for ?


Countries that use the Spike ER2

Denmark
Netherlands
Poland
Romania
Spain
UK
Israel

The Spike ER2 can be used on land and sea or deployed from Helos

It apparently can be fired from any launcher currently in use that can fire but info seems scarce and I could ASSUME these could supplement existing SPIKE uses in those OOB's or something like this might be a helo only asset....... that is the question......how are they being used

The range issue is actually a moot point as the actual range of the weapon is 100 hexes greater than the max visibility the game can see even on a dead flat map but it would be nice to know how they are being used

[DRG]

What do each of these nations use the Spike ER2 for ?


Countries that use the Spike ER2

Denmark
Netherlands
Poland
Romania
Spain
UK
Israel

The Spike ER2 can be used on land and sea or deployed from Helos

It apparently can be fired from any launcher currently in use that can fire but info seems scarce and I could ASSUME these could supplement existing SPIKE uses in those OOB's or something like this might be a helo only asset....... that is the question......how are they being used

The range issue is actually a moot point as the actual range of the weapon is 100 hexes greater than the max visibility the game can see even on a dead flat map but it would be nice to know how they are being used

EDIT
I found this. If anyone can add to it let me know what you find

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/gill-spike-anti-tank-missiles/?cf-view

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Serbia JUNE 2024 Platform: H145M helicopters.
https://min.news/en/news/4a30410c4560ca09bf37b182e34306ff.html

Finland: DEC. 2022 (Described as additional purchase for all.) Platform: Finnish Navy coastal defense systems.
https://alert5.com/2022/12/12/finland-upgrades-missile-arsenal-with-spike-sr-lr2-and-er2-purchases/

Then there is this: "The Spike ER2 has already been integrated into over 45 different platforms and is currently operational in 43 armed forces around the world." (Note this concedes closely with Serbia. Those are Serbian helos from above.
https://militaryleak.com/2024/10/13/spike-er2-missile-demonstrates-advanced-capabilities-in-h145m-helicopter-firing-test/

Italy: 2027 Platform: AW249 Fenice (A129 replacement.) "It will mainly use the Spike ER2 and LR2 anty tank missiles, made by the Israeli company Rafael, but it is also possible that in the future it will be equipped with the Spike NLOS if the Italian army gets it.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aw249-fenice-informations-and-possible-future-versions.43628/"

Sorry need to hit the rack-we had snow and ice temps in the low 20's no power for 15 hrs. left CINCLANTHOME well, at home so I could "play" at work.

Chile and Columbia:
https://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2105.html

Philippines: 2018 (Last para. ) Platform: MPAC (See Para. 3)

OK!!-Good Night!!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[DRG]

Thanks. That helps fill out some units in the OOB's and that lead to Serbia bought second hand Mi-35's from Cyprus

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Back to Philippines in a post in the MBT Thread of them putting their SABRA Light Tanks (From Isreal.) through acceptance trials I believe they were equipped with SPIKE ER as well.

Also, I can't remember if they got Infantry launchers of same.

I think the post was made around the time I submitted the "KAPLAN" for Indonesia.

I gotta get ready for work.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[DRG]

We don't include the Philippines in the list of OOBs, so what they have is irrelevant to MBT

[DRG]

If anyone knows let me know when it was taken OOS in Spain

Report is MILAN
Former operators--Spain

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

USMC has settled on the size of its Rifle Squad.

Suhiir brought this up about 6-7 years ago I believe. The final decision was to leave it as 13.

Appears the USMC concurs with her astute assessment concerning her game decision.

Might have some added value as one will be a drone operator. And you know what that probably means, though I would speculate for a battlefield surveillance drone.

You just never know who's looking in on us. So, to them welcome and :p to you!?!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-marine-corps-has-settled-the-debate-over-the-size-of-a-rifle-squad/ar-AA1CtyCm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=257dd94f01bf4da1a6484ec021c44095&ei=35

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

[DRG]

I'm not surprised. They have DECADES of experience with 13.

[Blazing 88's]

Germany to Replace G36 Rifle with New H&K G95A1 to Enhance Infantry Lethality.

On May 19, 2025, Heckler & Koch officially commenced deliveries of the G95A1 and KA1 assault rifles to the German Armed Forces, marking a new chapter in the German Armed Forces’ small arms modernization program. These rifles, developed by the German manufacturer Heckler & Koch headquartered in Oberndorf, Baden-Württemberg, represent the outcome of a lengthy and complex European tender launched in 2017 to replace the aging G36 rifles. With the Bundeswehr preparing for significant structural expansion and modernization, the G95A1 program plays a pivotal role in enhancing the infantry’s lethality and adaptability across modern battlefields. The G95A1 assault rifle is based on the HK416 A8 platform, one of the most field-proven modular rifles in NATO forces. The standard G95A1 is equipped with a 16.5-inch (420 mm) barrel, while the shorter KA1 variant features a 14.5-inch (368 mm) barrel. The weapon incorporates a free-floating handguard, gas piston operating system, and an ambidextrous fire control group. In contrast to the polymer-heavy G36, the G95A1 uses more aluminum components, increasing durability and accuracy but also adding weight. The rifle is fitted with an ELCAN Specter DR optic offering 1x to 4x magnification, though reports indicate integration delays with this sight. A mechanical backup sight remains available, ensuring redundancy in combat. The first deliveries included 390 units and accessories, with testing performed in diverse environments such as Arctic, desert, and jungle conditions.

https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/germany-to-replace-g36-rifle-with-new-h-k-g95a1-to-enhance-infantry-lethality