The Good, the Bad intermediates and the Ugly noobs // Team BAD (Bbz - Bullock) WIN !!

[Bullock]

After several "classic" games i'd like to give a try to a team fight. Since we are lucky enough to get a lot of newcomers i think this type of game could allow some people to play together while they couldn't in any other type of game due to difference of level/xp between them.

I think also it's a best way for noobies to learn the game watching the good player (and maybe intermediate ^^)while still in a fun and fair game.

So they would be 3 teams as the title suggest:

1 good player
2 Intermediates
4 noobs

Which means at this point it is a 7 players games. However if the idea is meeting some success we can increase the number of players. (or make 2 teams of intermediate/noob/pro)

Concerning the mods i'm planning to set CBM & prolly nothing more since it's a noob player friendly game.

I'm also considering any suggestion about the rules that must be applied. I think it could be fair to forbid any Diplo between the intermediates & the good for example.

Before giving some more accurate settings for the game (maps, ressources income...) i want to see how popular the idea is, so join first ! :)

Any suggestion to improve the theme is appreciated.


Gamelink: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Good_bad_ugly

Map: Aran
Mod: CBM 1.92 / Streamers and standards / Multi Era mod.
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/download.php?Number=611021
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989

Indi 7
Gems income 60
HoF 15
Others at default.

Turn length: 30h then 48h later on.
Diplo: Everything is allowed.
Victory condition : Last team standing or a consensus on who is the winner.

Players:

Da Good:
-Nosantee / MA Arcoscephale

Da Good 2:
-Excist / EA Hinnom

Intermediates:
-Bullock / LA Abysia
-bbz / EA Fomoria

Noobs:
-Samoht / EA Niefelheim
-Legendary League / LA Ulm
-Vangard / EA Caelum

[Yskonyn]

I would be interested to join!
Despite my postcount and join date I am still a noob. Got wiped soon in every game. About 3 played. Never came to forging or sweet magic. :)

[bbz]

I'd be interested, but I'd love to play as EA Fomoria.Since I got some free time on my hands and I'd love to give those giants a try (And the newest CBM which you plan to use anyways:))
I also love team play so I really like the idea of a team game. I'd rate myself as a mixture of intermediate and noob, Ive had 4 games so far so you decide which one I am.:)

Although i think it will be a bit unfair to have a game 2v1 or 4v1 even if the one is an expert vs 4 noobs the sheer numbers are overwhelming I think. What would be nice though is 8 players set in teams of 2. This way you can communicate and plan on strategies together and if we can get 4 intermediate players each to team up with a noob that would be nice and good learning experience. Also there can be interesting intra-team strategies.

Thats the think if you team up 4 noobs together they wouldnt learn that much from eachother, while if you team up 1 noob and 1 intermediate/expert you can get a good play. or something like 1 noob + 1 expert vs 1 intermediate+ 1 intermediate player. That kindoff assignment would be good I think.(although I think that might change your theme quite a bit so I guess I am happy with the whole 1 v 2 v 4 thingy aswell if you want to go on with it:))

[Bullock]

Well i'm listening every proposition concerning teams it may be a could idea Bbz depending on who's joining.

I will prolly make a poll to see which idea is the most popular between the propositions.


Concerning the 1V4 i think it's doable for a good player. Prolly not in the early stage of the game that why i think i would set high Indies.
Also the locations are random so the good is unlikely to face the 4 noobs at the same time.

[bbz]

yea he's most likely going to be facing 1or two noob players but since there is not Diplo between intermediate and good player then he might still be attacked from every border he has. (say 2 intermediate bordering him and 2 noobs:) which is sort of worst case scenario)

The problem that I see in my suggestion is that we might have to forbid diplomacy at all if it is 2v2v2v2 game, coz then some people might get raped by 2 teams joining up on them. Also I dont think that the starting positions should be random, coz like that you can easily get 2 players from the same team starting at the nice corner together and 2 players from another team starting on the opposite sides of the map. I was more like looking at it as if you could place the teams together and they so they could arrange some attacks together or have an expansion plan together or something like that. But I dont know probably I'm getting into too much detail.

[Bullock]

Yeah i'm fine for any idea, it depends mostly of the people who join. And atm it doesn't seem so popular.

[samoht]

I'd be interested in playing (as a n00b) with one of the Niefelheim/Jotunheim (sp?) depending on whatever era it is. But I've never played with CBM before. From all accounts it is superior to Vanilla, but is there some log that lists all of the changes made between the two?

[Bullock]

but is there some log that lists all of the changes made between the two?

Not really.
There is a PDF with the CBM crafting however.
It should be in your CBM folder.

[samoht]

Cool. Either way I'm interested in this game.

[bbz]

should we jsut make it 2v2v2v2 intermediate + noob game, you can count me as intermediate(lets say) and host is one aswell and we have two new people wanting to play so thats 2 teams set up. we need 4 more 2 intermediate and 2 newish and then we can start thinking about positions and team splitting.

[bbz]

Regarding cbm there are some item tweaks some nation specific changes, as well as no gem generators and added late game summons. So I'd suggest you start a single player game just so that you can familiarise yourself with the changes to the nations you choose.

[Bullock]

Yeah i don't mind doing 2V2V2V....
Like i said it's depending on who's joining.

Come on people join our marvelous team fight :)

[recon124]

Sign me up please!

I will have to be considered a noob. I've never played in a multiplayer game before. I don't know what nation I will be, though. I think I'll pick once I know what sort of team I'm on.

[Legendary League]

I would like to play an MP. Suppose I'd be considered a noob, given just how long it's last been since I played Dom3.

[Bullock]

actually we have something like 2 intermediates & 4 noobs if i'm right.

do you want to try a 2int v 4 noobs or a 3v3 ?

[bbz]

what about 2 int + 1 noob vs 4 noobs? I am somewhere semi-noob/intermediate, so It feels appropriate.:) So 1 team can be 1 intermediate(host), one semi(me), and one more new player. this should offset the early game advantage that the 4 player team has.(and it feels a bit tematic with the name Our team can be team "Good, Bad and Ugly in one" vs team "just Ugly")

Also I am happy with a 3v3 game.

Let me know what you guys think.

[samoht]

3v3 sounds the most appealing to me right now, because it seems to be the one we could arrange quickest, but I'm open to anything.

But my vote is 3v3.

[bbz]

I vote for 4v2 I guess. Want to see if it actually doable:)

[samoht]

I vote for 4v2 I guess. Want to see if it actually doable:)

that sounds good, too!

[Bullock]

Could be fun :)
I'm waiting to hear from the others and maybe for some more players.

Edit: Just noticed it was my starting idea in fact ;) only the good is missing.

So don't be shy and come to apply to the role.

[Bullock]

OK guys so we go like this :
Intermediates:
-Bullock
-bbz

Noobs:
-Yskonyn
-Samoht
-recon124
-Legendary League

I think a 5th noob could be a good thing, but i m maybe overconfident.

I propose to let the noobs choose first their nations while intermediates pick the era.

Now for settings i'm thinking about:

Map: Aran
Indi 7
Gems income default era +10/15
HoF 15
Others at default.

Does everybody like those settings ?

There is still room for a godlike player or a noob.

[recon124]

That all sounds fair, but I have never played a team game before. I was trying to think of nations that would synergize with each other well. Like you would not want two nations that each favored either cold or heat scales on the same team, but I don't even know if dominion spreads into team mates provinces. So, how does dominion spread work among team mates.

[bbz]

Heat or Cold team might be a good Idea, Although It might leave you a little bit one sided(depends on the nations of course) But yea having heat/cold synnergy wont be a bad thing.Although it more depends on the dominion power you have because you can be perfectly allright with abyssia and Nifelheim next to eachother as a team as long as you build temples and preach on the borders to keep the cold/heat dominion contained in your own borders.

[Bullock]

Well bbz only want to play Fomoria EA, so let it be.
So era is EA, pick your nations in this pool.

[samoht]

Sounds good to me. I'll be Niefelheim.

[Nosantee]

Hmm well I'm an Intermediate player getting better by the day. Though I'm sure I can be beat by either of the Intermediates I'd be fine going it solo as the 'advanced' player (Though I'm really not that advanced hah!)

[bbz]

Thanks guys for letting me play as the big grass eating Goats:) I really wanted to try them in MP Otherwise Im not really fussed about any other settings so Im good to go:)

[Bullock]

Welcome in Nosantee !
I think we are ready to go if all noobs are still there.

Considering the situation i think we will go to the classic first to pick first served.

I'll come back with a nation soon :)

[Bullock]

i think i ll give another try to Ctis.
I might change my mind later on =p

Game is up :
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Good_bad_ugly

[Nosantee]

Welp, since I'm alone I should go with one I know best.

MA Arco! But since this is EA, I guess EA Arco it is then.

[Bullock]

MMh it's maybe the good occasion to test the Multi age mod then :)
I don't think it will be confusing for newcomers and it could be fun.

So i register MA Arco for you.

[Nosantee]

MMh it's maybe the good occasion to test the Multi age mod then :)
I don't think it will be confusing for newcomers and it could be fun.

So i register MA Arco for you.

That would be absolutely wonderful and gives the new players many more options to try out me feels!

I don't know if there are any other newer version of single age mod though so if you're able I'd love for all of us to be given a link to the particular one you're using (if there are even more than one)

[Bullock]

i'll prolly take MA Abysia in that case.

[Bullock]

I don't know if there are any other newer version of single age mod though so if you're able I'd love for all of us to be given a link to the particular one you're using (if there are even more than one)

In fact it will be my first try of this mod !
I'll have a look on the forum and bring a link.
If you have already a version of this mod in mind send it here.

[Bullock]

Ok i have also added streamers and standards.
There is a link for both mods in the main post.

@Legendary league & Recon124: can you allow private message plz ?

[bbz]

Yea those are the three mods ive been using to play against the AI. And I find Single age mod to be quite fun!!:) so thats great and it gives a chance to people to pick their favourite nations.

[recon124]

I have a pretender ready for MA Man. I could not think of any good dominion strategy for the noob team except try not to pick any nations that favors any scales like death or heat or something that is generally bad.

[Bullock]

except try not to pick any nations that favors any scales like death or heat or something that is generally bad.

Now i'm not sure to understand your thought.

Now concerning the game we have 1 noob slot free, Yskonyn withdrawed.

and i have no news from legend league.

@recon124: concerning the PM i wasn't expecting a PM from you. But you have to go in the option and allow the reception of PM.
For some odd reason they are forbidden when you create an account.

[bbz]

recon124, the thing is, you dont need to think of it as a scales synergy between your nations. More like an overall nation synnergy. So for example if one of you has really good armies(say MA Man) the other one has really strong SCs and thugs(to teleport and raid around) then the other one has stealthy thugs so that you invade a person in 1-2 turns alltogether. And lets say the last person has good mages so he helps with forging of itmes and other stuff. That is a good synnergy.:) Do not striclty think of it as Scales synnergy since scales are most likely going to be valid only for your own dominion, and the opponents are going to preach it out.

[Bullock]

We have lost 2 noobs players and other noobs seem to be drained by other noob games.

So i'm proposing those options if nobody shows up before tomorrow night:

3V2 => Nosantee goes with the 2noobs (or something like that)
or
I'm canceling this game & will create something else.

[bbz]

yea I guess Im fine with that aswell if we dont get any new players.

[Nosantee]

That works out I guess. Though I would like it if we could get 2 more I'll certainly work with that.

[bbz]

even getting one more should work we can form 2 teams 2 noobs+advanced and 2 interm + a noob

[samoht]

I'm still down for whatever.

And I'll submit my pretender, Dane Cook, god of the Niefel giants, when I get home from work.

[bbz]

Bump I guess? is anything happening to this game?:)

[samoht]

I hope so. I'd be interested in playing even if it was just the four of us. On a smaller map.

[Legendary League]

I'd still be interested in playing as a newbie, if theres still room.

[bbz]

Great that means that we have 3 out of the 4 noobs,
so if one more joins we are ready to go as the host wanted 1v2v4 !

[Bullock]

Great lets give a couple more days to see if we can get a last noob.

[Vanguard X]

If this game has not started yet, I can be your last noob.

[Excist]

What's your definition of noob? I currently have 2 games completed and in the mid-game of 3 others, although I have the feeling 1 of those is about to wrap up this week or next.

Would that be intermediate or noob?

My first game I only lasted a few turns since I took agartha with a risen oracle god and chose cold 3 scales based on the chill aura. By the time I learned what cold blooded and fatigue were I was R.I.P.

Admitedly, the other 4 games I've been doing fairly well in as far as I can tell.

How many games have the noobs done or is your criteria for noob 0-1 game?

[Bullock]

Well i think Vanguard X is our last player.

@Excist: You are clearly between the two level i think.
Maybe we can add you with nosantee ? what do you think people ?
Otherwise you are too late.

@ Noobs team: i'm expecting you to fight 'til the very end. Don't leave your mates !

If you are fine with that pick your nation and send your pretender in!

[Vanguard X]

I'm going with EA Caelum.

[Nosantee]

Since I am more intermediate than expert, I would hardly disapprove of Exist joining my team.

Faced you in NYG, Maybe useful ally in GBU!

[bbz]

Im fine with everything, but since I'm at the level of Exist(between intermediate and noob) its up to Bullock to decide wether he can take you on.:) (also what do you mean of more intermediate than expert - in terms of games played?)

[Bullock]

Well i thought the weakest team could be nosantee's so i proposed him to get an ally. If he doesn't want one we aren't going to force him :)

So we are going as scheduled 1vs2vs4.

Sry Excist ! Next time.


IF anyone as the knowledge to fix starting position for each player i m listening :)

[Nosantee]

Well i thought the weakest team could be nosantee's so i proposed him to get an ally. If he doesn't want one we aren't going to force him :)

So we are going as scheduled 1vs2vs4.

Sry Excist ! Next time.


IF anyone as the knowledge to fix starting position for each player i m listening :)

Excellent! Let us initiate pretender upload and get this thing a rockin'

[bbz]

just for the case that people dont know how to join a game. You send an email to " pretenders@llamaserver.net "
with subject " Good_bad_ugly "
and attach your pretender 2h file to that email.

After you have created your pretender you can find the 2h file in dominion3 3/savedgames/newlords folder

I am posting this just in case that some of the new guys don't know how to(I didn't for my first game;))

[Excist]

Ok Bullock. Np.

The conversation was a little confusing since it looked like Nosantee was saying he was intermediate not expert and could use the ally and then you said you thought his team was a little light and could use an ally but wouldn't force one on him.

Did I misunderstand what he said when he said "useful ally" and won't disapprove?

[Bullock]

Ok Bullock. Np.

The conversation was a little confusing since it looked like Nosantee was saying he was intermediate not expert and could use the ally and then you said you thought his team was a little light and could use an ally but wouldn't force one on him.

Did I misunderstand what he said when he said "useful ally" and won't disapprove?

I m not sure to have fully understood the answer of Nosantee either :)

But if he changes his mind you are welcome in.



Btw can we have some news from :
-recon124
-Legendary League

About their nation picks ?

[Nosantee]

Sorry my manner of speaking is sometimes very neutral!

I was saying that I wouldn't mind having a teammate and would gladly have Excist on my team. Either way, I am happy.

This would also be good in that if a noob drops out we will still have a person to replace with (Even though he's Intermediate)

[Bullock]

Recon 124 has still his PM off.
And i have pmed legendary league to remind him sending his pretender.


Btw i m advising everybody to subscribe to the thread (Thread tools menu) to get a mail when there is a new post here.

[Excist]

Since I didn't see anybody object to Nosantee clarifying he wants me as a teamate I went ahead and made a Hinnom Pretender that I can upload as soon as I'm given the go ahead. It appears I wouldn't be holding anything up by joining his team ;)

[Bullock]

Welcome in Excist. However , if you don't mind, you might have to join the noob team cause im sure one will be missing when we will be able to start the game.

[Excist]

ok, I'll upload and just tell me who to attack :D

[bbz]

I can tell you who not to attack - me!:)

P.s @ all: lets just get the pretenders sorted and start the game asap - I want to play!!:)

[Nosantee]

I think some have been submitting pretenders but the server is down right now.
Who hasn't submitted their pretender yet? I know Cael, Nief, Form, and Arco have.

[bbz]

recon124 hasnt been online for like 5-6 days, wheres Legendary League was here yesterday so I think hes still in. So its ut to Legendary League, host and Excist to upload predenders so that we can get the game running.

[Bullock]

My pretender is ready, im just thinking of some other nation i would like to play :)

[Nosantee]

Ah Llamabeast is back home and the server has refreshed itself

Now all we need is Bullock and one of the new people and we're good to go! (Even without the other new guy, a 6 person game would be great too)

Anxiousness is killing me. Ready to ROLL!

[bbz]

yea 6 player game wouldnt be too bad either since its 1v2v3:) and then the new guys get an intermediate with them:)

[Bullock]

OK let says we start tomorrow night at the latest with minimum 6 players.
i will send my abysia pretender

[Nosantee]

Excellent, this gives everyone a little more room and the noobs an intermediate to play with.

[Vanguard X]

Sounds good to me. See you all in game tomorrow.

[Excist]

Update OP so we can see teams?

[Bullock]

OP updated.

Pretender sent. I had in mind LA Abysia not MA.

Gentlemen, get ready !

[Legendary League]

Alright, I sent in my pretender!

Playing as LA Ulm. :)

[Nosantee]

Woo that was quick. Always nice to see a game starting sooner than expected!
Glad to see less giants. In the beginning I was worried. Niefel, Fomoria, and Hinnom were the three first nations!

[bbz]

haha:D yea well we are peacefull tribe so dont worry too much. But we might accidentaly stomp over some of your armies if we dont see them:)

[Excist]

I've been thinking...and even though the game has technically already started, I'm thinking that me being on the noob team might stack their team a little bit too much. I'm getting the impression that the skill levels of this game might not actually vary as widely as the description might imply. My 1 game with Nosantee I think I was playing at least as well as he was.

What do people think about this proposal:

Da Good:
-Nosantee / MA Arcoscephale

Da Good Intermediate:
-Excist / EA Hinnom

Bad Intermediates:
-Bullock / LA Abysia
-bbz / EA Fomoria

Da Ugly Noobs:
-Samoht / EA Niefelheim
-Legendary League / LA Ulm
-Vangard / EA Caelum

If people feel the noob team really needs the help then I'm fine with leaving the teams as is, but just throwing it out there that I don't mind being on my own too and creating a 4th faction.

It might be better to settle this on Turn 1 though, before people know who's where ;)

[Bullock]

Yeah why not ! However i think we might have lost a noob already. so maybe u will stick in a team of 3 ?

[Excist]

yea, I'm down for whatever, I just thought 4 on a team might be overkill when the spread of skill is not so wide.

[samoht]

I was AFK for a bit, but I'll be doing my turn in a couple minutes. Sorry for the delay, fellas.

[bbz]

Yea I am fine with 4 teams aswell anything goes:) or what about we give a noob to nosantee? Coz if its 4 teams I feel that me and bullock might have advantage.(I might be wrong though:))

But I guess if everyone is happy Im happy:D
Good luck to all and have fun!:)

[Bullock]

Glad yo see you in Samoht.
So i will put excist alone as wanted in the OP.

I hardly advise the noobs to get in touch.

Cheers

[Excist]

lol, Bullock, the way you use and interpret the word hardly continues to confuse the heck out of me ;)


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hardly

[bbz]

Another advise: When you are attacking some indies and you dont know who is behind it talk to eachother so that you make sure that two people of the same team don't attack it to prevent an army clash!! (and find out where each one of your teammates is on the map:) and make some general plan/strategy on how you are going to advance the map:))

[Bullock]

lol, Bullock, the way you use and interpret the word hardly continues to confuse the heck out of me ;)


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hardly

Yeah i know the word, but it's misleading with my native tongue :)
I meant deeply/greatly :)

Thanks for helping me improving my english :D

[bbz]

"strongly" would be my choice.

[Nosantee]

Already it feels like that Misfortune 1 dominion is setting is...

Arco is off to a bad start.

[bbz]

thats why I dont like patrolling. Although not to worry my start isnt Ideal either.

[Bullock]

Me either :) i failed at patrolling too.

For people who are playing last can you wait a couple minutes to get the new turn and do it? Turns take 1 min atm so it shouldn't be a problem.
thx

[bbz]

+ 1 to that yea:) makes the game start rolling quicker. I wanted to say that but I didn't want to be the "rude guy" So I left the dirty work to someone else:P

[Bullock]

hehe yeah it's the tough duty of the admin.
However, it doesn't seem to work =p

[Excist]

Maybe this will help.



...


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+1

[bbz]

hehe yeah it's the tough duty of the admin.
However, it doesn't seem to work =p

Well you could be more direct lol:P

[Vanguard X]

Perhaps not everyone understands that there can be more than one turn completed per day, so long as everyone turns in a turn?

[bbz]

Ok lets make it more clear.

@ samoht: could you please take the extra 5 min to take your new turn if you are the last person to submit a turn.

Turns this early game , as Bullock said, don't take any of your time and if you take two turns you can appear at the end of the next one, but It gets the game moving quicker. I'd understand if you are not doing your new turn if you are waiting for some diplomatic communications with other players or for some real-life reasons but I'm sure that if you had some time to take the previous turn you can somehow find the extra 2 min to make the new turn, if thats not the case then there is no reason in always waiting to be the last guy to submit a turn, it annoys people.

Thaks:)

[Nosantee]

Thirded

As a side note, I never noticed the score tables link at the bottom of the game page. It gives the EXACT number of everything rather than just a vague interpretation of a graph. Income, Gems, Research, everything!

This... Will be useful. Needless to say, glad I'm sitting pretty on 817 income... Not so happy about the 0 research and 5 gems though. My map position isn't too happy either. Kinda a ****ty spot really but I shall make it work!

[bbz]

reseach and gems so early in the game don't matter at all:P But I wish I had your income:P

[samoht]

Kinda a ****ty spot really but I shall make it work!

If it makes you feel any better I'm not a huge fan of my starting locationg either.

Sorry about being "that guy" everybody :(

I'll play my turn as soon as I get home!

...in 8 hours....

[bbz]

Samoht we are not rushing you to play the new turn. We were just saying that if you are the last one to play a turn(which takes like 2 min) then you might aswell see what the new turn is and play that turn aswell(shouldnt take you more than 5 min) No one is annoyed with you being unable to play a turn. It is just when you can make 1 turn you prob have time to do the other one aswell.

[samoht]

Four turns in and its already starting to feel a little cramped.

[Legendary League]

Independents are stronger than I expected.

^_^;

[Nosantee]

Independents are stronger than I expected.

^_^;

Don't forget that they are set to 7! Technically they're almost 1/2 stronger than usual!

[bbz]

Good idea always test dodgy provinces with your initial scouts set at the verry back to retreat. This way you get to know exactly how strong the independent's force is.

[Nosantee]

Starting to get close to the turn time and I worry abit of him getting a stale. Does LL know the new turn came out? He's usually very punctual with his turns.

[Bullock]

Well, there is barely a turn every day so i guess he knows:)
I ll posponed the game.

[Nosantee]

Vanguard X you have an PM waiting for you.

With love
-The Arcos

[Nosantee]

Well I certainly hope everyone is feeling as crowded as I am. Five turns in and I have already met three other players, knowing exactly where one capitol is and can guess where the other two are. Additionally there is one more player one or two provinces above that I've yet to meet. Probably Niefel since the dom candle has a cold scale on it. As a warning to you, I'm going to start expanding northward soooo we may want to avoid colliding armies. It's happened twice already. If you are that northern contact give us a hit and we'll negotiate something out.

This, is going to get very bloody very fast for the nation of Arco! Niefel, Aby, Form, and Caelum, it's a pleasure, lets retain peace until there is noone else to conquer.

[bbz]

Yea I agree that the map might be a bit to small for all of us. We should have picked a bigger map.

[Excist]

Well, there are still enough provinces out there for us each to conquer 10 more and the smallest of us would have 12 which is a respectable number and the largest of us would have 20.

Of course, 11 of those provinces are water provinces, but that only works out to 1-2 water provinces/player.

[Nosantee]

Well, there are still enough provinces out there for us each to conquer 10 more and the smallest of us would have 12 which is a respectable number and the largest of us would have 20.

Of course, 11 of those provinces are water provinces, but that only works out to 1-2 water provinces/player.

Some of us are feeling a bit of an odd placement cramp though is more my concern. If my calculations are correct that dom candle I saw was actually caelum giving me more room in the north to get up to (possibly) 10 provs providing noone else interferes. As it stands I've got 4 folks bordering me now which leads me to believe that Niefel, Ulm, and Caelum have the ENTIRE eastern front to expand in. And those are alot of farmland provs for just 3 nations. And while their expansion has been less than stellar... It's still quite a nice advantage if they can act on it.

[samoht]

Well, there are still enough provinces out there for us each to conquer 10 more and the smallest of us would have 12 which is a respectable number and the largest of us would have 20.

Of course, 11 of those provinces are water provinces, but that only works out to 1-2 water provinces/player.

Some of us are feeling a bit of an odd placement cramp though is more my concern. If my calculations are correct that dom candle I saw was actually caelum giving me more room in the north to get up to (possibly) 10 provs providing noone else interferes. As it stands I've got 4 folks bordering me now which leads me to believe that Niefel, Ulm, and Caelum have the ENTIRE eastern front to expand in. And those are alot of farmland provs for just 3 nations. And while their expansion has been less than stellar... It's still quite a nice advantage if they can act on it.

Not quite. I'm already boxed in by bordering nations and I've had an accidental run in with another when we both attacked the same province in a turn. I don't have an entire eastern anything for me to expand into :p

[Bullock]

Yeah eastern part of the world looks quite crowed too :)
i lack spying to compare but i can guarantee u that there is no free land there ;)

[Legendary League]

Well, there are still enough provinces out there for us each to conquer 10 more and the smallest of us would have 12 which is a respectable number and the largest of us would have 20.

Of course, 11 of those provinces are water provinces, but that only works out to 1-2 water provinces/player.

Some of us are feeling a bit of an odd placement cramp though is more my concern. If my calculations are correct that dom candle I saw was actually caelum giving me more room in the north to get up to (possibly) 10 provs providing noone else interferes. As it stands I've got 4 folks bordering me now which leads me to believe that Niefel, Ulm, and Caelum have the ENTIRE eastern front to expand in. And those are alot of farmland provs for just 3 nations. And while their expansion has been less than stellar... It's still quite a nice advantage if they can act on it.
Well, I've been in a bit of a bind, you see. Picked the wrong provinces to attack, and with insufficient troops to do it with. Plus had a few instances where my crossbows decided to attack...nothing when there were large blobs of enemies closing in on them. :doh:

Terrible expansion phase on my part.

[Bullock]

After few private talks with player and the current comments on the thread, im afraid the game won't be fun because of the lack of balancing.

Also the noob team is in a bad shape for at least 2 of them. Nief don't stand chance because of his starting loc & Ulm has made a fail start.

Considering the situation i d like to know if you people want to go further or not.

[bbz]

If people don't want to continue thats fine by me - Join the blood bowl.
I Myself had huge luck in everything I did so that kindoff gave me amazing start.
Imagine taking misfortune 2 and getting + 400 gold turn 3 and + 200 gold turn 4:D
Also Imagine killing the knight Solaris and finiding all his artifacts worth 100 of gems:D or finding an easy way to get to the seas or finiding amazons + gryphon riders(when you went for a sacred rush so you have amazing bless:D)
And now imagine you get all that + decent expansion:D.
So it feels unfair from my point of view.

[Nosantee]

Well since it does seem to basically be just Hinnom, Fomoria, and Arco left in the running at a mere turn 8 I'd say let us go ahead and kill it. I can jump into BloodBowl myself

[Vanguard X]

I'm ok with aborting this game. My position seems fine, but it looks like the overall interest for this match is low already, and it's only turn 8.

[samoht]

As Nief I'm actually doing great right now. I'm bringing it to Abysia very early in the game. They were one of the nations I was worried about facing in the long run (because they could melt me) but I just took their capital and have it under siege right now.

But if everybody wants to restart, I will grudgingly accept it.

[Legendary League]

I'm up for anything. My expansion phase has been rough, but I think I've finally gotten my **** together. It'll be abit difficult for me to get back into the game, and my early is definitely subpar, but that's what the teams are for. :) Just need to make it to the late game.

[Excist]

I for 1 would be disappointed with canceling the game at this point. This is my first time playing Hinnom and would like to see how my build runs.

Also I generally had the feeling that provinces at this stage were somewhat even on the team level which should be an indication that they were well-balanced.

[Bullock]

Well finally the global feeling is positive or neutral !
Let s continue this then !

LL we are waiting your turn :)

[bbz]

Ok lets play then:)

[Legendary League]

In other news, the RNG gods have compensated me for my early game failures and given me two Members of the Third Tier, one F2S2B2 and the other F2S3B3. :o

[bbz]

Glad to hear that every one has a reason to play on:)

[Legendary League]

Glad to hear that every one has a reason to play on:)
Well I was going to play on anyways, but damn. Two of them in a row.

[Nosantee]

In other news, the RNG gods have compensated me for my early game failures and given me two Members of the Third Tier, one F2S2B2 and the other F2S3B3. :o

How does that work? Just two lucky events in a row? Guess we're gonna see your research spike here soon!

I continue to fight on with my nothing but 15 gold provs. Screw you, RNG!

[bbz]

Seriously something is wrong with this RNG:D Just as I opened my turn I saw the message: Unexpected event has occured in EA Fomoria, so I thought crap there goes my lab or temple, but no,someone found fire gems in a hot valley:D. As I said before this is having taken misfortune 2 o.O.

Keep them comming RNG:D

[Legendary League]

In other news, the RNG gods have compensated me for my early game failures and given me two Members of the Third Tier, one F2S2B2 and the other F2S3B3. :o
How does that work? Just two lucky events in a row? Guess we're gonna see your research spike here soon!

I continue to fight on with my nothing but 15 gold provs. Screw you, RNG!
Two hero events (Third Tier are multi-heroes). Granted, I kinda wanted the Flying Immortal Vampire Count of Doom (even if he does raise unrest! Such a powerful thug right there that could've helped out my expansion), or Ghoul Guardian Freespawn Man, but practically instant access to flaming arrows means I can't complain (I'm no Bogarus in research, but I'll make it work). :D

[Bullock]

Hey LL, like for Samoht can you play 2 turns in a row when you are the last to play plz?

[samoht]

You guys and your random events. I took luck 3 scales and so far I have gotten abolutely nothing. :mad:

[Nosantee]

You guys and your random events. I took luck 3 scales and so far I have gotten abolutely nothing. :mad:

Not only are they getting good events with Misfortune, every province they take apparently has 2 gem producing areas in them. THATS the big one.

Makes me want to raid Hinnoms delicious gem filled lands.

[Excist]

Hey! Site search your own lands if you want some gem sites. :cool:

You have to look if you want to find.

[Vanguard X]

You guys and your random events. I took luck 3 scales and so far I have gotten abolutely nothing. :mad:

You have nice neighbors at least. That's something lucky. :)

[bbz]

samoht is probably about to stale btw.

[Bullock]

postponed 6h

[samoht]

I was, thanks for that. Just played both my turns.

Also: in CBM people can recruit while they're under siege? Is that different than Vanilla? Having only played SP until recently, I can't remember the last time I was under siege in Vanilla so I can't remember for sure, but I thought people couldn't recruit while under siege?

That was a bit of a surprise.

[bbz]

They can summon troops and cast any other magic rituals as long as they have lab in the besieged fort:)

[samoht]

They can summon troops and cast any other magic rituals as long as they have lab in the besieged fort:)

Ahh thats probably what it was. I'll have to go refresh myself as to what MA Abysia can wield.

IF IT ISN'T ALREADY TOO LATE.

[Bullock]

Yeah now it's your turn to suffer !

[samoht]

NoooooooOOOOO! I'm a n00b. Go easy on me. :(

edit: should have just paid attention to the score graphs. Also: what a crappy starting position for me to have. Right next to the nation tailor made to counter mine.

[Excist]

Yay, this game looks like it's turning into a fun one. the man-child inside me is happy that we didn't abort.

[samoht]

The man child inside of me is furious that, even with taking Lucke-3 scales, not only have I yet to have a single good random event, I had two horrible random events last turn.

I blame Illwinter.

[Nosantee]

Attention other nations of the world! Arcoscephale is seeking Water gems and will give out any equal trade for them (Except pearls, they will go for a fair 1.5/1 trade)

In addition, an Armour of Twisting Thorns would be just dandy. If you have access to this creation we would be interested in trading for it.

Now that we think of it, we could also use Earth Gems. About 10 of them. Make your offers!

[bbz]

I love the little nice horror marking trick of Ulm:D Take that horror mark 500 gold Melqart.

[Legendary League]

I love the little nice horror marking trick of Ulm:D Take that horror mark 500 gold Melqart.
Well, I figured it'd be worth a measly 90 gold mage to potentially mark a SC pretender or something. Lucked out that no one else sent something. :p

[Vanguard X]

Yeah now it's your turn to suffer !

I believe Niff. has suffered enough now. As if their kingdoms starting location was not enough already.

The Caelum empire expects for the armies that are assaulting Niefelheim to back away from our frost loving comrades immediately, or else face a sudden, and drastic change in the political landscape of this world.

Sincerely, Gael X Lord of heaven, and earth, and all things between.

[Excist]

I love the little nice horror marking trick of Ulm:D Take that horror mark 500 gold Melqart.

Lol, Ronove will eat the first horror that shows up for breakfast with his new Helm, Magical Trident and Heroic Quickness.

Even before giving him any magic items he has 8 attacks/round, 21 attack skill, 30 defense skill and 25 protection. :eek:

Unfortunately, it is far more likely that I will win the game before Ronove sees his first horror.

Just for the record, with these Arena rewards I would GLADLY take a horror mark as part of the cost.

In fact, I quite often horror mark my units for comparatively inferior quality stuff like a Robe of the Magii.

[Nosantee]

Unfortunately, it is far more likely that I will win the game before Ronove sees his first horror.


I think it's time Aby starts sending horrors your way then!

[Legendary League]

Unfortunately, it is far more likely that I will win the game before Ronove sees his first horror.


I think it's time Aby starts sending horrors your way then!
Abys? *cough*

Also, just wait till the doom horrors descend upon him. Just wait.

[Bullock]

Yeah now it's your turn to suffer !

I believe Niff. has suffered enough now. As if their kingdoms starting location was not enough already.

The Caelum empire expects for the armies that are assaulting Niefelheim to back away from our frost loving comrades immediately, or else face a sudden, and drastic change in the political landscape of this world.

Sincerely, Gael X Lord of heaven, and earth, and all things between.

Omg we are so scared... i think we are going to withdraw immediately.

[bbz]

Yeah now it's your turn to suffer !

I believe Niff. has suffered enough now. As if their kingdoms starting location was not enough already.

The Caelum empire expects for the armies that are assaulting Niefelheim to back away from our frost loving comrades immediately, or else face a sudden, and drastic change in the political landscape of this world.

Sincerely, Gael X Lord of heaven, and earth, and all things between.

Omg we are so scared... i think we are going to withdraw immediately.

The giants of Fomoria stand firmly behind their thrusted allies. Niefelheim is history already, but if the birdies want to come and have their wings cut, they are wellcome to do so.

[samoht]

Yeah now it's your turn to suffer !

I believe Niff. has suffered enough now. As if their kingdoms starting location was not enough already.

The Caelum empire expects for the armies that are assaulting Niefelheim to back away from our frost loving comrades immediately, or else face a sudden, and drastic change in the political landscape of this world.

Sincerely, Gael X Lord of heaven, and earth, and all things between.

Omg we are so scared... i think we are going to withdraw immediately.

Oh man, really? Cuz if you would that would be GREAT! My economy is in shambles and I would really appreciate it if you guys just backed off a province or two so I could start collecting taxes. Its hard to do it from behind walls, ya know?

[Nosantee]

Haha looks like bbz made a scripting mistake. Attack instead of sneak for two scouts.

You freaked me out with the extra combat in the turn report!!

[bbz]

Oh did I? I'm so sorry... I keep on doing that... I should check more carefully my turns:D.

[Nosantee]

Whoever it is trying to filter scouts through Ardun should just stop. It's getting embarrasing lol

[bbz]

Not me I learnt my mistake last turn now my scouts are taking the longer way around:D

[samoht]

Huh. I figured commanders would retreat back inside their castle if they weren't able to break a siege... not directly into enemy territory where they'd die....

WELL! Its been fun everybody. Good luck noob team, and to everybody else: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your carpets!

[Legendary League]

Huh. I figured commanders would retreat back inside their castle if they weren't able to break a siege... not directly into enemy territory where they'd die....

WELL! Its been fun everybody. Good luck noob team, and to everybody else: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your carpets!

And may the lice of a hundred llamas infest your hair!:D

[Bullock]

WELL! Its been fun everybody. Good luck noob team, and to everybody else: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your carpets!

Thx for joining and playing 'til the end. :)

[bbz]

Yea thx for the game:)

[samoht]

WELL! Its been fun everybody. Good luck noob team, and to everybody else: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your carpets!

Thx for joining and playing 'til the end. :)

No problem.

I'll tell you what, getting whooped up on and being stuck inside my own fortress for the last howevermany turns was one of the most fun experiences I've had playing dominions. I kinda wish my prophet had actually trampled your commanders like I was hoping, but being under siege made me play the game in a way I never had before. Totally worth it.

[Legendary League]

I am appalled that the red menace has attacked the peace-loving people of Ulm, when we have no made no aggressive moves against the barbarous red hordes of Abysia.

So be it. Ulm acknowledges a state of war against the Red Menace.

[Bullock]

I'm just trying to reach Caelum who is sending his crap troops into my lands leaving guano everywhere.

Btw i need more room !

[Legendary League]

It would have be easier to go through province (50), then making a giant swing through my heartland, since there was no way you'd reach Caelum without going through at least three of my provinces, containing no less than 2 of my (3 planned) fortresses, including my capital. No matter your intentions, the red menace will be contained. I was planning to continuing my splendid isolation, but I suppose it is at an end. Your rampage ends here, commi-, err, Abysian.

[Bullock]

Yeah anyway i was lying i want your lands too :)

[Legendary League]

Then the buck stops here. Mr. Bullock, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL! REAGAN SMASH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0eHh9AP4dg)

[Vanguard X]

I'm just trying to reach Caelum who is sending his crap troops into my lands leaving guano everywhere.

Btw i need more room !

Caelum's heroic warriors were undefeated in all 5 of their attacks on your provinces. And that was less than 5% of my army. (and yes, those were some of my weaker units, and none of my glorious mages)

Perhaps you should reconsider your aggressive position against my ally before you are in over your head.

[bbz]

I love the fact that there are two different wars going on. While I am having a cold war with Hinnom, Ulm and Caelium are going for the more straightforward approach with Abyssia.

[Nosantee]

I love the fact that there are two different wars going on. While I am having a cold war with Hinnom, Ulm and Caelium are going for the more straightforward approach with Abyssia.

I guess you could say Abyssia's war is...
HEATED
:D

[bbz]

lol nice way of putting it:D

[Bullock]

Thx to the infinite kindness of Abysia, we are willing to leave Ulm lands if Caelum stops his attacks.
Now concerning Nief no need to remind you that he draws the first blood and deserve his fate.

[Legendary League]

*Enter Vampire Count*

VC: Milady, the crypto-fascistic communists of Abysia have been routed, and their offensive destroyed as they sought to continue their illegal, and scandalous advance into the motherland. As you predicted, Reagan Smashed.
Trish: Eeeeexcellent. Guards! Fetch the messenger! And the cow!

*Enter Messenger, with Cow*

M: Milady?
C: Moooo?
Trish (to Messenger): Send the Abysians this message.

Turn 24, a month that will live in infamy. The peaceloving thralls and undead of Ulm was suddenly and deliberately attacked by the bloodthirsty human and undead forces of the Despotate of Abysia. This attack was unprovoked: no action even remotely aggressive was undertaken on our part against the Abysians. It is clear, from the disposition of Abysian forces upon our demilitarized border in the turns leading up to it, that this was a premeditated act of aggression. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Niefelheim, we shall fight on the hills and mountains, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength of the arcane, we shall defend our homeland, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the plains, we shall fight on the wastelands, we shall fight in the forests and in the farmlands, we shall fight in fortresses; we shall never surrender. Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the Ulmish people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.
M: Smashingly good, madam. Delivering it right away.

*Messenger Leaves*

Trish (to Cow and Guards): Deliver this cow to the Abysian messenger outside the gate. You know how. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FJVAcvVcPQ)
C: Moooooo?!?!?! Moo!!!!!

*Guards take away Cow*

Trish: Yes, yeees. Everything is going according to plan. Now they will witness the power of this fully-armed and operational battle stat-, err nation! *cue crazed laughter* *cue coughing fit*




In less ridiculous mode, I reject the Abysian offer of peace, after they launched an unprovoked offensive upon our lands. Any such peace with such a vicious and violent neighbor is out of the question, as it will inevitably be violated by these vicarious vermin. Ours is a vendetta, that shall see the vacillating varmits vapulated vegetely. They tried to vulnerate the vespiary of Ulm, and shall be dealt with accordingly.

In serious mode, until Abysia shows that it will abide by such a peace (of which it has shown no signs of doing), there will be no peace. They must vacate the lands they have wantonly occupied from the peaceful peasants of Ulm, and additionally raise the siege of Niefelheim, as well as provide a small connection between Niefelheim and Ulmish lands. Unless such terms are met, then Abysia has not shown good faith in adhering and forging a lasting peace between our nations, and there can only be grimdark war (in the 41st millennium, no less).

That being said, Operation Reagan Smash was quite a failure. My communions didn't all go off, and they didn't fire any Solar Rays or Dust to Dusts (note to self, remember to place mages in range of the spells they're scripted to cast). As a result, the losses we took were unacceptably high for what should've been a complete rout (it should've been an "ITS A TARP (http://www.tothewoods.net/ImagesGear/JRBCatTarp.jpg) [Trap, even!])". But that scripting error almost turned it into this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbRGg3e1b68), though not quite. At least we didn't lose a whole lot of metal bawkses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3MttgvHUY).



So many nerdy references, so little room. _(<_<)>

I love the fact that there are two different wars going on. While I am having a cold war with Hinnom, Ulm and Caelium are going for the more straightforward approach with Abyssia.
No so much straightforward, since I was the one attacked here (I'm starting to see a pattern with my MP games...always fighting defensive wars, hurr).

[Vanguard X]

Thx to the infinite kindness of Abysia, we are willing to leave Ulm lands if Caelum stops his attacks.
Now concerning Nief no need to remind you that he draws the first blood and deserve his fate.


The Caelum empire will temporarily halt operations against Abysia, to allow time for your peoples to consider the errors of their warmongering ways.

We stand with our Ulm allies demands for a cease fire. And we are hopeful that some form of truce can be made to accommodate a more peaceful coexistence for all the peoples of the eastern lands.

[Bullock]

I'm glad that at least one of you does some reasonable request for a peace agreement

If i have a confirmation of Ulm i will withdraw my troops from his 2 lands.
However Nief's lands are mine, and that's not warmongering cause he attacked me !

[Vanguard X]

I'm glad that at least one of you does some reasonable request for a peace agreement

If i have a confirmation of Ulm i will withdraw my troops from his 2 lands.
However Nief's lands are mine, and that's not warmongering cause he attacked me !


Nieflhiem made a mistake. Obviously.

However, so did you with your planned eastern (warmongering) assault of the great nation of Ulm.

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

You have been granted an opportunity to erase your mistake, and Nief's mistake, for the benefit of the whole world. The decision is yours to make. Decide wisely.

[Bullock]

i Should be the one asking for compensation for the attacks of Nief & Caelum !!

However my mate convince me to leave land 33 to find a peace agreement. This land as 10k pop and produce gem, i think it's a fair deal.
I won't let land 30 go cause it produces hobbits and they are a part of my evil plan.:evil:

It's your call.

[Legendary League]

Offer rejected. *lobs another farm animal at the messenger*

The independence of Niefel, either with outlying lands or merely a city-state, is nearly non-negotiable. If you refuse this key stipulation, hostilities shall be resumed then.

In the interests of peace, however, I will leave this option on the table for the red menace. In addition to the border you proposed, there will be a 150 blood slave indemnity (which may also be paid in gems, at a rate of 2 slaves to 1.4 gems), to be paid within a six month period. That offer will remain on the table for your leisure, though the border will be subject to change past next turn (depending on the extent of conquest). This is my final, non-negotiable offer. If you agree to it, I will be willing to sign an NAP-2 with you (and I never break my word). If not: alors, c'est la guerre.

I will not make aggressive action for this turn. After that, the ceasefire will expire.

[Vanguard X]

If you wish to prove your goodwill, then your decision should be fairly simple.


However Nief's lands are mine, and that's not warmongering cause he attacked me !

For if we are to live by your logic (quoted above) then Ulm should without doubt claim your entire country as his because YOU attacked him, and he is therefore entitled to every land you own, including your capitol. Your aggressive disposition works both ways see.

YOU planned in advance, and attacked Ulm, therefore all your base are belong to Ulm now. Unless of course you comply with his demands.

[Excist]

Ah, Nosantee not honoring his NAPs....will be remembered.


Oh well, nothing to do but finish him off...

[Nosantee]

Ah, Nosantee not honoring his NAPs....will be remembered.


Oh well, nothing to do but finish him off...

Hah! The thought that -I- am the one that broke the NAP is humerous! perhaps you didn't understand my message. How many of you would consider your DOM10 neighbor blood sacrificing until you have barely 10 candles on a map non aggressive?

My point exactly, you were trying to kill me from turn 10 with an insurmountable ammount of blood sacrifice. Know that to most, that kind of thing is 100% aggressive.

By all accounts, you broke that NAP 15 turns ago the moment you started blood saccing into my territory

[Nosantee]

Hate to be the guy that requests it but now that we're coming coming up on turn 30 is there any chance we up the turn timer to 36h?

[Bullock]

sounds like a reasonable request :)

Unless some1 complain i ll switch to 36

[samoht]

My turns only take me about 36 seconds, but I don't mind.

[bbz]

keep it up:)

[samoht]

It was a good run, fellas. I had a blast. On a side note...

I hope the fire of Abysia is extinguished forever! And may the mutations of Fomoria overcome their bloodline!

Noobs forever!

[bbz]

Sad times, magic is disappearing from our plane of existence and giants are going extinct. (but quite natural gamewise:))

[Nosantee]

Odd, in game it said Nief was gone but it's still showing his turn on Llama. Does he have to set himself to AI before it removes him?

[samoht]

Odd, in game it said Nief was gone but it's still showing his turn on Llama. Does he have to set himself to AI before it removes him?

I think, from my experience with only one other game, it takes a turn for Llamaserver to recognize my uh... "departure" from your plane.

[bbz]

yea I think so too. so just check the turn and submit the empty turn where its says that you have no more lands and no one believes in your pretender god anymore:)

[Excist]

Need an extension.

Hurt my hand bad last night and wasn't able to do my turns last night.

[Excist]

I guess I'm the only host that checks the forum near the end of every hosting cycle...

[Bullock]

Sry Excist. Just saw your request.

[bbz]

I don't have a clue why my SC didn't manage to kill your SC there Excist. He was supposed to be doing 20 damage a hit. o.O

[Nosantee]

I guess I'm the only host that checks the forum near the end of every hosting cycle...

On the brightside, your son of kokabel was smart enough to cast returning on the first turn when I sent my dedicated mage team of 'son of kokabel assassins' after him.

[Nosantee]

Hosting in about three hours. Maybe time for an extension for the two?

[Vanguard X]

Hosting in about three hours. Maybe time for an extension for the two?

This game is unbearably slow for me as it is. Seems whatever the timer is set to, it always seems to take (timer - ~2hous) long to complete a turn. And it's been this way since turn 3. :(

[Nosantee]

Hosting in about three hours. Maybe time for an extension for the two?

This game is unbearably slow for me as it is. Seems whatever the timer is set to, it always seems to take (timer - ~2hous) long to complete a turn. And it's been this way since turn 3. :(

Haha yes that tends to happen often. I'm not sure what's keeping Ulm (Probably just a busy life!) But like I know Hinnom said he'd hurt his hand pretty bad. And myself playing Arco, the amount of micro... Oh God I couldn't even imagine trying to get a turn done one handed!

[Bullock]

Yeah indeed it is kinda slow.
12h added to the timer.

[Legendary League]

Hosting in about three hours. Maybe time for an extension for the two?

This game is unbearably slow for me as it is. Seems whatever the timer is set to, it always seems to take (timer - ~2hous) long to complete a turn. And it's been this way since turn 3. :(

Haha yes that tends to happen often. I'm not sure what's keeping Ulm (Probably just a busy life!) But like I know Hinnom said he'd hurt his hand pretty bad. And myself playing Arco, the amount of micro... Oh God I couldn't even imagine trying to get a turn done one handed!
I'm trying to figure out what to do about Abysia. He's a pansy and hides behind walls.

:p

Won't let his army leave the fort to di- fight like a REAL man!


...:D

[Excist]

Hosting in about three hours. Maybe time for an extension for the two?

This game is unbearably slow for me as it is. Seems whatever the timer is set to, it always seems to take (timer - ~2hous) long to complete a turn. And it's been this way since turn 3. :(

Haha yes that tends to happen often. I'm not sure what's keeping Ulm (Probably just a busy life!) But like I know Hinnom said he'd hurt his hand pretty bad. And myself playing Arco, the amount of micro... Oh God I couldn't even imagine trying to get a turn done one handed!

Try left-handed.

er....and being naturally right-handed.

Thanks for the compassion.

On another note, I now feel the pain of why so many people leave the game after trying their HAND at building communions lol :)

no pun intended, and no I didn't injure my good hand via communion building.

Although, that would make an awesome update on the Revenge of the Nerds broken arm from the chess club championship schtick.

Broken hand from playing Dominions 3.

[Bullock]

Try left-handed.

er....and being naturally right-handed.

Thanks for the compassion.

On another note, I now feel the pain of why so many people leave the game after trying their HAND at building communions lol :)

no pun intended, and no I didn't injure my good hand via communion building.

Although, that would make an awesome update on the Revenge of the Nerds broken arm from the chess club championship schtick.

Broken hand from playing Dominions 3.

Do you want a temporary increase of the turn pace ? Would it help?

[Excist]

Actually I think turns 30-40 are usually a good time to go to 48 hour cycles in general since those are usually turns I tend to catch mistakes when I double check the turns I sent in ;)

That said, half of my games have dojango in them and are now paused while he figures out whats going on with his computer so I can probably finish these turns in 36 hours if people want to keep the current pace.

[Bullock]

Alright for 48H permanent if other players are ok with that.

[bbz]

yea sure

[Legendary League]

Ofc!

[Bullock]

alright switched to 48 with immediate effect.

[Nosantee]

On another note, I now feel the pain of why so many people leave the game after trying their HAND at building communions lol :)

I like to equate my communions with baking. It takes a lot of time and if you **** up even ONE ingredient (Forgot even a single spell script, any of the pearls or gems, battle placement, over fatigue, timings, etc) you just wind up with one big cluster **** of "OH GOD WHY NO MY ARMY OH GOD THEY'RE ALL DEAD WHY GOD WHY"

Also, totally good with 48 hours.

As a side note: I noticed you have a crystal mage producing site, Ulm. I want that site, Ulm. I want that site.

[Excist]

Yea, I understand the Xtreme Baking analogy.

Its funny because before this game started, I told my friend that quit Dominions over communions constantly going off-script that I was soon to join him in 'Dom3 Exile' since I was starting my first game with an Astral/Blood nation.

[Legendary League]

As a side note: I noticed you have a crystal mage producing site, Ulm. I want that site, Ulm. I want that site.
Is that a threat?

If you wish, we can certainly come up with some arrangement a few crystal coins.

[Legendary League]

Scripting error kills scout ferrying gems, news at 11.

[Excist]

In other news PATHOS THE THUG is finally dead.

yay.

Killed with the aid of certain arena treasures :)

[Nosantee]

In other news PATHOS THE THUG is finally dead.

yay.

Killed with the aid of certain arena treasures :)

Hehe, as sad as it is that the glorious Pathos has passed he outlived his usefulness. Enjoy the magic items he brought though. A new SC is rolling off the lines as we speak and this one wont be so forgiving of arena items.

[Nosantee]

Honestly is everyone fighting this game with dominion? Now Aby is blood saccing and Ulm has two temples right on my border

This is a very bad game to be smack dab in the middle. Wish I had a nice corner position like Hinnom or Fomoria got.

[Excist]

Well, I only bloodsacced with my prophet because I didn't have anything else to do with him.

I did want my growth scales to spread into provinces that I would eventually own, but it shouldnt have been enough to domkill anybody.

Of course, once you broke your NAP without warning I upped it and focused on killing your dominion since you had more mages and research than me.

[Legendary League]

Honestly is everyone fighting this game with dominion? Now Aby is blood saccing and Ulm has two temples right on my border

This is a very bad game to be smack dab in the middle. Wish I had a nice corner position like Hinnom or Fomoria got.
I'm not, actually. I just need temples to recruit black priests is all. :D

And if my dominion spreads as a side effect, well. My counts wouldn't mind it.

If I were, I'd be using a combination of stone idols on unmindhuntable spies, and inquisition preaching for that. ;). It'd be quite blatant, I think.

[Bullock]

I ceased blood sacking near our borders since the fall of nief and i did it only 2 turns.

BTw if it was a trick to get some informations, here they are ! :)

[Nosantee]

Hah welp, it seems I may be a smidge mistaken. Either way though, this is me at the end of turn 30 something with a fairly mid-line starting dom of 6 with an active pretender, about 16 H2 priests preaching and about five temples. See those eight provinces? Yep, that's all my dominion touches.

I do still hold my believe I was right in the abrupt end of Hinnom and my NAP3 though! Had action not been taken I'd have surely parished in the next five turns after. Just look at all those 8-10 candle provinces on my border! If any others continue to creep into and overwhelm my lands I may take equally swift actions as well.

A low-mid dominion nation has fears that are not always militaristic.

[Vanguard X]

Everybody is so quiet. We must all be thinking really hard about how to crush each other huh?

[Nosantee]

Everybody is so quiet. We must all be thinking really hard about how to crush each other huh?

Crush? Nonsense! Infact, here is Arcoscephale with their business propositions!

The Arcoscephalian Forges are OPEN!
Unable to forge a certain special item? Are you tired of spending all of your mages time forging those darn items that you just don't have the time or gems for?

Well then look no further! For the Nation of Arcoscephale is here to make all of your forged item dreams come true. For the low low price of of the item itself*, the greatest smiths of Arcoscephale will forge your item and send it straight to you in a rapid, timely manner! It matters not the paths necessary as we have ALL of them covered! Yes, you heard right. We will forge you just about anything if the price is right. We're so sure of our products your satisfaction is guaranteed, or your gems BACK*!

Act now, and we'll throw in a Bear Claw Talisman ABSOLUTELY FREE!!

-Chi'ra-din "Lord, and master smith, of the nation of Arcoscephale"

*Some items will have special pricings and time constraints.
**Gems cannot actually be refunded

[Bullock]

Nice! i hope i won't be disappointed by this new shop.

I want dwarven hammer & forge lord.

[bbz]

Hinnom, man thank you so much, you've been sending me those gifts all the time, rings of regeneration, helmets, boots I guess you wanted your fellow Giants to dress in style.:)

[Excist]

Enjoy the loot :).

In hindsight this was not a good build to endure 2v1 for long which should have been expected going solo in a teams game.

[bbz]

No to be honest if you weren't blood sacrificing I wouldn't have declared war at all. And at the moment after having destroyed like 5 of your temples your dominion is still increasing and mine decreasing so... I guess I picked the right time to try and stop you. Otherwise it would have been me that is vanishing.

[Excist]

Actually, I just started bsaccing since that's the only chance of knocking one of you off the map before I die.

Earlier I just had prophet bsaccing which shouldn't have been enough to domkill anybody.

I did have a lot of temples though, which spread Dom pretty quickly.

[Nosantee]

It's been fun everyone. But unfortunately I got screwed by positioning and will soon die a dom kill, my first ever and boy does it hurt! To get killed not by battle but by DOMINION! It was inevitable I believe, since I am bordered by all other five nations... Dozens of priests counter preaching, an awake pretender and prophet... I tried to race to juggernaut construction but yet... It ends like this.

I give myself five turns at most, more likely three, and there is nothing I can do about it. The Blood Sacrifice is simply far, far too much for one in my position. Tons of provinces in the center will be freed. Do not be the last to grab them up.

They are... extremely gem rich. He who controls the gems, will win the game. I've got almost all the important artifacts, they will be free'd again. Forge them quickly.

Dwarven Hammer, Hammer of the Forge Lord, Dimensional Rod, Sword of Arlgmer, Sceptre of Dark Regency, it goes on.

[Bullock]

Wow i wasn't expecting that !
and i m not even bsacking near our border.

But yeah you had one of the worse position on this map and low dom in mid of the map is deadly.

[Excist]

Well, that was a happy but unexpected announcement. :)

Seeing as that is my only chance to survive to the mid game with your insane research and magic dueling, communion wielding, golem raiding astral armies.

It seems that the 2 best have effectively canceled each other out as Hinnom has been depleted to the point where we have no chance of winning and Arco who is the wouldbe undefeatable in the game looks like he will indeed be domkilled.

So, I guess the question is who will succeed between the bad and the uglies.

[Legendary League]

Oh dang, Abysia and Fomoria or me and Caelum. This'll be difficult. :(

Considering we've been nothing but stalemated in the east (Abysia won't fight me in the open, and I can't siege his fortresses without starvation issues), Fomoria's going to roll us in that case.

[bbz]

I think you overestimate our power o.O I don't see myself as such a power at the moment. I am lagging behind.

[Excist]

Well, you do have water blessed morrigans now, which are Fomorias most powerful weapon.

[Legendary League]

I think you overestimate our power o.O I don't see myself as such a power at the moment. I am lagging behind.
Any sort of attack from the west will be enough to break this stalemate, really. Abysia still won't fight me, so there's not much I can do in that department.

Quick question on dom kills. Can't you just stack priests (or priestesses) in a province (or a couple of provinces) and just preach your heart out to save yourself, and combine that with copious amounts of temples everywhere? Or does that not work as a strategy (gold constraints etc.)? It seems to me Arco can do that just fine since you're already rolling everyone with everything from your grotesque research, so you may as well have enough mages.

Just asking, I have no idea how you'd defend yourself from a dom-kill (I don't need to worry about this with my position and inquisitor priests that are my most cost-effective researchers (minus really fortune tellers, but wolfherds are awesome).

[bbz]

Yea I don't think Arco is going to die from the domkill at first place. About the morrigans yea they are scarry, but they need a lot of fnesse to be handled properly:)

[Excist]

Well, H3 national priests can make you fairly immune to domkill since they can preach up to Dom 8 regardless of initial Dom, but the problem with weak priests is H1 priests have almost no chance of reducing -4 Dom to -3 and no chance to reduce higher levels so with a lucky round of domspread you might see bloodsaccing pop a province with enemy dom up above where their priests parked in that province can affect it. This has already happened in a few provinces where Arco has summoned a bunch of H2 telematic animates.

[bbz]

well we just have to finish you off sooner then:)

[Legendary League]

Hm. Couldn't Stone Idols work as a means of diminishing enemy dominion? It's the effective equivalent of an H3 priest preaching in reducing dominion, and it's a pretty common set of paths for MA Arco (I believe). Just curious how that would work.

Also, what about The Ark (I know Arco can forge that in a turn or two)?

EDIT: Just realized his pretender has no astral, that explains it.

[bbz]

Yea I was wondering about how effective would stone idols if you place loads of commanders holding them at your borthers to the blood sacrificing nation has to fill the dominion again and agian at those borther province.

[Excist]

Stone idols don't prevent Dom spread, they just reduce Dom to 0 in their current province. It just takes 1 temple check to pop Dom up to 1 and then future Dom spread to that province will take it higher or spread from there. Since preaching happens before random Dom spread it will likely reduce the Dom to 0 and then get pumped back up by random spread every turn.

[bbz]

yea but that uses up dominion checks right? so if you have say 2 lanes of this your blood sacrificing will be filling up those provinces instead of invading enemy ones right?
Meaning more checks done refilling that proinve= less checks done reducing enemy dominion in inner provinces.

[Legendary League]

Still, it seems like a good way of reducing high enemy dominion to a point where you can preach back your dominion. Priestesses are H2, which means they have a 60% chance at raising from a dominion of 0, and a temple puts them at H2, so 90%.

...jesus, how many blood slaves are you sacrificing a turn!?!?!?!

Also, note to self, remember the importance of dominion in my games, and don't try to survive with low dominion in MP games without inquisitors.

[Excist]

Well, I started blood sacking in earnest after nosantee violated his NAP and I currently am generating 33 temple checks/ turn. My peak was 44 when I had temples in the countryside and a 5th fort to sac out of.

[Excist]

LL: only the priests recruited/summoned after the stone idols would preach after the heretic effect since I think preaching occurs in order of unitID.

Otherwise, I like your thinking there since I like running Agartha with Dom 4. My defense against domkill has been a strong early game and an H4 Oracle prophet to preach the fort temples up to dom10 to resist random domspread in the late game.

Stone idols with earth readers could provide some additional domsinks which would help since dom4 can be scary.

[Legendary League]

Damnit, slaves refuse to cast Gifts, whyyyyyyy.

Oh anything I scripted, really. Also, derped and gave a Bane Lord Behemoth boots. Man I'm bad.

Hmmmmmm.

[bbz]

what spells did you set them to? Also remember they need to have earth and astral so that they are able to cast it.

[Legendary League]

Oh they did have it. all my slaves had E4S4, yet they just refused to cast them. Think they switched over to Solar Rays or somesuch, or even Blade Winds. And probably not even the former, too.

Plus, a major battlefield ench I was casting didn't fire, arrrrgh.

Time to meticulously review everything.

Ah well, nothing major. Didn't lose anything too valuable.

[Vanguard X]

Hinomm- The Caelum Empire is feeling the effects of your vile dominion from all the way on the other side of the world.

...currently am generating 33 temple checks/ turn. My peak was 44 when I had temples in the countryside and a 5th fort to sac out of.

Tone it town, or else we will make it so that you are no longer able to generate that ridiculous amount of dominion spam.

[bbz]

Btw just to make sure, you know that slaves won't cast a spell in a turn if a master has caster a spell(but as you are saying that they switched to some other spells that desn't seem to be the case).

[Legendary League]

Btw just to make sure, you know that slaves won't cast a spell in a turn if a master has caster a spell(but as you are saying that they switched to some other spells that desn't seem to be the case).
...Well that explains it then, actually. Must've been one of the masters casting it.

:doh:

No wonder my reverse communions fail Miserably.