Dead shores - EA Maverni - Bullock Winner !

[Bullock]

A fast paced game for relentless pretenders with at least 1 completed MP game. All settings/rules can be changed depending on players wishes.

Players: 6-7 Lands nations.
Era: EA
Map: Aran
Magic site freq: 55
Renaming On
Graph On
Hall of Fame 15
Everything else set as default
Turn length: 30h as long as possible.
Mods: CBM 1.92 / Streamers and standards
Diplo: Everything is allowed.
Victory Condition: Consensus

Gamelink: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Dead_shores

Please send me a PM or post here before going AI.
Game exploits are forbidden (Bogus orders, Troops blocking, lab filling and the recruitment of 0g Ettin)

First to pick first served.
You can change nation until the game starts.

Players - Nations :

Bullock - Maverni
HoleyDooley - Niefelheim
Reverend Zombie - Lanka
Stagger Lee - Tien Chi
Ossa - Arcoschephale
Arnob - Agartha
Mockingbird - Sauromatia

[HoleyDooley]

Niefelheim thx.

[Reverend Zombie]

Lanka, please.

[Stagger Lee]

I would like to try TC, please.

[Ossa]

Arco

[arnob]

Agartha please !

[Bullock]

Welcome everybody !
The game will be open within the hour.

There is still a last opened slot, or we go as it is when pretender are sent.

[HoleyDooley]

I don't mind either way.

[mockingbird]

I think I'd like to give Sauromatia a try, if you don't mind a last minute addition.

[Bullock]

Always pleased to see a tough opponent joining my game :)
Welcome in.

Gentlemen get ready !

[Stagger Lee]

Hope to get mine in later tonight.

[HoleyDooley]

Just FYI, Arnob, aka, Agartha, just broke a nAP 3 with me, no notice.

I'll add his name to my list of people to never NAP mwith again.

[Bullock]

Guys do you want to switch to 48h or you want more turn at 30h/turn ?

[mockingbird]

I am in favor of 48 hour turns at this point.

[Stagger Lee]

I could use more time, yes.

[Bullock]

ok switched.

[arnob]

Hello All

I think I must apologize on this one : In fact I though that NAP3 mean a non-agression pact for 3 turns and I didn't know that mean that you have to wait 3 turns after declare war to invade someone.

I even propose to Mockingbird an unlimited NAP, which is stupid, now I know what's NAP3 really means ...

Arnob

Just FYI, Arnob, aka, Agartha, just broke a nAP 3 with me, no notice.

I'll add his name to my list of people to never NAP mwith again.

[Bullock]

Turn extended on Holeys request for 72h but expecting to be back in 48.

[HoleyDooley]

Please go back to 48, I have int cafe access twice a day thx.

[Bullock]

The game will be on hold the next turn 'til the 30th (1week~) on the request of Arnob.

[Stagger Lee]

The Ministry of Making a Silk Purse out of a Sow's Ear would like to thank the good citizens of Agartha for the training exercise at the gates of Niefelheim. We will be back, having (hopefully) learned something. Hope to see you there. :)

ooc - Are you still with us Arnob?

[Bullock]

ooc - Are you still with us Arnob?

Yeah good question.

I'll postpone the current turn for 48h

[Stagger Lee]

I sent arnob a pm, but he hasn't logged in for over a week. Should we look for a sub?

[Bullock]

Yeah i will look for a sub ... that sux.

I postponed the turn for 72h, if by that time i have no sub i will turn agartha AI.

[Stagger Lee]

We may nave a solution. I offered to sub in Awestruck (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=48786) and Amhazair will contact you soon.

[Amhazair]

Hello all. As Stagger Lee said, he's recruited me to organise Agartha's last stand. (That's what it looks like being at least going from the llamaserver graphs) I do seem to need the "llamaBanners" mod, which I apparently don't have, nor can find on the llamaserver itself. (perhaps it's named differently there?) Could anyone point me towards it?

[Bullock]

Thx both of you for finding a sub and subbing !

Cheers

[Calahan]

You fell for one of llama's tricks Amhazair, as he often likes to give his mods file names that have nothing in common with the name of the mod. (as llama feeds off the frustration caused by hunting for his mod files)

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989

ps - If like me you don't like the flag changes that the mod makes (especially for non all age games), then just delete everything in the file apart from the line at the top that reads...

#modname "Streamers & Standards, Llama's version"

As the mod is only a graphics overlay, and to access the turn file the game only has to be satisfied that a mod by the correct name exists. In this case it wants llamabanner.dm, and to exist a mod only needs the single command line...

#modname "insert at least one character here"

[Bullock]

Thx calahan, I forgot to answer Amhazair's question

[Amhazair]

I've seen the turn now, I'll probably have to sleep on it to figure out what would be the best way to annoy my esteemed opponent, but should be able to turn in my turn by tomorrow.

[Amhazair]

Some observations after thorough digesting what I've ended up with:

* How on earth can a previously succesful nations have so unbelievably few items? (Of course, I don't know what was lost during possible earlier batlles, but still... it's quite ridiculous.)
* Where are my scouts? How am I supposed to know what to do if I have no scouts?
* Why are two entire castles of priest-mages preaching instead of researching while dominion isn't really a problem at the moment. (And dominion can't go higher from them preaching where they are)

Other than that I'm quite ready to move on. :)

[Bullock]

Well it was not very experienced players :)

BTw i've lost 2 SCs, fully geared with unique stuff & so, in time and space after the very first turn they were wearing the gears. (astral boots & kurgi gift) isn't that misfortune ??

[Bullock]

Well, since my opponent is barely down, i think it's a good time to prepare another war. So i'm officially breaking my nap with TC and hostilities may start turn 52.

[Stagger Lee]

Can I get another 24hrs please? Couldn't look at the turn last night.

We are going away this weekend - Memorial Day in the states. Big summer kickoff family gathering in the mountains. Can the turn over the weekend be extended also please?

Thanks

[Bullock]

alright, maybe remind for this week end but should be good

[Stagger Lee]

I'm sorry but I coudldn't get my turn done before leaving. Can you add 48hrs? I may not have any access at all.

[Bullock]

a quick msg to say it has been done.
I did it from my smartphone and was too lazy too post here from it. (slow & boring)

Cheers

[Stagger Lee]

Thanks again, and glad you added more than I asked for, as now I'm home but the power has gone out and not sure for how long.

[Stagger Lee]

I continue to amaze myself with my terrible scripting this game. I should have tested that, but I never dreamed he would spend 13 gems on that first spell. :shock:

Anyway, Amhazair, would it surprise you to know that my pretender is alive and well and in possession of all his items, faculties, and limbs? And is even now preparing more mind numbingly foolish escapades to spice up his epitaph? Beware all who dote on conventional warfare! Gaze upon the face of your new god and say with great conviction: "Tso Wat!"

:p

[Amhazair]

Anyway, Amhazair, would it surprise you to know that my pretender is alive and well and in possession of all his items, faculties, and limbs?
I noticed him on my scouting report. (Though of course I didn't know about his limbs and stuff from that. :)) Is it a (display) bug of some kind? I don't think I missed anything in that battle that explains him being alive, did I?

[Stagger Lee]

I've encountered the replay bug twice that I can remember. Both times I watched victories that didn't happen. Was there a scout from another nation watching that battle in the second forest (45)? Every time I've heard of the replay bug, somebody saw the actual results. :confused:

I'm going to try to dissect the debug log, or maybe look for help on irc. I'm not sure why he's there at all.

[Bullock]

yeah i ve met this bug several times, and to my point of view it's the worth bug of this game. You are never sure to see in motioned battle what really happen. And i think this bug is happening more often than we think but remain unnoticed most of the time.

[Stagger Lee]

%^&#$%^EGAD&%&*(&^%$!

A friend who tried to help me suggested I move the game folder because of my windows7 security crap and I sent in an empty turn! Aughhhh!

&%#%^&$!

No, I don't want a rollback. F*** me!

but give me 24hrs to figure out what I did & didn't do plz? :sick:

[Bullock]

sure it's done

[Amhazair]

Ah, so that's what happened. I had the impression you didn't move much, so I went to check for stales and you didn't. So I figured it was just strategy. (With the massive scout network I inherited I have a very good view about what happens outside of my small area of influence...:re:)

[Stagger Lee]

I would like to ask for 24hrs this turn and a permanent switch to 72hr hosting. It's not easy looking for answers right now. Thanks.

[Bullock]

Sure it's done.

[Bullock]

Well i m willing to accept your surrender Stagger :)

Agartha is now bigger than you i don't see the point to continue this.

[Stagger Lee]

Size is purely a matter of perspective. Have patience. :)

[Amhazair]

Yes! I'm clearly winning this game. A 50% increase in gem income (the most important graph really) since I subbed into this game clearly means I'm unstopable. Muahahahahaah!

[Stagger Lee]

I hate to do this, I was really hoping to do my turn this afternoon. This weekend is crazy and I really can't sit down at my computer for 2 days at least. Sorry.

[Bullock]

Alright np.
Postponed for 48h

[Stagger Lee]

I've sent my turn a few times last night and today. No message about a problem with it, just no turn in. Bullock - the server accepted a command to postpone the turn in my other game - Blood&Honey.

[Bullock]

well i tried to postponed the turn yesterday but despite the fact my request is in the admin log, nothing happened so i staled :(

[Stagger Lee]

This was clearly a server issue, and I wouldn't have a problem with rolling back. I haven't looked at the turn yet, since I figured it was something like that.

[Bullock]

i heard they were many issues with this, so i never tried.
But considering the game situation it s a good opportunity to try.

i hope the game wont crash :)

[Bullock]

i tried to roll & will have a look to the turn asap.

Mockin don't forget to delete your file before playing this turn since you had already submited your turn.

[Amhazair]

Hang on, let me get this straight: We are actually doing a rollback where eveyone is supposed to redo their turns after seeing the results of what everyone did last time, is that right?

[Bullock]

honestly i didnt watch the turn. So you can send the 2H as it was or replay your turn.

[Stagger Lee]

I never looked at my turn, and did not try to send a revised turn in. Am I seeing llamaserver correctly right now? Did we host overnight and now I'm gonna stale? Or is this the turn where mine is in memory and we haven't hosted since the rollback? I'm on my brother-in-law's laptop and won't have access to the game today. I thought we had 72hrs between turns.

[Bullock]

I never looked at my turn, and did not try to send a revised turn in. Am I seeing llamaserver correctly right now? Did we host overnight and now I'm gonna stale? Or is this the turn where mine is in memory and we haven't hosted since the rollback? I'm on my brother-in-law's laptop and won't have access to the game today. I thought we had 72hrs between turns.

i don't see any stale so i guess it's ok.

[Amhazair]

If you roll back a turn, the Llamaserver keeps the turns that were submitted the first time. (Even though it doesn't show in the 'who submitted' page.) So if you do send in a new turn it uses that one, but if you don't it will just use the old one.

[Stagger Lee]

Yeah, I thought so. I was away and was surprised I was the only outstanding turn. When I got back to the game I saw the turn #s were ok.

[Amhazair]

Bullock, could you add about 24h to the timer? (I hope you see this in time.) I went home to my folks to visit my sister in hospital. (They live close to each other. Will spend the night since tomorrow is my day off work anyway.

[Bullock]

Sure, it has be done in time.

[Bullock]

i postponed for 72h hoping nothing bad happened...

[Amhazair]

Oy! It's me we were waiting for. :o

I was sure I had already submitting my turn*, didn't pay much attention to the delay figuring the turn would show up eventually. Sowwy. :o

Turn is in now.

* I didn't. Checked my e-mail server, and it's totally my fault, not any technical problem.

[Amhazair]

Damn, you decided to stop pussyfooting around didn't you? :)

[Bullock]

Damn, you decided to stop pussyfooting around didn't you? :)

Yeah management is getting heavy, time to finish this =p


Thanks Mockin' for playing til the end. As always it was a pleasure to face you. Got to say that i'm pretty proud to have managed vanquishing you without allies like i'm used to do :)

However i admit that my starting position was more comfortable, and i was in peace all game long until i attacked you, not like you.

Alright 2 left then ! Don't forget that i'm willing to accept your surrender, which could avoid a lot of suffering to your pretender. ;)

[Amhazair]

Don't forget that i'm willing to accept your surrender, which could avoid a lot of suffering to your pretender. ;)Gonna leave this one up to Stagger Lee. I think it's pretty clear where we're headed, and it's not like I've got my heart and soul invested in this game through my history in it or anything like that. (Although I have had some fun with it.) So whatever y'all decide is fine with me. Happy to play on as long as anyone sees a point to it.

[Stagger Lee]

Nah, no sense prolonging it. My mobility and income are gone. You may never get my cap, but you don't need to, and my offensive capabilities are shredded. Good game Bullock! And Amhazair, thanks for subbing and dashing my dreams of glory and such. I had a bad start, and that bubble in mid-game looked scarier than it was. Oh well ...

[mockingbird]

Nice job Bullock. Beyond the first couple of turns of our war, it seemed like every move I made was the wrong one. Which is to your credit.

In retrospect a NAP would have been a good idea, but it seemed so boring. :)

[Bullock]

In that case i'm closing the game.
Thanks everyone for such a nice game.
Hope to see you soon on the field :)

[Immaculate]

I wouldn't mind hearing a very brief AAR about the game from various perspectives.

[Ragnarok-X]

has it started ?