For better or worse (Sending pretenders)

[Bullock]

i'm having lot of fun playing a small team game and was wondering if more people would be interested by this kind of game.

So the idea is to come with a mate to do a 2v2v2v.... game.
I dunno yet exactly how to set predefined starting loc, but i'll find out for this game :)

You can still subscribe if you don't have a mate and find one here later.

Settings (can be discussed):
Gems income: 55
HoF: 15
Renaming: ON
Else is default.
Turn pace: 56h
Diplo between teams: No rule
Mods : CBM / Streamers&standards / Singleagemod

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...?Number=611021
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989

Gamelink: www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=bestorworse

Do not hesitate to give your preferences.

You can change your pick 'til the game starts.

Teams:

Bullock & Nightfall(MA Ryleh & EA Caelum)
Austen & Redfive (EA Hinnom & EA Fomoria)
HoleyDooley & Tigercub (LA Ulm & EA Abysia)
Mattyburn & Mightpeon (EA Helheim & MA Ulm)
Shard & Bannou (EA Agartha & EA Lanka)
Angry_Hominid & bobskizzle (LA Pythium & LA Man)

[Austen]

Sorry... How do you play as a team? Is there a mod, or do people just say they're a team?

[Nosantee]

Think of it as a binding diplomatic thing. Last team standing wins. Opens up a lot more options and fun imo since you get to co-ordinate with a comrade! I'd be jumping in but I'm in Bullocks other team game and it's going smashingly.

[Bullock]

You "just say" :)
But it remains very fun to play like Nosantee said.

[Vanguard X]

Sorry... How do you play as a team? Is there a mod, or do people just say they're a team?

That would be a fantastic idea for a mod!

Basically the only way to work as a team currently is to simply make a binding diplomatic agreement at the start of the game.

However, I can see where an actual mod to help facilitate team play could help quite a bit, and I think a lot of people could enjoy team play too.

[Austen]

I think I'd be up for giving it a go. Think I have a partner lined up too.

[HoleyDooley]

Tigercub and my self will have a go at this.

It'll be EA Abysia and EA Niefelheim for us.

Bring it on!

[Bullock]

Great ! it seems we have 3 teams atm.

I ll start writing down names then.

[Redfive]

I'll be Austen's partner. Don't have a nation selected yet.

[Austen]

Have you picked a map? How many total teams?

[Austen]

For right now, put Redfive and I down for Hinnom and Fomoria.

As far as settings and rules and whatnot, I'm not sure allowing Abysia and Nifelheim on same team is particularly healthy. It severely limits the nations that can reasonably be played as it's difficult to counter opposite auras and extremes like that.

I realize that's the entire point of picking those two nations for a team, but it rules out all sorts of options which is disappointing.

[mattyburn7]

I'm considering jumping in. If someone wants to play and needs a partner IM me. I would be interested.

Cheers!

[Bullock]

Concerning the map it will depends of the number of players. You can make suggestion.

I'm not planning to forbid any duo or nations atm, unless several players want it. Btw you can meet one of them on one side and the other one can't help directly, which i think is the most common situation.

[HoleyDooley]

OMG...Whatever you do, do NOT take Matty as your partner.

He is trustworthy, a decent player and has a great sense of humour.

Personally, these are qualities I find disturbing!!!!!!

[mattyburn7]

LOL...Thanks for the Endorsement!!

[mattyburn7]

I know Holey is just bucking for a few extra pairs of SnakeSkin boots for his Giants in another game!

[Austen]

Concerning the map it will depends of the number of players. You can make suggestion.

I'm not planning to forbid any duo or nations atm, unless several players want it. Btw you can meet one of them on one side and the other one can't help directly, which i think is the most common situation.

I guess that map and gamesize would be important. If there are only 3-4 teams on a wrapping map, then there is a very high chance that a team could have two borders with you. especially as they can cooperate to do just that.

Maybe go 6+ teams and a map that doesn't wrap? You could still get squeezed, but at least it would be a little less risky.

[Bullock]

personally i like wrapped map because you can't hide :)
But since i'm planning to set manually locations i don't mind.

6 teams would be very nice indeed. But 4 or 5 sound also good to me.

I'm waiting to hear from the others about map/settings/restrictions.

[Austen]

I feel you on the map wrapping. thinking about maps like sixlands which only wraps one way, you are prob. going to be surrounded.

And it's not like it's unbeatable, but having to be able to counter heat auras and chill auras at the same time seems like it limits your choices for nations.

But I'm a noob too.. maybe its really easy to stop double blesses chill aura giants and fire aura swarms. I'll do some more research.

[Bullock]

Any other player wanna join ?

[Nightfall]

I feel you on the map wrapping. thinking about maps like sixlands which only wraps one way, you are prob. going to be surrounded.

And it's not like it's unbeatable, but having to be able to counter heat auras and chill auras at the same time seems like it limits your choices for nations.

But I'm a noob too.. maybe its really easy to stop double blesses chill aura giants and fire aura swarms. I'll do some more research.

If you guys don't want to wrap, land of legends would probably be a good map for this kind of game, the middle island has high sites for every province, is no start, and is the most valuable territory.

[shard]

Getting my *** handed to me in another game so I should have time for a new one, and this would be a good opportunity to get one of my other friends into mp.

Will we have team starts (team members are next to each other like in 2v2 RTS games) or would it be completely random?

[Bullock]

If you guys don't want to wrap, land of legends would probably be a good map for this kind of game, the middle island has high sites for every province, is no start, and is the most valuable territory.

Could be indeed a good map & fun to play !


Getting my *** handed to me in another game so I should have time for a new one, and this would be a good opportunity to get one of my other friends into mp.

Will we have team starts (team members are next to each other like in 2v2 RTS games) or would it be completely random?

Welcome in !
I'm planning to set manually the starting loc so you should be side by side.

[Austen]

I think upon further review, we want to be EA Fomoria and EA T'ien Ch'i

[shard]

I think Bannou and I will go for...
EA Agartha and EA Lanka

[Bullock]

Ok so we are looking for a mate to Matty and there is eventually a free slot for another team.

[bobskizzle]

I'll join, pick something for me that isn't too terrible (new to multiplayer). ;)

[mattyburn7]

Bob: I've got 1 guy who may want to play. Let me give him about another day or so...If he says no, then you and I can team.
Cheers!

[Mightypeon]

I would be available, I believe that MA Ulm (the nation I am best with) could coordinate nicely with a nation that has strongish mages and available thugs.

I am fairly experienced though, I am not totally sure if this is supposed to be a "noob" game.
Lastly, I would recommend IRC for close coordination.

[bobskizzle]

I'll go with LA Man for now.

[mattyburn7]

k. The other guy is out...So I can team up with either of you.

[Bullock]

Alright try to coordinate people to make a team and pick nice nations and it s a go.

[Mightypeon]

Sent some PMs. Given that he was first its propably mattyburns choice :)

[mattyburn7]

Dang: tough decisions. I got your PM Mighty and I think we'd work well together. However Bob did ask first.

Bullock: If I team with MightyPeon, were you going to hold out for one more player to fill out 1 more team. I saw a guy in another post. Perhaps could grab him?

[Angry_Hominid]

Hey Id love to get in on the action if there is still room... Happy to play any nation..

[Mightypeon]

This looks beneficial to everyone involved :)
If we are up to 12 players, Land of Legends would become quite the fight in a phone booth though.

[mattyburn7]

Perfect. I can team with Mightypeon and Bobskizzle and Angry_hominid can be last team? Mighty, got your PM's. TOday and tomorrow are very hectic but as soon as I have time for a thoughtful response I will send your way. Cheers

[anticipatient]

I haven't played in a long time, but I've been looking for a game to join. Looks like you still need a player, right?

[Bullock]

Alright guys team up and pick nations.

[Angry_Hominid]

Ok team with Bobskizzle or Anticipacent? This will be my first MP game, so I think I need to be with someone who is somewhat experianced....

[mattyburn7]

ok. I'm EA Helheim with Mightpeon.

[Angry_Hominid]

I'll go EA Pythium with Bobskizzle if he's still in?

[Angry_Hominid]

lol as if to illustrate how newb I am I have just realised there is no EA Pythium...... doh... change mine to EA Ctis then

[Bullock]

Ok im waiting a confirmation for the last team and it's a go.

[Mightypeon]

Very well, Till Lindemann of Ulm will join up with proud Helheimish Death Metallers to bring true good music to the world!

[bobskizzle]

I'll go EA Pythium with Bobskizzle if he's still in?

Yessir

[Bullock]

Alright i guess now i have to work on the map :)

[Bullock]

In the OP i ve uploaded a file with fixed spots.

i will give the password of the file after each team has chosen a color between : black red blue green yellow pink. (my team will get the last one)

Each color represent a team starting loc. (2 spots)


Cheers

[Mightypeon]

BLACK for the Rammstein Nordish Death Metal alliance!

[bobskizzle]

Could you switch me to LA Man? (I like them yay!) Thanks

[Austen]

Red

[HoleyDooley]

Green

[bobskizzle]

Random!

[shard]

This colour:
:shock:

[Bullock]

OK guys the password is : "forthebest" without quotes

Is everybody fine with that splitting ? any comment welcomes

You can also propose your own map splitting since mine is far to be perfect.

[Austen]

I'm mostly looking at ours (red), but I think the eastern cap would be better bumped NE one square. Where it is now puts it a pretty good haul from those bridges.

Also, green seems to have a turtle position. Haven't looked up who green is, but that seems diff than everyone else..

[HoleyDooley]

LOL, I am green but didn't bother to look at the map.....I just like green.

[Bullock]

i don t think there is a spot better an than other for turtling everybody will have only 1 direct opponent.

However i just noticed that i haven't taken in consideration harbors access ... for instance green is kinda advantaged on this point. So i'll do some minor starting change so harbors are at least 2 prov away from any cap.

[Mightypeon]

Observations:
-Red and Green have to share provinces of their cap cycle, I think in reds case it can be avoided
-Teal with have issues supporting each other with 3 movement inhibiting provinces between their caps. On the other hand, slighlty more flexible early expansion
-Green has unmatched Island access, as it will have to contend with only one (usually strong indie) port site to reach it.

Btw, I wish to play with MA Ulm.

[Nightfall]

I'm not sure what colour we end up with, but 2 observations.

Each pair of capitals should be exactly 3 provinces apart from each other so they are minimum distance without overlap.

You need to adjust your own capial into the water.

[Bullock]

alright i ll try to take in consideration most of comments and will do the work tomorrow evening.

[HoleyDooley]

Change of nation for me thanks.

I'll try LA Ulm.

[Bullock]

Observations:
-Red and Green have to share provinces of their cap cycle, I think in reds case it can be avoided
-Teal with have issues supporting each other with 3 movement inhibiting provinces between their caps. On the other hand, slighlty more flexible early expansion
-Green has unmatched Island access, as it will have to contend with only one (usually strong indie) port site to reach it.

Btw, I wish to play with MA Ulm.

I'm not sure what colour we end up with, but 2 observations.

Each pair of capitals should be exactly 3 provinces apart from each other so they are minimum distance without overlap.

You need to adjust your own capial into the water.

i ve moved caps for red & green. For green it will render access of big island slightly harder.

I do agree that teal have a hard position to help each other. So if people don't mind i ll take the water nation which solve the problem. It also solve the problem problem for yellow who had a little less territories than others "in theory".

However if some people don't want a water nation, which i can understand, i ll try to figure out where to place a land nation with teal.

I might also move yellow cap one province on the right if i have a water nation.

[Bullock]

I haven't done the map yet so you can still make comments.

The game is up though, so you can send pretenders.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=bestorworse

[Bullock]

The map is barely done, however there is no EA Pythium. I put you in LA Pythium instead, Bob tell me fast if you were expecting something else. i also have trouble to find EA LAnka nation ID.

But after that we are done.

[bobskizzle]

Sounds fine

[Nightfall]

Bullock, please link the downloads for the mods your using to ensure that everyone is all on the same versions.

[bobskizzle]

The mods are linked on the llamaserver.

[Bullock]

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...?Number=611021
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39989

Here are the links for mods.

And the map is ready and uploaded (nothing to do on your side if you have lands of legends already)

[Mightypeon]

Till Lindemann is in!
For the Hard Rock Revolution!!!

[Mightypeon]

So, whose pretenders are missing?

[Austen]

We're missing two.. I'm one of them, but I will have mine up in the next hour or so..

[Austen]

OK.. mine's in.. just need on more..

[bobskizzle]

Final pretender is in it looks like.

[HoleyDooley]

I think there is an issue with the starting spots.


I am in #148 and my partner is in #48. We are 12 provinces distance apart.

[Bullock]

damn i was hoping we could go one shot.
I ll check that fast and restart the game. Normally there will be no need to resend pretenders.

[Bullock]

OK the problem is your mate has changed from Nief to an other nation. Starting loc are dispatched between nations rather than players.

Tigercub what nation are you playing ?

[HoleyDooley]

Ah sorry, I wasn't clear when I changed to LA Ulm that I was Neif.

I did check a few times to see the change was made you correctly, but you must have changed the first post after i had forgotten about my change.

Tiger is playing EA Abysia.

[Bullock]

Well i have made the changes but for some odd reasons my admin password stopped working so i have to wait for Llama.

[Bullock]

sry for such a slow start but we already need a postpone for holey.

[mattyburn7]

And I apologize folks for being slow on getting my first turn in...One of those days/weekends/weeks. I'll get it in soon folks.

[Bullock]

no need to hurry anymore it seems !

[Angry_Hominid]

Hrm. It seems my starting position is not where it should be (going for the JPEG earlier in the post). Its not the end of the world and im happy to keep playing, but I feel its at a disadvantage in that my cap is only boarded by 2 provinces and will nerf my early expansion.

[Bullock]

i might have made a mistake.
Give me more info, where is your cap?

[Redfive]

whoops..my capitol is in 27...fish out of water

[Bullock]

whoops..my capitol is in 27...fish out of water

weird.
I m waiting for more info from Angry_Hominid and i ll do corrections.

[Angry_Hominid]

Im in province 151... sorry for the late reply!

[HoleyDooley]

This,

HoleyDooley & Tigercub (LA Ulm & EA Nief)= wrong

should read

HoleyDooley & Tigercub (LA Ulm & EA Abysia)= right

In case there is any confusion. Sorry I have not had much of a chance to check the forums lately.

[Bullock]

This,

HoleyDooley & Tigercub (LA Ulm & EA Nief)= wrong

should read

HoleyDooley & Tigercub (LA Ulm & EA Abysia)= right

In case there is any confusion. Sorry I have not had much of a chance to check the forums lately.

yeah i forgot to refresh the main post but it should be good in game right ?

i ll do map corrections asap for 2 issues.

[Bullock]

ok so i have:
Redfive, who is playing EA Fomoria, is spawning at 27 (instead of 135) where it should be Angry_Hominid with LA Pythium ? and LA Pythium get a random spawn.

Is the sentence correct? at least concerning nations ?
Because if it is i don't understand why it's not working properly eveything looks fine.

[Angry_Hominid]

Yeah, im in province 151 which is right up the top squashed in against 2 provinces only... doesnt look like the jpeg you uploaded earlier

[Mightypeon]

Nearly everybody is staling, could be get a clear word on wether there will be a restart?

[Bullock]

Yeah i ve put the game back to start.

I don't understand what's happening, maybe the singleage mod is changing some of the nations ID.

I think i ll host the game on GP server, it would solve the problem.

I ll send him a request asap.

[mattyburn7]

Ok. So can ignore the Turn 3 that just came yesterday?

[Redfive]

I have ignored all of the turns as I started across the map from my partner.

[Bullock]

i've sent the game request to GP so the game should start soon on his server.

It is strongly recommended to play with a password which can be set at the pretender creation.

I'll give you the server IP soon.

[Bullock]

The server should be up & running at :

game.dom3minions.com
26797

Before selecting the nation be sure to have the proper pretender you want to play (with password)

You can connect directly through the game via the "network" option in the menu. No need to bother with mail here.

Also be aware that there is no reminder about the incoming end of the turn like on llamas. There is also more delay to postpone a turn.

If you have any question about the use of the server you can have a look here:

http://www.dom3minions.com/

or post here.

[bbz]

I don't think its a good idea to declare the port publically. Anyone can join this way, what people do is usually send it via PM.
(thats just a word of caution)

[Bullock]

I don't think its a good idea to declare the port publically. Anyone can join this way, what people do is usually send it via PM.
(thats just a word of caution)

It's the same thing on Llamaserver and i have never met the problem.

[Nightfall]

Um, went to join and the game status page lists turn 2, can connect but EA Caelum is not open to join...

[HoleyDooley]

When I go to join, the only option as a nation is EA Lanka.

I am supposed to be LA Ulm.

Not sure what the issue is. I'll await to hear back on this thread.

HD

[bbz]

Have you created a pretender for MA Ulm(with the mods included)?

[Nightfall]

When I go to join, the only option as a nation is EA Lanka.


I get the same, and yes I have a EA Caelum pretender with the correct mods in my /newlords folder. Even deleted and recreated, still the same.

[HoleyDooley]

I set up a new Pretender, CMB, All Ages and Streamers as mods.

Same result, showing only EA Lamka as an option. I ddeleted my only Lanka pretender design, same result.

I notice that when I exit the game from the attempt it defaults to CMB and all Ages mods only.

[bbz]

haha I checked the game, someone has started your game already. You might need to restart, and as I suggested keep the port number hidden and only send it to the players that are going to play via PM.

[shard]

Since its Lanka i have a feeling Bannoob.. i mean Bannou did something - lemme try and check

[Angry_Hominid]

Ugh, sorry im going to have to pull out of this one... I play dom3 whilst at work most of the time (long hours) and the firewall/security software is VERY restrictive but allows email obviously but I cant connect to the dom3 server..

Apologies and goodluck!

[Bullock]

If we start to have leavers, and i can't blame them for that, i think i ll cancel the game. There is still issues and honestly i'm getting bored trying to fix it and of all the mess to start this game.

Apologies guys.

[HoleyDooley]

Whilst I think to cancel this is the way to go given its history,
I certainly thank Bullock for his idea and effort in trying to get it going.

No fault of yours Bull, you put in a lot of effort.

[mattyburn7]

Yes. Thanks for the effort. You put together a lot of games. Every once in awhile bad luck gets it. Cheers Mate!

[bbz]

why not make the next one something like random team game? So you start off random and the first guy you meet gets to be your ally.:) not much synnergy pregame , but afterwards you can start building up the relationship.
Or even easier to implement (and more falut-proof) just start with some random position, then everyone says where their capital is at, and depending on that we pair them up in teams.

[Vanguard X]

If we start to have leavers, and i can't blame them for that, i think i ll cancel the game. There is still issues and honestly i'm getting bored trying to fix it and of all the mess to start this game.

Apologies guys.

I might could join if you need a sub here, or another player. Just let me know what the status of this game is, and if it is still going, or if you want to start up another one or not.

[shard]

If we start to have leavers, and i can't blame them for that, i think i ll cancel the game. There is still issues and honestly i'm getting bored trying to fix it and of all the mess to start this game.

Apologies guys.

Thanks for trying to make it work!

[Bullock]

why not make the next one something like random team game? So you start off random and the first guy you meet gets to be your ally.:) not much synnergy pregame , but afterwards you can start building up the relationship.
Or even easier to implement (and more falut-proof) just start with some random position, then everyone says where their capital is at, and depending on that we pair them up in teams.

Yeah there is some good thinking here.
i will prolly make another game based on those ideas.

Anyway this one is closed.