MP: RNGNoob EA Noob game, Now playing!

[DarkAvenger211]

Starting up an EA game for all noobs :D. Or in general inexperienced players. Lets say at least under 10 games. the settings are below, I will randomly determine your nation. This will encourage learning a new army, and to not power play what you currently know how to.:

Game parameters:
Players: 10

Map: Shadowshore
ERA: EA
Mods: CBM 1.92
Magic site freq: 50
Renaming On
Graph On
Hall of Fame 15
Everything else set as default
Turn length: Initially 30h/turn. Will expand in later game
Diplomacy: Anything goes
Winner: Last man standing
Game exploits forbidden, bla bla bla.

Planning on hosting the Game on llamaserver

Nations:
DarkAvenger211 - C'tis
Angry_Hominid - Hinnom
Meinberg - Hellheim
Aderion - Pangea
Adam J - Maverni
Lunaje - Abysia
HoleyDooley - Lanka
Peacekeeper - Fomoria
Shardphoenix - T'ien Ch'i
shard - Atlantis

Game link:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=RNGNoob

Map download:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=491

[Meinberg]

I'd be interested in signing up for this game myself. It'll be either my first or second, so you can definitely call me a noob.

[Aderion]

I would also like to join this game. I bought this game one month ago, so I am rather inexperienced, especially regarding tactis for the later stages of the game.

Since I am currently playing as Caelum and Arco in two other EA mp games, maybe you exclude them form the possible nation list when you assign me a nation.

[DarkAvenger211]

Alright. I'm not home right now so I'll roll for you guys later tonight. A friend of mine just got the game too and wants to try it out. He's still waiting on forum confirmation though.

6 more to go

[Lunaje]

I like the random nation idea so....time to try multiplayer. Sign me up.

[mattyburn7]

Great Idea DarkAvenger! Not sure if I am going to jump in as I'm pretty busy. If a couple slots stay open I will soon.
CHeers

[Adam J]

Sounds like fun- I'd like in please! I've only played one MP game so far and its on turn 13 so far.

[DarkAvenger211]

Alright. I've generated the rest of you guys' armies. If you want you can start designing your pretenders any time. For now we need to wait for 5 more until we can start the game up.

[Lunaje]

Ouch, what about me? I requested a spot too

(But english it's not my native language so maybe I was misunderstood)

[DarkAvenger211]

Oh yeah sorry. I'll put you in too

[DarkAvenger211]

Still waiting on 4 more. Any other people up to join?

[HoleyDooley]

I'll give it a go, though I am NOT a noob, mind you I am also not that experienced or very good.

I have more than 10 games under my belt, three are finished, the rest are in varying degrees of my demise.

I'll let you make the call if I qualify. Whilst I think I do, I won't be offended if you think I don't.

Cheers.

[Peacekeeper]

ill play if your still taking people. Ive played 5-6 games of dominions 3 but havnt touched it in at least a year.

[DarkAvenger211]

Awesome. I added you both in. Your nations are in the OP

[Shardphoenix]

Random nations? Count me in!
I think, it will be my 10th MP game. :)

[DarkAvenger211]

Great. We only need one more

[shard]

..sure why not? Count me in too please.
Probably my 7-8th mp game over a span of... 3 years?

[DarkAvenger211]

Great! We're full. Now we just need to decide on a map. If no one has any suggestions I'll just pick a suitable one from the server map list.

[DarkAvenger211]

Game is ready. I decided on Cradle of Dominion as the map. The name of the game is RNGNoob, and the link to the game is in the OP.

[Adam J]

Sure we want such a big map? that's over 20 provinces per player, seems like alot... how about shadowshore? It's located here and it looks really pretty. http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=491

[DarkAvenger211]

I like that map actually. I've switched it to that, unless people have any other suggestions

[Adam J]

Thanks Darkavenger- I tried Cradle on singleplayer and it gave me the distinct impression that micromanagement can get much worse on the bigger maps.

[Lunaje]

Map looks god. Adam's post download link works for me, main post doesn't. I'm using Opera btw.

[DarkAvenger211]

Just waiting on shard to upload his atlantis pretender.

[shard]

Sorry for the delay.
Let the games begin, Gentlemen!:up:

[Peacekeeper]

turn 2 is out, heres hoping for no crippling random events for anyone!!

[DarkAvenger211]

My friend in the game is getting weird CD key issues :S. He's going to contact support about it, do you guys mind if I reset it back to pretender upload and wait to get that resolved?

[Peacekeeper]

nuts, i had such great starting neighbours too, but ya i dont mind.

[Lunaje]

It's a crippling issue? But go ahead with reset if needed

[Shardphoenix]

I think, Hinnom missed his first turn completely because of it. I mean - look at army graph, he clearly didn`t recruit even a single soldier. I can see how it can become really crippling.

[Peacekeeper]

ya, when a cd key issue comes up it just doesnt do anything with that turn, its as if you staled it. and since were so early in the game, its really easy to just restart it for him.

[Meinberg]

I am not opposed to a reset, either.

[DarkAvenger211]

Alright. Thanks guys. We'll get this up as soon as we can. we're back to reuploading pretenders, but your pretenders are still there. And we'll get the game started asap

[Peacekeeper]

you might as well start the game and just leave it at turn 1 unless you dont expect your buddy to have any luck with support.

[DarkAvenger211]

There's a chance. I don't want to keep the game off for too long. So we might need a replacement at some point.

[Angry_Hominid]

Im happy to jump in as a replacement if you decide it to be neccessary. Complete newb tho this will be my first MP game.

[DarkAvenger211]

That might have to be the case. As it looks like we're not getting any response yet.

[DarkAvenger211]

Alright Angry_Hominid, you're in. Don't want to hold the game any longer, I'll just make a game some other time for my friend when it's fixed.

You'll be playing Hinnom. So upload your god to RNGNoob

[Shardphoenix]

Angry_Hominid
Don`t forget, that we are using CBM mod. If you create your pretender without CBM enabled - your pretender will be most likely considered "cheat" and turned into archmage with 0 magic paths.
DarkAvenger211
Maybe, you should give him a chance to reroll? Hinnom makes it ridiculously easy to shoot yourself in the leg, so, maybe, not the best nation for a first MP experience ever.

[DarkAvenger211]

Sure, if that's what Angry_Hominid wants, I'll do a reroll. But if you want to keep it, just let me know.

[Angry_Hominid]

Hey sorry for holding you up didnt see this thread update... yeah I wouldnt mind not playing Hinnom if possible, ive tried them in SP.. Sauromatia if thats possible please?

I'll upload my pretender as soon as I get confirmation this is ok?

[Peacekeeper]

its a random nation game, so if you dont want hinnom youll get a random of what is left.

[Angry_Hominid]

ahh ok well if Hinnom is what the last random guy got then i'll go with that np... :) Luck of the draw.. uploading soon

[DarkAvenger211]

Thanks :D

[Angry_Hominid]

Hrmm tried to upload my pretender twice now.... no confirmation email or anything... not sure whats up with it?

[Shardphoenix]

Llamaserver experiences problems. Happens sometimes.

[Peacekeeper]

llamas back up, pretenders are all in. lets get it started ... again.

[DarkAvenger211]

Games running, I don't know if any of you tried to send in turns during the server hiccup. Might want to check to make sure.

[Peacekeeper]

well compared to the last starting position, i want to shoot myself for agreeing to restart! =)

[DarkAvenger211]

Me too haha

[Angry_Hominid]

Me three (only a few bordering provinces!) .... Hinnom are SLOW to start as well!

[Peacekeeper]

Me three (only a few bordering provinces!) .... Hinnom are SLOW to start as well!

your both still better off than me! 1 province seperates atlantis and my capitals. turn 4 and my capital is already being attacked and i have no real way to retaliate against him this early, all i can do is defend. Games already over for me.

[shard]

Sorry about that :(
...but for an aquatic nation in this map the way the seas are connected make expanding into land pretty important - i cant reinforce my expansion party if i stick to the sea and if i hit some kraken/sea troll indeps id be screwed.

[Peacekeeper]

Sorry about that :(
...but for an aquatic nation in this map the way the seas are connected make expanding into land pretty important - i cant reinforce my expansion party if i stick to the sea and if i hit some kraken/sea troll indeps id be screwed.

its not that big a problem to defeat that force you have, the problem is I cant expand this early on while having enough force near my capital to constantly defend it. I basically get to choose who i want to lose to.

[DarkAvenger211]

You could always enlist in the help of other nations.

[Peacekeeper]

hmm, shard staled last turn and so far were waiting on him again for this one. Anyone know if hes been around?

[Lunaje]

I was about to ask the same thing. Weren't you two on an early war? My spies don't reach that part of the world yet.

[Peacekeeper]

ya, he attacked me on turn 3-4, i killed his force and his pretender. He asked me for peace but i declined, and he hasnt played a turn since.

[shard]

Sorry I was out of town for a few days in an area with poor internet connection - basically forgot to download the needed mapfile onto the laptop so I couldnt send in the turn in time and almost missed the last one.

[Shardphoenix]

Meinberg, please, enable private messages on forum!

[Peacekeeper]

byrs guide to turning on PMs:

at the top of your screen, just under the thread title, there will be a list of options in white with a black background (user CP, forum rules, chat, etc). Click on User CP. Once there, under the "settings & options" section, open up "edit options". The second section will be Messaging and Notifications, find the Private Messaging and make sure your "Enable Private Messaging", and only this one, is checked. Once checked, please dont forget to scroll down to the bottom of the page and Save Changes.

[Meinberg]

Private messages have been enabled.

[Lunaje]

According to Mattyburn in a different thread, Hooley Dooley (Lanka) will be away for a few days.
I got this info a bit late given the deadline is in about 4 hours, but anyway, host may see it and extend some hours

[DarkAvenger211]

I'll extend hosting another day if needed.

[Shardphoenix]

Atlantis got Awe heroic ability on his Basalt Queen prophet - now that`s what I call luck!

[Adam J]

Looks like we had two stalls this turn... Atlantis and Hinnom.

[shard]

^}~€#|<>%}~<%#~
Sent the wrong file in last night and didn't check, my bad

[Lunaje]

Hinnom stalled again?

[Adam J]

Looks like it- I don't think we are likely to find a sub... Maybe we should have someone set him ai if angry hominid doesnt show up?

[HoleyDooley]

Angry will NOT show up. He is the admin in Stumble to Victory and is still submitting turns there.

Though he is also last by a country mile in that that game. So it won't be long before he starts to stale there as well.

Just remember his name and don't allow him in future games.

You can forget about seeing him submit another turn here guys.

[DarkAvenger211]

We can't set him AI. He has to do it. I don't see why he hasn't if he doesn't want to play this anymore

[Angry_Hominid]

Sorry for the stales, contrary to the suggestion earlier it wasnt an intentional thing rather an error in the files I was submitting... Anyways ive set myself to AI, goodluck everyone!

Holey - thanks for speaking for me and pot calling kettle, you have staled a number of times in both these games without letting anyone know.

[HoleyDooley]

I staled once in each game due to me going away and overlooking contacting the admins in those two games, as I am in like 12 + games presently. Forgive me for being human.

Angry, as for the error in submitting your files...BALONEY.

You would have received a message and you certainly would have posted here had that been the case.

Goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

[Angry_Hominid]

I staled once in each game due to me going away and overlooking contacting the admins in those two games, as I am in like 12 + games presently. Forgive me for being human.

Angry, as for the error in submitting your files...BALONEY.

You would have received a message and you certainly would have posted here had that been the case.

Goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

Honestly mate im not sure why you are so hostile - I attacked you, it wasnt personal, and it didnt work out for me in the end anyways. I explained my reasoning for attacking you.

As for the error files, I received them, I staled two turns in a row due to incorrectly setting myself to AI.... this is a newb game is it not and this was my FIRST GAME OF MP DOMINIONS 3 EVER so Ive apologised as you can see above.

I think you need to relax a little, this is supposed to be fun isnt it?

Anyways, no hard feelings ... goodluck everyone..

[DarkAvenger211]

Just a little tip if your new. 12 games is kind of a lot to manage. Early games will be easy, but if you make it into mid game with most of those it will take you forever to finish all your turns.

[Peacekeeper]

ya, the sweet spot tends to be between 2 and 4. Get into mid game with 2 and youll be able to spend an hour or two a night on it but even then if you go late with all 4, youll want to punch a wall.

also with that being said, Id like to turn myself AI in this game. Im down to 1 province, have 3 different nations at war with me. I can defend my capital for probably 10-15 turns still but with tera releasing this weekend, I would like to drop teh responsibility of having to send in turns that would have no orders anyway.

[Lunaje]

There were some epic battles at C'tis capital, I had a nice view there.
I'll name it "An endless swarm of chaff, the movie"

[Peacekeeper]

ya, i could have won those fights if i was able to send reinforcements but with maverni jumping me to the south i just wasnt able to.

[Aderion]

Hi everyone,

I won't probably be able to play my next turn in time, thus I would like to request an 12h extension.

[Adam J]

Yeah, I was pretty entertained by the hoard of zombies slowly wearing down the mighty giants. Sorry about targetting you while you were already preoccupied peacekeeper, but it was you or pan and i am pretty sure that my boar warriors do much better against giants then hoards of maenads (and I already had a nap with pan). Of course that's what I am fighting now so I probably made the wrong choice...

[shard]

Hi everyone,

I won't probably be able to play my next turn in time, thus I would like to request an 12h extension.

Bump

[DarkAvenger211]

Crap. I don't know if that's for the current turn, or the one just made.

I'll put in a 12 hour extension now just to be sure. Sorry otherwise :(.

And yeah, I enjoyed seeing how many zombies I could pump out during a fight :P.

[Adam J]

Looks like a couple stalls last turn... C'tis and T'ien C'hi

[DarkAvenger211]

**** I completely missed last turn. Sorry guys

[Shardphoenix]

Damn. Sent wrong turn, staled and generally messed up.
BTW, it`s already turn 35 - and we are still on 24h schedule. Isn`t it too tight?

[DarkAvenger211]

I can bump it to 36 hours if you guys want

[Lunaje]

More hours would be nice, turns are getting tricky.

[DarkAvenger211]

I'll put it up to 36 hours now then.

[shard]

Might not get home in time to do my turn - Id like to request a 3hr extension if possible

[Adam J]

Damn you Puseye! Stay dead already!

[Adam J]

Pan stalled

[Adam J]

Pan stalled again... I think we might need to have someone turn him AI- of course, he's not long for this world and it will be moot in a few turns.

[DarkAvenger211]

Only he can set himself to AI.

[Aderion]

Hi everyone,

sorry to let you all down in this game, but some private emergency occured last weekend and I had not time for dom3 at all. This evening I will probably have time to set myself to ai and submit the turnfile. I assume I am pretty dead anyway in this game.

[Adam J]

Hope everything is okay Aderion. It's just a game, don't worry about a few stales.

[shard]

I am out of town this weekend and would like to request 24h extension

[DarkAvenger211]

Il put that in

[Soyweiser]

Just a small warning, weinberg just went AI in integrity2. So check if he suddenly doesnt do the same here.

(Ps, weinberg, if you are still playing, if you want to quit, either get a sub, or post in the thread that you are going AI).

[Lunaje]

Meinberg is no longer playing here, but thanks for the warning.

[Lunaje]

Damn, I forgot to script that devil so he would actually fight. I have to recognize I'm a little clueless about what to do next this stage of the game.

[HoleyDooley]

Welcome the the steep slope that is the Dom 3 learning curve Lunaje.

[Adam J]

Probably would have beaten me too, I had the wrong weapon for the job there and Bad Touch was busy smashing zombies for a while. Should have had boots of quickness too. As it was, I'm kind of surprised Bad Touch didn't get blinded, you're devil must have cast blindness at least 20 times- even with his resistance there's a fair chance of one getting thru.

[Shardphoenix]

Well, I think, we may end this game. Marverni has clearly won.

[HoleyDooley]

Hard to disagree with your statement Shard.....do others have a different opinion?

Gotta love these square maps.... not...no more of them for me. Wraparounds are far superior in every respect.

HD

[Adam J]

Pretty flattering for you guys to think so, but probably premature to call the game... both Abysia and T'ien C'hi clearly have the power to challenge my claim.

[Lunaje]

I don't know if Marverni has clearly won, but it certainly has a clear lead on many aspects. It is just that AdamJ hasn't attacked us to test his tools.
But I would say it's premature to call the game, even when I haven't had much fun the last turns fighting with Tien Chi over that bottleneck in the north. Feels like moving to the far end of the world to get a fight.
Agree with HD that wraparound maps are probably better, at least for large scale fights.
I would prefer to finish this properly, it may even be quick.

[Shardphoenix]

Pretty flattering for you guys to think so, but probably premature to call the game... both Abysia and T'ien C'hi clearly have the power to challenge my claim.You are kidding, right? You lead Every. Single. Graph. By a large margin.

[Adam J]

If you consider everyone elses gems in aggregate you all have quite a bit more then myself. Plus my army isn't that much larger then yours and Abysia's, and it has more ground to cover. Plus it's largely barechest warriors now, which are awesomely cheap. You've got a ridiculously defensible position on that peninsula, I'm surprised Abysia tried to pick on you up there but then I guess it was you or me and you looked like an easier target since I had some pretty serious armies camped on his border after I took down Pan. I can't even get a scout up there so I have no idea what you're doing up there.

If anything you should be most worried about my research advantage, but that's an advantage which won't necessarily last as you start hitting the big spells as well, and I can't imagine you're more then a few turns away. I'd be surprised if you didn't have all the tools to start pulling out Tartarians between your gift of health and I'm pretty sure you have that spiffy sceptre that gives +3 death. I agree I'm well positioned right now, but it just seems a bit premature to call the game.

[Shardphoenix]

If you consider everyone elses gems in aggregate you all have quite a bit more then myselfEven if we all unite against you - effectiveness of gem-usage will differ, you know? And it isn`t gonna happen, for Aby decided to go berserk on me, together with his Lanka vassal.
. Plus my army isn't that much larger then yours and Abysia's Because mundane armies matter at this stage of the game.
I'd be surprised if you didn't have all the tools to start pulling out Tartarians between your gift of health and I'm pretty sure you have that spiffy sceptre that gives +3 death. Tartarians? What for? They are a waste of N gems and mage-time after all the nerf and introduction of new summons. BTW, I don`t have the scepter. Someone else forged it.
If anything you should be most worried about my research advantageAnd your gold advantage. And your recruit-everywhere-ridiculously-good-mage advantage. And your "can-cast-Master-Enslave-without-communion" advantage.

[Lunaje]

Btw, Lanka is not "my vassal" to any extent. But there is this part of the game where you can actually talk to people and work something out.

And I didn't "go berserk" on you. We clashed over Helheim, and what was I going to do? Sit around quietly in the northern border, while having a leading research neighbor with no so many land passings to the rest of the world? You didn't try to talk to me once, and neither did I, but I'm not the one complaining about Marverni development here.

As for the global picture, I didn't even share a border with Marverni when all this started to happen. And I expected Pangea to have a better time while AdamJ was busy north, but it went down fast. And Shard Phoenix, I did not go after you because looking for an easier target, on the contrary, TC was a dangerous neighbor to had if I wanted to put a fight to Marverni; and I thought there was a window of opportunity to secure that border. Not what happened, as we all can see. But I'm not outraged about this turn of events.
Decisions, decisions, decisions.

[Shardphoenix]

Then how about you cease your hostilities and withdraw forces? :)
I`ll happily withdraw my zmey and any other raiders.

[Adam J]

Tartarians are nerfed and a waste of nature gems? Seriously? And the gold advantage isn't nearly enough to give me the game, I've got less then a 1/3 of total worldwide gold income, which means everyone else together earns over double what I get.

And I don't get your master enslave issue- the druids are awesome, I'll agree, but they can't cast master enslave without a communion unless I gave one of my rare S4s a starshine cap, a ring of wizardry and crystal coin (70 gems)whereby they reach S7. Then I need someone else to cast banner of the northern star to get him to S8. Then I need to blow 8 astral gems and pray that the very fragile and very comatose druid doesn't get killed and lose his 70 gems of equipment because a single master enslave with -3 penetration (-4 from spell +1 from ring) isn't likely to be all that devastating to any army worth blowing all that gems on.

I'm just saying it's early to call the game, there's alot of unknown factors out there which could swing an advantage to someone else, heck Abysia could be sitting on an blood magic or alteration site and be sandbagging- we know he invested alot of research in blood since he's got those arch devils and that tainted earth king hanging out over there. But hey, it's your prerogative, if you want to quit we can't stop you.

[Shardphoenix]

they can't cast master enslave without a communion unless I gave one of my rare S4s a starshine cap, a ring of wizardry and crystal coin (70 gems)whereby they reach S7Replace ring with crystal shield and eye of the void - and you still have free slot for rune smasher.

[Adam J]

Good tip... Unfortunately I am short on water-fire cross paths. Don't suppose you are willing to trade?

[Shardphoenix]

Unfortunately I am short on water-fire cross paths Empower your pretender to 1w. :)

[Adam J]

That's one idea, however I'm pretty sure my pretender and the 50 water gems have better uses.

[Shardphoenix]

Well, you can also empower unfrozen mage in fire. Or a spectre - they have good chance of getting W random too. And neither unfrozens nor spectres have old age issues, unlike your druids.

[Adam J]

Sorry to do this last second but any chance of a 3 hr extension?

[Adam J]

Atlantis has stalled 5 out of the past 6 turns...

[Lunaje]

I didn't notice that. Maybe we should ask what happened, I'll send him a PM.

Adam J - sent you a PM too.

[Lunaje]

No notice from Shard yet. Any ideas on what we should do regarding this?
Atlantis is mostly sea provinces afaik, but has a decent position to do something.

[Adam J]

He vanished from the other game I'm in too (and quite impolitely left some large armies squatting outside my capital!), so I think he's gone for good. The best solution would be to look for a sub, but that might be tough...

[Adam J]

Damn Shardphoenix, new found respect for master enslave... can't believe you got both of my air queens. 18 magic resistance gets no respect. I knew I shouldn't have advanced with that big an army. Anyways, what are we doing about Atlantis? With C'tis destruction, DarkAvenger gave me admin duties. Should we start sub hunting since Atlantis would probably be pretty helpful in stopping my druid juggernaut.

[Lunaje]

A sub for Atlantis would be ok, though it's pretty late game and at least for me the resources difference it's starting to be a heavy burden for the fight. I can't even get my beloved pyre back.

[Shardphoenix]

Damn, looks like LlamaServer doesn`t even SEND the turn to me.
I request 24 h extension just in case.

[Adam J]

Shardphoenix- I've extended the timer 24 hours. There was some wierd llamaserver hiccup- the timer got pushed back a couple hours on its own. I'm also curious about the turn before, the battle showed your cyclops getting surrounded and killed but he apparently made it out in reality. At least he got severely horrormarked.

Lunaje- well your assassination spell spam has done a number on my druids if it makes you feel better. I'll put out a sub request but I don't know what will happen there. A sub is unlikely but someone might like the appeal of a final battle... I've been leaving Atlantis' provinces alone although technically my NAP-3 has expired. Should we turn him AI otherwise or just leave him alone?

[Shardphoenix]

the battle showed your cyclops getting surrounded and killed but he apparently made it out in reality.
He didn`t. That battle was a disaster with my mages going totally offscript and doing crap.

[Shardphoenix]

well your assassination spell spam has done a number on my druids if it makes you feel better. Ashen angels and Earth attacks? It wasn`t him. :)

[Adam J]

Those I wasn't sure about, but I'm pretty certain he's the disease demons, and there's been quite a few of them.

[Adam J]

I need an extension of 24 hrs- got some family issues. Anyone else for a 48hr timer or even 72hr... Micro is getting tough for me.

[Lunaje]

Go ahead with the timer. Which is the current one? Seemed a little short.

[Adam J]

its 36 hours... pretty painful

[Shardphoenix]

OK, let`s see, how it goes now...

[Shardphoenix]

Well. I`ve alchemised everything into that global, so now I`m broke. Besides, Marverni got too much momentum anyway.

[Adam J]

Blew a couple hundred pearls taking it down just to be certain... what are your thoughts lunaje? You guys want to concede? The micro is killing me but the next few turns could be decisive- particularly if I can take abysia's cap or if I get burned and fail.

[Lunaje]

I'm broke like, real broke. How long it will take you to bring the final battle to my cap? I would like to see that one, just for the experience.

[Adam J]

Lunaje- good question... problem for me is the micro involved in planning that attack. Plus I'm not really keen on announcing the precise turn. Suffice it to say it should be pretty soon.

[Shardphoenix]

The micro is killing me but the next few turns could be decisive With your income and gemincome you can replace any losses in couple turns without any real strain on economy. There`s no way we can turn that tide around, so while I might have a trick or two in reserve - I`d prefer to keep it for a game where it could make some real difference.

[Lunaje]

Should we call it a day then? Turn 73 is in like three hours.

[Shardphoenix]

Yes, definitely. Unless you want an epic last stand. :)

[Adam J]

Alrighty then, good game folks! I think I can attribute my win mostly to amazing starting location, pretty good luck with magic sites (20 percent conjuration, 40 percent thaumaturgy- the reason I had a hoard of wendigos, and of course the sorceress site, which broke me into air. And of course druids are spectacular as a recruit anywhere mage. Plus Pan was pretty foolish to go after me by himself, I did a number on his manead hoards with my druids and bladewind. Lunaje- did you have a blood site? I'm impressed by the amount of blood magic you churned out.

[Shardphoenix]

I'm impressed by the amount of blood magic you churned out. That`s how Blood magic works.
Plus Pan was pretty foolish to go after me by himself Maenad-heavy EA Pan CAN go after midgame Marverni by himself - but he needs something more, than unsupported maenad hordes. I`d say alt 7, conj 3, ench 5. :)

[Adam J]

I know blood is handy in that way but abysia doesn't really have amazing blood ability with cap only relatively low level blood plus maybe my scouts sucked but I didn't spot many hunters- I remote assassinated the one batch I found. And without dousing rods it takes more work too. Meanwhile he had a ton of arch devils, vamps and could still send a number of disease demons my way each turn.

[Lunaje]

Well then, good game. Congratz AdamJ.
Wow, two discount sites. I had the blood 20 discount site, yes. But I discovered it too late (didn't know then, they are pretty obvious due to unrest); I started blood late too. But also you didn't discover my other bloddhunters, there were plenty of them.
Pan was a steam roll, and early I was curious how Fomoria went away so fast. He was one of the leading nations, but didn't manage to win over C'tis and seems to have left his back unprotected.

[Adam J]

Honestly I didn't have much to do with Fomoria, I just snatched some nearly free provinces since he was busy with Atlantis and C'tis and he was my only choice for an early war other then Pan who seemed quite a bit more prepared or Atlantis who I couldn't really effectively attack. Plus I figured my fire bless would make my sacreds pretty effective giant killers. C'tis pulled out some nasty castle defenses on Fomoria by casting foul vapors and using skelly spam to clog up the entrance to his fortress. I think Fomoria rushed that attack since he wanted to finish up C'tis and focus on me. Atlantis was pushy about getting Formoria's cap so I let him take it in order to keep the peace with him...

Pan declared war on me just as I finished off with the Fomoria war so I could pretty effectively shift my forces over to the fight with him and my other borders were secure thanks to NAPs with Ctis and Atlantis... I was hoping for a few turns of peace in order to get my research back up to speed but it obviously worked out well for me all the same. Pan scored some early raiding victories but never really won an important battle and his raiders eventually got caught without any lines of retreat. I used reverse communions which could blot out the sun with bladewinds on the second turn of each combat to deal with him maneads(two master matrixes so the communion leaders would power of spheres and earthpower all the slaves on the first turn). I had a few eye of aiming enhanced e3s2n1 mages to throw gifts of heaven at his heavier targets. He finally got his lich to start casting earthquake which was effective the first time but less so afterwards ( I made sure to have my communion leaders cast ironskin/stoneskin to get the whole communion armored up and he couldn't do a first turn earthquake with his lich).

Lunaje, the game is still running so if you want to try out a defense of your cap we can play out the next two-three turns and see how it goes.

[Lunaje]

Oh, I will leave it here at this point. It's been a long game, and since we agreed on conceding victory, I would prefer to take a rest from it now.