Smiting Season (newb-intermediate, LA, CBM 1.92) smiting has begun!

[Groundworm]

Looking for players with some MP experience. Doesn't have to be a lot, but this shouldn't be your first or second MP game.

settings:
Map: Realm of Roaring Rhinos
Players: 12
Mods: CBM 1.92
Era: late age
Indie strength: 7
Magic sites: 45
Hall of fame: 15
score graphs: off
all other settings default
banned nations: Ermor, R'lyeh
hosting: Llamaserver
30h turns until at least turn 30, will advance to 48h afterwards as needed
diplomacy is non-binding, gem/item/province trading remains inviolate

Please do not abandon the game or stale repeatedly without notifying me or posting- I'd much rather find a sub than have someone quit abruptly.

1) Groundworm- Marignon
2) Immaculate- Patala
3) Slobby- Gath
4) Carpetbagger- Pythium
5) Bat/man- Bogarus
6) Finalgenesis- Atlantis
7) decourcy- T'ien Ch'i
8) Snacktime- Utgard
9) shard- Jomon
10) Nightfall- Ulm
11) HoleyDooley- Agartha
12) schoelle- Man
13) Whollaborg- Arcoscephale

[Whollaborg]

I'd like to join playing Acrosephale.

[Groundworm]

You've been around for awhile, but I've never played with you. Are you new to MP? Vet? Somewhere in-between?

[Whollaborg]

I have played few multiplayer games thou not recently, quite sporadically i'd say. I even managed to win one or two ;)

[Immaculate]

Patala.

Interesting that diplomacy is binding. Thats an increasingly unpopular option. Should be interesting how it changes the dynamic.

[Groundworm]

Welcome aboard. Immaculate, why is binding diplomacy becoming unpopular? Would you suggest less rigorous diplomacy?

Non-binding diplomacy certainly has it's place in the game, but I don't know if I'm a fan of securing a NAP with someone and not actually knowing if I have a NAP with them.

[Immaculate]

no- its fine- i am okay with either option. i guess i just played in a lot of more cut-throat games.

[Whollaborg]

I am having a bit of second though on binding diplomacy. How is it enforced in not so rare cases of conflicting treaties the inevitable wars and such would bring?

[Legendary League]

I am having a bit of second though on binding diplomacy. How is it enforced in not so rare cases of conflicting treaties the inevitable wars and such would bring?
Define conflicting treaties?

In general, people only really sign NAPs. Alliances, if any, are always temporary (and never written or binding in any way). You rarely see anything that may be considered, say, a mutual defense pact or somesuch (i.e. X attacks Y, Ys treaty with Z forces them to attack X), because there is only one winner at the end.

I suppose someone can try more zany treaty ideas (and go for things like a double victory), but in the overwhelming majority of cases, you don't see it. And things like gem/item trades are basically always honored, even in games where diplomacy isn't binding. Even in non-binding diplo games, the majority of treaties which are signed are generally maintained (due to the reputation cost of breaking them).

[Slobby]

gath please

[Carpetbagger]

I would like a spot. Will post nation in a bit. :)

[Whollaborg]

You might notice that even a simple NAP cannot be maintained trough the game as there "can be only one".

I am having a bit of second though on binding diplomacy. How is it enforced in not so rare cases of conflicting treaties the inevitable wars and such would bring?
Define conflicting treaties?

In general, people only really sign NAPs. Alliances, if any, are always temporary (and never written or binding in any way). You rarely see anything that may be considered, say, a mutual defense pact or somesuch (i.e. X attacks Y, Ys treaty with Z forces them to attack X), because there is only one winner at the end.

I suppose someone can try more zany treaty ideas (and go for things like a double victory), but in the overwhelming majority of cases, you don't see it. And things like gem/item trades are basically always honored, even in games where diplomacy isn't binding. Even in non-binding diplo games, the majority of treaties which are signed are generally maintained (due to the reputation cost of breaking them).

[Legendary League]

You might notice that even a simple NAP cannot be maintained trough the game as there "can be only one".
Well, that's why every NAP has an expiration clause (either it's timed to last only X amount of turns before being renewed, or, more popularly, there is a cancellation clause which requires X turn notice before the treaty is dissolved and attacks may commence).

[Groundworm]

Welcome aboard, Slobby and Carpetbagger. I'm glad to see at least a few more people interested, since no one had been joining.

If binding diplomacy is really such an issue, I'm willing to change it to non-binding. Those of you who've joined, let me know what you think.

[Bat/man]

Count me in.

I'm a glutton for punishment .. so LA-Agartha.
If thats taken- LA-Mictlan.

and I'll have a surprise for anyone that wants to rush me = )

I'm fine with binding diplomacy, in fact it would be fun to find an "honorouble" game.
but these kinds of games are rare - people are more used to cut throat.
I'm fine with either but prefer binding.

[Groundworm]

Greetings, Bat/man!

What's your MP experience like?

[Bat/man]

Oh I don't know. 50+ games?

But.. I haven't played for 2 years, have never seen cbm 1.92.
And I volunteered to play agartha. So I figure its a wash = ).

[Immaculate]

why down on agartha- no one skelly-spams like them. i don't even think that c'tis can outspam their skellies.

[Bat/man]

In a tight map like shahriver, you are very succeptible to a rush: all the skelly spam in the world doesn't help if you don't have it researched = ).

But, fine... switch me to Bogarus = ).

[Valerius]

Oh I don't know. 50+ games?

Lol. Well, credit to you for being honest but I think you may have just moved to the top of the dogpile list. Hope that's a really good surprise you've got waiting. ;)

50+ games is considerable. So, will the Bat/man reveal his identity after the game?

[Finalgenesis]

Hi Groundworm, it's been half a year since my last MP game almost. I'd like to get my feet wet again, sign me up for Atlantis. I think you were arco in New Kinda noob way back when? Good times =)

I'm definitely newb, still in the 8~ games range and first time on 1.92. I hope I don't get rushed out too quickly!

For binding agreement, I highly recommend very clear and defined rules on it if we go ahead with it, otherwise it WILL go wrong. Let me provide a suggestion (which shed some light on where things can go wrong):

1) Only NAP X can be binding. X may be any non-negative, non-zero integer. For example, NAP using imaginary numbers will not be binding.(Yes this is a bad joke)

2) No last minute declaration (5 minutes before turn resolved), let's say a pm during first 6 hours for 24h turn and 12h for 48h turns will be considered valid, non-valid declaration will be considered valid starting on the next turn.

3) After declaration, 3 turns must occur counted as follows: Ex. NAP 3 - Turn 10 valid declaration made, Turn 11, Turn 12, Turn 13 battle may occur (orders can be given in turn 12)

4) All stealth units other then indie scouts caught will be considered breach of NAP (assassins, unrest generator ...etc are no no). Which leads into another problem, there is no repercussion for breach, in fact it seems like a freebie way to break NAP for war, there is no way to enforce the binding. You could say no stealth units in NAP mate territory period, but what can you do it you find them? End the game (another way to grief the game)?

5) Global spells will not be considered a breach of NAP, or do we want the restriction of not being allowed to cast certain global if you have NAP with anyone? The flip side of the coin is what if you are a long lived race and cast burden of time, while you have NAP 5 with most of your short lived rival?

6) Territory stealing is allowed because of how onerous obtaining proof is (you can't). Consider this example: Nation A is at war with nation B and have NAP 5 with Nation C. Every time Nation B takes a province from Nation A that it can't hold on (with say a ghost rider), Nation C would conveniently attack right after with a single scout to take it, and oddly Nation B doesn't say anything and their actions is in fact fully coordinated throughout, but Nation A cannot attack nation C immediately due to NAP 3, even though clearly Nation C is actively working with B to screw A over.

Basically, binding agreement can often be used as a sucker punching weapon that cause a lot of unhappy *****in', I've seen scenario 5 happen often, and scenario 6 in various variants a few times myself (all in non-binding games thankfully). You can abuse the hell out of binding agreement and cause a lot of grief unless you come up with a textbook sized rule list.

I'm fine either way, and despite the above I don't actually have a clear preference, but I've seen cases where if there was binding agreement it can go against it's original intention (a clean game) and turn it into a mess. So... since we're going binding agreement I'd like a set of very clear and precise rules =) doesn't mean I won't abuse any loopholes though (of which there will guaranteed to be some).

[Whollaborg]

Perhaps this doesn't qualify as a "simple NAP" any more ;)


Well, that's why every NAP has an expiration clause (either it's timed to last only X amount of turns before being renewed, or, more popularly, there is a cancellation clause which requires X turn notice before the treaty is dissolved and attacks may commence).

[Groundworm]

All right, Bat/man, you're in! Shall I put you down for Agartha or Bogarus?

Finalgenesis, I remember you! Great to play with you again! Welcome back! :)

The whole issue of binding vs. non-binding diplomacy seems to be contentious. I'm changing it to non-binding, with the caveat that most of the people I've played with have been more interested in having a good game that's won honorably. If someone does breach a NAP, feel free to call it out publicly so that it's noted for future reference. Things that constitute breaching a NAP include, among others: deliberately overwriting the same global, assassinating commanders, casting remote attack spells (hard to catch), etc. Trades of gems and items, as well as province swapping, are to be considered inviolate regardless.

[Finalgenesis]

I too like the reputation method =)

Now I gotta run up some SP and remove some of this rust.

[Finalgenesis]

Oh just curious, I assume quickhost is off?

[Carpetbagger]

Pythium I choose you!:doh:

[Bat/man]

So, make it Bogarus.

[decourcy]

I am interested but i have no experience with Llama server multiplayer. I am an experienced strategy gamer, with some game development credits, and i have now played several multiplayer games of Dom 3 with a direct IP connection on quick host.

If you are willing to give me a shot i would like Tien Chi or Jomon.

Michael

[Snacktime]

If you'll have me, I'll take Utgard.

I've played about 10 multiplayer games, but haven't played in at least a year and a half and trying to return, FWIW. I've used llamaserver but it's been a while. But I remember it being not too tough.

If you'd rather more experienced players np!

[shard]

I am interested in joining as Jomon, they seem to be vastly different from what I remember.
(Decourcy: I assume since you didnt state a preference, you wouldnt mind going with Tien Chi?)

I have no preference on the type of diplomacy, but a suggestion:

How about for diplomacy to be limited to ingame messaging and any breaches can be publicly announced if necessary (backed up by screenshots if warranted). This way you dont disadvantage those who dont spend so much time on the boards/irc or have arguments over timing of messages....

[Nightfall]

Hey all, I'm happy to join as well.

I'd like to try as LA Ermor, or LA Ulm if people would prefer no Ermor in the game.

[Groundworm]

Excellent! Welcome, everyone!

shard: I've found that the actual communication method makes little difference. I've received communications in-game and by PMs on here, and they've worked equally well. And, for the most part, people seem to live by their word, and don't breach NAPs even with non-binding diplomacy. I'm assuming this will continue to not be an issue.

Nightfall: I forgot to mention that I would prefer no Ermor or R'lyeh, so I'll put you in as Ulm. :)

And that just leaves one slot left!

[Carpetbagger]

bump for that last spot:angel

[Nosantee]

Hmm well not much left as the last to join.

Lets go with LA Man.

[Nosantee]

Hmm well not much left as the last to join.

Lets go with LA Man.

Augh, damn. Scratch that, count me out.
:doh:

[Immaculate]

Wow- this map provides really resource-restricted start sites. I am happy i am not ulm or another resource- intensive nation.

[HoleyDooley]

Agartha Thanks.

[Ragnarok-X]

Im in as ABYSIA. Please confirm here im in and i will upload asap.

EDIT: if not or too late, np.

[CyborgKillerMonster]

May I join and take Man?

[HoleyDooley]

Lol Groundworm...you could have auctioned off the last place in the game!!!!

[Groundworm]

HoleyDooley has the last spot as Agartha- sorry Ragnarok-X and CyborgKillerMonster! :(

I will put the game up now; start submitting pretenders and we'll start when everyone is in!

[Snacktime]

Sounds good - if it's not too late and no one objects, can we allow renaming? It makes keeping track of commanders easier for me, although if there is a particular objection (thematic/RP etc) no problem.

[Bat/man]

May I second that?

[Bat/man]

I am unfamiliar with the shahriver map. Could someone share some info on it?
What does no random sites mean?
I won't be back to my computer until tomorrow so I can't run mapviewer.

[decourcy]

It is a new map for me as well.

I downloaded it and tried it out, it is very colorful. I am a lover of art but i think these colors might be a bit distracting. No sites means that they have removed all of the preset sites, so all sites are random.

I understand why we are going with a small map, large number of players but boy is this going to be and adjustment for me! This is all about early expansion which is what LA T'ien C'hi is not all about. About 11 provinces per player i think.

Mike

[Groundworm]

Renaming is on. Sorry if I forgot to mention that in my original post.

Bat/man- Shahrivar is a fairly open, non-wrap map with a small (12? province) lake in the middle west that is the only water on the map. It's colorful, as decourcy mentioned, and has decent resources, income, and terrain variety. The original map had fixed magic sites (some of which were quite powerful) that were unequally distributed and so gave certain starting spots disproportionate advantages. This version that we're using has them removed.

decourcy- excluding water provinces, Shahrivar has 168, which means that we'll each have 14 on average. This is pretty standard, in my experience, for a small-medium sized game (which is what I'm used to). If people would rather have something a little bigger, I'm not opposed to changing the map to something else. Though if you're worried about LA T'ien Ch'i expansion, check out your Ancestor Vessels!

Do let me know if a significant number of us would like a map change, we can certainly do that. Riverlands is also a possibility- 226 land + 19 water provinces would give us an average of 18-19 provinces each, exclusive of water provs. Would make the game somewhat bigger.

[Nightfall]

Map isn't too small, 14-15 provinces per player is actually on the big side; map looks fine to me...

Keep in mind that average expansion is going to be a little slow anyway, it is LA with indys set to 7, half the starting armies may struggle to take a province...

From the little testing I've done there seems to be a LOT of pop on the map too, which should be interesting.

[decourcy]

No, the map is fine; i need to try new maps more, i have been using Lutes maps almost exclusively.

I also from glancing at the map tonight thought there were 140 land provinces, teach me to glance count.

No, the ancestor vessels are in the top 3 or 4 sacred troops but too expensive for early expansion. I enjoy early age the most so i SP that, but the couple of people i have MP with like MA so we use that, so this is my first experience with LA.

I did a little start on this map and played 6 turns to get an idea... yea, composite bows suck in LA! I miss my Imperial crossbowmen. I had set my archers to 'fire archers' confidently expecting my composite bowmen to slaughter those pathetic short bowmen. Yea, um, they have plate armour. On a short bowmen. Dude.

Mike

[Finalgenesis]

A lovely map, also a first for me. Looking forward to it.

A friendly reminder, for those who have hidden in sand capability and planned to use it, the spell requires wasteland to cast ;)

Btw, can we have quickhost off during the 24 hr turns period? Turn creep is a problem for us working folks.

[Immaculate]

Or just set it to 30h instead of 24 please.

[Bat/man]

After looking at the map, I think I'd like to request a different one.

Roughly half the starting locations have only three neighbors. Such restricted choices, additionally with independents set to 7 .. makes a challenging start for bogarus.. even worse, please.

[HoleyDooley]

If a different map is to be chosen, I vote for a wrap around. No hiding in the corners and no one getting screwed because their in the middle.

[Immaculate]

i have to say i agree with bat/man. this is a tough map for anyone who is slightly cap dependent. But the sizing is right- i feel... otherwise this game will get really really big and unwieldy.

[Finalgenesis]

And I demand cookies... with milk!

Humor aside, I did note the start issue, but that's normally the case with most maps without a "no start" mp fix. Though honestly I have no qualms with a more luck based start generation as is the case here.

I do have a suggestion though if it's a serious enough issue for some players, I recall in a few MP games I was in (including Kindanoob), someone was kind enough to do a "no start" fix to the map. Basically selecting startable spots with as equal a footing as possible, with criteria like each start spot must have at least 4 neighbor and be spaced at 3 away from any other starting spot ...etc.

If needs must I'll volunteer to do this, though it'll be my first (preferably someone more experienced do this instead).

So Groundworm let me know, and if anyone with thoughts on the matter do voice them. I myself have no preference between a mp fixed start or a luck start approach.

[Immaculate]

Roaring Rhinos might fit the bill.

But i am fine if we keep this map- i feel the art is so pretty to look at.

[HoleyDooley]

I 2nd Roaring Rhinos.

[shard]

I vote for any map that has easy access to the sea for everyone...
Is there a link to roaring rhinos? I cant find it on the llama list

[Groundworm]

After looking at Roaring Rhinos, I'm fine with it. To address specific concerns:

Roaring Rhinos has almost exactly the same number of provinces as Shahrivar, with almost the same distribution of land and water provinces. It shouldn't inflate the scale of the game. And it is, as requested, wrap-around. Though, after making several new games and looking at starting positions (about 25 different games), there are definitely some starting positions with only 3 adjacencies.

And I have no issue with 30h turns. Since several people have asked, I'll set turns to 30h. I've seen that done in some games, but I've always wondered: what's the advantage?

So, in sum: map is now Realm of Roaring Rhinos, and turn length will start at 30h.

Map can be downloaded here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=440

[Groundworm]

Just one problem: I was able to successfully upload the fixed version of Shahrivar on to Llamaserver, but for some reason I'm having trouble uploading Realm of Rampaging Roaches. So I haven't actually made the modifications to the game yet.

Can someone assist in uploading the map so that I can change the game settings? Much appreciated!

[HoleyDooley]

Realm of Rampaging Roaches or Realm of Roaring Rhinos?

You can't upload these maps using their original titles, as they already exist on the server under these names. Thus you have to call it a different name, but unless you are altering map from the original, there is no need to upload it on the server...as its already there.

You have a link in the game thread for players to download the map from...and you,we, and I are good to go.

I think I am right in saying this...please jump in somebody if what I said was wrong.

Cheers,

HD

[Groundworm]

Roaring Rhinos.

Everything you said is correct, Holey, but I have to tell llamaserver what map I'm using for the game. In order to do that, the map has to be in the list of llamaserver maps. That's what I'm having trouble with.

[Groundworm]

So I finally managed to submit the map to llamaserver. I hope it works.

The .map file I got when I extracted the map was called roaringrhinosfix.map. I renamed it to roaringrhinos.map, and llamaserver accepted it. Hopefully it won't crash when we try to actually run the game... I'm not sure.

[HoleyDooley]

LOL, well I put it in only to see someone beat me to the punch with a slightly different name...lol.

Houston, we are GO!

[Nightfall]

Grrr...

In the future rather than asking for a change at the last minute, you should maybe bring it up a little earlier.

Especially since I tested several nations and pretenders on the original map to find a combo that I liked.

By the way, I've tried the dowload link for the new map from two different computers now and it has failed to work, which probably explains why I'm a little grumpy about it.

[HoleyDooley]

Download worked fine for me.

[Snacktime]

I tested my pretender on the original map, but I don't see any big issue and I'm fairly indifferent as to what map we use. I calculate a baseline 11 out of 12 chance that I will lose regardless, so I defer to others.

I am however a bit unclear as to what map file I should be downloading at this point, and from where. It seems there were some problems for some folks and maybe some file renames. I'd like to test out the map a bit before we start, if someone can clarify (also do we need to change the file name or anything else?)

Thanks! Snack

[Groundworm]

You shouldn't need to rename anything. Use the download link I posted earlier in this thread- it worked fine for me.

Nightfall, apologies for the confusion/last minute map change. It seemed there were a significant number of people in favor of it.

[Nightfall]

Use the download link I posted earlier in this thread- it worked fine for me.


Still can't connect to that finnish server...

[HoleyDooley]

Nightfall, you may need to have an account with that forum for the map link.

So if you don't have one, just join, the cost is minimal...its free.......

[Carpetbagger]

Glad we are switching maps. Downloaded new map with no problem. looking forward to our game!

[decourcy]

Damn you snacktime! I am only computing a one in 237 chance of victory for myself, how do you rate so high? :)

Mike

[Snacktime]

Yeah my odds were wildly optimistic especially because I am quite sure I don't know all of the ways CBM 1.92 has changed vanilla so I look forward to planning a research path that leads to nowhere. :)

Speaking of which, is there any single document that explains the CBM changes vs. vanilla? As far as I can tell, every changelog for CBM is just listing changes from the previous CBM, but since I've been out of the loop for a while that doesn't help much especially since I find the hard-copy manual still pretty useful.

Then again maybe you would rather roll the Utgardian noob than provide info! :)

[Groundworm]

If you install EDM 1.21 separately and enable it (as opposed to the version that comes with CBM 1.92), it comes with a special testing feature. Start up a new game in the early age, and at the bottom of the nation selection list you'll find "Endgame Diversity Mod, testing nation". If you select this as your nation, you'll have access to every single summon available in EDM as recruitable commanders for 1g & 1 resource. This should allow you to see what they can do, at least, if not what they're actually capable of in battle. Hope this helps.

Let's try to have our pretenders submitted by Wednesday. Still waiting on Whollaborg, Bat/man, shard, and, well... me. :) Does this sound reasonable?

[Nightfall]

Nightfall, you may need to have an account with that forum for the map link.

So if you don't have one, just join, the cost is minimal...its free.......

Didn't help, don't have an issue with any of the other maps on the dom3mods forum, except for the ones on that server... no idea why...

[HoleyDooley]

Nightfall,

PM someone your email address so as they can forward the map to you.

[shard]

I will have mine in within the next few hours

[Bat/man]

I'll have mine in after work.

[HoleyDooley]

Just FYI, Whollaborg's is the last pretender we are waiting on to be uploaded. His last visit to the forum was 27 April.

Today is the 1st of may........

I hope I am wrong....but the maths doesn't add up to a quick start.

[Finalgenesis]

On an unrelated subject, we should probably have a paragraph in the OP on silent quitting too.

How about the one irfna used in noobswithblah:

If you want to quit mid-game for whatever reason, please allow me to find a sub! Just post and say you're done! Having someone stale out or spontaneously go AI really sucks! It's ok if you're losing and want to quit, just say so in this thread and let me find a sub!!!

[Groundworm]

I've updated the original post with the new map, 30h turn duration, and clause about abandoning the game.

HoleyDooley, I was noticing Whollaborg's absence myself. If he shows up and wants to play, that's fine with me, but I've opened the game up for one more slot. If he doesn't show up or we don't get any interest in the next day, I'll start the game tomorrow and we'll just play with 11.

Oh, and thanks to everyone for your thoughts and contributions, as well as your patience. I'm looking forward to playing with you all. :)

[schoelle]

I would be interested - Ulm seems ok for me.

[schoelle]

Sorry - Ulm already taken - Arco then...

[Groundworm]

What's your MP experience like, Schoelle? Have you played in a couple of games?

[schoelle]

I have played a number of games, yes - but just one since I reactivated my game a couple of weeks ago. Never was the heavy duty player, though - I try to win, but I do not make a science out of it.

[Groundworm]

Just making sure you basically know the game and can hold your own. Welcome aboard! We're back up to 12. No rush, Schoelle, but the game will start once you submit your pretender.

[schoelle]

Last question: is it ok if I choose from any of the remaining nations? I would like to run some smaller experiments - I should have a pretender in an hour or so ...

[Groundworm]

Yes, that's fine. Any except Ermor or R'lyeh. Just post your choice so we know who we're fighting.

[Bat/man]

Hellooo

I don't know about arco - but I think I'm the last to post up a pretender. As I said a few hours ago, I'll do so when I get home after work, which is around midnight EST.

Bat/man
aka: Bogarus.

Edit: And now I can't upload the pretender. Groundworm, can you restart it as I signed up for this game(#5).

[decourcy]

Gentle beginnings

sunset signals first turn sent

glory is my fate

-Li Boh

[HoleyDooley]

Well don't be surprised there is a restart!

Not Groundworm's fault though, but seems we have a hijacker or possibly two.

There are submissions for Chelm and Mictlan but no one owning them on the first post. One could be scholle, though he hasn't stated if he has submitted his nation yet, as requested.

Batman of course hasn't submitted his yet, but the game has started.....
thus I can see a restart, and hopefully we can banish either or both of Chelm/Mictlan if they are not supposed to be in this game.

[Bat/man]

Ug.

On page 4, you can see that Cyborg Killer tried to sign up as La-Man, and Ragnarok as abysia.

But they never got acknowledged on page1.. and several people joined thereafter.

[Finalgenesis]

I could've swore that Man (Chelms) was on the OP list before, I'm totally confused now as to who is whom.

Mictlan looks like a mystery entry to me.

I'm fine either keeping this game or restarting, only that it needs to be decided which in the first 2 turns.

Also might want to do an admin e-mail all while getting a reply on the mystery players, otherwise we can't do diplo with them at all.

Ah, I remember the responsibilities of being an admin fondly, thanks Groundworm ;)

[Immaculate]

same.

cheers groundworm.

[Finalgenesis]

Just read through and realized that bat/man's spot has been usurped (brain fart). Definitely a restart

I checked my excel game file which has a list of players and race signed up and Man (chelms) seems to be on the list (also in my MP simulation game). I'll post up the race list / player I have once I get home just for reference.

[Groundworm]

I was going to post about this re: who are Man and Mictlan supposed to be, and why isn't Bogarus listed? But I see I was beaten to the punch.

We will definitely restart the game- I will take the game off of Llamaserver now. Before I put it up again, I would like 2 pieces of information:

1) what nation is Schoelle playing?
2) who signed up as Man (Chelms)? Reason I'm asking is because you're not supposed to be in this game.

Apologies to Bat/man for his spot being usurped. Once we get the 2 above issues resolved, we can restart.

[HoleyDooley]

Good job Groundworm....the joys of being an admin.

[schoelle]

Chelm is me - switched from Arco. Mictlan seems to be the culprit.

[Groundworm]

Excellent! Thanks, schoelle!

The game has now been relegated to the "waiting for pretenders" stage. I booted Mictlan's pretender; all the rest of ours should be good. Bat/man, please submit your pretender when you get the chance, and the *actual* game can get started!

decourcy: looking forward to another first-turn haiku from Li Boh. :)

[Whollaborg]

Sorry,

Particularly nasty flu took me out for couple of days but I could be able to submit a pretender rather soon if you still accept me.

[Groundworm]

Understandable, Whollaborg. Since you're still interested and were one of the first in the game (and Arco is still unclaimed), I'm making an administrative decision to expand the game to 13 players.

Hope no one objects. It lowers provinces/player exclusive of water provs from just over 14 to exactly 13. The game just got a little more cutthroat, but it shouldn't make that much of a difference in the end.

[HoleyDooley]

Good decision Ground and welcome back to the land of the living Whollaborg...until someone kills you thats is.

[Whollaborg]

Thanks to you both :)

Pretender seems to be uploaded. Waiting for llamaserver to host the first turn :)

[Finalgenesis]

Bring it on!

I'm sure we're all rearing to go!

[Whollaborg]

I wonder a bit why llamaserver is still waiting for pretenders even if there is 13/13 pretenders already in?

[decourcy]

The problem that i see is that Schoelle is now playing Chelms not Arcosephalae, and there should only be 12 players.

Mike

[shard]

Admin has to manually start the game i think

[HoleyDooley]

No the # of players has gone to 13 and 13 are in. Whollaborg is Arcoscephale.

See Groundworms memo above.

I think he has set the admin options for the game NOT to auto start, possibly because of what happened the first time.

This means he has to manually start the game.

I have sent Ground a PM saying as much.

[schoelle]

OMG. Just got notified that I have to be away between Friday and Sunday. This means I would need a sub so early in the games. So, I don't mind if you kick me out before it starts. Sorry for the noise :-(

[Bat/man]

Out-of-character:

Everyone has been such a good sport, that I support Groundworm's decision either way.


In-character:

I am so disappointed. Your absence means dinner is now a few steps farther away. I had so looked forward to savoring your marrow cracked from your large bones, now that you've been properly fattened.

I had so looked forward to the vinyard of your blood, hot and salty. And what repast would be complete without music - the lamentations of your women and children - and the sweet smell of razed buildings and farms.

And there is, indeed, a sense of progress and fulfilment to see your dead bodies work my fields to my greater glory.

Perhaps another time, then? To my greater glory - Death my delight - Bogarus my chosen instrument...


Gozar
Prince of Death
Enemy of Children
etc. etc.

[Immaculate]

Finding a sub for a few very early turns should be easy. Everyone knows how to expand...

Ask around a bit.

Lets get this game out of the garage and on the road already. No more car-troubles please or we'll end up on cinder blocks in the front yard with weeds growing all around.

[Gormy]

yeah sorry guys, the miticlan player was me. For my defence this is my first attempt at playing online... which means anyways i wouldn't have made the cut. I tried searching forum for Smiting befor applying though, but have not found any threads which is why I applied.

Looking back I realized I searched in section "locked thread "list of games searching players" and didnt notice last post dated 2008.

Anyways sorry to all, wish you a nice game.

Gormy

[Groundworm]

Gentlemen, Trolls, Princes of Death, etc.,

After many delays, the game is on!

schoelle- I agree with Immaculate. We should be able to find someone who can take care of your empire in the expansion phase for a couple of turns, so don't worry too much about your brief absence.

[Groundworm]

Gormy- no worries, and thanks for letting us know. There are newbie games starting up pretty frequently these days, so if you keep an eye on the forum I'm sure you'll be able to get in one soon. Good luck, and welcome to Dominions! It's always great to see new people joining the community!

[decourcy]

i'll sub for you.

I want you all to know that i hate you very much; the first start had me in the dead center of the island with 4 bridges.... the new one does not waaa!

I've been asked the reason for dwelling in blue-green mountains.
I laugh without answering, heart at ease.
In the mountains, peach blossoms on flowing waters- mysteriously vanish.
There is another reality- not of the human realm.

[Gormy]

i'll sub for you.

I want you all to know that i hate you very much; the first start had me in the dead center of the island with 4 bridges.... the new one does not waaa!


:doh: sorry :doh:

[HoleyDooley]

Gory are you interested in subbing for a few days for schoelle?

[Immaculate]

Hmmmmm... Snacktime- that was very brave. Looks like your pretender lived and even gained some experience.

[Snacktime]

Heh yeah. I playtested it like 20 times at independents level 7 and found the odds to be quite good for me, so I decided to go for it.

[Groundworm]

Allium will be subbing for schoelle while he's out of town this weekend. schoelle, when you get back, PM me your email address and I'll get you back in.

Thanks, Allium!

[Immaculate]

Snacktime: dom10 dragon?

[Nightfall]

I want you all to know that i hate you very much; the first start had me in the dead center of the island with 4 bridges....

Yeah my first start was a lot better too...

Nice to see that Rexor charged forward and got himself killed in fine barbarian tradition.

[Snacktime]

Immaculate: no, a really really mean crone.

seriously, yeah something like that. :)

[decourcy]

Yea, i may be the worlds biggest newb but i can't do the SC thing. Just have to sacrifice to much for an early game advantage. But if someone is Dom 10 i am going to be building a lot of temples!

Mike

[decourcy]

A hero arrived

the heavens have smiled down

the sakura weep

-------------------
with apologies to Jomon

Li Bo

[Snacktime]

One quick question: is diplomacy limited to in-game messaging, or are private messages on here allowed? I'm indifferent, just want to know.

[Groundworm]

PMs are fine... I find it's just a more efficient method of communication than in-game messaging, which has a 1 turn lag time.

[Nightfall]

Please if anyone needs to speak to me, msg me on here, hate in game messages...

[Whollaborg]

If you are last posting your turn - you can finish the next turn first easily as we really do not have much to do at this point. Just to remind the player of Gath :rolleyes: With no offence. As you see I am eager to see this going forward fast :angel

[decourcy]

Anyone almost wiped out yet? Other than me?

Mike

[Immaculate]

who wiped you out decourcy?

[Bat/man]

May I get an 18 hour extension?
Hotmail is down and I can't get my turn.

[Finalgenesis]

Came upon a list of banned exploits and realized our game forgot the standard banned antics list. Stolen from Calahan's game:

Banned Exploits

1. Copying the script orders from Bogus and his friends to others commanders (ie. The 'Fire Commanders' orders).
2. Overloading other players labs by sending them lots of items they did not request. Be they worthless or valuable.
3. Recruiting free Wild Ettin's
4. Exploiting obvious mod bugs. If you find something which is obviously wrong or looks wrong then you have a duty to report it, and not exploit the bug until the admin makes a decision on it.
5. If you notice a player is staling, expecially if it's your current opponent, then you have duty to report it to the admin.
6. Silently beating up a known staling player is being a serious douche bag (see 8).
7. No move-blocking by probing enemy armies with lone commanders. If you want to probe an enemy army then hide a Scout in that province and use the "Attack Current Province" command, as that runs no risk of blocking enemy movement. Any player that uses move-blocking is in immediate violation of the next rule.
8. Being a general douche bag is not allowed in this game. This is probably the most important rule of the game, and if you break it then you can expect to be kicked out.

Looks fine to me, shall we agree to abide by this?

[decourcy]

What is 'staling'?

Mike

[Finalgenesis]

skipped turns, which for our game can be checked here:

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Smiting_Season&action=showstales

[decourcy]

That would be spelled 'stalling' not 'staling'.
two different words.

Mike

[Snacktime]

No it isn't stalling, it's staling, as in the player went stale for the turn (by not making a move). But it's just dom3 lingo anyhow I guess.

[Groundworm]

18 hour extension in place.

[Finalgenesis]

Need 10N, paying 14W. PM me if interested.

[shard]

Having smashed their first wave, the forces of Gath continue to rush headlong into our spears, uncaring of their defenses at home.

Neighbours of Gath, we beseech to you - this is your chance, less it become too late and you become next in line to their F4N9B4 Gibbors!!


PS - Also sorry for the late turns, things have been a bit hectic in real life

[Snacktime]

Any chance I can get a 6 hour delay on hosting? I am traveling all day today and not sure I will have a chance to submit my turn. I appreciate it. I will try to submit sooner if I can.

[Snacktime]

Scratch that, I found time and submitted.

[decourcy]

Did Jomon get his turn in? I was not sure if he made it.

[Immaculate]

Smiting_Season: Staling data

Nation Turn 6 Turn 7 Turn 8 Turn 9 Turn 10 Total stales
Marignon Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Chelms Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Patala Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
T'ien Ch'i Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Gath Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Pythium Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Utgard Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Bogarus Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Jomon Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Atlantis Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Agartha Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Arcoscephale Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0
Ulm Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received 0

[shard]

I did but for some reason the turn took a while to process.

And what a turn it was! A great victory for the honourable samurai, though only the (neighbouring?) Gods know for how long we can maintain our tale...

[Carpetbagger]

Bolstered by Jomon's win over the giants and greedy:envy: of Gaths lands, the Pythium war machine has decided to give notice to Gath that our 3NAP is over. The concern of blessed late game Gibbors is also of a concern and should be to other pretenders. Once the 3NAP has expired Pythium shall invade Gath's lands.

[Immaculate]

Decourcy of Ti'en Ch'i,

We would like to discuss matters of security with you. And yet we cannot because you cannot receive. And so send us an electronic mail message to philgob(at)hotmail(dot)com.

[decourcy]

A gibbon howls this night
A portent of deaths to come
We gaze down from the mountain
Beside our Daoist lord
Our bows howl with the gibbon

Li Bo

[shard]

We invite the most learned Master Li Bo to enable private messaging so that we can send haikus to each other.



Sent from my IPhone

[Finalgenesis]

Can use 5E gems, paying 7W gems.

[decourcy]

I have activated private messaging.
I didn't realize ANYONE was still using vbulletin! Dude that is so 1999. It's like being on the Matrix forums and realizing you cannot attach a 7zip file because they don't know what it is.

Mike

[shard]

I am currently out of town this weekend and would like to request 24h extension

[Groundworm]

Granted.

[Carpetbagger]

Looking to buy one earth boot. contact Pythium if wanting to make a deal.

[Carpetbagger]

Shame Jomon didnt make it in time. He prob only has 6 turns left anyway until his capital is under siege anyway. with the stale he now has no chance left in the game. dare i say ai?

[Carpetbagger]

eating pizza watching the Battle of Pania was enjoyable

[Immaculate]

Darn- i missed it- who fought?

Also - if anyone wants to sell blood slaves, we're always looking for some drugged out virgins- we pay premium cash for premium ladies... shaved only please.

[HoleyDooley]

Damn Immaculate, you have weird tastes.

Women with shaved heads are really unattractive.

[Immaculate]

No accounting for monkeys i guess.... :P

[Carpetbagger]

An army of Royal Guards/Devils breaking a siege VS rock hard Black Templars/Ghuals. Besieged push out invaders.

[HoleyDooley]

No accounting for monkeys i guess.... :P

Don't monkeys shave their arse, or is that just a no growth zone?

[Snacktime]

I really thought the battle of Pania would be less of a blowout...

[Snacktime]

Also seems kinda early to turn Jomon AI, since AI will just idiotically try to break a siege immediately...can we at least get a sub if Jomon is going to disappear? He's got a good many provinces still; I don't know whether he's toast but AI seems premature.

[Carpetbagger]

sure whatev Jomon wants... he logged on but i guess is to busy to reply to our thread. im one of his neighbors, the problem is he has nothing to hold out a seige. He is about to get manlove rushed by two nations. finding a sub is not going to change the outcome, only delay the game for the rest of us.

[Snacktime]

My scouting of Jomon is less than perfect, but if you think he's 6 turns away from even having his capitol under siege, that's a really early turnover to AI. A lot of summoning/recruiting/research can happen in that time, all of which would be frittered hilariously by the AI.

[Carpetbagger]

i was being generous. I give it 2-3 turns until either me or Gath is besiegeing Jomon's capital. with assualt soon to follow he has no troops left. but hey whatever way there is no hope for Jomon

[Groundworm]

I also thought the battle of Pania would be less of a blowout. I'm quite pleased with the way it turned out, though! (sorry, Ulm- it was a good fight!)

I also have no scouting information on Jomon's situation. If it's as bleak as Carpetbagger makes it sound, then I doubt it will be likely to find a sub, though I'll ask some of my friends from previous games, as it's probably not much of a time commitment. Unless shard chimes in- would be nice to hear from him.

[Bat/man]

I have excellent scouting in both Gath and Jomon lands

I do not think this should be left to AI.

The reason we play against players is for the superior challenge.
Let us delay the game until a replacement can be found.

[shard]

Heya sorry for the late reply, I had been around a few timezones over the weekend and totally got the deadline wrong.

However I do aim to make sure I wont be going down easy -

Especially for Pythium..... :mad:

[Carpetbagger]

edit... glad to see you are stil alive shard believe it or not :)

[Nightfall]

I also thought the battle of Pania would be less of a blowout. I'm quite pleased with the way it turned out, though! (sorry, Ulm- it was a good fight!)


Meh, I was intentionly trying something wacky with my pretender this game, and I knew I was pretty stuffed as soon as I spawned on the island (the EXACT reason I wasn't happy about the map change btw); the only hope was to rush one side to establish a foothold on the mainland.

My bad luck held up though with who and what is on all three sides.

That said though, the fight wasn't that one sided, the cavalry was certainly a loss, but I did kill 15 devils I think... the infantry was mostly just a merc and what was left of my starting army (which struggles against indies at 7).

[Finalgenesis]

I won't make it home til right when the current turn resolve, could I ask for a paltry 2 (two) hours extension?

[Groundworm]

The indie strength 7 really does throw a wrench in early expansion... I don't think there are many starting armies that can handle it.

Finalgenesis- extension in place.

[decourcy]

Llamaserver error. I sent my last turn in but the server shows no turns received. I received a turn from a middle era game that i am not part of this morning.

Mike

[Immaculate]

Replaying a turn can really screw up the game much further. Unless you are at war or something, i hate to say it but i suggest we just continue. Perhaps everyone can send you 20-50g for your trouble or something to even things out a bit???? i don't know.

If many players also have the same problem or you are in the middle of a really tide-turning battle series, we need to consider other options.

I.

[decourcy]

What, we can't fix this? Llamaserver sent me someone else's turn; can't this be fixed?

[Immaculate]

Well, that part yes... I was referring to fixing the stale (if there was one- the log does not indicate that there was any stales).

I submitted a turn resend request for you. You should be getting an e-mail. Check to see if the new file you get makes any more sense.

[decourcy]

It is good , we are saved. I have my turn.

[Immaculate]

In the future, if you ever have to do this, you can go hit the 'turn resend' button on the game page (found here (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Smiting_Season)). If you already knew that, please excuse my meddling ways.

[Immaculate]

People of the World,

Humble Patala seeks drugged out virgins. Please sell your daughters and nieces to us. We need 35 blood slaves and will pay hard cash!

[decourcy]

no, i had not known, thanks for telling me.
This is my first llama game.

[Immaculate]

I will be away from computer from friday, May 25th, to Tuesday, May 29th. Can we get a super long may-long weekend extension?

[Groundworm]

Super-long extension (reluctantly :)) granted. Once the turn cycles, I will implement a 96 hour delay.

[Immaculate]

Okay, i will be back wednesday.

[Bat/man]

May I have a 9 hr delay prior to this turn processing?

[Groundworm]

Done.

[Carpetbagger]

snooze

[Snacktime]

I feel like we haven't played for a month.

[Bat/man]

We've past turn 20 - can we make hours between turns longer?
If not, I will need longer for the next turn, as well, as I will not be able to get a turn in Fri night.

[Groundworm]

I hadn't planned on extending the hosting interval until turn 30, as stated in the original post. If more people are in favor of a longer turn limit, I'll reconsider.

Extension on this turn granted.

[Finalgenesis]

I won't make it home til around 6 hours after the upcoming deadline.

Can I ask for a 10 hours extension this turn? (just to be on the safe side)

[Groundworm]

Done.

[decourcy]

I would like to thank everyone for welcoming me into this game, i can only learn by playing. This forum is the polar opposite of another forum in friendliness, which i appreciate.

[Snacktime]

Wait decourcy, are you gone?

[decourcy]

no, why would i be? I am just commenting on how friendly this forum is compared to another. Although my mass composite bowmen do not hurt the Marignon heavy cavalry so this could be dicey!

Of course, Marignon, i would not be sending 60 crossbowmen north to meet your cavalry, i wouldn't do that!

This being my first experience with CBM is a bit tough, i had not realized they had lowered the strength of LA Tien Chi PD. I built more than i should have counting on the best PD in the game, and it was not the PD of vanilla! That was a surprise, and not a good one. Oof.

Mike

[Immaculate]

You must have destruction though right? Alteration and LA Ti'en Ch'i are a very good combination and that lets you wind-guide and spam destruction for your archers.

[decourcy]

yea, not to give to much away but 3 mages did just arrive at the front to cast unidentified spells in battle.

[Snacktime]

It just sounded like a "farewell" message, is the only reason I asked. Yes this is a hearty good time!

[decourcy]

You are about the only player i do not see a province you own. Since you are nowhere near me, i hope you kill lots of people who are near me.

Mike

[Finalgenesis]

Hi may I seek a 4 hours extension to the current turn?

[Groundworm]

4h extension granted.

Marignon seeks a pair of earth boots. Please PM me if you're able/willing to send me a pair, along with the cost.

Thanks!

[Soyweiser]

I would like to thank everyone for welcoming me into this game, i can only learn by playing. This forum is the polar opposite of another forum in friendliness, which i appreciate.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=737&view=findpost&p=22009728

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=737&view=findpost&p=22010755

Ahum. Are you complaining about your own unfriendliness? Tsk tsk tsk.

(Full disclosure, I'm leaving out the posts made by Maerlande).

Just FYI, while this forum might be friendlier, it is also more often wrong, or gives imprecise advice. But a lot of people read both fora, or even more. So next time you start to talk bad about the other forum, you might not want to do it publicly.

Next time, just pick Agartha yourself. Playing well with them in MP is harder than it looks.

Edit, wow dude, you have an attitude problem:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=805944&postcount=449
"some twit"

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=806091&postcount=485

(man, even Bat/man disagrees with you).

Please Mike, take it all a bit less serious. And stop playing the know it all when you only recently joined the game.

[decourcy]

Since i am not welcome on these forums i will no longer post, and i will just finish up this game and stop playing dominions. Hope everyone in this game is having fun.

[Soyweiser]

Please Mike, take it all a bit less serious.

This /\

(One of the big bonusses for being on IRC is, people keep you informed about the stuff that happens in the community. I'm not creepy enough to be stalking this thread).

[Nightfall]

I'm not creepy enough to be stalking this thread.

Actually, that's exactly what you are doing, whether it's collective or individual effort is irrelevant, and it's the most odious of the "high school girl" like clique behaviour that is favoured by some of the people on the dom3mods forum.

Some of the regulars on that forum certainly have opinions worth listening to, and many of them make substantial and important contributions to the dominions community; but the reputation they have as a group is both justified and entirely their own fault.

Regardless of whether decourcy was justified in his feelings or not, and whether he actually quits or not, I find the fact that you thanked him for his last post disgusting, which is a pity, because I had some respect for you before that.

[Snacktime]

Soy, I am totally ignorant of who you are and your past conversations with decourcy. But I do know that this thread is the thread for a perfectly friendly MP game in which (a) decourcy is playing, (b) everyone seems to be playing honorably and having a fine time, and (c) you aren't playing.

So how shall we understand your decision to post? You just felt you had to "stick up for" your other forum? Because decourcy indirectly suggested your forum isn't friendly and he likes this one better?

If you were trying to convince third parties like myself that decourcy is wrong, and actually your other forum is the bee's knees and is quite friendly and welcoming, #epicfail.

I really don't want decourcy to quit and I ask that you don't post on this thread any more. If you feel the need, start your own thread (apparently you have your own forum even) or pm people if you want to have a flamewar. Thanks.

[Soyweiser]

It isn't my forum. It is sombre's. He was banned from here for various reasons. I only tend to voice remarks from people made there (or on irc) because they cannot post here anymore. (And only if I think that the remarks are valuable. Not all maerlande's rants are that worthwhile, or even interesting)).

I only pointed out the hypocrisy inherent in the statements made by decourcy. As his remarks made in the other forum made himself more unwelcome there. He only got the reaction by being a twat there. (And here btw, the posts he made here where linked by this thread: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=774 that is how I found this). Also, decourcy was a source of entertainment on the irc channel. I pointed out that it would be really bad form for people to like decourcies "I quit" message. Hishtagat did. But she felt lonely, so I also thanked it. Bad form. Totally. Disgusting, perhaps. But in a certain way, it is also funny. In a trolling way.

[Hishtagat] I'm all about bad form.
[Hishtagat] I'm The Worst.

But, I didn't start posting about another forum in this thread. You can't just start this stuff and not expect people to react.

One thing, like has been said before, the other forum isn't always a nice place. But it never pretends to be. That is why I can say stuff like **** and ***** and even *********************** **** ***** ******** there, and not here. The people there are twats, over reacting man children, sometimes even. And have a way to much 'in your face' attitude. But they do tend to take a lot of the PC and politics around dom3 a lot less serious.

Personally, I would rather not have decourcy quit. But that is because deep inside I'm a big hippy that wants everybody to get along. (And free love, lets not forget that). But he does need to have a little bit tougher skin. He reaps what he sows. (Of course, now you guys can post about me in other game threads I play in).

@Snacktime, I respect your opinion. But it is rather hard to start a flamewar in pm's :P. And starting a new thread would decrease my troll points (http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue9/troll1.html).

Further discussion about this subject please post here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=774 in the "all rumours are true" thread. If people react to me here (in this "mp smiting season" thread) I will continue to react here. If you guys post at dom3mods, I will respect your wishes and only discuss it there.

[schoelle]

Ok - folks ... I have been beaten - thanks everybody for given me and Chelms a fine time. It really was fun participating, though I was horribly locked in and never had a chance against Patala. Hope all you ambitions to become pretender god succeed. Good bye and thanks for all the fish!

[Finalgenesis]

Hi could I get a 8 hour extension to the current turn? Thanks in advance and apologies.

[Groundworm]

8 hour extension granted.

Schoelle, could you PM me with your situation and your intent? I'm not entirely sure what's been going on between you and Patala, and I want to make certain for myself if there's still some resistance to be offered.

I have no problem with you going AI if you're really, truly finished, I just want to make certain that's the case. Thanks!

[HoleyDooley]

He is finished.....trust me.

I have no issues with him going AI...

His main army...and pretender got smashed....Cap is under siege....its all bad.

HD

[Immaculate]

Schoelle played well. Really well. Patala even tried to get a cease fire a few turns back despite Chelm's much smaller size because he was such a treat. But ultimately luck was against him and a single paralyze got through some pretty high MR and that was the end of Chelms.

I too have no problems with him going AI.

[Groundworm]

All right then. Sounds like you fought really well, schoelle! Thanks for playing, and hope to see you again in another game!

[schoelle]

I might play one or two more turns, just to see how things turn out. If I am not completely wiped out until then, I will go AI.

[Immaculate]

I need a 12 hour extension

[Groundworm]

12 hour extension in place.

[Immaculate]

We should just extend turns 12h in general. Just to allow diplomacy if nothing else.

[Snacktime]

Speaking of extensions, can I get an extra 6 hours this turn? Traveling and chance to post turn may be spotty. Much appreciated.

[Groundworm]

There have been multiple requests for extensions and increases in the turn length, so I'm increasing the hosting interval by 12 hours, to 42 hours. That will also effectively grant a 12 hour extension, Snacktime.

[Carpetbagger]

I call the mighty power of AI :)(

[schoelle]

Oops. Seems that it still wants a turn from me even though I am dead. Don't have access to my machine now. :-(

[Carpetbagger]

Atlantis needs AI it seems.

[Groundworm]

Finalgenesis, what's your story? Are you still here?

Does Atlantis have a viable position yet? Do we need to find a sub?

[Carpetbagger]

No need for a sub for Atlantis imo. Hes being attacked by a hand full of nations and has no troops plus all castles are under siege. Just needs an AI.

[Groundworm]

There's no way for anyone other than Finalgenesis to turn Atlantis AI, unless I give control of the nation to someone else for them to do it.

[Immaculate]

I think thats pretty standard. You just ask for 'someone needed to turn a nation AI in Smiting Season' as a new thread and usually someone volunteers- takes them all of 2 seconds'.

I.

[Bat/man]

May we have a 3 hour extension?

[Groundworm]

Yep, 3 hour extension done.

[Carpetbagger]

This is an SOS to all you other so called pretenders out there. You all are doomed if you do not act against Patala and lizard fog warrior earthquake death.

[Carpetbagger]

Patala has the Chalice, take up the Crusade or the world will surely be to the apes!

[Immaculate]

Hey Carpet,

I'm not quite the threat to Marrignon, Utgard, Agartha, Bogarus, Ti'en Chi and Gath as i am to you. In fact, if you are frightened of me, the world should be that much more frightened of Marrignon, and Utgard who are more powerful than I and of Agartha who i would rank equivalently. No... the world does not worry about Monkeys with chalices since that chalice is following an army around (stealthily) to prevent affliction accumulation because the monkeys have zero death access and no way of getting Tarts. That doesn't even make Zmeys and devils blink.

Still thinking that you should have broken your NAP(5) with me for a few gold? Who bribed you? Think maybe it was one of the nations i listed? Was it worth it? Maybe you should be suing for peace with me- i'm not interested in war with you- thats why i bribed you for a NAP(5). I suggest you rethink your long-term strategy.


PS: @Everyone: anyone want to sell me a skull staff booster? I got the death gems to make it and a bit of gold to pay you for your trouble... i need to start building my tartarian factory (LOL). Seriously though... i would like to buy a skull staff.

[Snacktime]

Can we extend this turn 24 hours? Apologies, I staled last turn because of work and misremembering the deadline, and I just need a bit of extra time over the holiday in the U.S.

[Groundworm]

No worries, 24h extension granted. It actually helps me, too... I was going to scramble to find time for this turn as well.

Sorry for the delay, everyone.

[Bat/man]

Hey Carpet,

I'm not quite the threat to Marrignon, Utgard, Agartha, Bogarus, Ti'en Chi and Gath as i am to you. In fact, if you are frightened of me, the world should be that much more frightened of Marrignon, and Utgard who are more powerful than I and of Agartha who i would rank equivalently. No... the world does not worry about Monkeys with chalices since that chalice is following an army around (stealthily) to prevent affliction accumulation because the monkeys have zero death access and no way of getting Tarts. That doesn't even make Zmeys and devils blink.

Still thinking that you should have broken your NAP(5) with me for a few gold? Who bribed you? Think maybe it was one of the nations i listed? Was it worth it? Maybe you should be suing for peace with me- i'm not interested in war with you- thats why i bribed you for a NAP(5). I suggest you rethink your long-term strategy.


PS: @Everyone: anyone want to sell me a skull staff booster? I got the death gems to make it and a bit of gold to pay you for your trouble... i need to start building my tartarian factory (LOL). Seriously though... i would like to buy a skull staff.

Hrm? Aren't we playing CBM 1.92? Isn't the chalice nerfed to uselessness? I'm soooo rusty!

For the record, I'd like to say we at Bogarus haven't bribed Pythium, I think Carpetbagger is calling it as he sees it.

Bogarus is not sure which is stronger - Marignon or Patala. It's a matchup I'd buy popcorn to see.

[Immaculate]

I said he was bribed because that is what he wrote in his PM to me when he broke the NAP.

[Carpetbagger]

All monkey lies!:)

Patala is the aggressor, I no longer desire an NAP so I am attacked. Marignon is strong but seems to be having a hard time putting an end to Ulm. The chalice healed Patala’s blinded dragon and still has many uses besides just tarts.

I asked for the attention and Pythium’s demise by ending the NAP. When Pythium is rolled by Patala then there will be no question to whom is the top Ape in the game.;)

[Carpetbagger]

"Bat/man have been banned for duplicate accounts"

[Immaculate]

In response to Carpet Bagger's rhetoric (this is sort of fun)...

1) He did indeed write that he was bribed to end his NAP with me.
2) He was responsible for breaking the NAP, not me.
3) I would be a fool not to think that someone breaking a NAP is someone who wants war.
4) I offer you (Pythium) peace.


These factors seem to suggest that Patala is NOT the aggressor.


Bat/man is Chris Pearsedon (spelling?) - that is probably the second account they are referring to.

[Whollaborg]

Concerning Bogarus aggression,

Acrosephale will move into the border fort of Bogarus (prov 130) and will clear it of the vile blood mages. We hope there will not be confrontation with anyone during this border operation of Acrosephale.

[Groundworm]

Bat/man has been banned from the Shrapnel forums. Not sure of the specifics, and it really doesn't matter much. What matters is that he can no longer effectively communicate outside of the game, and this is an insurmountable difficulty for him. He's asked me to find a sub for him. He's willing to continue playing until we do, so hopefully the game won't need to be delayed.

Just letting you all know what's going on.

[Immaculate]

Can i get a 12h extension please?

[Snacktime]

Yes I would also like an extension, and maybe we can just generally increase the turns to 48 hrs?

[Groundworm]

Done and done.

[mattyburn7]

It looks like I am going to take over Bogarus. One question/problem though. I'm trying to find the Realm of Roaring Rhinos map. I tried the link in this thread but it failed. Anyone have a link that I can use?
Thanks!

[Slobby]

Here you go my new nemesis

[mattyburn7]

Nemesis. No. I bring peace, rainbow and lollipops.

[Carpetbagger]

Due to the econ im looking to SELL some precious blood slaves for gold. PM if interested.

[Immaculate]

I'll buy. Seriously. If you don't mind doing business with me.

[Groundworm]

Welcome aboard, mattyburn7, and thanks for subbing!

[mattyburn7]

No Problem at all. A lot going on that turn! Bogarus is busy. Unfortunately most of what went on wasn't good! LOL. WIll be fun :)

[mattyburn7]

Can you postpone hosting 24 hours please?