Tower of the Elephant - Newbie-Intermediate 10/10 - Ongoing

[Tiavals]

A savage battle for supremacy! Only one can remain atop the Tower of the Elephant. Do you dare to test your mettle?

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Hello everyone. Having been away from Dom3 for quite a long time, I decided to host another multiplayer game(we'll be using Llamaserver) for newbies and intermediate players. I'm not sure where my skill level is, but I would guess it's in the intermediate area. I will probably play to the best of my skill, but use a somewhat thematic use of units and such, so this may be a somewhat ruthless game in a sense, especially with Machiavellian diplomacy.


Technically anyone is free to join, but I would prefer that people who join are fairly committed to it, not disappearing suddenly, and aren't some sort of super-players that will sweep the floor with everyone else.


Game name: Tower of the Elephant
Hosting: llamaserver.net
Era: Early
Map: The Hyborian Age
Turns: Slow(48h) - Also using Quickhost(turns will be hosted earlier if everyone has sent their turns already)
Number of Players: 8
Mods: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.92 - Ettin Fix
Diplomacy: Machiavelli

Special rules:
Score graphs off.
Everything else is default.

Players:
Tiavals - Fomoria
Jolly Roger - Tir Na Nog
mattyburn7 - Caelum
Ragnarok-X - Marverni
dark7element - Oceania
schoelle - Niefelheim
Austen - Abysia
Lumix19 - Yomi
HoleyDooley - Tien Chi
Sigil Runestone - Lanka

NOTE:
Please send your pretender gods to pretenders@llamaserver.net
Make sure the CBM 1.92 - wild ettin fix mod is active when you design your pretender god.

The email subject file must be like this: TowerOfElephant

Any and all rules can be modified if people so want. Post and explain why you want something to be different and we'll discuss about it.

If you have questions, I'll try to answer them.

PS
Someone better take Ulm Riddle/Enigma of Steel. ;)

[Jolly Roger]

Hi Juhani,

I´ll join as Tir na aOg.

Thanks for setting up the game.

Cheers, Klaus

[mattyburn7]

I'll jump in as nation undecided.

[Tiavals]

Good that you could join Klaus, and hello to you too mattyburn7. Saving the nation and choosing it strategically, eh? :)

[mattyburn7]

I'm a hack! LOL. Not sure if I want to play one from before or try my hand with something new. Hopefully by process of elimination others will choose for me! LOL

[Ragnarok-X]

Im in as Maverni. Thanks.

[dark7element]

Good to see a new game starting! I'm a relative newb and I've been waiting to get in on a promising game for some time.

Sign me up for Oceania.

[schoelle]

I would like to join ... undecided for a nation.

[schoelle]

Ok - make that Niefelheim ... :-)

[Tiavals]

Great, hello to the new people. Send your pretenders in when you decide on them, you're all approved!

If you don't know how llamaserver works, ask and I shall explain! Although there should be good instructions in the stickies in this forum, I believe, or perhaps the site itself.

[Austen]

I've been wanting to play EA Abysia and this looks to be my chance! Sign me up! :)

[mattyburn7]

I'll go in as Tien Chi

[Lumix19]

I would like to join as Yomi if that's ok. Thanks

[HoleyDooley]

Bloody hell, my ole mate Rag X is in on this one. Can't pass up taking TC and joining in.

Matt you slimy scum bag.:)..your name is on the list and WILL NOT be removed.

Pick a nation don't take death scales this time bro.

OOOps looks like I might be a bit late..that makes 9.

Thanks

HD

[Sigil Runestone]

I would be honored to enter as Lanka if the game requires another player.

[Tiavals]

Well, it seems we're running out of space, so what I ask is this:

The people who have been already approved(all but Holeydooley and Sigil so far), what do you think, can the game take 2 more players? It's up to you. I understand if you want to keep the game small and fast.

As for other people lurking, there's no way we're going to take more than 2 extra players, so try not to post. :)

[HoleyDooley]

If, and that is "if" the vote was in favour of adding 2 more players you might need another map...going from 15 to 12 provinces per player is very cut throat, unless that is of course the preferred style.

[Tiavals]

You are likely correct in that. So, when you cast your opinion, say whether you would like these 2 extra players, and what map you would prefer, to remain in this one, cramped, or change to a larger.

[dark7element]

I would be okay with adding 2 players and switching to a larger map to compensate, IF whichever map we switch to has a decent amount of underwater provinces. I am playing an underwater nation, after all.

Also, I'm sending in my pretender.

[Ragnarok-X]

Im fine, if the games pacing does not slow down, i.e. more players more time between turns etc.

[Tiavals]

Im fine, if the games pacing does not slow down, i.e. more players more time between turns etc.

Well, statistically it will slow down somewhat, but it's impossible to know how much. If we're everyone in the same timezone otherwise, but the new players are in totally different ones, obviously the change is much larger than if we're already distributed well across the Earth.

[dark7element]

Ok, I'm having a bit of a problem with the technical end of things. I can't seem to find the "savedgames" folder in my dominions3 directory where the file for my pretender should be. I see the 'battlemaps', 'doc', 'maps', and 'mods', 'rawsound' and 'tutdata' folders, but not 'savedgames' where the pretender file is supposed to be. Anyone know what the problem is?

[Tiavals]

My guess is you haven't created your pretender with the separate tool for it inside the game. Launch the game, then Game Tools -> Create a Pretender God

After you're done, the game should create a folder called savedgames and there's a "newlords" folder where your god is.

Which would imply you haven't made a single normal game on your computer either, so there's no save folder.

Can't think of anything else at the moment.

Try making a filler game with something in it, then use the tool to create your god.

[mattyburn7]

My vote is definetly to add the 2 and go the bigger map. If Holey wants TC I'll be happy to take Caelum instead!

[Anaconda]

Ok, I'm having a bit of a problem with the technical end of things. I can't seem to find the "savedgames" folder in my dominions3 directory where the file for my pretender should be. I see the 'battlemaps', 'doc', 'maps', and 'mods', 'rawsound' and 'tutdata' folders, but not 'savedgames' where the pretender file is supposed to be. Anyone know what the problem is?

Are you playing with mac or windows?

[schoelle]

Larger map and 2 more is fine with me. The game was marked as slow anyways.

[dark7element]

My guess is you haven't created your pretender with the separate tool for it inside the game. Launch the game, then Game Tools -> Create a Pretender God

After you're done, the game should create a folder called savedgames and there's a "newlords" folder where your god is.

Which would imply you haven't made a single normal game on your computer either, so there's no save folder.

Can't think of anything else at the moment.

Try making a filler game with something in it, then use the tool to create your god.

I did create it with the game tool. And I have made several normal SP games, which save and load normally, so obviously there is a savedgames folder SOMEWHERE on my PC, I just don't know where.

If I can't fix the problem soon, I'll try an uninstall/reinstall.

[fungalreason]

it's probably the Windows7 / Vista issue where saved games and pretenders are stored in another directory from the installation one. You shouldn't need to reinstall.

Look at the top of the second post in Edi's FAQ for more info

[dark7element]

it's probably the Windows7 / Vista issue where saved games and pretenders are stored in another directory from the installation one. You shouldn't need to reinstall.

Look at the top of the second post in Edi's FAQ for more info

Thanks, that allowed me to find it. The previous games of D3 I played were before I upgraded to Vista, so this is the first time I've had to deal with this issue.

[Austen]

New players are fine, but def bigger map.

[Tiavals]

Seems like more players and a bigger map are being approved. Anyone have a suggestion for the map, or estimated provinces per player?

[Sigil Runestone]

Thank you for allowing me to play. I have been eagerly awaiting a chance to play my first mp game, but had to watch all the slots fill up while I waited for Shrapnel to slowly approve my forum registration request. I have played maybe ten sp games, including thrwe trying to "perfect" my present Lanka build. Where may I find the Ettin fix?

I suggest 10ish provinces per player.

Good game to all!

Sigil

[Austen]

15 provinces per player is "normal"

[dark7element]

Hmm, if we're looking for a map with 15 provinces per player, how about Hieronica? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=624249&postcount=1

It has 150 provinces, 19 sea. Not the most exciting or beautiful map I guess, but it looks balanced.

[Sigil Runestone]

15 provinces per player is "normal"

That could explain why I always receive an AI welcome wagon by turn ten.:o

[Tiavals]

Sigil, the download link should be here: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TowerOfElephant

But it doesn't include the normal CBM 1.92, I think, so you'll need to find it elsewhere. Oh, and if you're unfamiliar with llamaserver, you should familiarize yourself with it.


Hieronica seems okay for a map otherwise, but I fear there may be a bunch of terrible starting positions which will result in people requesting a restart of the game.

[mattyburn7]

Holey: I had originally taken TC, but I'm happy to take Caelum if you'd like TC (It was 50-50 choice for me and I've already gotten a non-death 3 setup this time for Caelum! LOL)

[schoelle]

So, have we now decided for a map? I would not mind playing on Urraparrand or Rhinos ...

[dark7element]

Yeah, Urraparrand is fine. Whatever gets the game going fastest.

[HoleyDooley]

Holey: I had originally taken TC, but I'm happy to take Caelum if you'd like TC (It was 50-50 choice for me and I've already gotten a non-death 3 setup this time for Caelum! LOL)

Thanks Matt, i would like TC....I owe you one.

HD

[Sigil Runestone]

Please let me know if I chose the wrong file to send

[dark7element]

We will probably need to resend pretenders anyway, since we're apparently going to change maps.

[Tiavals]

Okay, Map is now Urraparrand. Everyone send your pretenders in. You can see if your pretender is in from this page:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TowerOfElephant

[mattyburn7]

Tiavals: Please make the change on your initial post on this thread. Mattyburn7 now has Caelum. HoleyDooley is playing Tien Chi.
Cheers!

[Tiavals]

Done. Just waiting 2 pretenders, Austen's Abysia and mattyburn7s Caelum and we should be go.

[mattyburn7]

Submitting mine now.

[Tiavals]

And we have begun.

[mattyburn7]

Just a note. Hosting is currently at 24H not 48H.

[Tiavals]

Thanks for telling, I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.

[mattyburn7]

Sigil Runestone: You need to turn on your PM. I'm going to send you a message in game. We are very close neighbors and need to discuss diplomacy. Please turn on PM then we can talk here via PM. Will be much more expedient.

Boy. I am wordy! Thanks!

[Sigil Runestone]

Okay, sorry its on. And, "yay" to early close neighbors!

[schoelle]

Hi Lumix19 - can't send private messages to you ... hope you are not planning to attack the same province that I next turn ... would not want to waste important resources so early in the game. Regards, Niefelheim.

[Lumix19]

Hi Niefelheim, I have just enabled PMs sorry about that. I will not be attacking that province.
Regards, Lumix19

[Tiavals]

Change of plans:

There will be no hosting between Thursday and Sunday, after that things will proceed normally. Thanks for your patience.

[Austen]

Force Host?

[mattyburn7]

I think he turned it off while he's on vacation?

[Sigil Runestone]

The suspense is killing me.:(

[dark7element]

Lets hope he gets back and allows hosting sometime tonight, instead of tomorrow. We all have places to go and heretics to smite.

[Tiavals]

Sorry for the delay folks, new turns are up. Thanks for your semi-patience. ;)

[mattyburn7]

NAPS: There was a long thread on the Main Forum Page regarding Naps and different players interpretations. After discussions with a player in this game I thought it important to post that any nation that has a NAP with me can I expect that As long as the NAP is in play I will not:
1) Attack a province of theirs (obviously)
2) Send any stealthy units (spies, warriors) in their territory other than a Scout. To further clarify. Caelum has stealthy priests. I find it acceptable to send them in as solely a scout role. If you differ in opinion please let me know and I'll keep them out.
3) I will not aid an enemy of yours by providing gifts (money, gems, items) to be used against you. I do find trading forged objects for gems acceptable at fair market value.
4) I will not dispel or overwrite a global you have cast. Of course I have every write to cast a global that might inadvertently replace an existing one if 5 are on the board.

I think that about covers it. If I missed something obscure, please let me know. Just wanted to let everyone know what a NAP with me means.

Cheers Mates

[Jolly Roger]

Mate,

that sounds definetely reasonable.

Regards, Klaus

[Sigil Runestone]

I think all your points are reasonable and honorable, and I certainly trust you regarding stealthy preachers as scouts only.


I also now think there is *a lot* of diplomacy going on suddenly. :D

Sigil

[mattyburn7]

Yes around turn 10 everyone really starts bumping into each other!

[Sigil Runestone]

My power went out an hour ago. Sending extension request to host.

[Tiavals]

Granted. Turn has been postponed by 24 hours.

[schoelle]

Hmm - did Lanka stall?

[Tiavals]

Hmm - did Lanka stall?

Nope.

[Sigil Runestone]

Lanka got home very late from working on the new house and scampered in to get his turns finished before getting only three hours of sleep tonight since his son has a neurology appointment in the morning did you notice the lack of punctuation I think it is a sleep issue don't you?

SiGiL

no keyboards were hurt or even frightened by the above message.

[Tiavals]

Lanka got home very late from working on the new house and scampered in to get his turns finished before getting only three hours of sleep tonight since his son has a neurology appointment in the morning did you notice the lack of punctuation I think it is a sleep issue don't you?

SiGiL

no keyboards were hurt or even frightened by the above message.

You can always ask for more time-outs if you know you'll be late in advance. :angel

[Lumix19]

I'm pretty sure I have no chance of winning since I idiotically attacked Abysia who proceeded to quickly trounce my armies and take my territory. Still I'm a petty, spiteful person so I'm just calling to any of Abysia's neighbours to attack Abysia and get some land which might be relatively undefended. ;)

[Sigil Runestone]

Going to be last-minute tonight for Lanka but I will be there.

[Tiavals]

Let it be known through the lands that Caelum, Lanka and Oceania have formed an unholy alliance and have attacked me, Fomoria. Now would be a good time to attack them, as their armies march toward my borders, leaving their own lands undefended.

[Ragnarok-X]

Interesting. Now i realize why Oceania was so worried. I will use that.

[Sigil Runestone]

Nothing unholy about it; I brought cookies!

[schoelle]

Just a warning: I am starting my holiday next Saturday morning, and will travel to France. I will try to get an internet stick for my laptop there ASAP, but I might not be able to do so on Sunday. I should be able to get internet by Monday, latest.

[Tiavals]

Just a warning: I am starting my holiday next Saturday morning, and will travel to France. I will try to get an internet stick for my laptop there ASAP, but I might not be able to do so on Sunday. I should be able to get internet by Monday, latest.

I'll delay the turn if it needs to be done and I remember it.

[Austen]

Maybe force-host? TC is only one not turned in and they were eliminated..

[Tiavals]

Done. I'll postpone the turns now so schoelle will have more time.

[Jolly Roger]

Gentlemen,

I´m on vacation.

JimboJones will replace me for that period.

Cheers, Klaus

[schoelle]

I have holiday internet! Horray!!

[Lumix19]

To All

Abysia is now sieging my last fortress which is incidentally my last province so I'm going to die in a few turns. Just wanted to wish everyone good luck with the game, it was very enjoyable and Yomi is a fun nation to play. :)

[mattyburn7]

Thanks for playing. Hope to see you in another game soon!

[Austen]

In the interests of full disclosure, the peaceful people of Abysia want to make it clear that we were attacked by demons while we were quietly sitting on our labs trying to invent a freezer that actually works around here..

Lumix was prob squeezed for provinces though and had to do something. Thanks for the fight, no hard feelings and see you in the next one! :)

To All

Abysia is now sieging my last fortress which is incidentally my last province so I'm going to die in a few turns. Just wanted to wish everyone good luck with the game, it was very enjoyable and Yomi is a fun nation to play. :)

[Lumix19]

In the interests of full disclosure, the peaceful people of Abysia want to make it clear that we were attacked by demons while we were quietly sitting on our labs trying to invent a freezer that actually works around here..

Lumix was prob squeezed for provinces though and had to do something. Thanks for the fight, no hard feelings and see you in the next one! :)

To All

Abysia is now sieging my last fortress which is incidentally my last province so I'm going to die in a few turns. Just wanted to wish everyone good luck with the game, it was very enjoyable and Yomi is a fun nation to play. :)

This is all true, I only had about 5 provinces and was afraid I would fall behind everyone else but it was a fun fight. Anyway hope to see you all again too. :D

[John_Madlock]

Hello, I think I'm a sub for Schoelle (Niefelheim).

[Ragnarok-X]

Welcome then.

[schoelle]

Who is currently the admin? Had written a mail to tiavals, but no reply yet. I am currently a little Internet handicapped with only an I phone. John_Madlock wanted to sub for me until the 28th.

[Ragnarok-X]

It should be Tiavals. Do you want me to send him a PM ?

[Tiavals]

I may be fast usually, but I'm not omnipresent. Sorry for the slowness. :)

[John_Madlock]

Tir na n'Og (or something like that XD) stalled this and maybe the previous turn.

[Ragnarok-X]

You can check the log on llamaserver to see he did not stall last turn.

[mattyburn7]

I know Tir was away for a bit...he should be back.

[Jolly Roger]

Hi Gentlemen,

I´m back from holidays. Thought JimboJones will replace me permanently.

Seems like Tir Na Og is going down by staled turns ?

If necessary I´d take back command.

Cheers, Klaus

[Ragnarok-X]

Eh, what ?
Tir got 2 stale turns in total.

One of them in the last 5 turns.
Where you get that Tir is going down by staled turns, lol !

[Jolly Roger]

Ohh, did you manage to win some battles during my vacation....:clap:

LOL

[Jolly Roger]

Did you mean, you are bringing down Tir na Og ?

[jimbojones1971]

Did you mean, you are bringing down Tir na Og ?

Whoever Marverni is, they are making my life most unfortunate.

I do however have a ready store of nasty messages to send him, so I am confident in ultimate victory.

Klaus: I will send you a proper email soon. Welcome back!

[schoelle]

Back from my holidays and ready to take control again. :-)

[Tiavals]

Done. You should have the new turn in your email.

[Sigil Runestone]

That was way too close to the time limit!

[Sigil Runestone]

PM'd host requesting 12 hours added to limit.

[Tiavals]

Yeah, I put it forward already.

[Sigil Runestone]

Um, yeah..... noticed that after I posted. Heh ...heh.

[Ragnarok-X]

TIR has one province left and is stalling since 2 turns.
Please process the turn now. Its getting annoying to wait more than one day more just because one single prick is not submitting his turn.

And just for the record, when i call the player playing Tir a prick, i mean it.

[Tiavals]

I've noticed that you have some severe emotional outburst problems Ragnarok-X. :)

The gamespeed was defined as Slow, and slow it is. Besides, this is a newbie game, meant for fun. No need to get so riled about everything. :)

But your point stands, I force hosted it.

[Austen]

As I outlined in a couple other games, my RL has gotten pretty upside down lately and I don't have time for all the Dom I have been playing. Can I get a 48 hour postponement? I think I am going to need to find a sub for this game. Sorry for the hold up, but I think it will be for the best.

[Sigil Runestone]

Ulm is stuck in the hospital on call, pm'ing host for 24 hour delay.

Edit: that's what I get for not refreshing my browser before posting!

[Tiavals]

Sorry Ragnarok, the delays continue. :)

[jimbojones1971]

Ragnarok-X, you useless plonker - why is it, after an enforced absence from this game that i inherited by accident, I am still alive? More to the point, why is it that you have 400+ units camped on my capital, and I haven't lost ANY of the fortification value? All the while, my guys are also well fed with a negative supply value. Sigh.

Your incompetence and stupidity make me sad. For love of god, man up and find a way to finish it you turkey.

[Anaconda]

Pics or it didnt happen!

[Ragnarok-X]

Truth be told, he is right.b
I dont know exactly why or how but his cap is well despite being under siege for quite some time and with a massive army on top of it.
Fortunally, my sieging army is well, too so i dont really care.

Ill find out how he is holding the walls sooner or later and im already really anxious how he is doing it.

I dont see a specific summon or item that has a the defender bonus.

[dark7element]

Ragnarok-X, you useless plonker - why is it, after an enforced absence from this game that i inherited by accident, I am still alive? More to the point, why is it that you have 400+ units camped on my capital, and I haven't lost ANY of the fortification value? All the while, my guys are also well fed with a negative supply value. Sigh.

Your incompetence and stupidity make me sad. For love of god, man up and find a way to finish it you turkey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8ViGvCrL8

[jimbojones1971]

It's quite a solvable problem IMO, but I'm not going to throw any hints out there - where is the fun in that? More fun just to sit back and relax, watch the show and revel in your impotence and stupidity.

I am kind surprised that no-one else has taken the chance to kick seven shades of s**t out you while so many of your guys are off staring at a wall and feeling inadequate, but hey that's their choice. Maybe your winning personality is acting in your favour, Rag-X?

[Austen]

Hey guys, Maerlande is going to take over Abysia for me in this game. I've PMed Tivalis so he can get the email address changed. It's worth noting that Maerlande is one of the many, many users banned from this site, and as such you will need to PM him on the dom3mods forum if you need to contact him.

Sorry for the disruption, I've enjoyed the game, but I just don't have the time to be putting into all these games right now. Best of luck to you all. :)

[Ragnarok-X]

More like i still have plenty of stuff around and there are bigger fish than me. Plus i have decent relations with my imminent neighbours.

But you rage like you are actually angry. Are you ?

[jimbojones1971]

But you rage like you are actually angry. Are you ?

I'm a bit too apathetic to be angry. Or even cranky. Mostly I just want these TNN hobos to die in horrible horrible pain so that I don't need to worry about them anymore as time is a bit tight at the moment. And I blame you for not putting me out of my agony faster.

Will being nice convince you to hurry up? I'm not actually sure if I am capable of being nice to you RagX, but I guess this is the internet so maybe I could fake it if that helps? "Please, please, please, for love of all that is good and holy in the world, hop over that wall and murderinate me, that's a good lad." <Pats Raggy on the head and offers him a stale cracker>

Is it working yet?

[Sigil Runestone]

He certainly sounds angry. :viking:

In any case, Lanka is back online barring the unforseen.

[Ragnarok-X]

Riddle solved. It was all Sea Dogs. If i remember right, that is 7 Dogs for 1 gem. I thought Animals are no good at defending walls just like mindless units, but that is obviously wrong.

[jimbojones1971]

Riddle solved. It was all Sea Dogs. If i remember right, that is 7 Dogs for 1 gem. I thought Animals are no good at defending walls just like mindless units, but that is obviously wrong.

Yeah, you've pretty much nailed it. I have no idea how that plays out (dogs carrying bricks in their mouths to shore up the walls?), but apparently it works. Woof! :-)

EDIT: It is probably worth mentioning that my pretender seems to excrete water gems when she goes to the bathroom to do number twos (sounds painful), which the faithful then wash off and .... turn into more sea dogs. Between that and having no supply issues, this is basically the dog capital of the known world.

[jimbojones1971]

If I am reading the signs right, it looks like Raggy-X Baby has decided upon a new strategy to eliminate me. If so, i think it will work well.

Although it is not quite as much fun as the Ragster's earlier strategy of "lets not pay attention to Dom3 turn resolution order and cloud trapeze my mages to die a sad lonely death before I move my land troops in to bury their mutilated corpses", but I guess it is unreasonable to expect such comedy genius twice in one game. Sigh. Such good times!

[Ragnarok-X]

Firstly, your mocking is not funny.
Secondly, i lost a single mage due to the teleport, not cloud trapeze.
Lastly, shall i post the story about the heroic act of sacrificing your Pretender way back in the game ?

[jimbojones1971]

Firstly, your mocking is not funny.
Secondly, i lost a single mage due to the teleport, not cloud trapeze.
Lastly, shall i post the story about the heroic act of sacrificing your Pretender way back in the game ?

I can't remember the bit about the pretender (it might have been the previous guy - I took this nation over remember), but you could always post the story about totally exterminating my horde of fully kitted Niefel Jarls in that other game (ATCU?) when I tried to storm your castle and totally exploded. Now that I am over the rage and humiliation, it is actually pretty funny (not to mention educational, since you clearly outplayed me).

EDIT: I think there might even be a link to the live action event in the ATCU thread, if anyone needs a good laugh at my expense.

[jimbojones1971]

Yo, Raggy - you've made some serious progress on those walls this turn. High fives all round, girl!

With a bit of luck, my horrible demise is just around the corner.

[Ragnarok-X]

So im actually tearing down the walls, for real ?
I didnt think i could outstrength your 7 dogs+ each turn.

[Ragnarok-X]

Maverni is looking for Nature Gems. I can trade pretty much everything else at 1 to 1.
Write me a PM if interested.
In addition, im looking for the Skull of Fire booster Item and will pay 13 gems of your choice for it (it costs 5D 5F).

thanks

[jimbojones1971]

So im actually tearing down the walls, for real ?
I didnt think i could outstrength your 7 dogs+ each turn.

You did like 200 points of damage this turn (I went from full to 46 left in one turn - so however many points that is), so yeah - serious progress :-)

I have cast Iron Walls though (+200 points of wall strength while it is up), and summoned another 49 sea dogs and a bunch of vine men too, so I might have delayed my horrible death a bit longer. Truth be told, I'll be glad when it is over, but I feel compelled to do my best to make a decent fight of it!

[jimbojones1971]

So my wall strength went from 46 to 56 this turn, but I also cast Iron Walls.

I'm not sure if Iron Walls is included in the wall strength shown. If it is, the Raggster has made some awesome progress (190 points) towards busting down my gate and pillaging me (mmm, sexy). If no, he's going backwards (by 10 points) - in which case I am most sad.

For reference, there are over 500 of Marverni's dudes sitting on my capital, including ~20 cave drakes etc etc. So if you are anywhere near the north of Marverni, and fancy some bargain based territorial acquisition, now is a good time to buy :-)

[Ragnarok-X]

Jimbo, i will explain it to you. You fail. You did cast Iron Walls midsiege where it has no effect. It raises the maximum amount, not the current amount. Basicly, you set your castle from 46/250 to 46/450 and then you gained 10 strength because im replacing militia with more beef. I could have told you earlier but i thought i will let you know once you actually casted it.

[jimbojones1971]

Yeah, Calahan has kindly explained it to me. For those who are interested:

*** Begin Explanation ***
I''d let you know that Iron Walls only works if it is cast before a siege is in progress. It is literally worthless if you cast it during a siege.

The wall strength from Iron Walls gets directly added to the wall strength in the fort info screen. So if the fort had 250 defence then the display would say 450 while Iron Walls was in effect. If the wall strength this turn went from 46 to 56, then that means you repaired the walls, and you should have got a message saying (or words to these effect)

"Fort X is under siege, but they can not harm our walls"

and the other guy should have got a message saying

"Fort X is under siege, but the defenders are repairing the walls faster than we can knock them down."
*** End Explanation ***

Also, I see you've been using that Tardis to go back and forwards in time again, dude. Funky. I only mentioned Iron Walls AFTER I cast it, but you (being the clever dude you are) knew about it BEFORE I cast it - and cunningly didn't tell me! You are so cool - here is a trophy for your efforts, as you are clearly one of nature's born WINNERS! :up:

[Sigil Runestone]

:argue:

[Ragnarok-X]

So much anger. Lets see if your dogs do you any good in that.

[Soyweiser]

Added iron walls to the list of spells that need to have their description tweaked.

Play nice now children.

[jimbojones1971]

Play nice now children.

Make me :p

Try not to f*** this up, Ragnarok, you perverted monkey toucher.

I'm seriously over this game and just want it to end. :hurt::sick:

Although I will of course miss your pleasant company. Maybe we should become pen pals or something? That way, everytime I get depressed about life I could just send you a message and laugh at whatever batsh*t crazy stuff you write in return. :D

[Sigil Runestone]

Try not to f*** this up, Ragnarok, you perverted monkey toucher.


Lanka's PD does not approve of this message.

[jimbojones1971]

Try not to f*** this up, Ragnarok, you perverted monkey toucher.


Lanka's PD does not approve of this message.

My apologies to Lanka's PD - I can assure you that touching you is in no way perverted, and I have the photos to prove it. Fancy a movie and a trip back to my place to see my etchings? :)

[jimbojones1971]

Last turn is in - bring on the sweet, sweet death :D

[jimbojones1971]

Regrettably, I still live - although likely not for much longer.

Also - darn that is a lot of dogs!

[Soyweiser]

Play nice now children.

Make me :p


I would! IF you played your turns:
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Tengugeddon&action=showstales BAD AMBAD!

:D

[Sigil Runestone]

Play nice now children.

Make me :p


I would! IF you played your turns:
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Tengugeddon&action=showstales BAD AMBAD!

:D

Now that's some Dom3 dirty laundry! Ouch.

[Soyweiser]

Well, he did pick the best name to play a staling nation :D. AMBAD! AMBAD! (Sounds like something strongbad would say).

Jimbo is simply in too many games imho. (And I understand, at a certain point in games you sometimes stop caring and start staling).

[jimbojones1971]

Well, he did pick the best name to play a staling nation :D. AMBAD! AMBAD! (Sounds like something strongbad would say).

Jimbo is simply in too many games imho. (And I understand, at a certain point in games you sometimes stop caring and start staling).

Yeah, that game is the bane of my existence. Oh well. At least i can still mind hunt Zmey to pass the time ...

[Soyweiser]

That was you! You bastard!

Did take a lot of tries didn't it? Stupid zmey, going in the HoF getting the +mr ability, and then getting feebleminded...

[jimbojones1971]

That was you! You bastard!

Did take a lot of tries didn't it? Stupid zmey, going in the HoF getting the +mr ability, and then getting feebleminded...

Yeah, took four tries to nail him. Suspect I got lucky - in another game I have been MHing a particularly annoying Zmey using penetration augmented flunkies, and still bouncing off.

[Soyweiser]

Yeah, it sucked, because I was moving him away to get healed.

[jimbojones1971]

If it helps, I did it with love Soy - I did it with love. And not some sort of sick pretending-to-be-a-gasmask-wearing-latex-nazi-nurse love either. Although there was a rubber glove involved. Sigh. Why must is always sound so sordid the day after?

[Soyweiser]

Ow, I still have the happy memories. You want that glove back? You'd never guess where I found that one. *nudge nudge* *wink wink*. It is a bit sticky now. Hope you do not mind.

[mattyburn7]

Can we delay 36 hours?

[Tiavals]

Delayd.

[Edi]

Play nice now children.

Make me :p

Try not to f*** this up, Ragnarok, you perverted monkey toucher.

I'm seriously over this game and just want it to end. :hurt::sick:

Although I will of course miss your pleasant company. Maybe we should become pen pals or something? That way, everytime I get depressed about life I could just send you a message and laugh at whatever batsh*t crazy stuff you write in return. :D

Having this kind of crap be the first thing that pops up for me in reports after my return from vacation does not amuse me at all.

Don't post things in this manner again, because then it would become a question of choosing only how big a stick to use, instead of a question of whether to use a stick.

[jimbojones1971]

Play nice now children.

Make me :p

Try not to f*** this up, Ragnarok, you perverted monkey toucher.

I'm seriously over this game and just want it to end. :hurt::sick:

Although I will of course miss your pleasant company. Maybe we should become pen pals or something? That way, everytime I get depressed about life I could just send you a message and laugh at whatever batsh*t crazy stuff you write in return. :D

Having this kind of crap be the first thing that pops up for me in reports after my return from vacation does not amuse me at all.

Don't post things in this manner again, because then it would become a question of choosing only how big a stick to use, instead of a question of whether to use a stick.

Understood.

[jimbojones1971]

Well, I am back to supply parity, so my dudes are no longer starving.

Hopefully the Ragster is going to Domkill me soon - fingers crossed. You can do it buddy!

[Ragnarok-X]

Can i please get an extension of like 6 hours ?
- thanks

[Tiavals]

Sure.

[schoelle]

Ouch - that hurt. I am kind of proud that I managed to resist Lanka, Oceania, Abysia and Caelum for that long. But I think I have played all my cards. Will continue playing, but have fun dividing the loot.

[Tiavals]

Sounds like I'll be next. Unfortunate.

[jimbojones1971]

I think I will precede you both, this turn my friends.

Marverni was executing a slow but sure domkill, so with maybe one turn to go (after I ran out of dominion in my own capital and had 4 candles in one province - that had one of Marverni's temples in it) I decided to venture out and get crushed by the sieging forces.

Good game, all - and congrats to Rag-X :-)

[mattyburn7]

Thanks for jumping in and subbing Jimbo!

[Ragnarok-X]

Hm, so Niefel is going down ?

Time to look into the future. I think its time to forge some new alliances, i for one am pretty sure who did get the most out of the war vs Niefel. And it wasnt me :D

[mattyburn7]

He's still got some life. I think over 10 provinces yet and at least 2 big armies...at least bigger than what I can field. I don't think there was any one major winner in the Niefel wars.

[schoelle]

Yes - this was a fun game, and I have rarely been as successful as in this one. My main mistake was underestimating Abysia. I just was too afraid of Oceania as I was very exposed to them. I did forget the power of Abysia spells, specially once they can field a significant number of Zmeys. Everyone else, beware!!

I will see what damage I can still do with my two armies, but I already have a hard time maintaining them with the few provinces I have left.

[Tiavals]

Pillage your provinces, both to get money and leave useless burnt land to those who would conquer you!

[mattyburn7]

Yes Schoelle, You really did have a powerhouse there. When Austen was playing he sent a message implying you were about to roll right through him and with Oceania locked up in Sea of Ice it really looked like you might pull it off. Sounds like Abysia was able to make a comeback on you. Well played though!

[Sigil Runestone]

Request game delay until 0600 GMT on 10-18-12. My Medicine Boards are on the 17th, and with final reviewing and RL I am better off putting off my turn until afterwards. Thank you,

Sigil

[Tiavals]

It is done. Check that I made postponed it the way you liked, to be sure.

[Sigil Runestone]

Is lovely, thank you.

[Sigil Runestone]

Did Oceana stale last turn? Has not responded to PM's for two turns now, and no armies (that I can see) have moved since last turn.

[Tiavals]

Staling data shows he didn't stale.

[mattyburn7]

Dang. 57 turns and not a stale from anyone! Great Job everybody.

[Ragnarok-X]

Oh, he is playing. I see him conquering Niefel terrain regulary.

[dark7element]

I'm sorry I haven't responded to any messages, I've been very busy the last couple of weeks (it's election season in the USA and I'm volunteering). I'll respond to your private messages tonight. It's been all I can do to just get my turns in.

[Sigil Runestone]

Please be advised that Ragnarok-x of Marverni has seen fit to attack me before the diplomatic delay of our NAP3 had ended. Plan your dealings accordingly.

[Ragnarok-X]

Wow now i have to post my crap again, out of the PM.

recap. Its the border between Maverni and Lanka. i have a fort, he doesnt. I have 40 guys in my fort, he has 250 guys in his province, building strength over like 4 ? or 5 turns. I send him a message, declaring im ending the NAP due to the buildup in forces on his border and asking for a explanation to maybe get back on the NAP.

He messages back, telling me he finds my reasoning dubious, but the war being my call (i.e. he doesnt care).
I attack him and kill his army.

I find nothing wrong with this.

Now Sigil, please dont argue about this like you did in the PM. what i did was more than approbiate. You had a chance to explain yourself or move your 250 guy army away, but you didnt.

[Sigil Runestone]

Wow, you are quite obsessive on that whole "OMG, you aren't going to beg me not to attack you?" issue, aren't you? Strange, in a game where we are supposed to eliminate our opponents, you are shocked that I don't act surprised about ending a NAP? Regardless, my point, as is obvious above and also in the PM's (which you are so carefully ignoring) is that Ragnarok-X chose to attack prior to the end of the diplomatic delay of ending a NAP3 and others should now plan accordingly. Of course, since you seem to want to twist my discussion with you via PM, I think it's fair to simply declare you outright untrustworthy even outside Machivellian diplomacy. PM's saved and available if anybody really wants them.

Sigil

[Ragnarok-X]

Post them PMs. I have no nothing to hide. While it may seem i attacked one turn early, i dont think thats true. What i think however is that you are a sore loser. I have been in like 20 games and i have yet to break a treaty. Make of that what you will.

[Sigil Runestone]

Post them PMs. I have no nothing to hide. While it may seem i attacked one turn early, i dont think thats true. What i think however is that you are a sore loser. I have been in like 20 games and i have yet to break a treaty. Make of that what you will.

I believe you have confused "sore loser" with "not amused with Treaty-Breakers", as I could have bailed back when Fomoria handed me my MonkeyButt on a platter with parsley, but that's not really my style.

As requested: (Starts on the bottom, works up)

*******

Im gonna make this really short. I still think my timing was perfectly fine. If it wasnt, anything besides trading is not binding at all.

Regarding your assasins. I had astral window open and knew about assassins, or rather, seducers. It would not have changed a thing.

laters


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigil Runestone
1. I believe I have committed enough hours to this game to express my feelings, thank you.
2. re-read my message. I specifically included the turn you declared in the three turns I listed. If both counting and reading are difficult for you, this world will be a challenging place.
3. Yup. Just don't mind that I'm happy to share your reputation with others. Consequences of own actions and all that.
4. You are a strange duck. This is the second time you have expressed surprise that I simply acknowledged your intent for war, when we are playing a game who's premise is that a bunch of players will attempt to kill each other off. Not sure about your obsession with my response, but I'm not offering my couch time to find out.
5. A single turn would not have changed the outcome of the gargoyle attacks, no. But the main army conflict? Most likely. For one, my scripting was not completed due to the toils of RL getting in the way of finishing the previous turn. More importantly, the 6 assasins in your lands waiting for the honorable turn to strike would likely have changed your line-up a tidge.

On the plus side, my time committment for micro'ing has just lessened, so thank you for that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok-X
1. Chill
2. re-read my message. i specificly said "including this turn"
3. even if 2. doesnt count
"Diplomacy: Machiavelli"
4. i gave you a chance to explain yourself but all you did was message me with "whatever".
5. would the single turn have changed anything ? i dont think so.

long story short, im kinda sorry, but you should have known better.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigil Runestone
Were you intentionally being a dick, or can you not count? You declared end of nap3 on turn 58. That should mean turn 58,59,60 must pass before conflict occurs on 61. See how I counted out three turns passing? That's the whole nap3 part of the deal.

[mattyburn7]

Hm, so Niefel is going down ?

Time to look into the future. I think its time to forge some new alliances, i for one am pretty sure who did get the most out of the war vs Niefel. And it wasnt me :D

I don't know who got the most out of Niefel, but I do know who got the most out of Tir Na and now Lanka and is turning into the largest power by far.

[dark7element]

Can I please get a 24 hour extension on this turn? I've just lost someone close to me and I've been in shock for the past day. I don't want to quit this game altogether, I've really enjoyed it and it is something to help me get my mind off things. Thank you for understanding.

[Tiavals]

Sure. Postponed the game by 30h.

[Sigil Runestone]

Can I please get a 24 hour extension on this turn? I've just lost someone close to me and I've been in shock for the past day. I don't want to quit this game altogether, I've really enjoyed it and it is something to help me get my mind off things. Thank you for understanding.

That sucks, dark7element. Godspeed to your grieving.

Sigil

[Ragnarok-X]

Postponed by another 2 days on top of the 30 hours ? Why ?

[schoelle]

I am still standing, but I will probably switch to AI next turn. It was fun, everybody.

[mattyburn7]

I got hit by a hurricane. No power for 3 days. I'll try my best to get turn in as early as possible.

[Sigil Runestone]

Take your time, Mate. Hope you and yours are alright!

[Tiavals]

I'll delay the turn by a bit just in case it's needed.

[mattyburn7]

Thanks. I appreciate it. Still no power. trying to scramble using starbucks, etc. and mixing it work, keeping family warm, etc. If nothing else, Friday night I can probably get to McDonald's after boys go to bed and get it in.

[Sigil Runestone]

Methinks your family is more important than a game, especially since I bet your turns are long. Take your time.

[dark7element]

Guys, I'm afraid that I staled last turn. Sorry about that, I was really busy helping my mother move. I'll try to get this turn in on time but I may have to submit a sub-optimal turn, turns are taking a really long time at this point. Any chance I could get an extension of just a few hours? Like, three or four? I came in really late last night and I won't really have time to do my turn until a couple hours from now, which leaves me a rather narrow window.

[Tiavals]

I changed the hosting interval to 72, since it's already late game. You have 24 more hours.

[Ragnarok-X]

Holy Mow. Lanka you lucky bastard. That REALLY annoyed me.

[Sigil Runestone]

Um, I haven't seen the turn yet, so, uh... take that?

[Ragnarok-X]

It would be pretty cool if people would post if they request an extension or if the admin does one. Lately it has become really annoying (to me) to see that Oceania always submits his turn 5 minutes before the deadline. I would like to get this back on a proper track, please.

[Sigil Runestone]

I staled. I apologize, I lost track of dates. I recognize that my position at this point is hardly of importance, but since I find this behavior abhorrent in others I cannot hold myself to any less of a standard. Again, I apologize.

Sigil

[mattyburn7]

Sigil, You are a class act. No apologies necessary. Cheers Mate!

[Sigil Runestone]

That's kind of you to say, Matty. Thank you!

[Sigil Runestone]

Okay, great. I am a semi-idiot. "Semi" because this was not documented on the Illwinter patch page, but I suspect most others read the proper protocol for updating Dom3. Basically, after llamaserver rejected my turn for being the wrong version, so I updated. However, the new version won't recognize my save. I have my manual/key but my disk is at the old house we have been moving from (see several pages back for a delay request in September). Basically, I'm hosed until later this week when I can go back and then reinstall Dom3 into another directory. I see little point in you guys waiting all that time for Lanka and it's one province (assuming I have one province after the stale), although I am disappointed that my very first MP game will end on this note.

Thank you for hosting, and having me. Cursed be Fomoria for wrecking my dreams of early conquest, and praise be to Caelum for being an awesome ally. All and all, not a bad length of survival for my first game!

Be well,
Sigil/Jonathan

[dark7element]

It would be pretty cool if people would post if they request an extension or if the admin does one. Lately it has become really annoying (to me) to see that Oceania always submits his turn 5 minutes before the deadline. I would like to get this back on a proper track, please.

It's the late game, I have a million billion mages to keep track of, and what's worse, it's the holiday season. And it's not just me who submits his turns at the last minute. We've all been pressed for time, I think.

Incidentally, because of this awful nonsense regarding the update version, this turn is probably going to be a stale from me. Apparently I'm going to have to reinstall the entire freaking game, mods and all, in order to submit any more turns, and I'm sure the deadline will have passed by then.

Edit: Okay, I finally found the other thread that tells you what to do. Kudos to Mattybyurn7 for figuring it out. Apparently, the game has to be uninstalled, then reinstalled in a non-program files folder. I'm doing that now. Still will be too late for this turn, but I'll submit next turn.

[Tiavals]

Remember to PM me if you need turn extensions, since I've already been eliminated I might not follow the thread too often.

[dark7element]

Edit: I'm an idiot. I finally found out what I was supposed to be doing. I think it might be too late for me to get the turn in this time, but after several days of fiddling around with this absurd thing I think I FINALLY have got it working again. I'll have suffered a couple of stale turns from the bargain (I don't want to request extensions and slow the game down any worse), but hopefully Ill finally be back on track.

Double edit: Did manage to get a turn submitted. It's a bit suboptimal, but oh well. I won't be as pressed for time now, hopefully, and I'll try to do my next turn sooner rather than later.

[Tiavals]

Game has been delayed 72 hours due to requests from players.

[Ragnarok-X]

Turn is due in 48 hours and already people are asking for a 72h extension ? Sure its the correct game ?

[Tiavals]

Mattyburn says he'll be away until around Wednsday/thursday.

[mattyburn7]

Yes. No guarantee of Internet connection. Will get in faster if possible

[Ragnarok-X]

OCEANIA will you continue playing or not ?

[dark7element]

Yes, I've missed the last two turns. I've been traveling for the holidays and planning a funeral. I'm sorry for delaying the game.

I should be able to have regular computer and internet access again by tomorrow everning. Still, if a majority of players would rather I get a replacement, I'll abide by the decision.

[Ragnarok-X]

You havent missed the last 2 turns, you have missed several turns in the recent past and the turns you did were partly poorly executed according to your own post. When joining a game, you are committing yourself to actually playing it, because its no singleplayer, but multiplayer game.
Whatever the reason, you can always ask for a hold for some days or even a week or two without any problems at all.

The damage has already been done and its really bad.

[Tiavals]

I'm setting the hosting interval to 240 hours, as most people are likely busy with holiday and I might not be here later to set it to delays and such, hope no one minds.

It's still on quick host, though, so you can do your turns as you like.

[Ragnarok-X]

Tia, can you please hand the admin'ing over to me ? PM password, please.
I think it would be more appropiate to have a player playing the game be the admin. no offense. thanks.

[Tiavals]

I suppose you are right. I'll make you the admin. Hope no one doesn't object.

[Ragnarok-X]

Thanks.

So, Aby, Caelum and myself are still playing.
Despite his post, Oceania has obviously abandoned the game. Shame on him for being a bad opponent.

Matty, are you still interested in continueing the game, if just for the endgame skirmish battles, i.e. trying out things and stuff ?

[mattyburn7]

I'm happy to keep going. There is a lot for me to learn.

[Ragnarok-X]

Ok then. I cant catch Maerlande, but i suppose he is okay if we continue. Ill get in my turn later today and force hosting. In addition, ill try to find a sub for Oceania over at dom3mods. So far, Oceania has lost only minimal provinces and no army at all.

[dark7element]

I'm sorry you guys. I just couldn't find the time or werewithal to continue. I did really enjoy the game up until this point and I'm sorry that I've flaked out like this. I probably should have dropped out a month ago. Please accept my apologies.

[Ragnarok-X]

Beginning today, ill be on vacation until the 12th.
Ill play my current turn and turn off hosting until im back.
If we are REALLY lucky, a sub for oceania will appear, who knows.

[Ragnarok-X]

So, i didnt manage to get my turn in, sorry.
Hosting is delayed after im back (will leave today, return on the 12th).
Lets hope we can continue the game on the 12th. Sorry for the massive delay but happy new year nontheless.

[Ragnarok-X]

So, Matty and myself decided to declare the game over. There is no winner, because the game was ****ed up since at least 10 turns, thanks to Oceania leaving the game at its climax and Aby deciding its not worth it as well.
Thanks to Maerlande for subbing in and thanks to everyone who played a proper game.