Gentlemen's struggle - Intermediate & vets - Mockinbird - Kalaisa Winner !!

[Bullock]

Another challenging and fast paced game for experienced players.
Every settings can be discussed.

Map: Plane of rusty nails
Players: 11
Age: EA
Diplo : NO Diplo, Gems & items trading are allowed (and binding) if made publicly on the forum.
Turns: Initially 24 hours, 36h trn20, then increase on request
Mods: CBM 1.92 (Summon nerfed) / Streamers & standards
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=807207

Ind:7
Gems:50
Renaming: ON
Charts: ON
All other settings: Default
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Gentlemens_struggle

Disallowed exploits:
*Copying Bogus' orders and overfilling enemy lab to prevent his own forge.
*Probing armies with scouts/commanders must be done in such a way so as not to block movement.

Please do not apply if you are planning to be away for a week or more in a row in the next couple months.

Players:

Bullock - Marveni
Ossa - Sauromatia
Immaculate - Helheim
Austen - Tien Chi
KeithZ - Hinnom
Evilhomer - Mictlan
Ghoul31 - Agartha
Schoelle - Ulm
Mockinbird - Kalaisa
himselfbh - Vanheim
Skymoon - ???

[Austen]

I don't know if I'm salty enough, but I'd be interested in giving it a go as TC... if you want someone with more wins under their belt, then that's cool too and I can get in another game ;)

[Ossa]

Sauromatia

[Immaculate]

If you start after thursday i'll join as helheim. But i am out of town for a bit.

[skymoon]

I‘m in, EA Tir.

[redmage]

I'd like to join in as Abysia.

[KeithZ]

Hinnom, please.

[Bullock]

Hello guys, thanks for applying.

So the game will start around next week end so Imma could join us.

[mockingbird]

Hi,

I think I would like to give Formoria a try.

[mockingbird]

Actually, if you don't mind I'd like to switch to Agartha.

[Evilhomer]

EA miclan if they still are available.

[himselfbh]

ea van, thanks

[schoelle]

Ulm if there is still space.

[Immaculate]

oh- noticing graphs are off.

i have played both (with and without) recently and in a no diplo game it makes sense to leave them on- then people will be naturally inclined to informally cooperate against the leaders and i think thats okay...

anyway- you wrote 'all settings can be discussed' so i am discussing.

[mockingbird]

Actually, I think I'm going to bow out of this one. Things are getting (even more) complicated in my other games.

However, I'll say that I recommend graphs on in a no diplomacy game. Otherwise it's just too easy for one nation to run away with the game before anyone else realizes what is happing.

[Immaculate]

:(

thats really too bad mockingbird- i love playing in games you are in.

[ghoul31]

agartha

[Bullock]

AAh come on mockin' stay with us !

Im fine with graph ON so let it be.

The player list is updated, sorry for those who are not in, but you seems to lack of MP experience. Tell me if i m wrong.

I'm planning to start the game tomorrow or Saturday, so you can start working on your pretender :)

[Bullock]

I ve set the new unofficial CBM who seems to become quite popular, and sounds more balanced to me. But like other settings it can be discussed.

Also, does anyone know if i have to render the mod streamers and standards mandatory if i want to play with it? Or since it doesn't interfere with the game of other players i don't even have to mention it in the mod list ?

[mockingbird]

Okay, I guess I will stay in as Kailasa.

[skymoon]

Hi Bullock. I have played 4 games in this forum and over 10 privated games. I'm sure I have enough MP exp of dom3. I promise I will not stale or AI during this game, and try my best to play.

Please let me in.

[Bullock]

Glad to hear that mockin :)

And we have our 2 last players himselfbh & skymoon.



Gentlemen get ready !
It would be nice to start the game by saturday.

[Valerius]

Also, does anyone know if i have to render the mod streamers and standards mandatory if i want to play with it? Or since it doesn't interfere with the game of other players i don't even have to mention it in the mod list ?

No, you don't have to make it mandatory. You could just copy/paste all the #selectnation commands from SNS into your copy of CBM and you'd see those flags even though the mod isn't selected for the game. Alternatively, if you did have Streamers and Standards selected players who don't like those flags can remove the #selectnation commands from their version of the mod so it will basically be an empty mod and they will see the original flags. Note that in the latter case you could have problems in a multi-era game, which is where SNS is most useful, so you'll want to keep a copy of the original SNS mod. Because of that potential hassle, it would probably be easiest for you to edit your copy of CBM, Bullock. An added bonus is that you'll see the SNS banners even in games where the organizer hasn't selected SNS.

[Immaculate]

Gentlemen get ready !
It would be nice to start the game by saturday.

Its worth noting that the game has been set-up on the server and is available here:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Gentlemens_struggle


I will upload my pretender tonight. I have to consider the implications of the changed summon costs.

[mockingbird]

In my tests I have noticed that province 6, which has only two neighbors, is available as a starting location.

It might be nice to fix the map so that there are not terrible start locations.

[Bullock]

i'm using the latest version on llamaserver (the error might be there too though). My file was prolly quite old, but only the picture matter.

[Immaculate]

From the server info:

Nations joined so far:
Early Age, max 11 players
Players so far: 6

[snip]

Agartha
Marverni
Vanheim
Hinnom
Tir na n'Og
Helheim

*cracks the whip*

[Evilhomer]

Any chance I can switch from Miclan ---> Caelum ? I am in a bit of time jam with work and cannot properly playtest miclan, and I already have a pretender for Caelum.
/Evilhomer

[Bwaha]

Neif for me pls...

:D

[Bullock]

Any chance I can switch from Miclan ---> Caelum ? I am in a bit of time jam with work and cannot properly playtest miclan, and I already have a pretender for Caelum.
/Evilhomer

Yeah sure

Neif for me pls...

:D

If we have deserter sure. if there is a missing pretender in 24h you can send yours.

[schoelle]

I am just now materializing in a new body ... should upload my pretender within the next hour. Sorry for the delay ...

[Bullock]

I ll launch the game tomorrow at noon as it is.

[schoelle]

Just a warning: I am starting my holiday next Saturday morning, and will travel to France. I will try to get an internet stick for my laptop there ASAP, but I might not be able to do so on Sunday. I should be able to get internet by Monday, latest.

[Bullock]

KeithZ you've been the last to play for the 3 first turns. Do you mind playing 2 turns in a row when u r the last to play, at least while the turns take less than 5 min to play.

[mockingbird]

I have received a diplomatic message from another player. My understanding was that this was to be a no diplomacy game.

How would we like to handle this?

In other no diplomacy games I have participated, this has generally resulted in the expulsion of the violator and either a restart or player substitution.

[Austen]

It wasn't me (at least I don't think it was :P ) but I completely forgot this was a no diplo game... I would think there's a fair chance the player who did send the message did the same. This early on, I think a warning and a reminder in game and here on the forums might be a good way to go.

[Immaculate]

I did send a diplo message, having forgotten it was a no diplo game, but not to mockingbird- (it was to Bullock- i am pretty sure). I just realized that this was in violation of the spirit and set-up of the game. In my case i just asked him whats up. He has not answered so presumably he at least remembered that it was a no diplo game.

I am very sorry for having done so... in my case it definitely does not change anything. Hopefully you don't need to substitute me. it was an honest mistake with no harm done i believe.

Hopefully in your case, MB, it doesn't change anything either? Assuming its not a ton of intel it shouldn't change things too much...? MB, do you feel a substitution is required? or can we just say 'Don't do it again' and move on?

[mockingbird]

I don't think the message was game breaking in its content. A warning should be sufficient for now, especially for players who have not participated in no diplomacy games before.

I thought that all the participants should know that some game administrators can be very strict about such things. It's a good idea to pay close attention to the game rules before you join.

If I recall correctly, the player in question has tried to use diplomacy in a no diplomacy game at least once before and should know better. Let's all please try to keep to the "gentleman's spirit" (as sexist as it is :) ) of the game.

[YellowCactus]

Back in my days of Dominions 2, there was a player that called himself Norfleet. He used to win all the tournements, and was actually a brilliant player. One day, his armies were stomping everyone on the battlefield, and we chalked it up to his brilliance. The game administrator inspected his account and found he had over a thousand of every gem...ect....

Don't know my point exactly, but I guess reading these comments above made me think of real cheaters, and good game administration. In the end, we're all just a bunch of guys (and gals) playing a game together. Or at least, you guys are playing. I'm just reading and commenting...

[Bullock]

Well i think a restart or an expulsion is pretty harsh, since i'm pretty sure this gentleman didn't notice or forgot this particular rule.

However i'll listen to the majority on the subject.

Thanks for your honesty Mockin'

[Ossa]

It wasnt me this time, was it ;) ?

I'll have to copy those files to a "nodiplo" directory again. Just in case.

[Bullock]

Well, i'm already dead and will turn my nation AI this turn.

I had my worst starting position, only 2 neighboring provinces (one of them with strong indis)and in a middle of a swamp. Finally himselfbh have sent troops through the sea to siege my cap turn4, cutting the retreat path of my army who has failed against the strong indis, suiciding himself and finishing me at the same time.

This move sounds really noobish to me, you are prolly the next to die after me since you didn't expand .I don't see the point of throwing the game this way, especially since i wasn't even a direct threat to your nation.

Anyway, i'll continue my admin duties unless some1 wants to take the hand on it.

[himselfbh]

In fact my starting position is just as bad as yours, maybe even worse, only 2 neighboring provinces and both of them seems stronger than your 25pd(with low income..), and that's why I haven't expended yet... At this time I saw your candle on the sea province, so I decided to have a try.

I don't know if you cast Wayward star or just because of my bad luck, something really bad happened in my capital just after I attacked you, or things should be going very well know. And then I can take your provinces and the indies should keep my capital safe for at least one year...

Anyway, I have never played like this before, if I have done sth wrong making this game unpleasant, I apologize. Please forgive my noobish...:doh:

[Bullock]

Yeah it was a little unpleasant lol. But well, it's the game.

Good luck to the remaining players

[schoelle]

Hi everybody - tratorix is subbing for me until August 28th.

[himselfbh]

I think i should turn myself to AI in a few turns.

Unlucky is just so terrible in cbm that I shall never try unlucky2 again...

[Immaculate]

Bullock, i require a 12 hour extension for this turn and a forty-eight hour extension for the next one.

[Bullock]

done, but u better remind me for the 48h

[Austen]

I think i should turn myself to AI in a few turns.

Unlucky is just so terrible in cbm that I shall never try unlucky2 again...

I don't think this is accurate... in fact, misfortune is one of the main negative scales that I see experienced player use in CBM. It does have to be considered/managed. It's not just "Free points".

True, you can have truly catastrophic events, but you can get that without Mis-2. In the realm of "random things in Dom 3 that wreck games for me", in game events are well down on the list.

[himselfbh]

I think i should turn myself to AI in a few turns.

Unlucky is just so terrible in cbm that I shall never try unlucky2 again...

I don't think this is accurate... in fact, misfortune is one of the main negative scales that I see experienced player use in CBM. It does have to be considered/managed. It's not just "Free points".

True, you can have truly catastrophic events, but you can get that without Mis-2. In the realm of "random things in Dom 3 that wreck games for me", in game events are well down on the list.

Thank you for the advice. I don't know why but bad events happened in my capital exactly every single turn since turn4. And that keep my income below than about 300 per turn...At the time I reached TS, I could not even afford just one a3 mage to cast it...and I think it's the time to gg, good luck to you all.

[Immaculate]

I'm sorry to hear you say that. Without breaking the spirit of the rules vis-a-vis diplo and in game information all i can say is that i look forward to playing with you again.

EDIT: are you setting yourself AI?

[Austen]

I don't know why but bad events happened in my capital exactly every single turn since turn4. And that keep my income below than about 300 per turn...At the time I reached TS, I could not even afford just one a3 mage to cast it...and I think it's the time to gg, good luck to you all.

It's turn 15 and you have decided you can't win, soooo... Go AI and walk away? That's awful... do you realize that this makes the game worse for everyone?

[himselfbh]

Actually I have seen hel's troops around my two castles and I don't think I can get through this(you can check my armysize on the graph). So I'm not decide to lose, but I have seen my death. Maybe AI can hold longer than me...

Anyway, I'll fight my last battle.

[Immaculate]

i wish you hadn't identified the aggressor nation.

[Evilhomer]

Just wanted to remind all this is a no diplomacy game. I have recently received a message about a pact of sort (Probably a mistake, and I reminded the sender it is a no diplomacy game). I have also seen prophets named "Ceasefire?" which is borderline breaking the no diplomacy rules.

[Ossa]

I'll see him renamed during the next season.

You can't blame parents for giving their offspring such names though - they're living in troubled times after all.

[schoelle]

Just to let everybody know that I have taken back control of Ulm. Have fun everybody! (was that too much Diplomacy?!)

[Ossa]

Unfortunatly you cant rename Prophets, so my warrior chief is now forever known as Ceasefire. He's a very bloodthirsty person though, and he wears human skin as a cloak.

[Immaculate]

I'm gonna go AI soon. My last great hope died without striking a blow. I'll script some surprises for the besiegers so that when they do get through the door it won't be a total walk-over but Helheim doesn't really have anything left at this point.


Its been... well... a game.

See you in another game hopefully.

[Evilhomer]

Had to rewatch that battle to see your hope that ran away. Anyway, see you in another game and best of luck next time.

[Immaculate]

k- thanks.

[Bullock]

Hi Bullock. I have played 4 games in this forum and over 10 privated games. I'm sure I have enough MP exp of dom3. I promise I will not stale or AI during this game, and try my best to play.

Please let me in.

Great... what do you want to do with TNN guys ?

[Bullock]

TNN is now AI

[skymoon]

Sorry Bullock, I have to out of town for 2 weeks bcoz some emergency business. (from iphone)

[Evilhomer]

Since we reached turn 30, can we change to 48h hosting please ?

[Bullock]

Done Evil

[schoelle]

Can I ask for a 24h delay?

[Bullock]

sure it s done

[Evilhomer]

Might be difficult for me to get this turn in on time. Can I have a 12hour delay ?

[Bullock]

sure it s done

[Evilhomer]

Will be gone on airplane trip, need 24 hour extra please.

[Bullock]

it's done

[Bullock]

Vanheim is now AI

[Bullock]

switched to 48h on evilhomer's request

[Evilhomer]

I know this is fairly last minute but if I can get an extension on this turn it would be great

[Bullock]

done

[schoelle]

I will upload my turn tomorrow morning, but then won't be able to play again until Monday morning (GMT). It would be great if we could delay hosting until then.

[Bullock]

hello guys it seems everybody received the msg from the llama.
Which option would you like to take?

[schoelle]

I am pretty sure that i uploaded my turn, but i received a stale turn now. Anybody else having the same experience?

[schoelle]

BTW - I did _not_ receive a message from llama other than he had a server outage and was about to fix it. What options are you talking about?

[ghoul31]

There was a message that said the was am error on hosting.


I think we need to roll back a turn and resubmit our turns

[Bullock]

There is an issue with the game.
Turn is broken. So you can either rollback or everybody has a stale.

But if we rollback everybody as to delete the turn and do it again. It is very important to do so.

[mockingbird]

We definitely need a rollback.

[Bullock]

Alright will do.
But don't forget to erase all files.

[Evilhomer]

I vote for giving the victory to Kailasa.

The war between me and Agartha has been going on now for 20 or more turns. There seems to be no clear winner, and while I am struggling with his darkness he is making no progress against all my lightning spells.

Meanwhile man is ineffectivly trying to attack some of my lands but making no progress. Eventually one side will win but seeing how Kailasa has been building up strenght for 20 or more turns whomever will win will be destroyed by Kailasa I am convinced.

I have simply lost interest in continuing this game when I know how much scripting is ahead and knowing Kailasa will almost surely win. So my vote is for giving Kailasa the win and ending this game now.

-EH

[mockingbird]

Since this is a no-diplo game it would probably be best if PMs were sent to the moderator about this issue.

[Bullock]

Well considering you are 4 players left and the announcement is already public, what do other people think about it?

[ghoul31]

I'd like to keep on playing

[schoelle]

Hi - sorry about missing the last turn, that is not my style, but RL had some priority problems.

I am hopelessly weak. I tried (for the first time) an archer tactic and probably botched it beyond repair. Caelum seems to have bailed out. I am would continue playing, but there is not much chance that I would achieve anything. What do you think? Want to continue or call it a day?

[ghoul31]

I can't believe he went AI with 44 provinces.

Ok, lets end it

[Bullock]

Yeah i asked him to find a sub ... but it's recorded.

Tell me if u want to end this, and if some1 can be called as the winner.

[ghoul31]

Yea just end it. Kailasa is the winner

[Bullock]

Schoelle u r fine with that ?

[Bullock]

i have pmed Schoelle hoping he will answer my previous question.

[schoelle]

Thanks for checking. Yes, I am happy to call mockinbird the winner. I haven't seen too much action, but my strategy with archers definitely failed and I never manager to build a powerful army that can beat a reasonable SC.

Thanks for hosting, it was fun.

[Bullock]

Hurray for the mighty mockinbird :) !

[mockingbird]

Thank you all for a good game!

[Immaculate]

Congrats Mockingbird!

[schoelle]

Long live Mockinbird, the one true ruler!

Wouldn't mind another game - anybody in? Would you host again, Bullock?

[Bullock]

Wouldn't mind another game - anybody in? Would you host again, Bullock?

Yeah i'll prolly start another one soon.