Silence is golden - EA Pangaea - EvilHomer Winner !!

[Bullock]

Another challenging and fast paced game for experienced players.
Since i have been badly screwed in my previous game by starting positions, i decided to set them manually this time. You can find them in the picture attached to the post.

Map: Plane of rusty nails (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=738772)
Players: 9
Age: EA
Diplo : NO DIPLO Gems trading is allowed if made public.
Turns: Initially 24 hours, 36h trn20, then increase on request
Mods: CBM 1.92 (Summon nerfed) / Streamers & standards
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=807207

Ind:7
Gems:50
Renaming: ON
Charts: ON
All other settings: Default
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SilenceIsGolden

Disallowed exploits:
*Copying Bogus' orders and overfilling enemy lab to prevent his own forge.
*Probing armies with scouts/commanders must be done in such a way so as not to block movement.

Please do not apply if you are planning to be away for a week or more in a row in the next couple months.

Players:

Bullock - Marverni
Diabl0658- Arcoscephale
Tratorix - Sauromatia
Evilhomer - Pangaea
HoleyDooley - Helheim
Ossa - Abysia
Ghoul31 - Niefelhelm
Austen - Fomoria
YellowCactus - Mictlan

[Diabl0658]

Id like to join this game as Arcoscephale. Ive never played on the shrapnel forums before, ive played all my games on the something awful forums, so if there are any rules I should be aware of please let me know!

Edit: Does no diplomacy mean that we cant talk to other players with the ingame messaging system, or that we cant chat with them anywhere (irc, forums, email)?

[tratorix]

I'll join as Sauromatia.

[Bullock]

Id like to join this game as Arcoscephale. Ive never played on the shrapnel forums before, ive played all my games on the something awful forums, so if there are any rules I should be aware of please let me know!

Edit: Does no diplomacy mean that we cant talk to other players with the ingame messaging system, or that we cant chat with them anywhere (irc, forums, email)?

Alright welcome in.

No diplo means you can't chat with others about this game anywhere.

I'll join as Sauromatia.

welcome in

[Diabl0658]

If we cant chat then how do we trade with others? You stated that trading of items and gems was allowed, but how do we start a trade?

[Evilhomer]

Sign me up - I will pick a nation later.

"If we cant chat then how do we trade with others? You stated that trading of items and gems was allowed, but how do we start a trade?"

- You can post in this message thread that you wish to make a trade. For example:

"Caelum wants air gems - willing to trade equal amount of other gems!"

If someone reply then you go ahead and make the trade.

[HoleyDooley]

Helheim thanks.

[Larz]

I would like to try Lanka. Thanks.

[Ossa]

Abyssia please

[Evilhomer]

I have decided - Give me Pangea please.

[ghoul31]

nief

[Bullock]

One spot left ! Start to work on your pretender, i'd like to make a quick start :)

Game is up: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SilenceIsGolden

[Austen]

I'll take last slot since all my other games are Year one fights that kill both players.. will figure out nation in a bit.

[Diabl0658]

The map link you provided points to a post in a space empires thread.

[Bullock]

Here is the map: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=738772

[Diabl0658]

This isnt actually a map, its just a picture of a map.

[Larz]

Sorry guys, but it looks like I'm going to be busier in the next month then I thought. I'm going to have to drop out. Have fun.

[Bullock]

Here is the .tga

[Fantomen]

I'll take that last slot if it's still open, and I want to be tien'chi

[Austen]

I suppose I should mention that I plan to be Fomoria.

[Diabl0658]

Still need the .map file for the map. The image alone isn't enough.

[Bullock]

I'll take that last slot if it's still open, and I want to be tien'chi

You have joined so far 3 of my games and have been missing in all 3. So no, i prefer to wait for some1 else.

Still need the .map file for the map. The image alone isn't enough.

All settings comes from the server, you don't need the .map file.

[Fantomen]

Alright, that's easy to understand. I left many games in a bad manner for big real life hassles a while back, but I won't make excuses because I should have handled that a lot better. I hope to mend that broken reputation over time. Have a good game then.

[Diabl0658]

Alrighty, never played a game on llamaserver so im new to all this.

[YellowCactus]

You guys still looking for a 9th player? I'm a good player and would join. My reservation is the "No Diplomacy" rules. If some players are friends in real life, then 'No Diplomacy' basically means only friends communicate. This leaves a lot of uncertainty for the sceptics....like me.

[googly1]

I would like to play if there is still a spot available...

[googly1]

I have the same problem i cant find the map...

[googly1]

I'll be vanheim!

[YellowCactus]

Go for it Googly1.

[Austen]

I believe Fanto got the last spot. I'm not the organizer tho, so let's see what Bullock says.

[Bullock]

Googly seems too noobish i'd rather YellowCactus join the game.

Concerning the no diplo i'll set a vote. In fact the no diplo stuff was orignally to avoid what you describe earlier Yellowcactus.

So let the vote begin and see if no diplo can get the majority.

[Bullock]

Well it seems i can't set a poll from editing.
So you can express your wish about diplo directly here, i ll count :)

[YellowCactus]

Thanks Bull. I'll come up with a nation and pretender in the next couple hours. You seem like a nice, organized game admin. Nice to be here!

[YellowCactus]

Mictlan Please!

[Bullock]

Alright, welcome in then !

I've sent a message to Evilhomer to remind him to send his pretender, so we should start soon.

If nobody prefer the "no diplo" option or at least call for it, we are going to play classic diplo game.

[tratorix]

I believe Googly1 uploaded a Vanheim pretender Bullock, you might want to delete it.

[Diabl0658]

Honestly I dont really care if we go diplo or no diplo

[googly1]

Yea I did upload a pretender, I thought that there was a spot available.

[Austen]

I'm fine with either diplo option, but if I was forced to cat a vote, it would prob be for no diplo.

[HoleyDooley]

Same as Austen.

[Evilhomer]

Pangea pretender has been uploaded. Sorry for the delay.

[Bullock]

ok now we are waiting for tratorix ...

[tratorix]

Pretenders in, sorry bout the wait. Game's started.

[Bullock]

Well since nobody argued about keeping the no diplo setting, let's go for normal diplo then!

[YellowCactus]

Yay! Everyone attack Bullock!

[Evilhomer]

I suggest we stick with no diplo, that was the original setting. Makes little sense to change it after the game has started.

[Diabl0658]

If you are the last to submit your turn, please immediately submit your turn for the next turn too.

[HoleyDooley]

I thought I had...I have to do my turns at work at present, and its a rush sometimes. My internet was supposed to be connected at home by this time But I am still waiting on it.

HD

[Bullock]

Yay! Everyone attack Bullock!

Oh man don't say that, i haven't stand more than 5 turns previous game lol !)

I suggest we stick with no diplo, that was the original setting. Makes little sense to change it after the game has started.

Well i will listen to others until the game reach turn 5-6.
If there is a draw like it is now (1-1) i'll say it's a no diplo since we started with this status.

Otherwise i'll set as the majority want.

[Bullock]

so the game is NO DIPLO as planned.

Good luck everyone

[Evilhomer]

"Tratorix - Sauromatia" has stalled atleast 2 turns in a row now, and is on his way to stall a 3rd time. Perhaps it is time to set this nation to AI if none wishes to take over ?.

[tratorix]

Calm yourself, i've got 10 hours left, I'll get it done once I get home.

Edit: I also only staled once, btw.

[Evilhomer]

... and once again you have started stalling most turns...:(

[tratorix]

Sorry about that. Won't be a problem in a turn or two though, cuz I'll be dead.

[YellowCactus]

Good Game Man!

[Bullock]

I guess from here, we won't blame you for turning AI Tratorix.

Thx for participating :)

[HoleyDooley]

I guess from here, we won't blame you for turning AI Tratorix.

Thx for participating :)

A slight..sorry huge exaggeration on his part. What I have ensured though, is that he cannot win.

[tratorix]

I set my remaining 3 provinces AI. Not much point in continuing after losing my capital. GG to the nation that killed me and good luck to everyone else. :)

[Bullock]

i ll need an extension for the current turn, i should be able to play the turn tomorrow.

cheers

[Ossa]

I need an urgend extension of 24h.

[Bullock]

done!

[ghoul31]

I think we can end this game now

[HoleyDooley]

Who is the winner?

[YellowCactus]

Yay! I won!

[HoleyDooley]

Ha wrong, it was me, me! Its all about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Bullock]

Well i feel i can challenge pangaea, but not alone.
So if Ghoul & Ossa want to give up, i ll bow.

[YellowCactus]

Mictlan has your back!

[ghoul31]

Well i feel i can challenge pangaea, but not alone.
So if Ghoul & Ossa want to give up, i ll bow.

ok I'll keep playing

[YellowCactus]

My diplomacy alarm is ringing!

[HoleyDooley]

Yeah, have to say this breaks the diplomacy rules.

Nothing more than a blatant attempt to rally support.

Ghoul said the game was over, but now he has possible allies he will keep going.

[ghoul31]

Yeah, have to say this breaks the diplomacy rules.

Nothing more than a blatant attempt to rally support.

Ghoul said the game was over, but now he has possible allies he will keep going.

Anyone who looks at the graphs know that Pangaea has a gigantic, if not insurmountable lead.

So I don't think I revealed anything.

You are just trying to start trouble for no reason.

[HoleyDooley]

Yeah Ghoul, I am well know on the forums for being a trouble maker.

The rules were very clear, no diplomacy.

Your comment only served to kick others into motion to fight Marverni, clearly in breach of the rules of the game.

If I am making trouble, its only in response to the trouble you created.

[YellowCactus]

That's it! I'm changing sides! (again)

[ghoul31]

Yeah Ghoul, I am well know on the forums for being a trouble maker.

The rules were very clear, no diplomacy.

Your comment only served to kick others into motion to fight Marverni, clearly in breach of the rules of the game.

If I am making trouble, its only in response to the trouble you created.

I simply asked if every everyone agreed we should end the game. I didn't ask anyone to join with anyone.

And its Bullocks game so its up to him to decide who broke the rules, not you.

[HoleyDooley]

So, if Bullcock says you broke the rules, then I am right, if he doesn't, then I am wrong.

You are a very smart man Ghoul.

[HoleyDooley]

What i find even more amusing is that i have been at war with Marverni since like turn 6 and fighting him non stop. We have had a great tussle which he has won of course, but i have never stopped fighting him tooth and nail causing him some serious losses (until now that is, because i will send what small force I have left elsewhere, anyone want to guess where?).

You Ghoul have bordered him also since the start of the game, but I believe NEVER attacked him. If he was such a threat according to you by looking at the charts, then way haven't you attacked him before hand?

No, you decided to go public with a cry 'the game is over" read between the lines, 'everybody needs to attack Marverni now".

I just kept fighting him on my own waiting for others to see the danger and join in, but oh no, no one came. Thats their own fault, including you Mr I am never wrong, Ghoul, who decides that instead of shutting up, and funnily enough, putting your money where you big mouth is, and just attack marverni, wait till you have gathered support by illegal posts on the forum calling for everyone to dog pile marverni.

[Evilhomer]

Marverni is the big threat we should all dogpile ? Really ? :rolleyes: Actually I think Ghoul were talking about Pangea (me). We had a great battle with lots of nifeljarls and crazy spells. In the end the sleap clouds made the giants fatigue out and he lost a lot of units. Fun fight however.

About quitting the game I am fine either way. My position is most likely winning, and I am enjoying the game. The micromanagement of having so many troops is starting to take its toll in time however.

[HoleyDooley]

I think the game was/is far from over, my mistake saying it was Marverni Ghoul was complaining about.

I am almost out and Marverni is quite strong and he could challenge you given support, but as this game is a no diplomacy game, difficult to orchestrate. The game continuing has been ruined IMHO by Ghoul publicly stating it was over then later saying he will play on. Basically the rules have been broken in an unfair way by spotlighting a single target for everyone.

This game has highlighted the problem of having no diplomacy, as marverni and I got into each other early with no way to stop the war. Marverni I am sure thought he would have overrun me long ago and been able to turn his attention towards Pan, but I have managed to hold on for a long time frustrating any attempt to attack Pan earlier.

[Evilhomer]

Yes I was surprised how long you have held out against Marvereni (it made my decision to attack Abysia easier).

If we continue to play I suggest we all play "as if" we did not have this discussion.

[HoleyDooley]

I am happy to play to on to my death as always.....thats my reputation.

Someone else in this game, not mentioning anyones name (cough cough) has a reputation that as soon as he can't win tends to go AI accompanied with some farewell comment like "Gath are totally useless under CBM".

[Bullock]

Alright guys. Some good points have been made.
Obviously the "no diplo" rule has been broken, which is a good reason to stop the game there. (and maybe to avoid some drama ? :) )

I think the outcome won't change anyway, the victory of pangaea sounds pretty obvious. Especially considering the low resistance he has met from what i saw.

So the game is officially close, congratz to Evihomer who did very well.

Special thanks to my main opponent on this one, hooley !
I really enjoyed our struggle and appreciate you fought 'til the end.

Thanks for the good behavior of every1, i hope to see you again on the field.

[HoleyDooley]

Grats evil, you did very well.

Thanks Bullock, what a great struggle, early on I thought I had you but amazing economy you had in producing those Knights of yours.

The bad luck didn't seem too damaging to you. You played very well I have to say and its a pity you didn't get to go the distance.

HD

[ghoul31]

Pangaea has such a big lead, that there is no way he can lose

But I guess in a no diplomacy game we have to wait until he takes every single province in the game. we aren't allowed to end it before then.

So now I know.

[Soyweiser]

Snark aside, ghoul does raise an interesting point, how do you end no diplo games before they start to become a grind without breaking the non diplo rule?

[HoleyDooley]

The issue is or was, Ghoul said game is over then 5 minutes later after another post by someone else, game is on.

So what is it? Game over or game on? Apparently you are allowed to have your cake and eat it too.

No diplomacy certainly has its issues, I have already said/admitted that, but if the game was over, why change your tune to game on after rallying. support in a no diplomacy game?

[ghoul31]

The issue is or was, Ghoul said game is over then 5 minutes later after another post by someone else, game is on.

So what is it? Game over or game on? Apparently you are allowed to have your cake and eat it too.

No diplomacy certainly has its issues, I have already said/admitted that, but if the game was over, why change your tune to game on after rallying. support in a no diplomacy game?

Bullock said he though he could still win, and wanted to keep playing. So we had to continue the game.


So according to you, there can never be an end to a no diplomacy game.

[Fantomen]

No diplo games need clear victory conditions, without those you enter this paradox of not being able to end the game without breaking the rules or playing until everyone is totally annihilated.

I have never seen a no diplo game without explicit victory conditions before, so it's interesting to see from this example that it is practically doomed to end with someone breaking the rules.

In other words even if ghoul had not done so someone would have broken the no diplo rule sooner or later, since a mp game played to the absolute end with total annihilation is practically unheard of.

Sorry for commenting on a game I'm not in, and even was denied a place in, but it's quite interesting and a good lesson to learn.

[YellowCactus]

Yay for Evil Homer! Good game man! I want to know your s3Kr3tz!

[Evilhomer]

Thanks! hope all had fun playing. :)

If you by secrets mean the build I was using it was dom9, awake gorgon with n4e4. Scales were turmoil-3, sloth-3, growth-3, luck-3 and drain 2.