WallWorld2 - 10/10 - Newbie-Intermediate

[Tiavals]

Technically anyone is free to join, but I would prefer that people who join are fairly committed to it, not disappearing suddenly, and aren't some sort of super-players that will sweep the floor with everyone else.
So, anyone from Newbie to Intermediate skill is allowed to join. No elites or veterans or whatnot.


Game name: WallWorld2(which will be the name in llamaserver once I host it))
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=WallWorld
Era: Middle
Map: Greece Stain - Download link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=772280
Turns: Slow(48h) - Also using Quickhost(turns will be hosted earlier if everyone has sent their turns already)
Number of Players: 10
Mods: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.94
Diplomacy: Machiavelli

Special rules:
None

Players:
Tiavals - Shinuyama
Jolly Roger - Tien'Chi
Lunaje - C'tis
HeatEXTEND - Ulm
chelubey - R'Lyeh
starcryst - Mictlan
Anaconda - Machaka
HoleyDooley - Vanheim
Waterplouf - Pangae



Please send your pretender gods to pretenders@llamaserver.net
Make sure the CBM 1.94 mod is active when you design your pretender god.

The email subject file must be like this: WallWorld2

Any and all rules can be modified if people so want. Post and explain why you want something to be different and we'll discuss about it.

As for magic site frequency and all that, it'll be set to default unless someone disagrees.

If you have questions, I'll try to answer them.

[Jolly Roger]

ATLANTIS for me.

I´m very curious about your plan for Pangaea.

Regards; Klaus

[Tiavals]

I bet you are. :)

[statttis]

Arcoscephale for me.

[Lunaje]

Hi Tiavals,
Have you thought of using this mod, who came from the other forum and another game around here is already using? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/97382000/CB1.92.ED...enders.0.02.zip
Basically, it's the most updated version of CBM pre 1.93 (which is already out, but seems llamabeast will be doing little fixes)
If so, I'm interested in trying C'tis for this game.

[Tiavals]

Your link doesn't work for me Lunaje.

What does it include that's different from the mods I've put up otherwise?

[Tiavals]

Lunaje, we'll probably be using 1.93 instead of 1.92 after all.

[Lunaje]

Sorry, bad copy paste https://dl.dropbox.com/u/97382000/CB1.92.EDM.2.0.and.Pretenders.0.02.zip
It's mostly the pretender changes, but if we're using 1.93, sign me up for C'tis, as those changes are included in it.

[HeatEXTEND]

I'm in for Ulm :cool:

[Tiavals]

I'm in for Ulm :cool:

I see this is your first post on the forum. Do you know what llamaserver is and what the Conceptual Balance Mod 1.93 is?

Basically llamaserver is this thingie we use to host the game so it goes smoothly, and the CBM 1.93 mod is a thingie that makes the game more enjoyable for all by changing unit stats and such.

NOTE FOR EVERYONE:
Use Conceptual Balance Mod 1.93 when making your pretender.

[chelubey]

I'd like to try as MA Oceania

[Maliken]

I'd like to join as Bandar Log.
This is also my first post on the forums but I allready played some games on the invision dom3 forum.

[chelubey]

I'd like to try as MA Oceania

Since that was almost my first post as well, clarification: I'm quite new in multiplayer dom3, participated in about big games, and a few duels.

[dark7element]

Wow, you're starting up a lot of games all of a sudden, aren't you Tiavals? I'm game though. I've really been waiting for a Middle Age game to open up, MA is my favorite age in general.

Sign me up for Agartha.

[Tiavals]

Wow, you're starting up a lot of games all of a sudden, aren't you Tiavals? I'm game though. I've really been waiting for a Middle Age game to open up, MA is my favorite age in general.

Sign me up for Agartha.

What can I say? There's plenty of nations I want to try out in multiplayer and other people don't make the games as often as I'd like. :)

I'm not that big of a fan of MA, since it's basically vanilla Dom1 and Dom2 for the most part. :)

[dark7element]

What can I say? There's plenty of nations I want to try out in multiplayer and other people don't make the games as often as I'd like. :)

I'm not that big of a fan of MA, since it's basically vanilla Dom1 and Dom2 for the most part. :)

Well I guess that explains why it's so hard to find a MA game... I for one never played Dom 1 or Dom 2 and got my start with Dom 3. So, MA is the only age I haven't gotten the chance to play as MP yet.

As for why I like it, I'm mainly attracted to the fact that MA doesn't have "nonconventional" (I.E. game-breaking) nations like LA Rl'yeh and LA Ermor, but also, unlike Early Age, it has fewer uber-bless nations like Niefelheim and Hinnom.

[Anaconda]

Sign me up for the spiders.

[serbal]

hello, this is going to be my first online game , i played in hotseat with friend before but nothing else.

i would like to get abysia and for the map i cant seem to find it, can someone put a link for the download please?

anyway, i hope to have a great time doing that first game(and not die too fast :P)

[Tiavals]

hello, this is going to be my first online game , i played in hotseat with friend before but nothing else.

i would like to get abysia and for the map i cant seem to find it, can someone put a link for the download please?

anyway, i hope to have a great time doing that first game(and not die too fast :P)

I'm looking for the map myself, I'll probably have to edit it, so it'll take a time, since the only version available has fixed starting locations and nations.

I've also put the player limit to 10. Because I have no idea why it was more to begin with.

[Tiavals]

Here's the map, both the .tga and .map file. Put them to your Dominions3/map/ folder.

[Tiavals]

You can start sending your pretenders in.

Remember to use CBM 1.93 when making your god!

[Lunaje]

CBM 1.94 is out ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=49126
Since just half the pretenders are in, we could update to use the last version. What do you think?

[Tiavals]

Seems to me that none of the changes will truly affect our game, so I'd rather not upgrade to save the hassle.

[Lunaje]

I think the Zmey and EDM Air summons fixes are important, and there is some minor Abysia-Ctis-Machaka stuff but I understand your point.
I'll work a little more on my pretender and upload it in a while.

[Tiavals]

You convinced me. The scorpion man thing is pretty important. Plus they're really cool so I hope you use them. ;)

NOTE TO EVERYONE:
MOD HAS BEEN CHANGED TO 1.94
Which means you'll have to make new pretenders with that mod and upload them.

[Anaconda]

Good, came here to ask that we move up to 1.94

[Jolly Roger]

Designed new pretender with CBM 1.94 and uploaded already

Klaus

[Tiavals]

Whoops, seems like the game begun before people could upload their 1.94 dudes. Hopefully it won't matter.

If someone has a problem, post here and we'll restart.

If not, we'll just go as it is.

[Anaconda]

How do you know?

[Anaconda]

Just posted my first .2H and got this reply:


WallWorld: Turn 1 received for Machaka

FROM:

turns@llamaserver.net

TO:

xxxx@xxxxx.xxx

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:59 PM

Hello! Please find the attached turn file - Bretonnia turn 53 for the game Mod_Mayhem.

The next 2h file is due in by 21:57 GMT on Friday September 14th.


There were no attachements, thank pretendergod!

[Tiavals]

I guess that means we'll have to restart?

[Jolly Roger]

Designed and uploaded a CBM 1.94 pretender before the game started.

Tried to play the 1st turn, but the game doesn´t show up on the list of games.

Assume, we´ll need a restart.

Klaus

[Tiavals]

Okay, all-around weirdness then.

All pretenders deleted.

Send your pretenders again.

[Anaconda]

Designed and uploaded a CBM 1.94 pretender before the game started.

Tried to play the 1st turn, but the game doesn´t show up on the list of games.

Assume, we´ll need a restart.

Klaus

This might be because of "unconventional" characters in the game name, e.g. [space]. The game name has to be without special characters and without spaces, just an example.

[Jolly Roger]

Thanks, Anaconda.
That was the problem.

Uploaded a new 1.94 pretender


Klaus

[dark7element]

I see 10 pretenders submitted, time to start?

[Tiavals]

Hmm. Be prepared that all didn't go well. It showed 10 pretenders, yet the calculator said 9 pretenders. Hopefully just the calculator is wrong, since it showed -1 when I had deleted all, probably due to concurrency problems. :)

[Anaconda]

Please turn off quick host. I submitted my turn, but I need to adjust it a lot. This just in case everyone does their turns before I can get back home (in 16H).

[Tiavals]

Very well. Hopefully I'll remember to put it back on.

[Anaconda]

Thanks you. I am done.

[Maliken]

Is it normal that there are level 6 independent air mages running around? It's the first time I've ever seen an independent mage of a level higher then 3.

[Tiavals]

Never seen one myself.

At this point of the game, I'm guessing a random event, like the Bogus patrol or such could create a dude like that.

[Jolly Roger]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on a trip to the beautiful city of Dresden from Thursday to Saturday evening. Gonna have no internet access until Sunday
morning ( GMT +1).

A break for this period would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Klaus

[Tiavals]

It shouldn't be a problem. Unless someone disagrees?

When Thursday morning sets in, I'll postpone the next turn by 72 hours.

[HeatEXTEND]

i got a stale turn message while only getting the 2h. this morning at 8:00

Can anyone tell me what this is about ?

Edit: from what I can tell the game didn't process my last turn, and now I'm ****ed. Rollback or I'm AI. Someone decide.

[Tiavals]

Guess we'll rollback then.

[HeatEXTEND]

Thanks, just in case it was my fault (I'm 100% sure I sent in the turn before the pause, so I dunno what happened here), I apologize to everyone.

[Lunaje]

So we just send the same file again?
This was a real fast rollback, what did happen? I don't think "rollback or I'm AI" it's a good attitude, since it's not the rest of the players or the admin fault that this happened.
Also, Abysia was AI in the rolled back turn. It was already AI for a while? I didn't notice until now, but that's certainly a let down.

[Lunaje]

Oh, didn't see Heat's last post. I didn't intend to be rude, just worried that the AIs start appearing.

[Tiavals]

Really? I didn't even know Abysia was AI. Didn't send me a message.

Anyway, just send the last turn file you had again, if you still have it. That way knowledge of future events won't corrupt your choices, if you saw the new turn.

[Maliken]

Serbal went AI after turn 12. I didn't know this beforehand, I just save all my turns.
Are there any rules regarding attacking a nation that went ai?

[Ragnarok-X]

Yes. Find a sub.

[Lunaje]

It's already AI, a sub won't do. Rules? I don't know., but overall it's an annoying situation, since it's easy territory wins (and a capital, big prize) for neighboring nations.
Ok, I sent the same file. Hope everything goes ok.

[Tiavals]

Just take his territories. Can't do much about it.

[Anaconda]

I didnt re-sub my turn, and still it didnt complain about stalling?

[dark7element]

Sorry, I kinda forgot about this game for a few days. Thus my last turn was a stale. I'll try not to let it happen again.

[HeatEXTEND]

What's this about C'tis ? Someone elaborate ?

edit: also a commander (that I just now build a ****load of items for that are collecting rust/dust now).....disappeared.....one turn he's standing in a fort, the next he's gone, no message no nothing. Can anyone explain/guess what this is about ? Because it kinda sucks lol.

[Tiavals]

I'm guessing the disappearance of your commander and the message about C'tis are some bugs that are connected somehow. I really have no idea about them.

I doubt redoing the turn will help, so I think we should go on and play and hope nothing else happens.

Unless someone happens to know what this is about?

[Lunaje]

I got the message that I'm supposed to be cheating, but don't what it means. It has to do something with the rollback, maybe? But I'm just guessing.

[Tiavals]

Seems quite possible. Well know for sure if you win the game. ;)

[Anaconda]

I didnt re-sub my turn, and still it didnt complain about stalling?

Strange things occurred this turn, indeed.

[Lunaje]

Seems quite possible. Well know for sure if you win the game. ;)

That's a very long shot for C'tis :P

[HeatEXTEND]

What a mess........I gotta say if this is standard PBEM stuff.....:[

For reference this is my first PBEM game and so far one turn completely bugged out and now a commander disappears without leaving a trace. Not a good look so far lol. Unless I'm doing something wrong :p.
It's as simple as dl turn > put in folder > open/select game > play/end turn > send .2h right ? Just to be sure :p

[Tiavals]

That's what I do. First time ever I've had any funny stuff with a game, so it's quite rare.

[Valerius]

I was browsing Dom3mods and noticed a rather attention getting post by Calahan. ;) You'll want to read this (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1085).

[Lunaje]

I was about to link that post. Seems we've run into some trouble, and need to do the proper rollback. But I must say, this will totally screw up my war effort.

[Tiavals]

I see, that certainly was an informative post. So Calahan, if you're reading this, thank you.

I guess we'll have to do what he suggests. I'll see about it later today.

Sorry for all the trouble, folks.

[Anaconda]

Based on Callahan's post it was all my fault it seems. My humblest apologies!!!11

[HeatEXTEND]

They say that sometimes, late at night, you can see Calahan's shrapnel account roam around the shrapnel forums, looking for noobs to trash and newbs to enlighten.

My advice, don't log-on past eight and leave all the lights in the room on.


Edit: I should probably also apologize for this mess, after reading Cal's post I'm guessing "rollback or AI" isn't the best attitude...I didn't realize that me getting un-****ed would in turn actually **** the whole game....lesson learned and sorry...:[

[Jolly Roger]

Read Calahan´s thread meanwhile. Means we have to contact the guy who runs the server to get that sorted out.

I suggest to restart the game.

Cheers, Klaus

[Tiavals]

Well then, guess we'll make a vote:

Who are in favor of starting the game completely from the beginning(means you can change your nation and so on), and who wants to continue the game as is, after trying that stuff out mentioned in the other thread.

[Anaconda]

I sustain from voting; I can live and play with either decision.

[chelubey]

1. I don't think there is a sense to seek guilty ones here. It seems we've got mostly uniform group of newbie MP players here and most were simply unaware that rollback can cause anything like that. These rollback things don't look from outside like something very disastrous may hiding behind, so reaction of those who was involved in this issue was adequate.

Yes, of course, with a posteriori knowledge it would be better to consult someone experienced one about rollbacks.
But if there are no indications that some problem may arise in some point, it is not that good to run for veteran's assistance every time.
So lets not blame anyone, people acted adequately to situation within the knowledge available to them.

Rather I would thank Calahan for his reaction, attitude and thorough detailed hints about it.
Not only he leaded us from swamp where we appeared (that is provided means to resolve particular case), but such an explicit analysis becomes a node where people will be able to point out when in some other game rollback will be considered.

2. We have not one problem with current game, but two problems.
Unfortunate rollback is main one, but we also have a player going AI almost from the very beginning. Not something to contribute to game's quality.

3. I would vote for the first choice ("starting the game completely from the beginning(means you can change your nation and so on)").

[Jolly Roger]

I vote for restart from the beginning

Cheers, Klaus

[HeatEXTEND]

I vote restart, I'd rather play a proper game.

[Lunaje]

I think a restart will be better at this point.

[Maliken]

I vote for a restart as well. It's a good learning expirience for all of I guess :).

[Tiavals]

It seems like we'll be restarting then, but I'll wait for the rest of the votes to see.

In the meanwhile, start thinking about your nations and such in case we do restart.

[statttis]

I vote for restart.

[Maliken]

If we restart, should we change the mod to CBM 1.94?

[Tiavals]

If we restart, should we change the mod to CBM 1.94?

Most certainly, yes.

[Tiavals]

Well, it seems the majority has decided on restart.

Same settings, except for CBM 1.94
Also, game name is WallWorld2, so you have to send your pretenders there.

Choose your nations and send your pretenders. I'll be playing Shinuyama.

[Jolly Roger]

Thanks for restarting.

I´ll play T`ien Ch´i.


Cheers, Klaus

[Tiavals]

Oh, and in case it wasn't obvious, those who chose their nation for the first iteration of the game, have them claimed by default, so no one else can take your nation unless you choose something else yourself.

[Lunaje]

I'll keep C'tis for the restart.

[Anaconda]

I will keep my spiders.

[Anaconda]

If we restart, should we change the mod to CBM 1.94?

Most certainly, yes.

I am pretty sure we were using 1.94 in the first place . . . based on the discussion in the pages 1-3 at this thread.

[chelubey]

I'd like to change nation to R'lyeh.

[Maliken]

I would like to chance my nation to Mictlan.

[HeatEXTEND]

Ulm for me plz

[Anaconda]

If we restart, should we change the mod to CBM 1.94?

Most certainly, yes.

I am pretty sure we were using 1.94 in the first place . . . based on the discussion in the pages 1-3 at this thread.

I tested it, and I was indeed running CBM 1.94 as we were supposed to. The fact that some might have been running 1.92 or 1.93 might have contributed to the strange things taking place.

[chelubey]

There is one more issue with restart.

This map has 132 land provinces and 39 sea provinces. It means 7 land nations and 2 water nations (for instance) are going to have about 20 potential provinces per player to expand.

With Serbal's dissapearance and silent going to AI we have these 9 players.

But at the moment I have a single sea nation, so I'll have some advantage over others. It is not that underwater nations tend to win MP games (and I don't think I'll do well anyway due to lack of experience with underwater ones), but still start will be unfair this way.

Maybe one of us would like to try Oceania or Atlantis to make things more even?


P.S. For more precise count it worths to take into account that 7 sea provinces are lakes far within land. As far as I remember they are not connected to ocean (no access to game to check it at the moment).

So more correct values will be 139 (132+7) vs 32 (39-7). This way two underwater nations are in somewhat worse situation than land ones, but single underwater nation still have advantages (1.5 times more provinces to expand on initial stage).

[chelubey]

more correct values will be 139 (132+7) vs 32 (39-7). This way two underwater nations are in somewhat worse situation than land ones, but single underwater nation still have advantages (1.5 times more provinces to expand on initial stage).

I'm not sure whether it is something significant to care about and whether warning about this issue (what will affect others decisions) + some presumed relative weakness of underwater nations in long run are enough to compensate. My duty is to point out on this issue, and I'm completely fine either if I'll be alone or with some water neighbour.

[Tiavals]

If everyone could confirm their nations, it would be nice.

[HeatEXTEND]

Once again, Ulm :p

[chelubey]

Our admin raised a question on game-defining issue more than a week ago:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=812528&postcount=71

Then he asked confirmation in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=812711&postcount=94

Since the very beginning there were zero replies from dark7element and serbal.
Stattis voted for restart.

Concerning serbal: he dropped nation to AI without even notifying someone. His last forum login was "Last Activity: 09-15-12 03:41 PM". Looks like a sample of very inappropriate player behaviour degrading game quality in a whole.

But what about others?
How many ACTIVE players remain in game now?
How many open nation-slots do we have (if any) requiring recruitment?
How can Tiavals (or anybody else) conclude it if some players in team remain silent?

(I don't assert there are those who ignored these questions since I don't have full info - maybe they contacted via another means. But I assume that "?" signs at nation selection which remain for a few players in header message and lack of answers on forum are correlated.)

Ladies and gentlemen - we are struggled on almost a week around very basic and simple question - if things will go in such a non-disciplined way, this game will unlikely bring much good.
I understand if someone can't find the time to make his/her turn in late game for several days, but just a simple decision and a very few words on forum are needed here.

[Lunaje]

I'm with Chelubey here, the game needs a little push to start again. I don't think Serbal is going back, he disappeared without a word. Also, if we have slots still open, reserving a spot for a water nation seems necessary to me. 32 provinces is a lot for just one nation with no immediate competition. I would play Atlantis, but really want to play C'tis and don't have the time to test them properly these days.

[dark7element]

Sorry I haven't been responding to the game lately. I've been busy, both with RL stuff and with the other games I've been playing. The good news is that I'm about to die in "Primordial Cake" and "Tower of Elephant" is in the final stretch, so I should be able to be more active.

I will create a pretender and submit sometime tonight.

I still want to play Agartha.

[Tiavals]

Well then, we'll be playing with the present players and changing the map, or hunting for new players.

What are your thoughts?

[HeatEXTEND]

I'd say whichever one's faster, but I don't mind waiting a bit to get a Decent game started.

[chelubey]

I'd vote for another map - anything with fixed starts. Random starts may result in very odd (and bad) capital placement for some nations.

In order to be constructive, I digged in llamaserver's map listing, seeking for 9 land, 1 sea maps with fixed starts.

And here is what I found: http://imgur.com/qmvmq

Map's thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44078
Comments from discussion: "This is a tournament quality map that will be added to my long list of favorite maps. The idea of having impassable mountains with caves that connect opposing nations is always cool. Every aspect is balanced and well defined. The colors add to defining the territories."

Download link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=772280

Map's placement on llamaserver is highlighted at http://imgur.com/qmvmq

[Maliken]

The sooner we start the better in my opinion.

[Anaconda]

Agreed

[Tiavals]

That map looks good to me. However, since I'll be dropping serbal from the list, we'll have 9 players, so I'll recruit more. While we're waiting for statttis to say something about his nation, I'll be posting a lookout for 1 player(2 just in case probably).

[HoleyDooley]

Howdy Tiav, I'll join as Vanheim.

HD

[Evilhomer]

I was looking for another game to join. To be fair and honest I am probably above intermediate in skill (though rusty since I used to play the game many years ago). I will leave it up to game creater to decide if that is ok or not.

[Tiavals]

Evilhomer, as mentioned in the other thread, we probably needed only one, but if we need another, I'll be in contact.

[dark7element]

Augh, I've stalled again. Sorry my pretender isn't in yet. I'll send it ASAP.

[Tiavals]

The rest of you, send your pretenders as well. The map has been officially changed to Greece Stain.

Nations joined so far:
Shinuyama
Ulm
Machaka
Mictlan
T'ien Ch'i
Vanheim
R'lyeh

Which means Lunaje, statttis and dark7element are being waited for.

[HeatEXTEND]

yup.....

[dark7element]

I just tried to submit a pretender but it hasn't shown up yet, did we switch mod versions or something?

Edit: Nevermind, I forgot to change the subject in the email. Pretender shows up now.

[chelubey]

Which means Lunaje, statttis and dark7element are being waited for.

Statttis is still missing.
According to forum's profile his "Last Activity: 10-17-12 02:46 AM", so he was gone nine days ago.

[Tiavals]

Yeah, statttis is scrapped. I'll start looking for a new player immediately.

[Tiavals]

Looks like the replacement had already joined another game.

The easiest choice is to just have 9 players and use a 9 player map. Anyone have an example map?

[Lunaje]

The Land of Ethereal Squirrels by Elmokki (103 land + 13 sea) will leave us with about 13 provinces per player, including the water nation. Seems a decent number to me, but some may prefer more room for early expansion. Anyway, there is even a version with fixed land starts on llamaserver.

And also a version of the Desert Eye for which Calahan set up fixed starts for 8 lands players and 1 water one: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=807348 Which happens to be our number! About 14 provinces per player, give or take.

[HeatEXTEND]

Anything will be fine with me.

[dark7element]

Everyone, I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out due to a devastating personal tragedy. I'm going to try to keep playing in the game I'm already in, but I don't want to get involved in a new one. I'm not sure how to go about dropping out, if it's possible please just remove me.

[HoleyDooley]

Sorry to hear that Dark. Hope life gets better quickly for you.

[Tiavals]

My condolences.

---

I'll post about getting new players again.

[Waterplouf]

Hey, I am pretty much interested if you want me in. I would like MA Pangaea.

[chelubey]

The Land of Ethereal Squirrels by Elmokki (103 land + 13 sea) will leave us with about 13 provinces per player, including the water nation. Seems a decent number to me, but some may prefer more room for early expansion. Anyway, there is even a version with fixed land starts on llamaserver.

It looks very unpleasant towards water nation.
12 available for expansion water provinces consist of two lakes which are divided by a wall of several land provinces.

And also a version of the Desert Eye for which Calahan set up fixed starts for 8 lands players and 1 water one: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=807348 Which happens to be our number! About 14 provinces per player, give or take.

It is much-much better.

[Waterplouf]

I've sent my pretender and the game started :doh:
I hope I haven't messed everything up ?

[Tiavals]

Technically it is me who messed up, since the game was on auto-start, despite we still being in the setup phase.

Regardless, at this point I'm just willing to go with it, but it seems unbalanced as Agartha is in game despite his player having just withdrawn.

Hopefully he doesn't have a password, so we can get a sub for him. Or we can just start the game yet again.

I'm turning out to be an extremely poor administrator for the game. :P

[Lunaje]

Isn't better restart than search for a turn 1 sub? Also, we will keep Greece Stain as map? It's a lot more provinces for each one. I would go with Desert Eye, though current map looks very good, but too much expansion phase for my taste.

[Tiavals]

Game has been restarted, it was easier than I thought.

Map has been changed to Calahan's Desert Eye.

[Lumix19]

If you guys are missing a player I would love to join as Caelum. :)

[Anaconda]

We are GO!

[Tiavals]

If you guys are missing a player I would love to join as Caelum. :)

We started already and no one has complained about anything so far, so I'm guessing everything is finally okay. :o

[Anaconda]

It might serve us to increase the interval some +12H.

[Tiavals]

Agreed. Changed interval.

[chelubey]

Machaka staled twice in a row. User's profile for Anaconda shows he/she was about 5 days online last time.

[Tiavals]

I'm guessing a sub is needed, then. I'll post about it. If Anaconda returns before a sub replaces him, he can keep his nation.

[mattyburn7]

Cheers All. I am the new SpiderMan of Machaka. Vanheim, Ulm, Pangaea. Did my predecessor have any agreements (or wars) with any of you? Cheers!

[HeatEXTEND]

I'm pretty sure he was just about to send me all his items/gems ;]

[Anaconda]

My bad, i was unable to access my dom3 computer(s) and too busy to log in here with other computers available, too. Life was just too hectic at the latter part of last week. Good you find a new spider, hopefully he can rule rock your socks off. I will be sending him my plans in a little bit.

[Lunaje]

Wow, that was quick! This ultra-express head of government change for Machaka is very fitting to the african theme of the nation :P.

[mattyburn7]

But quite peaceful and friendly!

[HeatEXTEND]

I got a little too wasted and did my turn, but didn't send it :/.
You're welcome enemies :P

[HeatEXTEND]

Waterplouf, do you mind......

[Lunaje]

Seems Pangea is staling.

[HeatEXTEND]

With one province left......

[mattyburn7]

Yes. Same person is staling in another game that they are hosting.

[HeatEXTEND]

Hmm, I thought it was looking a bit suspect, but then again I'm an internet paranoiac.

[Tiavals]

It won't be long until Pangae is snuffed out.

[Waterplouf]

Aye, I apologize for the staling. I had a busy life these days and as I was basically dead, I kind of "zapped" Dominion out of my head.
Still, my apologize. Should I go IA or just wait for machaka and shinuyama to just take the last bits ?

[HeatEXTEND]

Just don't stale :p

[Tiavals]

Whatever you feel is the best Waterplouf. If you can do the turns in time, by all means do so, but if not, going AI is probably the option, since I doubt you'll be making a comeback from that situation. :)

[HeatEXTEND]

If I could get a 12-hour extension, that would be just great. Really don't want another stale :p.

[Tiavals]

Game has been delayed 96 hours due to player request.

[HeatEXTEND]

Sorry everyone for stalling the game but I have some RL blablabla going on and I wanna be thorough with my turn. With a little luck I'll be able to send tomorrow. Again, sorry for stalling :/.

[Tiavals]

Shinuyama is looking for Earth Gems. I can pay in Water, Nature, Fire or Death gems, or forged items of what I can make.

[Jolly Roger]

I´ll be on vacation until the 22nd. However TC is defeated already,
so please continue. I´ve given all orders for the next turns.

Cheers, Klaus

[Lunaje]

I won't have internet access from 25 to 1 so I need to know if we will have a pause or relaxed schedule for the holidays, I don't wanna miss my turns.
Also, someone else would like to extend the regular timer? We're almost reaching turn 40 on 36h, and they are starting to take some time.

[Tiavals]

I changed the hosting interval to 60.

If it's too much, say so and I might lower it to 48.

As for a pause or slowing down, I'm okay with that. Any suggestions on how to do it?

[Lunaje]

I've seen that other games set the hosting interval to something like 240h some days before the "pause", so if anyone can play a turn, they do it, but if someone is out, it won stale.

[HeatEXTEND]

Sounds fine.

[chelubey]

I've seen that other games set the hosting interval to something like 240h some days before the "pause", so if anyone can play a turn, they do it, but if someone is out, it won stale.

Yes, that looks like a perfect solution.

[Tiavals]

When do you want this to be implemented? 22? 23? 24th?

[Tiavals]

Also, Shinuyama is having a great artifact sale. You want your very own Aegis? Send me your offer and I'll see about it!
Any and all artifacts are for sale(which I can produce as Shinuyama), provided the price is right. Earth gems are required to make purchases. Or huge amounts of astral pearls.

[Tiavals]

I'm setting the hosting interval to 240 hours, as most people are likely busy with holiday and I might not be here later to set it to delays and such, hope no one minds.

It's still on quick host, though, so you can do your turns as you like.

[Tiavals]

I have normalized the hosting time to 48 hours.

[HeatEXTEND]

I would like to ask for an extension upwards to jan 3rd, my birthday is
jan 2nd and this causes some RL logistic business :p.

[Tiavals]

I'll try to remember it after the turn hosts. We're still waiting for mictlan.

[HeatEXTEND]

Would be much appreciated.

[Lunaje]

Tiavals,
Wasn't the hosting interval in 60h before the long pause?
I could really use the extra time for the turns, so I would like to know if anyone else is in the same position, since we are near turn 40 already.

[Tiavals]

Ah, right you are, I'll put it to 60.

Also, delaying the game some 24 hours.

[Tiavals]

Maliken seems to be missing, according to outside info, and he staled last turn and is in danger of staling this one.

Thus I'm putting up a call for a Mictlan substitute player. I'll postpone the turn by 48h in order to see if Maliken comes back or if a sub is needed, he has time to make his turn.

[Tiavals]

Since Maliken is completely missing, the player replacing him will be a permanent replacement. If we get no replacement, I will have to turn him to AI, but I'd like to avoid that since Mictlan has a strong position.

[chelubey]

Mictlan is one of the strongest powers. It would be very bad for the quality of the game to see it going to AI.
I'd rather (personally) wait for some substitute player to come even if it will take long.

[Tiavals]

starcryst expressed interest in subbing, I have sent him the turn. If there's no password, he'll be taking over. If there is a password, the only option is to AI.

[Lunaje]

Hope there isn't pass, AI Mictlan will turn things on the ugly side of life.

[starcryst]

No password! I should have time tonight to get my turn in.

Would help to have some history on the game. I notice that Mictlan has lost some territory recently. Am I at war with someone? Do I have NAPs with anyone?

I'll read the entire game thread later today, but a summary of the game so far would be very helpful in getting me acclimated.

Thanks!

[Tiavals]

No password! I should have time tonight to get my turn in.

Would help to have some history on the game. I notice that Mictlan has lost some territory recently. Am I at war with someone? Do I have NAPs with anyone?

I'll read the entire game thread later today, but a summary of the game so far would be very helpful in getting me acclimated.

Thanks!

Best not read the game thread, since there's a LOT of confusion there since we had to start the game over again due to some problems and such. It'll just make you very confused if you read it, I think. :)

I don't know much about Mictlan's history, I don't have any deals with them. Just that some people fear them greatly and are in war with them, I believe.

I've postponed by 12 hours so you can get accustomed to your nation.

[Man with No Name]

If there is a password, the only option is to AI.
If the nation did have a password, then you would still need that password to set the nation to AI. As there is no way to do that outside of the game. The "Set a nation to AI" option on the admin page of the llamaserver is more than just a little deceptive. As if you click on it, it will tell you how to set a nation AI, and tell you that it has to be done from in-game by the player. But it is in no way a "Set a nation to AI" option.

But if you set a Master Passowrd when creating the game, then that can be used in place of any player passwords that might exist. Meaning with a master password, you can never be locked out of a nation, which would be the case if a nation had an unknown password and there was no Master Password. The only solution in such a case would be to let the nation stale until it was eliminated from the game.

tl;dr - ALWAYS set a Master Password.

[Tiavals]

If there is a password, the only option is to AI.
If the nation did have a password, then you would still need that password to set the nation to AI. As there is no way to do that outside of the game. The "Set a nation to AI" option on the admin page of the llamaserver is more than just a little deceptive. As if you click on it, it will tell you how to set a nation AI, and tell you that it has to be done from in-game by the player. But it is in no way a "Set a nation to AI" option.

But if you set a Master Passowrd when creating the game, then that can be used in place of any player passwords that might exist. Meaning with a master password, you can never be locked out of a nation, which would be the case if a nation had an unknown password and there was no Master Password. The only solution in such a case would be to let the nation stale until it was eliminated from the game.

tl;dr - ALWAYS set a Master Password.

Thank you for the advice, weird stranger.

Lucky for me, I always use a master password(I thought it was mandatory).

[HeatEXTEND]

Mysterious stranger :0

[chelubey]

Could we have 12 hours extension please?

[Tiavals]

Sure, extended by 12h.

[HeatEXTEND]

For the record, watching wave after wave of pixelmen fearlessly throw themselves to their doom looks pretty damn funny :p

[Tiavals]

Meanie. :(

[HeatEXTEND]

Your aegis is eating up all my mans and I'm the meany? Well I never :p

[Tiavals]

Oh that's what you were talking about. It's par the course. :)

My only victory in the war so far, so I figured you were talking of my poor expensive bakemonos that are turned to pincushions by your annoying arbalests.

[chelubey]

I'm likely too late with it, but still.
Add 24 hours delay please.

[Tiavals]

Sorry, didn't see that until now.

[chelubey]

You can't be and are not supposed to be 100% around. Its my problem I requested delay that late. (Luckily hurry almost didn't have consequences anyway).

[Lunaje]

I need a 24 hour extension for this one. Thanks.

[Tiavals]

Extended.

[HeatEXTEND]

If possible I would love for this turn to be extended towards friday/saturday, I have some RL **** coming down -_-.

[Tiavals]

Unfortunately it seems both Ulm and Mictlan staled.

I'll extend this turn till the end of the weekend so everyone will have time to do their turns for sure.

[HeatEXTEND]

Thanks alot :]

[chelubey]

Llamaserver's oddity:
> Game: WallWorld2
> Turn number 60
> Next turn due: 06:44 GMT on Monday March 4th
> Shinuyama 2h file received
> C'tis 2h file received
> Machaka 2h file received
> Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
> R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file
> Ulm 2h file received
> Last updated at 00:19 GMT on Monday March 4th
> Current time: 05:34 GMT

I sent my turn about 4 hours ago, but llamaserver doesn't perform any processing:( There was no confirmation mail as well (mails - since I tried to post turn several times).
I hope all unprocessed queues will be processed there before taking into account actual time/deadline otherwise me and Mictlan are going to stale on this turn.

[chelubey]

Ultimately everything went fine: http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=WallWorld2&action=showstales

[Tiavals]

Good.

[Lunaje]

So Mictlan went suddenly AI on turn 60? I didn't notice until now.

[Tiavals]

So it would seem. Strange.

[HeatEXTEND]

Thx for letting us know -__

[chelubey]

What are our victory conditions? Everyone's concession?
I realized I don't know what they are, and there is nothing about it in thread's header message (neither later).

[Tiavals]

Well, I'm not that picky. Until everyone feels someone is unbeatable. I guess an allied victory could work? For now it's just one to rule them all, but if everyone agrees, allied victory is accepted too.

[chelubey]

Ok, thanks for clarification.
Actually I didn't mean joint victories. Rather suddenly for I've realised I'm not sure what our victory conditions are, and I'be became alarmed that we could have victory condition related with % of capitals captured. It would significantly change matters.

And despite there was nothing about that in the header, I decided to check just in case.

[Tiavals]

As far as I know, I didn't put the victory points in-game mechanic in use, so that'd normally mean the game goes on until a single victor is chosen among the players.

[chelubey]

2 everyone:
Two simultaneous emails with current turn (one .trn file in each) came when last turn was processed.
Also our game lost its staling history at llamaserver: http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=WallWorld2&action=showstales

These are certain omens of something dreadful oncoming. Consider yourself warned!

Well, I'm joking:)
These are just accident observations, no more.

[Tiavals]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Wonder if it's a known bug? Hopefully nothing unfortunate will happen because of it.

[chelubey]

Could we have +24 hours delay for this turn?

[Tiavals]

Sure, done.

[chelubey]

Could I ask for 24 hours delay for this turn as well?
Closest turn(s) are probably going to be gamechanging, they literally take me several evenings each, and I poorly planned the time again.

[Tiavals]

Sure, in fact, I'll put 36 hours to the game clock for the rest of the game, unless someone opposes?

[chelubey]

Sure, in fact, I'll put 36 hours to the game clock for the rest of the game, unless someone opposes?

Thanks!

[chelubey]

Actually it was the hardest (most effort-consuming) turn for me not just in this game, but in my whole dom3 career.
And in full accordance with Murphy Laws everything finished mainly with dissapointments and unpleasant surprises:)

[Tiavals]

Couldn't have been that bad, since I didn't kill anything important from you. :)

[chelubey]

Couldn't have been that bad, since I didn't kill anything important from you. :)

Maybe it was the very reason why you didn't kill anything important from me:)

[chelubey]

Oh! What a ridiculous bug:(
King of Flame was one of communion masters (via Crystal Matrix) and its unique identifier copied through whole communion:(

[chelubey]

It seems I finally realized what the hell has happened.

Internal upspells for communion masters are spread among whole communion. This King of Flame, Pyriphlogos, has some second form which boosts its fire magic in combat. Since he entered the combat as communion master _already_ (due to crystal matrix), not just battle upspells, but even initial form shifts were transferred. So those who entered the fight as communion slaves _already (due to slave matrixes) received. It is why all my SCs who had Slave Matrix started the battle in Pyriphlogos' battle chasis form (only physical form, they retained their magic).

So what can I say about it.
1. According to the consequences it is clear and pure bug, but it was caused by normal reverse communion mechanics multiplied by normal Crystal Matrix/Slave Matrix mechanics multiplied by normal Pyriphlogos mechanics.
2. I was totally unaware of this side effect and didn't plan anything like that.
I'm spending many hours for SP testing each turn among several last turns, but I tested other things. (Amount of features/placement/scripting to test in order to perfect one's performance seems to be neverending).
3. Such an outcome actually hit me heavily. I've lost 5 SC chasises, receiving these SCs in Pyriphlogos physical form, what is almost a lethal fighting downgrade for all of them: very low hp (in comparison with what I had), no protection, no foot slot, like -4 stats due to overaging to many of them (so utmost ridiculous strength/att/def as a result), insane penalty for my cold3 dominion ... for the exchange of fire shield.
4. Although they are still bugged, so some decisions have to be made by our admin. Tiavals, - that's up to you to judge. If you'll decide me to get rid of them, I'll get rid of them, that's fine. After all this situation is caused solely by my overcomplicated plans and features multiplication I didn't backed up with enough testing.

[Tiavals]

That is certainly one of the strangest bugs I've seen.

Were they actually Grendelkin? A pretty huge downgrade if so. :)

Edit: Might want to report it to the CBM team if you haven't already, although I'm not sure if such a bug can be fixed seeing as how the boosted battle forms work.

I have no problem with them. I'd rather not redo a turn as I've had bad experiences with such things, so if you can live with it, so can I, since it probably hit you much worse than me.

[chelubey]

That is certainly one of the strangest bugs I've seen.

Were they actually Grendelkin? A pretty huge downgrade if so. :)

Empowered ones. (Crystal/slave matrices don't work for commanders without magic).

I have no problem with them. I'd rather not redo a turn as I've had bad experiences with such things, so if you can live with it, so can I, since it probably hit you much worse than me.

No, no, redoing turn is not an option here. It can harm a game in a whole.

Edit: Might want to report it to the CBM team if you haven't already, although I'm not sure if such a bug can be fixed seeing as how the boosted battle forms work.

I will.

[Tiavals]

Suppose we'll continue as normal then? I doubt it has hindered your ability to win that much, all things considered. :)

[chelubey]

Ok, let's go.

P.S. It seems I've got some subconscious aversion towards Grendelkins, what causes me to suicide them in various contranatural means:)
I've drowned two full-kitted Grendelkins in the very beginning of the war. Some unusual movement was planned, and I can swear I tested that in SP. At least I'm under such impression. But when I employed that in actual game, they drowned:)

[Tiavals]

I wonder if I should share the admin powers to everyone in the game? As my turns are pretty fast and I have little to do, I don't watch the forums that much, so if you need to postpone hosting, it'd be good if you could do it by yourself, instead of waiting for me to notice it.

Does anyone oppose this?

[mattyburn7]

I'm ok with it. I think we are all a trustworthy group.

[Lunaje]

I see no problem with this at this point. It will also be an interesting approach to admin.

[chelubey]

I'm fine with whatever decision here.

[Tiavals]

Ok, I'll send an admin message with the password to everyone. Feel free to delay the turn processing as you feel fit. But don't mess with anything else. :)

[Lunaje]

Damn, a stale. I've been very busy this week and as my only other game is on hold, I totally forgot about this turn. Will try to pay more attention next time.

[Lunaje]

24 hours self granted extension-

[chelubey]

Congratulation to peers with the 100th turn we just hit.

[Lunaje]

Everyone,
As we've been talking the recent days, the game is over and R'yleh is the winner. Congratulations Chelubey.
Thanks to everyone sticking until the end, Tiavals for setting up the game, and Mattyburn for taking over Machaka until turn ¡101 !
I may write something about the game one of these days. Hope to see you all in Dom 4, though probably not for a while in my case. Good game, I got to see many of the end game stuff around. I got the Hammer as a gift and it was wished away in a blink. Talk about power :P

[mattyburn7]

Congrats Chelubey...was a fun game. I was always a bit player, but I enjoyed. Take care y'all hope to see everyone around soon!

[chelubey]

Those were turns 86-88 which defined result. Opposition of largest Shinuyama's army and largest R'lyeh's army on the isthmus to the south-east from Ulm finished whem Shinuyama attacked. Both parties brought tremendous forces (up to a score of SCs from each side backed by several scores of mages backed by hundreds of chaff), so were the casualties of goblins when they lost it. The loss of several empowered Grendelkins due to the Pyriphlogos form which propagated through communion was not that heavy, since goblins lost everything, while I took insane heap of loot.

Simultaneously in the former Mictlan's lands second Shinuyama's largest army divided in several parts - something what helped me to easily kill them one by one.

These several turns seemingly decided the destiny of the game.

[chelubey]

Thanks everyone for the company and Tiavals for the game. It took a while to make it go, we even had a false start in the beginning, although it resulted in good and challenging game.

[Tiavals]

Congrats to chelubey for the well deserved win, and thanks for participating to everyone. Now I'll leave behind the dust of Dom3 and enter the glorious world of Dom4, when it ultimately comes out. :)