First War of Loemendor, EA, sziro - Agartha has won!

[earcaraxe]

map: land of loemendor (the no specials version)
era: early
hosting: llamaserver, 24 hrs from start, then increase at consensus. tolerance to RL, probably turning quickhost off eventually.
mods: CBM 1.94
HOF: 15
players: 10
no water nations

map here: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//showthread.php?t=33602

anyone wanna join this game must send his pretender in WITHIN 12 HOURS of posting the application here to make his application valid. (to avoid dragging the start out for weeks as happened before)

if u join this game please keep fighting if u have a chance to win, dont quit too early. on the other hand we wont spend too much time looking for subs, if u are in a hopeless situation, just turn the AI on.

I plan to make a second and third war of loemendor in the future, with middle and late era respectively. Anyone wanna join the next one in the series will have privilege to select his previous nation if he wants to.

good luck and much fun to everyone!

(* denotes the unsent pretenders)

Hullu: Ulm fled after losing his army and all of his combat mages
Debaser: Kailasa, defeated, killed
Jimbojones: Ermor, defeated, surrendered
Sziro: Agartha, victorious, the new GOD!
Veyasu: Niefelheim defeated, killed
Rotarr: Sauromatia defeated, killed
Deadnature: Yomi his loyal troops held his capital for two years, until the end.
BTBG: Caelum defeated, killed
Tiavals: T'ien C'hi surrendered after losing both of his armies
Earcaraxe: Lanka seeing opposition futile, surrendered a strong empire

I have cross-posted it on invision too:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1027&st=0#entry22026077

[Tiavals]

Any particular experience level? Newbie? Intermediate? Veteran?

[earcaraxe]

some MP experience preferred.

[Tiavals]

Well, I guess I have some.

Signing up for Tien'Chi.

[earcaraxe]

very welcome!

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Hmmm, shame about the previous game. I was psyched about trying some things as MA Aby. EA Aby isn't as fun, so I think I'll switch- put me down for Caelum.

[chelubey]

I already participate in several MP games. I've got some slight doubts recently that after a while they altogether can become quite time consuming.
With one more game my assurance in my capabilities to keep everything under 100% control would become not that certain.
I think I'd better evade joining new games for some time, to make sure flow of dominions3 for me is within the borders I can afford.
So I'm sorry, I have to retire here.

[Deadnature]

Yomi please

[ghoul31]

Helheim

[Debaser8]

Kailasa

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Sorry I staled. I was out of town unexpectedly. I hope not to do it again!

[jimbojones1971]

These things happen to me too. Pretty much just did, in fact, for Tengugeddon (except there I was stuck in a work meeting that just ... would ... not ... end!!!! gah!!!).

[rotarr]

Looks like I'm the first one out. Was fun while it lasted, but when you're stuck in a corner with 2 nations determined to rush you it's kinda hard to survive. Poison archers are also pretty bad against regenerating demons with high defense unfortunately. I did quite enjoy your hilarious diplomacy though, earcaraxe. Let's hope I did enough damage to you in the long run ;)

Good luck to the rest of you.

[earcaraxe]

thanks for participating!

i also laughed a lot about "And the barbarians being us, I suppose?" reaction :D it was a lot of fun.

and I agree that the starting places got quite inhomogenous.

hope to meet u next time!

[Debaser8]

Kailasa is:

Paying 10 nature gems for boots of the messenger or if none are available paying 10 nature gems for birch boots

Paying 12 pearls and 5 earth gems for a shadow or a fire brand or if none are available a demon whip

[Deadnature]

I need 24hours added to the clock. Sorry, no time to explain!

Thanks!

[earcaraxe]

u know u have already sent ur turn in? we are waiting only for kailasa now. (i also wonder why he waits for the last minute).

u want the extension now, or for the next turn?

[earcaraxe]

i see now.

hosting postponed by 24 hrs.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

I think I will need an extension on Saturday (day after tomorrow). Probably +12 hours is enough, though +24 would be safer.

Thanks!

[earcaraxe]

i ahve already extended by 24 for deadnature. u mean u need an additional +24 (so next turns hosting interval should go up to 72 hrs)?

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Sorry, no. If the current interval is 48 hours then that's ok.

[earcaraxe]

posting hostponed by 12 hrs. or something like that. :)

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Well, Im done for. I've got nobody left, so Im going AI.

Thanks a lot everyone! I had fun! Congrats to Agartha for taking me out!

Best,
BTBG

[Tiavals]

Well, that certainly was a depressingly bad battle. I had forgotten to supply my mages to with gems so they didn't cast Rain and so on.

Rarely have a I seen such a one sided slaughter.

[jimbojones1971]

Seems like the shakeout is starting already. First Sauro, now Caelum - who is next I wonder?

[Debaser8]

Definitely me. Kailasa

[earcaraxe]

hosting postponed by 48 hrs.

[jimbojones1971]

Apologies for stuffing up and staling that turn - not sure what went wrong there. Will try to avoid repeats.

[jimbojones1971]

Can I play Ermor in the Second War of Loemendor?

[earcaraxe]

absolutely.

[Tiavals]

I could use a postponement of 24 hours to be safe.

[earcaraxe]

postponed.

[jimbojones1971]

absolutely.

Fear my hordes of easily banished and feeble undead cavalry! Mwahaha!

[earcaraxe]

for some reason llamaserver made me believe the hosting got postponed, but it didnt. it was the servers fault in some meaning. i rollbacked. please everyone read the rollback advices on llamaserver, per "fist war of loemendor", per admin options, per rollback.

[earcaraxe]

we made a rollback, so act occording to llamas instructions:

"This will cause the game to return to the previous turn.

Note that I generally recommend not doing this. The main reason for this is the fact that players have already seen the current turn, and so they know what would happen given the set of moves they used last time. Hence, consciously or not, they are very likely to use this information to change their actions next time they submit a turn. Even assuming none of the players' actions are affected, there will always be a suspicion in the mind of the other players if battles turn out significantly differently. Therefore just in the interest of having the game feel completely fair, I think rollbacks are a bad idea.

A further reason is a difficulty with game file confusion. Imagine turn 10 has just come out, and someone starts to play the turn. Then the game is rolled back to turn 9, and processed again to make a new turn 10. Unless players delete the 2h file they produced from the original turn 10, Dominions will not know to ignore it and may get seriously confused. This can cause a lot of madness, e.g. soldiers becoming commanders and gaining magic paths, and so on. So if you do do a rollback, make sure to remind players to delete their 2h files.

Having said that, there are situations where rollbacks are called for, which is why I've included the option here.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played)."

[Tiavals]

Welp, I'm doomed. Nice knowing you. Guess it's Agartha's victory, unless someone has a very mighty ace up their sleeve.

[earcaraxe]

I think i could put up a fight, and could even beat agarthas huge, main army on the eastern front, but in the end i dont see much of a chance, they have just too many provinces and gems, and im still fighting ulm too (altho it got to the point where it is quite one-sided, but still has a lot of provinces.), while having about half as much resources as the the one-eyeds.

when i got close enough to agartha to finally fight him, their terriory and gold/gem income lead was already huge.

If we all agree, then we can declare agartha and sziro the winner. very nicely played. a very good diplomat, and a careful strategist. and it was his very first MP game!

altho i consider it an important part of the story, the he was tremendously helped by:

-extremely imbalanced placement (as the only nation in the whole middle island, he had 27 provinces to expand to, while at least two other nations (me (lanka), sauro, and perhaps niefel had about 7-8),
-being the only "water" nation. (this was a good combo with the island)
-and having passive/docile neighbors.


I think Tiavals-TC made a mistake by handling Yomi the way he handled it, and had his forces nailed to yomis cap for much of the endgame, for too long. otherwise played very solid, and he is very cool guy too!

I was surprised about Jimbo missing a chance attacking agartha when he got into a war with caelum, or better yet, not forming an alliance with caelum and attacking agartha right after the expansion phase. jimbo is an otherwise cunning strategist, and bonus points for playing ea ermor! (for some reason not a popular choice)

thank u all for participating!

[jimbojones1971]

I've made some comments on the other forum, but the summary is:
1) I am a muppet;
2) Well played Sziro; and
3) Let's get the Second War of Loemendor (middle age) up and running :-)

[Tiavals]

I tried to think of reasonable ways to deal with Yomi, but I couldn't think of anything. I suppose I should have piled everything there and attack immediately, but I feared the attack would fail(as most of my attacks against him did) and he would prance upon my lands afterwards.

Besides, most of the garrison sieging the Yomi capital was composed of fairly useless guys, my mages were researaching nearby and so on.

In any case, I'm definitely joining in the middle game, hope everyone from this game does so too. :)

And congrats to Sziro.

You could change the topic's name so that all the world can see who won, and post on the hall of victors.