Urraparrand EA - Newbie-Intermediate 10/10 Started

[Sluagh]

Map: Urraparrand
Era: EA
Hosting: Llamaserver, 24h until turn 20, 36h until turn 30, decide from there.
Mods: CBM 1.94
Players: 10
Settings: Defaults

Trades are binding, all other agreements are not.

Roleplaying-inspired messages will result in chocolate muffins!

Here's the game post on Llamaserver:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Urraparrand

If you have any questions, needs, etc. please send them to me at
True.Hmeister@yahoo.ca

Sluagh: R'lyeh
Ragnarok-X: Atlantis
Jolly Roger: Formoria
Villery: Caelum
Tiavals: Abysia
Maliken: T'ien Ch'i
YellowCactus: Niefelheim
HoleyDooley: Helheim
sansanjuan: Mictlan
statttis: Pangaea

[Ragnarok-X]

I would like to join as Yomi.

[Sluagh]

Feel free to send in your pretender.
And welcome!

[Jolly Roger]

Formoria for me.

Thanks for setting up the game.

Regards, Klaus

[Sluagh]

Welcome!

[Villery]

I'm game for Caelum.

[Sluagh]

Hello! Glad to see more people trailing in. :p

[Tiavals]

I was hesitant to join since it says Newbie, but if Ragnarok-X and Jolly Roger are joining, then I'm surely a newbie as well. :)

Abysia please.

[Ragnarok-X]

Eh, i didnt really read that.
What is considered a newbie to you Sluagh.
I have about 10 to 15 games in, though never in a winning position or won.
If oyu want, i withdraw, no problem.

[Sluagh]

Hrm. That's tough.

Basically this is my first MP game, so I was hoping to grab folks around that area of experience. At this point though, I'd rather just get a game under way.

I'm going to change this to a newbie-intermediate game unless anyone here has any huge objections.

[Maliken]

I would like to join as Ulm, this would be my 4th game but I haven't come close to winning yet.

[Sluagh]

Welcome aboard!

[Maliken]

Can I change my nation to Tien Chi? I can't come up with a good pretender for Ulm.

[Sluagh]

Done.

[YellowCactus]

Sign me up for Niefelheim. In my mind, I'm a great player...but since I've never won a MP game, Nwebie-Intermediate games are where I'll dwell!
Thanks!

[HoleyDooley]

Helheim thx.

[Sluagh]

While we're waiting, I'd just like to make sure that everyone's aware of some of the strategy making/breaking changes that come with CMB 1.94.

I did some testing last night, and found that among many other unit/item changes, Dwarven Hammers are now unique. I recommend that everyone unfamiliar with the mod runs a few test runs with it to make sure that their builds will actually still work in practice.

[Ragnarok-X]

You know, i would like to change my nation to Atlantis. We cant have only one UW nation. ok ?

[Sluagh]

You sly devil you. I was hoping someone would go UW!

Done!

[sansanjuan]

Mictlan please.
ssj

[statttis]

I would like to join as Pangaea.

[Sluagh]

And we're full! Please send your pretenders to the Llamaserver email bot (there should be instructions somewhere,) and look at the link on the first page to see how close we are to starting.

I'll give folks 24 hours maximum to upload pretenders before their spot in the game is taken.

[YellowCactus]

Usually it takes a bit more then 24 hours to get everybody together.

[Sluagh]

Usually it takes a bit more then 24 hours to get everybody together.

Thanks for the info! It's my first time playing/hosting a game online, so I'm still figuring out the details.

[YellowCactus]

Thanks for hosting!

[Sluagh]

Does anyone object to me starting the game as soon as Atlantis clicks in?

[sansanjuan]

Sounds good to me. That's pretty typical if I recall.
-ssj

[Ragnarok-X]

Will submit in the next hour

[Sluagh]

Hehehe, so apparently the game starts automatically once all pretenders are in, and doesn't accept edits to your god design afterwards. C'est la vie! :P

[Ragnarok-X]

Yo Villery, i cant send you a PM.

Lets be friends. I would like to draw a border. Basicly, the river would be the border. Do you agree ?

[Villery]

Yo Villery, i cant send you a PM.

Lets be friends. I would like to draw a border. Basicly, the river would be the border. Do you agree ?

Well that's just silly that the default is set to no PMs. Fixed now and PM sent to ya

[Ragnarok-X]

So. Atlantis is looking for 5 to 10 Astral Pearls. Anyone up for it ?

[Jolly Roger]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on a trip to the beautiful city of Dresden from Thursday to Saturday evening. Gonna have no internet access until Sunday
morning ( GMT +1).

A break for this period would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Klaus

[sansanjuan]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on a trip to the beautiful city of Dresden from Thursday to Saturday evening. Gonna have no internet access until Sunday
morning ( GMT +1).

A break for this period would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Klaus

Enjoy.
-ssj

[Villery]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on a trip to the beautiful city of Dresden from Thursday to Saturday evening. Gonna have no internet access until Sunday
morning ( GMT +1).

A break for this period would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Klaus

Great city, have fun. I wouldn't mind a pause for that duration.

[Ragnarok-X]

Maliken, please enable PM. I cant contact you.

[Maliken]

PM's enabled now.

[Sluagh]

Enjoy your trip; I'll pause the game once everyone has submitted turn 10.

Edit: Must chastise Jolly Roger for assuming my (and everyone else's) gender :P

[Jolly Roger]

Sorry !

I´ve sent another PM, assuming the wrong gender !:doh:

Please forgive me !:bow:

I´ll be back on Sarurday evening and gonna play my next turn on Sunday.:fight:

Thanks, Klaus

[Sluagh]

Alright, so I've set the deadline to 9999999999 hours. If I'm right, this should pause the game until the next time JR (Fomoria) submits their turn.

If I'm wrong please speak up before I fail at admin-ing :P

[YellowCactus]

You are doing a fine job!

[Ragnarok-X]

Im forced to warn the nations of the world from diploing with the mad ruler of Ryleh. On one turn he declares peace and only a SINGLE turn later he declares war. wtf ?

Funny ****. You know what you are getting into.

[Sluagh]

I fear the ruler of Atlantis is correct, for our Astral Seers have been given the following command by FATE itself:

"Bollocks the treaty."

I hope that the fine rulers of the Island world can understand how diplomatic relations differ between our two climes, and do not take this as an omen for our own dealings.

[Ragnarok-X]

I think thats a funny excuse considering all the fluff you send in the "peace" message, ending with "there shall be peace". But your rules.
Just so ppl are aware of the grotesque treachery. Now, on with the game.

[Sluagh]

As we approach turn 30, I think we should all weigh on on how we feel about notching the deadline forward.

How's 48 hours sound to everyone?

[HoleyDooley]

Okay by me.

[sansanjuan]

48 is fine.
ssj

[Tiavals]

Sure.

[Villery]

Sounds good.

[YellowCactus]

Uh-hu

[Sluagh]

Does anyone know of a way to remove dead nations from the llamaserver game list?

[YellowCactus]

I'm not quite dead yet...

[Sluagh]

Oh hell. I think I must have just admin failed then. I thought I saw the Niefelheim doom message a couple turns ago, and forced a turn. Sorry!

[YellowCactus]

Monty Python Bring out Your Dead

Watch it on youtube, kids....

[sansanjuan]

Monty Python Bring out Your Dead

Watch it on youtube, kids....

Classic. ;) I'm 51 so I saw it first run...
-ssj

[sansanjuan]

S,
Could you disable quick host for this turn (only). At work and need to fix things. Thanks.
ssj

[Sluagh]

Done. Send me a message when you're ready.

[Ragnarok-X]

Sluagh, you are the admin of this game. You should notice when players begin to stall and other players scavenge their empire. Set the game to pause a find a sub for Pan or the game is over or find out if Pan is going to be back in a reasonable amount of time. Last 3 turns were stalled - played - stalled.

[sansanjuan]

Sluagh, you are the admin of this game. You should notice when players begin to stall and other players scavenge their empire. Set the game to pause a find a sub for Pan or the game is over or find out if Pan is going to be back in a reasonable amount of time. Last 3 turns were stalled - played - stalled.

Agreed. 2 out of 3 turns with no activity as the hosting looms calls for a hold. Managing castles full of hoards of nekked, starving (but remarkably healthy) women need a steady hand.
-ssj

[Sluagh]

Right, I wasn't aware that there was a stall, apologies. Where does it tell you when a player stalls?

[Ragnarok-X]

on llamaserver, check the game. Then check admin options, then stalling data.

for your convience.

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Urraparrand&action=showstales

[sansanjuan]

Slaugh
When you post for a sub I can arrange a siege free start if that helps sell the spot. That worked well in the last game where this happened.
ssj

[Sluagh]

The post is up, thanks ssj, that probably will help XD. Thanks also to Rag for pointing out the stalling data, which I now have permanently open on my browser :P

[Sluagh]

Just to make sure, is there anything else that should be done to lure in a substitute besides posting in the sticky thread?

[sansanjuan]

Yup. Open a new thread in this (multiplayer and aar) section with a title like "sub needed for Pan in urrapp... " and briefly explain the need and situation. There are some examples in the last few days. Also there are other forums to post on (don't have the links with me)
ssj

[Sluagh]

Thread is up, and I've included some of the pertinent details relevant to the position. If I'm missing something, or including too much (I think I used the phrase 'bulwark against the global destruction of the Mictlan Empire) let me know.

Unlike your elected officials, Sluagh cares. You can put your faith in Sluagh... Give Sluagh your soul!

[sansanjuan]

Well done. Note I am out nov 12, 13,14 chaperoning 12 year olds. Gawd... what was I thinking! :doh:
Hope that's not too long a delay.
ssj

[Sluagh]

That's fine, have fun :P

[HoleyDooley]

Obviously Slaugh has never chaperoned 12 years olds!!!!

Have fun!!!!!!

I am wondering what part of chaperoning 12 years olds she didn't understand?

[sansanjuan]

Obviously Slaugh has never chaperoned 12 years olds!!!!

Have fun!!!!!!

I am wondering what part of chaperoning 12 years olds she didn't understand?

Ha! Four hours on a school bus of screaming hyperkinetic children playing pop music... where all the girls love Justin Bieber and the boys hate Justin Bieber (but try to look just like him). I think Dante would add another layer of hell to the Inferno if he only knew..
ssj

[HoleyDooley]

lol....

[sansanjuan]

Not looking good for a sub. There are a couple options. None great.

1. Pan AI
2 Pan "deadzone" ( leave as a Pan as staling player but their provs are off limits)
3. ?
4. Keep looking
-ssj

[HoleyDooley]

Well its hardly fair to the work you have done in bringing Pan to his knees to make it a dead zone.

I say turn him AI and go on for what promises to be a very short rest of the game.

[Ragnarok-X]

Hm. I think we can agree that the game can continue now. I would Pan to AI and ask that maye sans doesnt play it too agressive on Pan.

[HoleyDooley]

Yup, that will slow sans down a lot.

He can then commit 99% of his 49 provinces against my 9 and after I am finished go and finish Pan of bringing his total province count to 61 with the next closest at 24.....lol. Actually its more like 8 provinces for me as rain of toads has closed down my capital.

How do I know he can commit 99% of his forces against me, because I KNOW I am the only non AI player fighting him.

Then once I and Pan are conquered, I estimate, 10 turns max, he can pick off any single nation he likes.

Meanwhile you guys enjoy your petty fights whilst they last, which won't be too long after my nation is conquered.

Oh and with Pan AI, who is to say it doesn't decide to send its chaff against another player other than Sans....had that happen in another game recently. That will make his forth coming victory even swifter.

I have already promised Sans I will fight him to the end, as I always do (unlike some), but just before my death I'll bequeath him my gems and magic items....which includes, both Hammers, Sickle Crop, Konhells Tome, Tome of Gia, Chalice and many other delights.

[Sluagh]

Okay, I have no problem setting Pan to AI, but I'm relatively far removed from the struggle so I've been hesitating to weigh in directly.

Is anyone really really against this, to the point where it would ruin their gaming experience?

[sansanjuan]

....which includes, both Hammers, Sickle Crop, Konhells Tome, Tome of Gia, Chalice and many other delights


Playing Dom3 with HD is like going to the toy store to pick up Christmas presents for the kids.... And realizing.... Everything's gone! :shock:

ssj

[HoleyDooley]

Yeah my big stumbling block in trying to be 1/2 decent in Dom 3 is overcoming my natural tendency to like SC's and Artifacts. I have never been into spell casting that much.

I am still not there yet, but getting better.

[Tiavals]

Heh, personally I fear SCs and artifacts the most. I have little idea how to counter them usually. Which is why I completely detest Helheim and their easy forging and super research.

[Sluagh]

Ugh, sorry for the delay. If no-one raises an objection within around 15 hours, I'm going to set Pan as AI and get this show on the road.

[sansanjuan]

Unsure if will let you because of your key. Usually hosts post for a "please set someone AI" volunteer.
-ssj

[Sluagh]

We're back online.

[Ragnarok-X]

Wow, Sluagh is one lucky bum !

His S2 won magic duel on defense versus my 4 S1s.
Still, i won the battle. LOL !

[sansanjuan]

Please bump the time 30 hrs. Still on "trip".
ssj

[sansanjuan]

Please bump the time 30 hrs. Still on "trip".
ssj

Arrrrrg

[Ragnarok-X]

I assume you stalled. If so, sorry. Shouldnt be a too much of a problem though. But i feel your pain. I hate to stall myself, BIG TIME.

[Sluagh]

I stalled myself San, couldn't get my internet working for 12 hours or so.

[Sluagh]

I need to delay the next turn until after the weekend, as I'm going on a bike ride to a friend's cottage.

[Sluagh]

Good to go.

[sansanjuan]

Hm. I think we can agree that the game can continue now. I would Pan to AI and ask that maye sans doesnt play it too agressive on Pan.


...sans doesnt play it too agressive on Pan
As my list of dead thugs in the HoF will attest to... this hasn't been an issue. :hurt: Hope no scouts have witnessed Mictlan's feeble attempts to tame the Panish hoards. <sigh>...Plan "B".

Helheim has played extremely well with his uber-artifact army and raiding mitigation system. Hats off to clever and ballsy tactics! If I learn nothing else this game it is how freakishly tough blessed/lucked Helhirdings are.
ssj

[HoleyDooley]

Yeah San, we have had a couple of classic and close fought battles. ultimately I'll go down, already my empire is a shambles, but the fights have been epic.

Damn, I think I have won 2 battles against your thugs with just a single PD, talk about luck on an epic scale!

[sansanjuan]

Yeah San, we have had a couple of classic and close fought battles. ultimately I'll go down, already my empire is a shambles, but the fights have been epic.

Damn, I think I have won 2 battles against your thugs with just a single PD, talk about luck on an epic scale!

Yes. I wept.
Gargoyles beating on phantasmal warriors with snake bladder sticks until auto-rout. Of course they are mindless. Just like their tactician. :smirk:
ssj

[HoleyDooley]

Oh San...I have many words to describe you...but mindless isn't one of them.:happy:

Son of a gun!!!!!!:happy:

[Sluagh]

Villery, are you still around? You stalled last turn.

[Ragnarok-X]

Only 2 days ago i did talk to Villery. If he stalled, it must have been an accident, one-time thing.

[Villery]

Aye, lost track of time and thought I had until later that night. Hopefully won't happen again!

[Ragnarok-X]

Just for the record, is anyone not yet at war with Miclan OR had their nap be canceled ?

With Ryleh on the ground and Fomoria playing dandy, lets all stomp Miclan :)

[Sluagh]

Sort of counting your chickens before they hatch, but foresight was never a quality your barbaric species held dear. The offer of peace to fight our greater foe still stands, cretin, though you have refused for many years throughout your vile conquest.

[Ragnarok-X]

Your forts and ressources belong to Atlantis now, your god imprisoned in the void. Maybe you consider accepting and breaking treaties more carefully next time.

Anyways, would be cool if some other players could post their opinion.
According to my intel, Miclan is now raiding Caelum who unfortunally was unable to finish Aby on time. So at the very least, Aby and Caelum would have to to forfeit their differences as well.

Fomoria declared war on me 3 turns ago, didnt seem to be too smart judging by the outlash that followed.

Basicly, i have a lot of ressources i could throw at Miclan and i wager that Fomoria, if he wishes, could rally some forces too. TC would obviously be the leader. I dont know how bad it looks for Caelum and Aby.



So ppl, post now or throw away your divine right under the dominion of Miclan.

[Tiavals]

Abysia stands with Mictlan.

[Ragnarok-X]

Its always fun to play the game.
Just like 2 posts back, Sluagh / Ryleh says he is open for a peace to beat on Miclan. I PM him, saying peace is a go, checking llama to make sure his turn isnt in yet.


Surprise, new turn comes in he attacks me and sieges a fort, in vain as usual.

Sluagh, honestly. Apart from the fact that i gave you an awesome slapping, what the hell is up with your and your diplomacy ?

[Sluagh]

I just don't like you. :)

[Ragnarok-X]

Oh, i understand your position.
You break a treaty and backstab me hard - i repel your assault, take your forts, kill your heroes and exile your god.
Then you offer peace, only to backstab again. Where do you think this is heading for you ?

Next turn i break free and kill your 950 freespawn and 4 aboleth, your winter wolves wont do you any good this late into the game. You are wasting your ressources when they could be used for a "greater" goal lol.

Its so frustating to experience this.

[Jolly Roger]

Hello Sluagh.

I´ll be on vacation from Wednesday 19th until Saturday 22nd.
Can play the next turn on the 22nd.
Would be much appreciated if you could postpone the upcoming turn until I´m back.

Thanks, Klaus

[Sluagh]

postponed. Enjoy!

[Sluagh]

Its always fun to play the game.
Just like 2 posts back, Sluagh / Ryleh says he is open for a peace to beat on Miclan. I PM him, saying peace is a go, checking llama to make sure his turn isnt in yet.


Surprise, new turn comes in he attacks me and sieges a fort, in vain as usual.

Sluagh, honestly. Apart from the fact that i gave you an awesome slapping, what the hell is up with your and your diplomacy ?

This is a game, and you're taking it far too seriously. I don't mind that you're a better player than I am--I've already admitted that this is my first game. What makes you unpleasant to play with is your attitude, inability to win gracefully, and you misgendering me.

[Ragnarok-X]

Perhaps all this is due to the fact that you agree to non agression pact and then break it without shame on two fronts just a single turn after agreeing. Grace ? Who knows.

[Villery]

Probably flawed logic on my part letting Abyssia go to prematurely war Mictlan, but the allure of SC battles was too great. Haven't had any fights yet, so I figure I need the practice at least. If only those pesky gargoyles would hold still though.

TC and Fomoria haven't done much this game, I'd be surprised if you are able to rally them for this fellowship Rag. But best of luck to you, Mictlan's about to finish off Helheim and now would be a good time to join the fun.

[Ragnarok-X]

You got Astral. Forge a Smasher and cloud trapeze or teleport in, that happens before normal movement. And voila, Gargyole down, equipment salvaged !

[sansanjuan]

Hello Sluagh.

I´ll be on vacation from Wednesday 19th until Saturday 22nd.
Can play the next turn on the 22nd.
Would be much appreciated if you could postpone the upcoming turn until I´m back.

Thanks, Klaus

Slaugh,

Noticed the game delay did not take for JR

Game: Urraparrand
Turn number 56
Next turn due: 15:45 GMT on Friday December 21st

-ssj

[Sluagh]

Hey peeps, I have to catsit for the next week or so, but I'll be starting the game back up around the 31st if that's cool with everyone.

[Ragnarok-X]

Ill be on vacation from 2th to 12th.

[sansanjuan]

Hey peeps, I have to catsit for the next week or so, but I'll be starting the game back up around the 31st if that's cool with everyone.

That's fine by me. We can pause again for Ragx on the 2nd. Are you going to reset the turn due clock then?
Thanks
ssj

[Sluagh]

Starting up again.

[Sluagh]

Oh hell, I had quickhost turned off and thought that would keep people from stalling when I set back the time. Should I roll it back Caelum/Tien?

[Ragnarok-X]

Rollback is no good idea. Unless you know what you are getting yourself into, it will very likely kill the game. Considering my upcoming absence (off in 1 day until the 13th of January), i suppose we could very well end the game and declare Miclan the winner, unless someone objects.

[sansanjuan]

Mictlan has been very very lucky this game. Great sites, events, and staunch allies.
ssj

[Ragnarok-X]

Awww. After checking the latest turn, i have to say i regret the fact that the game has been broken. I would love to give Ryleh another spanking right there.

I hope TC, Caelum and Fomoria post their point of view on current matters.

[Jolly Roger]

We should consider Mictlan the winner of this campaign.

[HoleyDooley]

I have to say.."I told you so" Jolly.

I predicted a Mictlan win about 20 + turns ago.

Absolutely no point in having graphs on if people are not going to read, understand and act on them.

Oh and grats on the win san, well played.

[Sluagh]

Congratulations! I'm sorry that I messed up; I really didn't expect to become employed full time any time soon XD

I'll leave the game open for a couple days in case people want to object.

[Tiavals]

I should say it'd be even harder to stop a runaway leader without the graphs. :)

Congratulations sansanjuan, if you are deemed the winner, it's impossible for me to know the real situation in the world after being ground to pulp for so long.

[sansanjuan]

Slaugh,
Are we stopping the bus? Just in case... I sent a hasty turn in as I saw the game is still active.
-ssj

[Sluagh]

Yeah, I'm going to cut the game. Thanks to most of you for an awesome first game experience :)