Second War of Loemendor, game underway

[earcaraxe]

this is a cross-post from invision. http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1151

"The continent has been ruled long by the ancient people of agarthans, their Great Mother God, and world-famous general Sziro. *insert some apocaliptic, civilization-erasing chain of events here* And after the fall of the great empire, a new era has dawned, pretender gods have arisen to lead their followers into the Second Holy War of Loemendor, and make the world burn once more!"


map: land of loemendor (the no specials version)
era: middle
hosting: llamaserver, 24 hrs from start, then increase at *consensus*. tolerance to RL, probably turning quickhost off eventually.
mods: CBM 1.94
HOF: 15
players: 11
only 1 water nation

map here: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//showthread.php?t=33602

this is intended to be a faster paced game. if u tend to be the last person sending ur turns in or if u have the tendency to nearly always send ur turns in just before the deadline, please join other games instead.

anyone wanna join this game must send his pretender in WITHIN 12 HOURS of posting the application here to make his application valid. (to avoid dragging the start out for weeks as happened before).

if u join this game please keep fighting if u have a chance to win, dont quit too early. on the other hand we wont spend too much time looking for subs, if u are in a hopeless situation, just turn the AI on.


We are waiting for competent players with some experience.

I plan to make a third war of loemendor in the future, with late era. Anyone wanna join the next one in the series will have privilege to select his previous nation if he wants to.

good luck and much fun to everyone!

(* denotes unsent pretenders)

Earcaraxe: Abysia
Jimbojones: Ermor
Excist: Agartha
Tiavals: T'ien C'hi
Teraswaerto: Mictlan
Holey Dooley: Pangaea
Bullock: R'lyeh
Psisoldier: Vanheim
Starcryst: Ulm
Sunray_be: Machaka
Lumix19: Pythium

[Tiavals]

Has Sziro usurped my Tien'chi or is there a typo there? :)

[Teraswaerto]

I'd like to join as Mictlan.

[HoleyDooley]

Pan thanks.

[earcaraxe]

Has Sziro usurped my Tien'chi or is there a typo there? :)

hi! u r right, u have priority for TC, they are urs if u want.
It was just i wasnt 100% sure u will join us this time (im glad u did), and sziro said he has only experience in the middle era with TC, so i wrote him in with them.

[parone]

dont do it hooley!!! your still young

[Tiavals]

Has Sziro usurped my Tien'chi or is there a typo there? :)

hi! u r right, u have priority for TC, they are urs if u want.
It was just i wasnt 100% sure u will join us this time (im glad u did), and sziro said he has only experience in the middle era with TC, so i wrote him in with them.

Well, I can take another nation if Sziro wants them, so he should speak up before we start.

[earcaraxe]

tc is all urs. he said he takes marignon or agartha instead.

[Bullock]

i'd like to play Ryleh.

[Lumix19]

Could I get Pythium please?

[PsiSoldier]

I might be interested in this, Perhaps Vanhiem Will upload pretender tomorrow.. Gotta sleep now.

[starcryst]

I'll take a shot at Ulm.

[sunray_be]

Hi there,
If you have an open spot in your party, I'll take Machaka.
I had a large experience with Dom 1 & 2, but this is my 2d MP on Dom 3 (and I never used llamaserver before).
Hope that I'll be able to rise to the challenge !
cheers

[earcaraxe]

we are full! hello everyone! Most of u might now, that its a part of a series of games. The first one was one by Sziro, commanding the agarthan troops. We gonna see, which nation herits the place of the now-extinct, old agarthan kingdom.

there was intense conspiring, diplomacy and collaboration in the first war, i hope this continue here.

i wish much fun to everyone, let slip the dogs of war!

[jimbojones1971]

Ermor's pretender is in and raring to go :-)

[earcaraxe]

we are waiting only for sziro-marignon. he asked for a 24 hour delay, starting now.

[earcaraxe]

Sziro ha given up his throne, and said he will skip this age, perhaps returning for the late era. now we have an open spot, for the quickest player.

[earcaraxe]

bump.

[Excist]

I suppose I could sub in for Sziro for the Middle Age and continue the Agartha regime until he returns in the Late Age.

I'll upload Pretender today.

[sunray_be]

How to deal with diplomacy here ? Am I supposed to use the internal mail of the game, or may I contact the other players by email (then could we publish all email addresses somewhere ?). TIA

[earcaraxe]

anything u find convenient. the custom is mostly PMs in forum, or ingame messages. very rarely email, IRC.

[jimbojones1971]

How to deal with diplomacy here ? Am I supposed to use the internal mail of the game, or may I contact the other players by email (then could we publish all email addresses somewhere ?). TIA

Messages via this boards PM system are the best, although I also use in game messages for things I think of while I am actually doing the turn.

The in game PM for your account is not automatically activated, so make sure you turn it on! :-)

[sunray_be]

Sorry guys but I've a problem: the last turn does not work and I have an error msg "Dominions version is too old, myversion 327 fileversion328 nation 35" (i.e. Machaka).
But the latest version of the game is 3.27 !!! :confused:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwinter/DOM3/DOM3_page.html
So how could the server use a 3.28 version ?
Do you have the same problem ?
TIA

[Bullock]

FYI

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...611#post814611

[earcaraxe]

3.28 is the newest patch.

[sunray_be]

3.28 is the newest patch.

Oops, I missed it yesterday... will check illwinter.com asap
:doh::doh::doh:

[jimbojones1971]

I am struggling to apply the patch, may stale this turn - apologies in advance. (Issue with getting admin access on my current PC.)

[jimbojones1971]

Issue resolved, yay!

[earcaraxe]

glad to hear! i didnt get ur PM in time.

[Excist]

I think I'm going to need an extra day to get my turn in.

[Tiavals]

Seems like my Tien'chi chose a poor place for a capital. An ancient presence turned all 30,000 people into plants, crippling my income. Most annoying.

[HoleyDooley]

That event just sucks big time.

Why it hasn't been removed by the devs is beyond comprehension.

[Bullock]

Wow what a crap events on the cap ... that sucks hard. Sry for you dude.

[Lumix19]

Sorry I staled everyone, I promise it won't happen again.

[Tiavals]

Well, I have some pretty sweet magic sites to compensate, which will be more valuable late game, but this early the loss of money is certainly painful. :)

Maybe I should attack someone to get more money...

[jimbojones1971]

Seems like my Tien'chi chose a poor place for a capital. An ancient presence turned all 30,000 people into plants, crippling my income. Most annoying.

Wow, I didn't even know this was possible! While this sucks for you, it is just one more example of the amazing depth and variety of this game :-)

[HoleyDooley]

Sorry I staled everyone, I promise it won't happen again.


Two Hail Marys and one Our Father penance if you please....to my pretnder of course...the one true God!

[jimbojones1971]

Sorry I staled everyone, I promise it won't happen again.


Two Hail Marys and one Our Father penance if you please....to my pretnder of course...the one true God!

Given I'm playing the fantasy Romans, does this mean I get to have one of my centurions make your god carry a humongous great wooden cross around your conquered capital city and then nail him to it? Because that would totally rock :-)

You know, it is actually possible that Dominions actually has a random event to cover this too ....

[HoleyDooley]

Jimbo, I would gladly do that if you captured my capital. Since I have no idea where you are, it means you are on the other side of the known world.

Good luck in owning my capital..until then, carry your own bloody cross!

[krpeters]

The subject line on this thread says you're still recruiting... I'm guessing that's innacurate.

[jimbojones1971]

The subject line on this thread says you're still recruiting... I'm guessing that's innacurate.

Yeah, the game is up to turn 14 now - sorry dude. Good luck finding a game!

[Bullock]

Also there is Agartha in the game and not in the player list.

[earcaraxe]

psisoldier, whats up with u? u have staled 2 times already and this turn we are waiting only for u.

[Bullock]

He has nothing left, you can force the turn.

[jimbojones1971]

Yeah, Vanheim has one fort, no provinces, and very very few units.

If Psisoldier is too lazy to go AI himself, maybe we can get a volunteer to do it for him?

[jimbojones1971]

I am thinking that, after we finish this cycle of games, we should do another cycle (again EA through to LA) using a wrap around map like Plain of Rusty nails.

This map is nice, but being in a corner as I am is both an advantage (fewer potential enemies), and a disadvantage (I really need to punch one particular guy to get out of the corner, whereas in a wrap around I would have had more options).

I am greatly enjoying this game, I have to say, even as I look into the face of impending doom :-)

[Excist]

Just got home a little while ago and I have a holiday party tomorrow. Is it possible to throw 12 hours onto the turn timer so I don't have to rush the turn?

Thanks

[earcaraxe]

excist: sure, hosting postponed by 12 hrs.

[earcaraxe]

i would like to repeat a part of a sentence from the original post:

"if u tend to be the last person sending ur turns in or if u have the tendency to nearly always send ur turns in just before the deadline, please join other games instead. "

this is mostly for jimbojones. i see that in the majority of the turns so far u were the last one sending in, mostly just before resoultion.

do u think u can change that? i have an idea, i hope it helps: when u are the last one to send in, what about waiting for the turn (5 minutes at most), and writing the new one immediately?

[starcryst]

Ulm's being attacked by 3 nations now, so I'm done in a handful of turns. I'll play this turn out and then going AI.

Nice job by Machaka and Mictlan. Gonna have to learn how to handle heavy bless nations before I do this again.

Was fun.

[jimbojones1971]

i would like to repeat a part of a sentence from the original post:

"if u tend to be the last person sending ur turns in or if u have the tendency to nearly always send ur turns in just before the deadline, please join other games instead. "

this is mostly for jimbojones. i see that in the majority of the turns so far u were the last one sending in, mostly just before resoultion.

do u think u can change that? i have an idea, i hope it helps: when u are the last one to send in, what about waiting for the turn (5 minutes at most), and writing the new one immediately?

Sorry about that. Will do my best to lift my game! :)

[Teraswaerto]

Are we going to have a break or no turn timer for a while over Christmas?

[Excist]

Internet problems here right now

[earcaraxe]

Internet problems here right now

im afraid i didnt see it in time. do u want me to extend the current turn?

[Excist]

I'm hoping that everything will be up and running when I get home from work today. I should know in about 7 hours.

[Excist]

Didn't Ulm say he was going AI? Did he forget to send in his turn file that says to go AI? 4 stales...

[jimbojones1971]

I wasn't clear if he was going AI, or if he meant he'd set up his scripting and was going to leave the nation to stale out (so that the combat scripting holds, and the AI doesn't do anything too dumb whilst under siege). I'm guessing he went with the latter?

Either we need to start force hosting when only Ulm is left, or we need to find a volunteer to set him AI.

[Teraswaerto]

Ulm will lose his last province next turn so no need for a volunteer.

[earcaraxe]

im gonna force the turn as soon as ulms is the only one missing.

[earcaraxe]

hosting postponed by 24 hrs.

[Bullock]

i will need an extension for this turn plz. And i think i wont be the only one : (less than 4hrs before hosting)

Abysia Waiting for 2h file
Agartha 2h file received
Ermor Waiting for 2h file
Machaka 2h file received
Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm Waiting for 2h file

Thanks

[earcaraxe]

sure, hosting postponed by 12 hrs. u can help me next time by stating the exact amount of time u would like the turn to be postponed by. (im absolutely sure that was not the grammatically correct word-order :D )




i will need an extension for this turn plz. And i think i wont be the only one : (less than 4hrs before hosting)

Abysia Waiting for 2h file
Agartha 2h file received
Ermor Waiting for 2h file
Machaka 2h file received
Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm Waiting for 2h file

Thanks

[Excist]

sure, hosting postponed by 12 hrs. u can help me next time by stating the exact amount of time u would like the turn to be postponed by. (im absolutely sure that was not the grammatically correct word-order :D )




Ironically, that is exactly the correct word order. The only problem being the spelling of 'you' was off by a couple of letters ;)

[jimbojones1971]

ooks like you might need to add another 12h to the clock, as R'yleh is still outstanding. Just a thought.

Game sure is getting interesting!

[earcaraxe]

yes, i have added 12 hrs already. i wonder what amount of time bullock thought he would need for his turn, i why he didnt ask for an exact amount.

[jimbojones1971]

yes, i have added 12 hrs already. i wonder what amount of time bullock thought he would need for his turn, i why he didnt ask for an exact amount.

Yes, makes it easier :-)

[Bullock]

I don't know how i managed to forget the main info of my post ;) i was indeed looking for 24h

[Bullock]

Well it seems that Ermor and me (ryleh) had an undeserved stall this turn.

[earcaraxe]

ooops. did u ask for extension? this time i didnt have the time to check the server to see if everyone's turn is in.

[Bullock]

no, when i say undeserved it's because we both had sent a turn. I think it's a game bug.

[jimbojones1971]

I suspect I may have just screwed up. Sounds like you got bitten though, Bullock - sorry to hear that :-(

BTW, will we be able to move to 48 hour turns soon? I'm back at work from Jan 3, so after that I would really appreciate the longer hosting interval.

[sunray_be]

BTW, will we be able to move to 48 hour turns soon? I'm back at work from Jan 3, so after that I would really appreciate the longer hosting interval.

I agree with Jimbo on that. I'll have some trouble to keep pace next week too.

[earcaraxe]

sure, ask for extensions when u think it time.

[Excist]

Speaking of which, going to need a 24h extension this turn - New Years stuffs.

[earcaraxe]

extended by 24 hrs.

[sunray_be]

I sent my turn 42 today but I'll be unable to play tommorow. May I ask a 24h extension for the next turn ?
TIA

[earcaraxe]

sure, postponed by 24.

[Excist]

I think he meant to let this turn 42 run on schedule and then add the 24 hours onto turn 43.

His T42 is already in.

[earcaraxe]

I think he meant to let this turn 42 run on schedule and then add the 24 hours onto turn 43.

His T42 is already in.

oh, u r right. this turn will host as normal then, im gonna undo the postponement.

so, to be clear, the current turn will host with approximately 12 hrs.

[Teraswaerto]

Yeah, so this is the turn he wanted the extension on.

[earcaraxe]

yes, gonna host it on saturday.

[jimbojones1971]

To describe my strategy in this game, i need to resort to analogy.

If the King of Stupid and Queen of Ineptitude had a child, and that child was then gifted by the evil fairy godmother with the twin boons of mild bad luck and extreme poor judgement - it wouldn't hold a candle to glorious incompetence that is my strategy.

I am contemplating summarizing this wisdom as sort of an anti-pattern, a guide to what NOT to do when playing MA Ermor. But that would imply I cared about others, which would constitute false and misleading advertising, and we can't have that now can we? :-)

[Lumix19]

To describe my strategy in this game, i need to resort to analogy.

If the King of Stupid and Queen of Ineptitude had a child, and that child was then gifted by the evil fairy godmother with the twin boons of mild bad luck and extreme poor judgement - it wouldn't hold a candle to glorious incompetence that is my strategy.

I am contemplating summarizing this wisdom as sort of an anti-pattern, a guide to what NOT to do when playing MA Ermor. But that would imply I cared about others, which would constitute false and misleading advertising, and we can't have that now can we? :-)

What's wrong? The graphs show you're doing pretty well: a good number of provinces, good income, and you're the second best at research. You're not as bad off as me, all I've got is research. :)

[jimbojones1971]

To describe my strategy in this game, i need to resort to analogy.

If the King of Stupid and Queen of Ineptitude had a child, and that child was then gifted by the evil fairy godmother with the twin boons of mild bad luck and extreme poor judgement - it wouldn't hold a candle to glorious incompetence that is my strategy.

I am contemplating summarizing this wisdom as sort of an anti-pattern, a guide to what NOT to do when playing MA Ermor. But that would imply I cared about others, which would constitute false and misleading advertising, and we can't have that now can we? :-)

What's wrong? The graphs show you're doing pretty well: a good number of provinces, good income, and you're the second best at research. You're not as bad off as me, all I've got is research. :)

I've had a lot of lucky breaks, for which I am very grateful. I guess I just I'm just amused at my inability to capitalise on them. It is a fun game, I have to say :-)

[Tiavals]

Tien'chi has up to 130 astral pearls for sale. Any amount can be purchased. Make your offer.

[Bullock]

130gold

[Tiavals]

Per each? ;)

[jimbojones1971]

I've sent you a PM with my offer. It is a bit more generous that Bullock's :-D

[Bullock]

why don't u make it public so we can bid ? :)

I'd like to propose more but i m broke.

[Tiavals]

Well, I'll make the price public for now.

I've got an offer of around 35 gold per pearl for all the 130 pearls, and it's from a politically friendly nation, so if there are any new offers, they have to be at least 40 gold per pearl for me to consider it.

[Excist]

I'm going to second the motion to move to a 48 hour schedule.

I've got a very multifronted war here, and 24 hours doesn't seem like enough time to reply back and forth between allies to make sure that we're not sending forces into each other. ;)

[jimbojones1971]

48 hours would be good for me too.

[earcaraxe]

hosting postponed by 24.

im waiting for the majoritys standpoint on the 48 hrs schedule. its ok for me.

[Teraswaerto]

I am able to do my turns within 24 hours but if 2 players already are voting for a longer schedule then I guess we should do that then.

[Tiavals]

24h and 48h are both okay.


Also, the pearls have been sold so no need for additional offers.

[sunray_be]

I am voting in favour of the 48h too.

[earcaraxe]

hosting changed to 48 hrs then. due to RL events, i need the extra 24 hrs from the schedule change.

[earcaraxe]

Guys! im terribly sorry, but i cant continue playing the game due to unexpected life events. im losing the girl i love, and i cant make myself do any turns nowadays. I guess its one of those situtations, when life takes precedence. I have PM-ed Bullock the admin password. Its been a great joy playing together with you, i hope we will have more fun together in the future, and i wish u all good luck!

[jimbojones1971]

Good luck with working through that, earcaraxe - it is not a fun situation to be in. I completely understand having to give up Dominions for a while.

Will we find a sub for your nation? I think it would be good, if we can.

[jimbojones1971]

CthulhuDreams has volunteered to pick up Abby for us.

[Lumix19]

Want to offer my appreciation to CthulhuDreams for kindly stepping in as Abysia.

[jimbojones1971]

Want to offer my appreciation to CthulhuDreams for kindly stepping in as Abysia.

I find the best way to show appreciation in Dom3 is to sack his capital and kill his pretender. Otherwise, how can he know you are taking this whole appreciation business seriously? :D

[Bullock]

All right i m the new admin, and CthulhuDreams is the new owner of abysia.

Thx jimbo for your awesome advert :)

[jimbojones1971]

Can we add +24h to give our new player time to get up to speed for his first turn?

[Bullock]

i did but he didn t seem to need it.

[Teraswaerto]

Extend by 24h please.

[Bullock]

Extend by 24h please.

done

[CthulhuDreams]

i did but he didn t seem to need it.

Cheers for that, it was a clusterfuffle at work but I squeezed out the turn on my lunch-break.

Also, anyone with any prior diplomatic agreements with Abysia, please PM me on the topic.

[Teraswaerto]

Another 24h extension if you could.

[jimbojones1971]

Hosting error. Joy! We going to push on, or redo the turn?

[sunray_be]

I confirm. Got a "stale turn" but I sent my turn yesterday and I received the usual acknowledgement, and I checked llamaserver and it received my turn indeed.
Of course, if everyone is affected in the same way, we could see that as a "lost" turn without great balance issue.
Cheers

[Teraswaerto]

It was a hosting error, so everyone got a stale. Let's just keep going.

[Bullock]

Let's keep going then. Rollback are quite buggy we d better avoid it.

[jimbojones1971]

Sweet. Thanks for confirming Bullock :)

[Bullock]

Well at this point i'm willing to concede the victory to Mictlan.
As soon as we have the unanimity on the subject he's the winner.

[HoleyDooley]

Dito.

[Tiavals]

I haven't been a contender for a long time so anything goes.

[Bullock]

I admit the game is becoming pointless but u r not supposed to leave like that Tiavals

[Tiavals]

I suppose it was rude of me to leave, but really, was there anything I could do? My capital has been sieged for over 10 turns and I can't break the siege since the units sieging it are too powerful, and I have barely enough income to pay for my units upkeep, and I have 4 non-capital mages that can do a total of 16 RP per turn. It is most disheartening. But I do apologize.

[Bullock]

Yeah u r right but next time if u have that many forts and prov left ask first on the forum.

Btw i wouldn't have look for a sub in this case indeed.

[sunray_be]

I unsuccessfully tried to contact Jimbo (Ermor) by mail. I tend to concede too, unless he has a last chance plan.

[Tiavals]

Yeah u r right but next time if u have that many forts and prov left ask first on the forum.

Btw i wouldn't have look for a sub in this case indeed.

Right. I guess I jumped to conclusions since it seemed the game was about to end.

[jimbojones1971]

Sorry, been buried under a mound of work.

I'd be keen to play a few more turns. To me, the question is as follows:
When Mictlan and Machaka go to war, will Machaka pose a strong threat or will he be overwhelmed quickly?

If Machaka can make a go of it, I think that he and I (we are now best buddies are smacking each other around on the battlefield's of southern Agartha / northern Ermor for a bit) together with the mighty aquatic tentacled might of R'yleh and the apparently unkillable Agartha could probably turn it into a fun end game.

Of course, if Mictlan does to Machaka what he has done to pretty much everyone else (e.g. they explode in short order), well then the game is pretty clearly over :-)

What do people think? I've got my turn in, I'd like to at least see what happens for this turn.

[Teraswaerto]

I've been taking the slow and steady road here for a while, and will continue with that. If I don't do a massive air drop on Machaka don't take that as a sign of weakness.

[sunray_be]

What do people think? I've got my turn in, I'd like to at least see what happens for this turn.

Ok, I cannot face Mictlan alone, but I think that a league of the remaining nations could balance his power for an interesting endgame. Ermor and Agartha already expressed their will to continue. What do you think Bullock? Should we ask for a sub (Tiavals maybe)?

:bug: <-- signature for a spider :)

[Tiavals]

Unfortunately I AI'd myself in my haste, really sorry about that. I'm beginning to wonder if you realize the situation my nation is in, with talk of subs and all. :)
The word paper tiger isn't enough to describe it.

[Bullock]

It will mostly depend on how u do sunray. U will take the biggest blow with Ermor. I let you engage hostilities.

lol at your signature btw ;)

[sunray_be]

OK, the show goes on. I've had a positive reaction from several nations. :bug::bug::bug:

[sunray_be]

Hi guys,

some change here. I often work abroad for short runs (it has sometimes caused me problems to send my turn BTW), but yesterday I've received a huge opportunity for a longer period, at least 3 months. Unfortunately it requests some urgent preparation at from Monday and I'll be unable to spend hours in plots and turn preparation :re:

I'm sorry but I really cannot miss this carreer opportunity (I'm a legal 'gatekeeper' in the international finance - hectic time here). Dominions is a serious stuff, but this is even more important.

Should I find a sub ? do you think that Tiavals or Hooley Dooley could play Machaka ? even if they maybe have something against Mictlan :hurt:

cheers

[jimbojones1971]

If another player wants to sub, I am quite happy to push on.

Otherwise, if a sub is not possible, then I am prepared to salute my new Mictlanese masters :-)

[Bullock]

No i think i'll end the game, it is going nowhere anyway. Mictlan is gathering ressources faster than we can take them down. And with his main rival away it wont be fun.

If there no complaint about that i then announce the victory of Teraswaerto !

[sunray_be]

If there no complaint about that i then announce the victory of Teraswaerto !

No complaint for me. I'm sorry to let you down. And I realized too late that Mictlan was so strong (around turn 75, when all elem. Kings/Queens had declined to answer my call -- Nexus was the high point of his domination).

I'm rather proud of my combo Astral Tempest + Enchanted Forest/Carrion Reanimation. Too bad I had too few astral mages :angel

Exciting game. Well done Teraswaerto! and thank you all for the good times.

cheers

[Teraswaerto]

Alright. I was about to start using Master Enslave on Machaka's larger armies, and to start attacking R'lyeh underwater in earnest so the game would've have probably been over anyway soon.

Thanks everyone, was fun, though I was surprised by the passivity of the other nations and the fact everyone kept fighting each other when Mictlan was emerging as the real threat.

The Nexus ended up costing more gems than I got out of it before it was dispelled so the only thing it achieved was to unite everyone against me.

[Bullock]

I wasn't the original admin of the game so i can't change the title, but

Teraswaerto - Mictlan - Winner

:)

[jimbojones1971]

Yay Mictlan! A very good victory :-)

I had hoped to eke out one victory against you, by using master enslave myself (together with 15 kitted SCs and several thousand disposable undead). But I am confident that, even if this had worked, you would have just taken stock and then beaten the living daylights out of me - so perhaps it is just as well that we are ending now!

Also, i am having to massively wind down my Dom3 commitments, so this helps me a lot.

Bullock: many thanks for taking over as the game admin.

[Tiavals]

Congrats on the win Teraswaerto.

Wonder if there'll be a third war of loemandor then?

[Teraswaerto]

Congrats on the win Teraswaerto.

Wonder if there'll be a third war of loemandor then?


I would join it, but earcaraxe isn't around anymore. Does Bullock have any interested in admining 3rd war of Loemendor? The map is wonky and sort of unbalanced, but that makes for a different type of game which is fine also.

Anyone else interested in writing a sort of post-mortem of their nation? Why things went the way they did, that sort of thing. I think I'll put something together today.

[Tiavals]

The short tale of Tien'chi:

Things were fine until a certain port province that was owned by Agartha(though I think it was owned by someone else in the beginning, not sure?) was the only place on my part of the continent that wasn't under my control. So I decided to take it. Unfortunately Pangae was a very loyal ally to Agartha, and started a war against me, a war that depleted both of our resources greatly.
At first Pangae had the upper hand with his vast amounts of chaff troops, although neither did advance much. Once I had amassed enough composite bowmen and fire mages, things changed. I noticed the usefulness of Fire Cloud as a spell against Pangae. It does poor damage, but as Maenads have no armor, it's really good against them as it lasts for a long time, and if they do get barkskin cast, their fire-resistance drops so it works pretty well against them even then.
Ultimately I advanced slowly but surely to pangae and had most of his non-fort provinces under my control. But the problem was, that he had one or two thousand maenads defending the place. Hunger is not an issue for them since they spawn for free and go berserk, so it was literally impossible for me to siege the place. In time I could have taken all of his other places and thus he would've been without money, which might have resulted in his troops deserting, if not for several Leprosy spells cast by someone on my sieging army. It was a really good move, since there was nothing I could do except wait for my army to die while he sat in his castle. Since most of my mages were there as well, my research had stagnated, and getting a new army would be really slow. I started pillaging his provinces since I knew there was nothing else I could do, and my guys died combined with disease and raids by Pangaen troops. After that, the lands I had conquered were easily reclaimed by their rightful owner. Apparently at the same time Mictlan has attacked Pangae and mostly destroyed his armies, leaving only a few unbeatable SCs sieging my capital which I couldn't defeat with my feeble own units, ending in a stalemate that lasted for the rest of the game(20 turns?).

[Teraswaerto]

When it looked like you were going to defeat Pangaea, I started both casting leprosy at you and feeding gold to Pangaea, as you seemed to be winning and I wanted you two to stay at war until I was finished with Pythium.

[jimbojones1971]

Congrats on the win Teraswaerto.

Wonder if there'll be a third war of loemandor then?


I would join it, but earcaraxe isn't around anymore. Does Bullock have any interested in admining 3rd war of Loemendor? The map is wonky and sort of unbalanced, but that makes for a different type of game which is fine also.

Anyone else interested in writing a sort of post-mortem of their nation? Why things went the way they did, that sort of thing. I think I'll put something together today.

Sure, sounds like a good plan. I'll happily pull together something on MA Ermor, which will mostly consist of "and then Agartha and I headbutted each other again, and it was kinda painful for both of us" :)

[Excist]

That wasn't Agartha's head ;)

Agartha's post-mortem goes something a little along the lines of R'lyeh wanted a secession of water provinces conquered by Agartha or he would try to get everybody to help him gang up on Agartha.

The aftermath of such extortion was Agartha butted Ermor's head with his left boot, seized R'lyeh's capitol with his right arm, played footsy with TC with his right foot and flailed his left hand in a flurry trying to stave off Abysia until Machaka could eat them.

Against any 1, or even 2 of those nations I could have mowed over, but the combination of them in 4 distinct directions and very different strengths and vulnerabilities made it exceedingly difficult to do anything but achieve a 30 turn stalemate

[Teraswaerto]

I went with a D9F4W4 improsoned master lich. Starting position was horrible, in the middle of a bunch of wastelands with border mountains on all sides. I knew I wanted to get a 2nd fort up as soon as possible for more sacred recruitment and that Mictlan's cheapest forts were in mountain terrain so I struck South immediately, East and West could wait.

As soon as I encountered Machaka Southwest I reached out diplomatically looking for some kind of peace or NAP and he agreed. Expanding East I encountered Vanheim, who lost a bunch of weakly blessed sacreds to my expansion party. We had some talks, and he seemed to have given up really. I went ahead and attacked him.

Around this time we were setting up a joint attack on Ulm with Machaka. Ulm lost.

After that there was a lot solidifying the alliance with Machaka and talking about who to attack next. We agreed to each attack different targets while providing support if needed/possible. Machaka went on to fight Abysia in long drawn out war that he won in the end. I attacked Pythium who crumbled quickly, though taking his forts did take a good while since I did not want to fail a siege against some crazy theurg communion.

Around this time I decided I would attack whoever was south of Pythium, and began to give gold Pangaea and use Leprosy on Tien Chi, to even out their war. The rest is recent history.

[Bullock]

On Ryleh side there is not much to say. I've been in early wars to claim all sea provinces. I was planning to go hard against Pangaea thinking Agartha wouldn't bother me despite the couple sea provinces i took to him since he was already at war. Finally he has sent a nice raiding party straight to my cap for which i was absolutely not prepared. I've lost my cap for several turns and even if i wasn't dead literally my hopes to win the game were dead at this point. Turn 60 i felt like i was trn 30.

When i finally came back on my foot half of my seas had the mictlan's candle on them despite tons of preachers. And my strength compared to mictlan's was peanuts.

Now i had a pretty descent view of what was going around. I was pretty sure Mictlan was going to win when i saw Machaka going to the west in Abysia's lands. I think he didn't realize the gap of power he had already with mictlan. It s some kind of double victories for Mictlan : Diplo & military :) well done.

Congratz also to Excist for his resilience against so many foes.