Silent Hill - Multi Era - Vet & intermediate - Running

[Bullock]

All players with a track record of at least few months of play are welcome (on shrapnel or somewhere else). The game will be relatively fast paced, so don't join if you lack the time for such game.

And like for all the games i'm the admin, i'm looking for persistent players who won't leave after the first defeat on the battlefield.

Map: Realm of Roaring Rhinos
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=804192
Players: 5-13
Age: Multi Era
Diplo : Everything is allowed. Trade is binding though.
Turns: Initially 24 hours, 36h trn20, then increase on request
Mods: CBM 1.94 / Streamers & standards / single age mod
Gamelink: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Silent_hill

LA ermor is forbidden

Ind:7
Renaming: ON
Charts: ON
All other settings: Default

all settings can be discussed.

Disallowed exploits:
*Copying Bogus' orders and overfilling enemy lab to prevent his own forge.
*Probing armies with scouts/commanders must be done in such a way so as not to block movement.


Players:

Bullock - LA Mictlan
Jolly Roger - LA Pangaea.
YellowCactus - LA Ulm
Ghoul31 - Nief
Revenant2 - MA Ermor
Lumix - LA Abysia
TheHeatMiser - EA Hinnom
BBZ - LA Patala
Tiavals - EA Ryleh
starcryst - EA Caelum
Minko - MA Ctis
Darkwing - LA Ctis

[Jolly Roger]

MA Pangaea for me.

Thanks for setting this up, mate.

Klaus

[YellowCactus]

I'm In!

Jotunheim Please

[bbz]

Sign me up as LA Patala and thx:)

[Bullock]

To please a friend i turned this to Multi era.

[ghoul31]

Nief

[Jolly Roger]

Hi Bullock,

in this case I would like to switch to

LA Pangaea

Thanks, Klaus

[TheHeatMiser]

Ill take a spot please.

[YellowCactus]

Oh, Multi-Era...

Yay!

Change me to Late Age Ulm if possible!
Thanks!

[revenant2]

I'd like to join as MA Ermor

[Lumix19]

Could I join as LA Abysia please?

[TheHeatMiser]

Hinnon

[Tiavals]

EA R'lyeh for me please.

[TheHeatMiser]

Sorry I should have been more clear. Im going with EA Hinnon.

[Bullock]

OP updated.

Game is up for pretender :
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Silent_hill

You can change your mind about your nation before the game start.
Just PM me to delete your pretender before or after adding a new one.

[minko]

May I ask for a spot in this game? I had 5-6 mp games before (one of which I actually split a victory for, yay me), but I haven't played for a while so I could use a day or two to brush up my game.

[starcryst]

I'll take EA - Caelum if there are still slots.

[Bullock]

May I ask for a spot in this game? I had 5-6 mp games before (one of which I actually split a victory for, yay me), but I haven't played for a while so I could use a day or two to brush up my game.

Sure lets have a try, but brush fast :D
At this point i'm planning to start as soon as all registered pretenders are rdy.

[Darkwind]

Sign me up for LA C'tis if there's room by the time I'm done posting this. ;)

[minko]

Can I get MA C'tis (never played with single age mod so dont know)? If no, I'll be MA Shinuyama.

[Bullock]

Yeah np for MA Ctis.

[Bullock]

Tiavals do you feel like playing a Water nation on Realm of Roaring Rhinos map ?

[Tiavals]

Why not? So long as I get a water start, I have enough underwater provinces to live, yes(roughly my allotment if you divide the provinces of the map by 12)? Almost all of the provinces are connected. Or does the non-fixed start mean I can start anywhere on the map, even on land?

[Bullock]

There is enough land, actually it's even pretty fair. However it will be hard to spread dom on this shape of province connections.

There is no fixed start actually. I can take the time to fix one however.
Pick one and give me the number of the land and i'll had it if u want.

[Tiavals]

I'd like province 85(Central sea of tears) if possible, it is a very reasonable start place, since there's only 3 land provinces next to it, meaning it won't be that easy to dom-kill me. :)

Also, would it be possible to give the download link for the map? There are a few versions of it floating around and I'm not sure which it is.

[Bullock]

I have to contact calahan to get the map File.
However if u have the image of the map it's enough to play.

[Bullock]

Even better Calahan contacted me ;) Thx to him.

Everything is set & rdy to go !

[Bullock]

We are waiting for starcryst's pretender and it's a go !

Good luck gentlemen

[bbz]

Good luck to all and have fun!:)

[TheHeatMiser]

I have a question and its not something I can easily reproduce:

If I equip a crown of command on a scout(leadership 0) who has the heroic ability Valor will I then receive the Valor leadership bonus? thanks

[Tiavals]

Me and Jolly Roger share a province that's adjacent to both of our capitals, which could be a drag. While I can live with it, how would people feel with restarting? If enough people dislike the idea, I guess there's little to be done.

[bbz]

Hmm you are EA R'lyeh, not that i want to say anything, but on this map you are bound to be one or two provinces away from someone(as you are a water nation).

I dont want to be a pain but I think that while this is a game-breaking problem between two land nations(which is why i was gonna agree to a restart) I dont think its that bad since you are an Underwater nation.

The map is also such that underwater nationhas to take high dominion to survive. So dominion is not a problem. And Pangaea doesn't have any standard underwater expansion so you wouldn't be competing for provinces at least not early on. Regarding you trying to get out of the water, that is going to be harder, but it was going to be hard anyways (since you are always bound to find people who'd make you stay underwater
(that is the way the game was designed).

I think that depending on who took the land province this is more of a diplomatic question than anything else.If you took it and I was Pangaea I'd immediately take it back. An Underwater nation cannot beat a Land nation(on land) at least not early on. (if Pangaea took the land border province between you two I dont think there is any problem. The two of you can discuss some sort of preaching policy(like no temples on that province) Or an alliance between a land and an underwater nations has been something I had a lot of success with) But that is up to you two and the diplomacy you conduct.

[bbz]

As I said I wont't stop a restart(im not a douche) but on this map you are going to start either 1 or two provinces away from the capital of a land nation that is because of the design of the map.

And you are going to have problems expanding on land due to the design of the game. but you are underwater nation so you have 16 uncontested provinces anyways.

Even on a big map such as cradle of dominions the underwater faction in the game I played was 1 province away from an enemy capital and 2 provinces away from 2 me and another guy, but that 'stop them at all from winning the game (Also this placement is bound to happen because underwater provinces are bigger and have more adjacent land provinces anyways)

[Bullock]

I do agree with BBZ. Also if you want to "improve" the starting point dispatching it means you will have to work on all of them not only the 2 you dislike.

Btw i would be more embarrassed of this situation as Pangaea than as Ryleh.

But i like democratic decision. So if you feel like drawing again the starting position and if the majority of the involved players want to restart i'm fine with that.

[Tiavals]

Your analysis seems quite sound bbz. Let's see what Jolly Roger has to say, if anything, but I suppose I'm okay with continuing.

[Jolly Roger]

Thanks for comments.

There are only 4 provinces adjacent to the capitol of Pangaea,
so this province is very important. As far as I know the capitol of an underwater nation doesn´t benefit from an adjacent land province on the subject of resources and vice versa.
Means I wanna hold that province and suggest to talk about a diplomatic solution.

No need for a restart as far as I´m concerned.

Cheers, Klaus

[Darkwind]

Sorry for the delay. I thought I had sent in my turn already. Well, at least I didn't accidentally stale! :o

[minko]

Hi, I'd need a 24 hr turn postpone.Just woke up to see my internet at home isn't working. I hope it'll be up today and I'll sent in the turn asap.

[minko]

Started working and I've just sent in my turn so nvm about the turn host postpone. But Ulm seems to not have sent it in yet... so might be a good idea to check with him maybe?

[YellowCactus]

Thanks for the mention of Ulm. I almost didn't submit my turn...again! Wife started a new job with two rugrats in my hands. I am starting to lose my mind!

[Bullock]

Fyi i had extended the turn. I'm not always posting here to say so. It's because i'm doing it from my smartphone and it's a burden to post here with it.

[minko]

Goddamnit. I had the same problem as yesterday and got the internet running just in time to see i staled...

[ghoul31]

Lets change the timer to 48hrs.

[Bullock]

switched to 36h as scheduled. I hope your connec issue will be solved soon minko! gl with that

[minko]

thanks for the gl wish. i havent had any issues since sunday so i hope the ISP gods have taken pity on me and put my troubles to an end.

[bbz]

Looks like EA R'lyeh hit jackpot with the site-searching:D

[Tiavals]

Looks like EA R'lyeh hit jackpot with the site-searching:D

What, I just researched my Voice of Tiamat and cast it a few times. :(

[ghoul31]

3 on one as usual

gotta love worthless cowards

[YellowCactus]

Really Ghoul? Worthless cowards? Okay. I hear ya! Our battle was 7 giants vs 55 Ulm holy knights. You lost -zero- and I lost 55. Now, how is it cowardly for your neighbors to pile on? If they don't, you will win.

[ghoul31]

Really Ghoul? Worthless cowards? Okay. I hear ya! Our battle was 7 giants vs 55 Ulm holy knights. You lost -zero- and I lost 55. Now, how is it cowardly for your neighbors to pile on? If they don't, you will win.

Its not my fault you don't know to fight giants. Learn to play.

[bbz]

If there is someone who needs to learn the game ghoul31 it is you.Acting like an arrogant little boy when advice is given to you, and then crying like one. Your attitude makes people dislike you.

Not to mention your complete lack of understanding for anything but the the most basic concepts of dominions 3.

But hey I'm looking forward to the next game thread where you're gonna start crying again and make up excuses for your incompetence.:) They are rather entertaining.

[ghoul31]

If there is someone who needs to learn the game ghoul31 it is you.Acting like an arrogant little boy when advice is given to you, and then crying like one. Your attitude makes people dislike you.

Not to mention your complete lack of understanding for anything but the the most basic concepts of dominions 3.

But hey I'm looking forward to the next game thread where you're gonna start crying again and make up excuses for your incompetence.:) They are rather entertaining.

Coming from the guy who had to gank me three one one in our last game to beat me. You are the one without skills. You could never beat me one on one.

[bbz]

ha do you even think I'm gonna waste my breath on you?

[Darkwind]

I was about to write quite the rant, ghoul, but rather than that I will say this: you are bad at this game. Please stop blaming other people for your own faults.

Also - would you mind adding 6 hours to the timer, Bullock? I might not need it but I would prefer to be safe.

[ghoul31]

I was about to write quite the rant, ghoul, but rather than that I will say this: you are bad at this game. Please stop blaming other people for your own faults.

Also - would you mind adding 6 hours to the timer, Bullock? I might not need it but I would prefer to be safe.

I win most fights one on one. I even win some fights one versus two.

So to to say I'm bad makes no sense.

[revenant2]

I win most fights one on one. I even win some fights one versus two.

So to to say I'm bad makes no sense.

Being good in a 1vs1 is fine and dandy -- right up until you get ganged up on or run into a nation that's able to exploit your weaknesses. And it doesn't really mean much anyway unless you can win the game.

I don't know your history very well, but I think you might want to work the diplomacy angle a bit more to avoid getting dog-piled on. Think of it as yet another counter :)

[Bullock]

Ghoul you should take the time to do some diplo. At least send some "nap3?" to the neighbors your are not interest at all to invade.
Diplo represent a big part of this game, you want it or not.

Btw turn extended by 6h on request.

[ghoul31]

ok, I take that back, its 4 on 1

But the highest ever against me was 6 on 1, so you still have a ways to go.

[minko]

Man, you're playing Nief and going on an expansion spree (at the expense of other nations) while having 1 fort and 0 research... You think others are gonna wait for you to:
a) get economy and research going with your new income;
b) show up at their borders with your giants?

Some people on this forum obviously know you - I don't, I have nothing against you and I have no idea how good of a player you are, but that kind of play just marks you out...

[ghoul31]

Thats funny, in my last game the guys excuse for attacking me 3 on 1 was that I didn't expand enough and I looked weak.

Your excuse is that I expanded a lot and looked strong.

And its hard to get any research done when you are being attacked by multiple players from turn 10 on.

[Bullock]

I'm sry for Ghoul. 2V1 not fair, 4v1 sux hard !

Btw i'm in the first configuration and i'm paying 1500Gold (+maybe some goodies) to the 1rt who will help me against Caelum in the next few turns. And another 1000Gold To the first who will seize one of his fort before trn40. (unless it was one of mine lol)

[YellowCactus]

I will be HAPPY to help you against your enemies....as soon as my lands are retaken from the Evil Ghoulish Giants of Destruction!

[minko]

I'd appreciate a 12 hr extension. I'll probably get my turn in within the regular limit, but better safe than sorry :).

Thanks!

[Bullock]

sure done

[ghoul31]

ok, now its 5 on 1


1 more and you tie the record

[revenant2]

Mr. Snuggles publicly apologies to LA C'Tis for accidentally assaulting him in Banded Hills. We'll withdraw immediately and pay suitable compensation.

I meant to move north and somehow moved South...

[Bullock]

I'm removing my bounty on Caelum, hoping we can solve this the pacific way.

[bbz]

Wow I just checked out the hall of fame:D

[Bullock]

Finally it's turning 1V3 (LA Ctis, Caelum, Pangaea) vs Mictlan. Any help would be greatly appreciated !

[revenant2]

Due to some underwater excursions, I've seem to have run a bit low on water gems. If anyone has extra water gems and needs death gems, I'm willing to trade on a 1:1 basis.

[minko]

I need an extension. Were renovating so I cant be certain when Ill be able to send my turn. 48hrs would be good to be safe, but Ill try to send in the turn faster than that... Sorry all for slowing down the game :(

[Bullock]

sure it's done.

[TheHeatMiser]

looking like 3 stalls this trn, Ulm being his 3rd in a row...:down:

[ghoul31]

just set Ulm to AI

[Bullock]

just set Ulm to AI

Is it ok for every1? If no complaint i ll turn him AI

[YellowCactus]

Sorry about that guys. I are suck.

[Tiavals]

just set Ulm to AI

Is it ok for every1? If no complaint i ll turn him AI

I oppose AI-ing Ulm a great deal, given that I've put a great amount of resources to put Ulm back on its feet.
Luckily it seems YellowCactus is back. Just stay back, pal. :)

[Bullock]

He s not. He has just left all his games.

I've no idea of Ulm situation, so i can't advert for him. He seems in pretty bad shape though. If some1 want to do some ads to find a sub for Ulm do it and i'll extend the timer, otherwise i'll turn him AI.

[revenant2]

He s not. He has just left all his games.

I've no idea of Ulm situation, so i can't advert for him. He seems in pretty bad shape though. If some1 want to do some ads to find a sub for Ulm do it and i'll extend the timer, otherwise i'll turn him AI.

Ulm took a full Nief rush to the face and has been staling with limited territory and research, so he's in pretty poor shape overall. On the positive side, they don't don't seem to have any enemies (that can reach them anyway) and they still retain their capitol, so their cause isn't completely hopeless -- but it would be an extreme challenge for a sub to turn them around.

Whatever happens to Ulm, will have a major impact on my conflict with R'lyeh, since our three territories are mingled together to a certain extent. If Ulm goes AI, things will become pretty chaotic and will strongly benefit the winner of the war.

Strategically, this will benefit me in my war with R'lyeh, who I suspect was propping up Ulm (who is also my ally) as a buffer against my expansion, although it's still in question since R'lyeh and I are still dancing.

[Tiavals]

Hmm, unfortunate if he's out then.

I originally liberated his lands from the giants(if I had known he'd go away, I'd have kept them and taken the rest of his stuff) since their guys are much better than me against Ermor. I even gave him fire and earth gems in the dozens since I couldn't use them that well.
Although if he was a secret ally of Ermor at the same time, I guess it might have been pointless anyway?
If Ulm does get a new player, he obviously wouldn't be indebted to me for freeing his lands, so it's not that useful overall. The AI might be better if they recklessly attack Ermor, since I'd assume a human Ulm replacement would be very careful, even though it'd be in his best interest to squash Ermor with me and gain some land. ;)
I'll advertise a bit, but if it looks like no one bites, we'll have to AI him.

[revenant2]

I originally liberated his lands from the giants(if I had known he'd go away, I'd have kept them and taken the rest of his stuff)


I was helping too. Admittedly, it might have been hard to notice while I was getting squashed by giants.


Although if he was a secret ally of Ermor at the same time, I guess it might have been pointless anyway?


Ally was probably too strong a word on my part -- more like a working partnership in the beginning of the game.

[Darkwind]

Could the turn timer be changed to 48 hours? Admittedly, we're just coming off a long break, but the turns are getting longer (it's almost turn 40!) and I'll be quite busy in the next few weeks.

[Bullock]

Yeah ok unless some1 is strongly against

[bbz]

Its ok with me:)

[Tiavals]

Go ahead.

[Bullock]

i'll be dead in few turns. If some1 feel like taking over Admin duties let me know, otherwise i keep an eye on the thread.

[revenant2]

i'll be dead in few turns. If some1 feel like taking over Admin duties let me know, otherwise i keep an eye on the thread.

I'll take it. I check the forums compulsively and I'm in a decent position, so I should last awhile.

[Bullock]

Alirght then you are the official new admin :)

Pass sent by PM.

[revenant2]

Mr. Snuggles is in the market for the following items:


Crystal Matrices(2-3)
Flaming Helmet(1)
Bag of Winds (1) or Winged Helmet(1)
Elixir of Life(1) or Boots of Youth(1)


If anyone is able to craft these and willing to help out the big cat, we're more than willing to pay a reasonable fee for your services -- including materials, of course.

[revenant2]

Those giants really know how to defend their capitol. I've seen multiple armies from different nations smashed into pulp at the gates of Niefelheim.

[Darkwind]

Can I have a 30 hour extension? I don't think I'll be able to start on the turn until Sunday evening.

Those giants really know how to defend their capitol. I've seen multiple armies from different nations smashed into pulp at the gates of Niefelheim. True, but it looks like they've been hard-pressed to defend much else.

[revenant2]

Can I have a 30 hour extension? I don't think I'll be able to start on the turn until Sunday evening.


Done.

The next turn is due 01:31 GMT on Monday April 29th.

[Darkwind]

Can I have a 30 hour extension? I don't think I'll be able to start on the turn until Sunday evening.


Done.

The next turn is due 01:31 GMT on Monday April 29th.To clarify - my turn is already in, apparently. I thought the turn had already hosted, and we were on to turn 49. I actually already have my turn in. I still won't have any access to Dom 3 today or tomorrow, though, so it still works out, I suppose.

[revenant2]

Can I have a 30 hour extension? I don't think I'll be able to start on the turn until Sunday evening.


Done.

The next turn is due 01:31 GMT on Monday April 29th.To clarify - my turn is already in, apparently. I thought the turn had already hosted, and we were on to turn 49. I actually already have my turn in. I still won't have any access to Dom 3 today or tomorrow, though, so it still works out, I suppose.

If you're able, let me know if your situation changes and I'll adjust the timer accordingly.

[revenant2]

At the request of bbz, hosting has been delayed by 24-hours to 17:56 GMT on Saturday May 4th.

[Jolly Roger]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on vacation from tomorrow to Tuesday 7th of May.

Please delay until I´m back on Wednesday 8th of May, GMT 11:00 am.

Thanks, Klaus

[revenant2]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on vacation from tomorrow to Tuesday 7th of May.

Please delay until I´m back on Wednesday 8th of May, GMT 11:00 am.

Thanks, Klaus

You already submitted your turn for this round. Did you want the additional time for the subsequent turn or for the current one? I'm assuming the former, so please let me know if I'm mistaken.

[revenant2]

Gentlemen,

I´ll be on vacation from tomorrow to Tuesday 7th of May.

Please delay until I´m back on Wednesday 8th of May, GMT 11:00 am.

Thanks, Klaus

You already submitted your turn for this round. Did you want the additional time for the subsequent turn or for the current one? I'm assuming the former, so please let me know if I'm mistaken.

At the request of Jolly, I've delayed hosting until 17:57 GMT on Wednesday May 8th.

[starcryst]

I'm travelling on business this week and I probably won't be able to get my turn in until the weekend. Can we delay until Sunday afternoon sometime?

Thanks - Starcryst

[revenant2]

I'm travelling on business this week and I probably won't be able to get my turn in until the weekend. Can we delay until Sunday afternoon sometime?

Thanks - Starcryst

I delayed hosting until 00:10 GMT on Monday May 13th. I'm not sure what time zone you're in, but this comes to 5:10 PM PST on Sunday.

[starcryst]

Need another delay please. Turns getting very complex! Can we get an additional 24 hours?

Thanks.

[revenant2]

Need another delay please. Turns getting very complex! Can we get an additional 24 hours?

Thanks.

No problem. I could use more time for evil plotting as well. I extended the time to 19:35 GMT on Thursday May 16th.

On top of this, I've extended the hosting interval to 72-hours, which I think is probably past time for where we are in the game.

[bbz]

Mists of deception is such an unfair spell....

[starcryst]

Mists of deception is such an unfair spell....

Without it, EA Caelum would be unplayable because they'd have no way to deal with Lightning Immune Thugs / SCs. It's not that hard to counter, you just can't use your Thugs / SCs without some kind of cannon fodder support.

[bbz]

true but here comes the good strategical ability of EA Caelium since you can strike pretty much wherever you want to:)

[starcryst]

true but here comes the good strategical ability of EA Caelium since you can strike pretty much wherever you want to:)

Yes - mists + strategic flight is a VERY powerful combination.

[bbz]

Hi can I have a 12 hrs extension of the current turn?

[revenant2]

Hi can I have a 12 hrs extension of the current turn?

Done.

[revenant2]

A head's up that I delayed hosting until 11:36 GMT on Friday May 24th due to some crazy work issues on my part and a very involved turn. Based on the number of PMs flying around, I have a feeling some of you might feel the same way.

[TheHeatMiser]

now is the time to close the maw of Charybdis!

Hinnom ends NAP3 with Patala

[revenant2]

One of the C'tis's staled this past turn, but I'm not sure for sure which one it was (the log on Llama's only lists "C'tis"). Anyone know?

If we get three stales in a row it might be time to look for a sub.

[revenant2]

One of the C'tis's staled this past turn, but I'm not sure for sure which one it was (the log on Llama's only lists "C'tis"). Anyone know?

If we get three stales in a row it might be time to look for a sub.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was MA C'tis that staled due some assassination attempts by the late age version.

[revenant2]

MA C'tis (minko) staled again. That last turn was particularly ugly for him since his assault force on Nief's capitol (which looked doomed to begin with) got smashed to smithereens with no avenue of escape. Compounding his misery, he lost his pretender and his global, eternal Pyre, in the carnage.

If he stales again I'm going to look for a replacement player.

[revenant2]

I'm in the market for air gems. If anyone has a need for water or earth gems, I'll trade on a 1:1 basis.

[Bullock]

I'm back in business as the ruler of MA Ctis.
I consider any previous deal void and I have prepared cookies & milk for any diplomats who want to make new one.

Cheers

[revenant2]

I'm back in business as the ruler of MA Ctis.
I consider any previous deal void and I have prepared cookies & milk for any diplomats who want to make new one.

Cheers

Thanks for taking over Bullock!

You know the admin password, so you can co-admin with me now :)

[revenant2]

Mr. Snuggles has a large cache of shiny Skull mentors that he's looking to sell or trade away at a discount. He'll accept any gem type or certain items in return.

[minko]

Hi all, former MA C'tis player here. First of all, I'd like to apologize for stalling for the 3(?) turns. It was a really eventfull couple of weeks for me (I became an uncle and got a new job, among other things) and truth be told I'm kinda relieved that you decided to sub me out.

Thanks Bullock for taking over the torch and sorry that it's a such a mess you have to clean up :( (truth be told I thought I'd take Nief).

[bbz]

could I get a 24 hrs extension?

[revenant2]

could I get a 24 hrs extension?

Sure.

Hosting has been disabled until 02:22 GMT on Thursday June 6th.

[revenant2]

Does anyone have any spare Boots of the Messenger they can send my way this turn? I'll pay the upfront cost and a fair fee on top of it if you can. Please PM me if you're interested.

[revenant2]

If anyone has boots of the messenger they can send my way this turn, I'll gladly pay the crafting cost and a fair fee on top of it. Please PM me if you're interested.

[bbz]

Guys could we add another 24 hours on the timer for several turns. I didnt manage to get my turn in time coz things here are pretty busy:S

[revenant2]

I added 24-hours to the clock. The new hosting time for turn 62 is 01:56 GMT on Thursday June 13th.

I might have trouble remembering to add 24-hours to subsequent turns. Do you want me to increase the interval to 96-hours instead?

[bbz]

Hi thx I lot I think 13th of June is perfect in terms of timing I'll have enough time to finish one of my assignments:)

[Darkwind]

Bye, everyone! :) It's been a fun game. To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed by how I did in the endgame - I don't think I had a single successful battle, just a stream of successive losses. Revenant2 has indicated he feels that LA C'tis is poorly-equipped against MA Ermor, but I'm not sure I agree. Patala dealt the killing blow though, honestly, when they took out my main army with half a dozen Earthquakes I wasn't prepared for. I don't think I'd have won against revenant2 - especially not with the attitude regarding LA C'tis's viability versus them that I had then - but it would have been much closer than the mop-up that the war turned out to be.

My primary issue throughout the game was money, which I think was partly just luck and partly poor pre-game strategy. (My tactical blunders were all my own.) This impacted both my number of mages and my number of Tomb Guards, who serve as excellent chaff. This, combined with my focusing on other uses of D gems than the priest summons, and the destruction of my main army, lead to a disastrous lack of chaff - certainly not enough to deal with Ermor's hordes.

I think I was pretty much doomed when I selected my pretender, though. I decided to experiment with a gem-generating pretender who acted as a quasi-rainbow. He honestly wasn't very useful; I don't think the gems I got (1N and 1D per turn from the start of the game) was worth having to sacrifice scales (and thus money) and expansion potential (and thus both money and more gems).

[revenant2]

Bye, everyone! :) It's been a fun game. To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed by how I did in the endgame - I don't think I had a single successful battle, just a stream of successive losses. Revenant2 has indicated he feels that LA C'tis is poorly-equipped against MA Ermor, but I'm not sure I agree. Patala dealt the killing blow though, honestly, when they took out my main army with half a dozen Earthquakes I wasn't prepared for. I don't think I'd have won against revenant2 - especially not with the attitude regarding LA C'tis's viability versus them that I had then - but it would have been much closer than the mop-up that the war turned out to be.

My primary issue throughout the game was money, which I think was partly just luck and partly poor pre-game strategy. (My tactical blunders were all my own.) This impacted both my number of mages and my number of Tomb Guards, who serve as excellent chaff. This, combined with my focusing on other uses of D gems than the priest summons, and the destruction of my main army, lead to a disastrous lack of chaff - certainly not enough to deal with Ermor's hordes.

I think I was pretty much doomed when I selected my pretender, though. I decided to experiment with a gem-generating pretender who acted as a quasi-rainbow. He honestly wasn't very useful; I don't think the gems I got (1N and 1D per turn from the start of the game) was worth having to sacrifice scales (and thus money) and expansion potential (and thus both money and more gems).

Don't sell yourself short DW, your defenders did a considerable amount of damage to my army. It's difficult to tell from the army graphs (due to the number of undead I'm generating), but I took fairly heavy losses. Admittedly, it was mostly my chaff, although you nearly wiped out one of my armies when you first unleashed Heat from Hell, which was an unpleasant surprise.

I was so concerned about my losses that I spent great effort planning each of those fortress battles in microscopic detail to minimize my losses. That last battle, for instance, I made sure I maximized reinvigoration on my Thaums and cast regeneration so they could fight through the heat and poison that I knew was coming and used my lower tier chaff to soak up your Dust to Dust spam. I also made sure to preach before each battle to lower your morale and made lots of adjustments to the initial spell lay-out.

The reason I think C'tis is ill suited to fight MA Ermor is because Ermor excels at killing undead with banishment. This might seem counter-intuitive, but all of my mages have Holy 2 or Holy 3, which is greatly magnified with communions. For instance, In a 24-thaum reverse communion with 16 slaves and 8 masters backed by Power of the Spheres this translates into 16 3H, 6 H6, and 2 H7 casters, which will melt the faces right off most undead.

You were actually my number one target from the beginning of the game for this very reason, but I couldn't attack until much later because I had my hands full with Ulm and R'lyeh.

In terms of scales, I would have had a much rougher go of it if you had been able to mass Sauromancers. I'm a firm believer of the more scales policy. More money = More Fortresses = More Mages = More Undead = More Research.

Well, maybe not research. Except for Nief, I had terrible research for most of the game. By the time I got to construction 8 there wasn't a single epic item I could forge. The only reason I researched it was because I thought you had it (I saw a Tart with no afflictions) and I might be able to forge it after you got knocked out. Alas, it's still unavailable.

[Darkwind]

I'm not sure I did considerable damage if the chaff you generate in a turn nearly outweighs the damage I do :D To any other nation the losses from, for example, taking my capital would have been catastrophic, but I never even managed to dent your army's total size.

I don't think LA C'tis is necessarily reliant on their undead chaff (as opposed to somebody like LA Agartha, where your base troops really aren't worth using). Certainly you'll often see LA C'tis relying on hordes of Tomb Chariots, but that's not a necessity, and you can get along just fine with Desert Rangers, City Guards and (in CBM) Falchioneers, though the lack of predator lizards from earlier eras does hurt. If I had had enough gold (there it goes again!) I could have gone from a majority Tomb Chariot army to a more mixed army without too much trouble if I found Banishment spam too dangerous, and you should be recruiting as many Desert Rangers as you can anyways as LA C'tis. Also, LA C'tis's undead aren't necessarily easy to banish - Tomb Chariots have base MR 11, and Tomb Wyrms base MR 16 (plus a boatload of health), and C'tis has the same national undead buff spells as Ermor does. I actually had a small group of Tomb Wyrms set to Guard Commander to attract banishment spam in the last battle (though they didn't do much of anything, sadly). They're quite good at it indeed, and had I positioned the wights a bit further back they could probably have eked out a few more turns for me to spam Wither Bones.

I honestly think Ermor comes out the worse in this matchup - every Sauromancer having access to Wither Bones is absurdly powerful, and I think my losses were due more to sheer numbers, both of thaumaturgs and of longdead horsemen, as well as my own misplays, than to a strategic advantage Ermor holds over C'tis.

fake edit: I just realized I said Tomb Guards earlier when I meant Desert Rangers. To clarify, Tomb Guards are heavier, but Desert Rangers have mapmove 2 and are thus better.

[revenant2]

I honestly think Ermor comes out the worse in this matchup - every Sauromancer having access to Wither Bones is absurdly powerful, and I think my losses were due more to sheer numbers, both of thaumaturgs and of longdead horsemen, as well as my own misplays, than to a strategic advantage Ermor holds over C'tis.


Sauromancers are certainly powerful, but take into account that they are nearly twice as expensive as Thaums and Ermor's undead are basically free and geneated en-masse in battle, so any match-up is going to be inherently lopsided in terms of numbers all things being equal. The success will come down to whether they can kill enough undead fast enough before they become exhausted.

[bbz]

Could I ask for a 24hr extension? Thx in a advance.

[revenant2]

Could I ask for a 24hr extension? Thx in a advance.

Sure. The new host date is 21:55 GMT on Tuesday June 25th.

[bbz]

Hey sorry for the late call but could I get a 12 hr delay in the current turn. I'll be back home late and I wont be able to do my turn until then.

[revenant2]

Hey sorry for the late call but could I get a 12 hr delay in the current turn. I'll be back home late and I wont be able to do my turn until then.

Done. The new hosting time is 00:11 GMT on Tuesday July 2nd.

[Jolly Roger]

Hi mate.

I will be on vacation from 3rd to 10th of July.
Could continue at July 11th.
Please postpone turns until I´m back.
Sorry for delaying this thrilling game !

Thanks

Klaus aka Jolly Roger

[revenant2]

I'll postpone after we receive turn 70, which shouldn't be overtly excessive since we're solidly in the late game and these turns are taking 3-4 days anyways.

Even though I didn't start this game, I like to take a fairly relaxed pace to games so I'll usually grant extensions upon request. I hope this is cool with everyone, but I figure with the amount of time some of these turns take (and will take) that we should be as accommodating of everyone's schedules as possible.

[bbz]

Completely agree with the relaxed pace late game:)

[revenant2]

At the request of Jolly, I've extended hosting until 19:08 GMT on Thursday July 11th.

[bbz]

Guys I'm really sorry but I have to stop playing computer games for a while.
I dont mind calling revenant2 the winner or finding a substitute to finish my position. Let me know what you think.

[Jolly Roger]

Let´s call Revenant2 winner of the game.

Good luck to you, Antoan !

Best regards

Klaus

[bbz]

Thank you for the understanding Klaus:) Best of luck to you too:)

[revenant2]

Guys I'm really sorry but I have to stop playing computer games for a while.
I dont mind calling revenant2 the winner or finding a substitute to finish my position. Let me know what you think.


I think you and I were heading for a grueling, brutal late-game war that could have lasted months of real time, so I obviously don't have any issues being declared the winner. However, let's see what the other players think before we make this official.

If we do want to continue, it might take awhile to find a substitute with D4 around the corner, so we should be prepared for quite a delay. Obviously, going AI wouldn't be an option with your commanding position.

When this game is over, I'll write up a quick AAR.

[bbz]

Ye I was really afraid because our positions are similar so the brutal late game would have taken as my mentioned months maybe half a year. But at the end I think you'd have won just because you had a better way to generate unlimited ammout of undead chaff.
I dont really know, I had about 150 blood slaves income(which I was planning on turning into about 200-250 at some point) so it would have been an interesting game. Also had 20% forge reduction + the two hammers(16 S rings of sorcery) and also 20% enchantress reduction hence the many grendelkins that I had. I also had the chalice and tartarian factory(and almost all of the artifacts) and I'd gotten deep into death magic so that I could eventually use undead mastery against you. So I dont really know who would have won between us two:D but I figured that you probably would have lead a war of attiration which would eventually make you the winner(with all those 30k undead chaff). Anyways it was a really fun game and I'm sorry that I'm leaving for now maybe once I get my life sorted I'll come back.:)

[revenant2]

Ye I was really afraid because our positions are similar so the brutal late game would have taken as my mentioned months maybe half a year. But at the end I think you'd have won just because you had a better way to generate unlimited ammout of undead chaff.
I dont really know, I had about 150 blood slaves income(which I was planning on turning into about 200-250 at some point) so it would have been an interesting game. Also had 20% forge reduction + the two hammers(16 S rings of sorcery) and also 20% enchantress reduction hence the many grendelkins that I had. I also had the chalice and tartarian factory(and almost all of the artifacts) and I'd gotten deep into death magic so that I could eventually use undead mastery against you. So I dont really know who would have won between us two:D but I figured that you probably would have lead a war of attiration which would eventually make you the winner(with all those 30k undead chaff). Anyways it was a really fun game and I'm sorry that I'm leaving for now maybe once I get my life sorted I'll come back.:)

I had been watching you closely this game and tailoring my forces to fight specifically against you. For instance, you relied on a large raiding force to blitzkrieg your opponents in the first turns of war, but I had fielded a large force of anti-raiders (Golems and Asynjas) that were specifically geared to knock out your your raiders and been frantically building fortresses to protect my territory. Next turn alone I would have had an additional 6 completed and probably had another 6-7 in various stages of construction.

I knew Undead Mastery would be coming and likely Purgatory as well, so I made sure all of my armies I was assembling could cast it in return with full penetration gear and had a large number of fire gems ready to cast Purgatory. I think Earthquake (which I know you like to use) would have been an issue (assuming you got first strike), although I did try to mitigate by having Gift of Health up and spreading my dominion around (this is to protect my mages of course -- undead are expendable).

Although you were generating more gems then me, I didn't need to spend very many gems myself and had stock-piled quite a few. Although I had been building some SCs and had my own tart factory going, I never used a single SC or thug in battle and didn't foresee needing to use them much beyond an anti-raiding role so I didn't have to deal with any attrition.

On the ritual front, my long-term plan was to wish away some of your key artifacts and then put up a 999 gem Arcane Nexus with my 20% enchantment site and then tear down your enchantments one-by-one as I flooded you with a bunch of smaller armies backed with about 2,500 undead generation a turn (more later as additional fortresses came online). It probably would have taken me only 5-6 turns to accumulate enough astral gems to pull off this strategy, although I was still coming up with the list of artifacts to hit first. It depended on whether I thought you were capable of casting wish or not.

I think one of the problems you would have faced would have been trying to crack my fortresses. With Arouse Hunger spam, I can fortify a fortress pretty easily. If you tried to send in a large army, I would have blasted it to smithereens with Flames from the Sky and Murdering winter (or tried to steal it with Master enslave). I was actually very worried about you doing the same with me, and was planning to send in a bunch of smaller armies to try to mitigate.

I had my own blood economy going, although I didn't make much use of it. I was thinking that in a grueling, long-term game, it would be handy for the three red seconds spell to secure territory gains and to help minimize spending gems.

By the way, I have about a million guys that can cast Vengeance of the Dead -- some of which have full penetration gear (my mind hunters) -- that were itching to knock out Tredel, your Grendelkin, that was using the sickle to harvest death gems from Pangaea. He was a strategic threat and every turn I agonized whether to break our NAP and knock him out (using either VotD or my anti-raiders), but I figured the long-game favored me and it was best to preserve the peace.

[bbz]

Well after reading what you had ready for me. I'm sure I wouldnt have been able to beat you. And not because of my economy, but purely because you are a better player and you deserve the win:) I was thinking about all the tricks that you mentioned and about the nexus but I didnt manage to stockpile any gems due to the fact that I've been fighting since turn 20-30(cant remember now:D) but ye... Win is yours if no one else disagrees:)

[mattyburn7]

Wow...my brain just exploded reading that strategy...also taugh me some things too!

[revenant2]

I extended hosting until 19:07 GMT on Friday July 19th, which I'm hoping will give everyone enough time to comment about whether we should continue or not. If I don't hear any nays, then I'm planning to end the game at this time.

[revenant2]

Well after reading what you had ready for me. I'm sure I wouldnt have been able to beat you. And not because of my economy, but purely because you are a better player and you deserve the win:) I was thinking about all the tricks that you mentioned and about the nexus but I didnt manage to stockpile any gems due to the fact that I've been fighting since turn 20-30(cant remember now:D) but ye... Win is yours if no one else disagrees:)

I think you are being overtly generous in your praise. I was lucky that I was able to take advantage of a couple of opportunities and managed to avoid getting dog-piled on.

[starcryst]

I'm good with Ermor getting the win if Patala is.

[revenant2]

It's been about a week and I haven't heard any nays, so I'm declaring the game finished on Llamaserver.

Thanks for playing everyone!