Infantry ATGM unit shoot out of turn. Bug ?

[EpoletovSPR]

1. Inf ATGM unit does movement (1,2 hex) ---> shoots rocket points = 0.

2. Inf ATGM unit suppressed enemy fire (MG and etc.) ---> pinned.

3. Rally Inf ATGM unit ---> we have = +1,2 shoot rocket !

That is, after movement Inf ATGM unit and attack by the enemy we again can shoot rockets !

[Mustang]

Sometimes I Z fire my own units to get them extra shots.

The Z fire will continue until morale improves, I guess.

[Mobhack]

1. Inf ATGM unit does movement (1,2 hex) ---> shoots rocket points = 0.

2. Inf ATGM unit suppressed enemy fire (MG and etc.) ---> pinned.

3. Rally Inf ATGM unit ---> we have = +1,2 shoot rocket !

That is, after movement Inf ATGM unit and attack by the enemy we again can shoot rockets !

A "Heroic Rally" - it has always been there. An old SP "feature" I believe.

Sometimes when a leader rallies very well, the unit has its shots and movement restored. It is however a rather rare occurrence.

Andy

[EpoletovSPR]

I checked several times.
Inf ATGM unit always in this situation (see above) receives new shots.

After all they need time for deploy weapon.

[DRG]

I checked several times.
Inf ATGM unit always in this situation (see above) receives new shots.




I've been trying to recreate this but for one eason or another I cannot duplicate the exact circumstances. ( moves -> fires -> gets surpressed -> rallies -> gets all shots back )

If you have a test save game that shows this post it please


Don

[Imp]

Never noticed with vehicles but certainly on the odd occasion infantry units recover gaining shots & movement. In ATGM teams case it does indeed allow them on very rare occasions to fire even if they moved.
To me its a good feature catches you out & just abstract it away, firer was in position & you saw the ammo carrier move or whatever floats your boat.

[DRG]

The infantry issue has been "known" for years. As Andy said "it has always been there" but it's NOT predictable.

This ATGM "bug"--- if it can be replicated repeatidly--- is not the same thing at all


Don

[EpoletovSPR]

I checked several times.
Inf ATGM unit always in this situation (see above) receives new shots.




I've been trying to recreate this but for one eason or another I cannot duplicate the exact circumstances. ( moves -> fires -> gets surpressed -> rallies -> gets all shots back )

If you have a test save game that shows this post it please


Don

In archive Scenario (slot 333) and Save game (2 test: slot 10 and 11).

Begin turn and play movie enemy turn.

It will be visible as Inf ATGM unit "Dragon" movie --> supressed MG-fire enemy "Abrams" --> shoot rocket "Dragon" in tank.
And so twice in both tests.

If after movement Inf ATGM unit no supressed (status: Ready) then not rocket shoot.

But if supressed --> Rally decrease supression --> have rocket shoot.
And so always, if only there are no big losses in crew Inf ATGM unit.

[dmnt]

Could it be some kind of "moving, not moving" -bug? If the ATGM moves, it can't shoot. If it is pinned, it's not moving, but can't shoot. Rally -> game thinks it's not moving as it was pinned and it can now shoot again.

This same kind of bug is with SPA: try driving a tracked mortar or similar to rough slope so that it gets stuck. Now it's immobile and it gets to shoot on artillery turn.

[DRG]

Something to look into.

Don