Furious Noobs -EA- (Newbie Game, 10/10, Running)

[TimeLegend]

GAME NAME: Furious_Noobs
ERA: Early
MAP: Shadowshore (Found here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=491)
TURNS: 48 hours
NUMBER OF PLAYERS: 10
MODS: CBM 1.94
DIPLOMACY: Machiavelli

Special Rules: Renaming Yes

Also I should note that the map only has about enough water provinces for one water nation so keep such in mind. We'll be using the Llama server to play the game (PBEM).

Players:
TimeLegend: Tir Na n'Og
Brain_Caster: Ermor
Ossa: C'tis
Brazouck: Arcoscephale
Peacekeeper: Tien Chi
Vlam: Mictlan
Trumelunki: Kailasa
GoodKnight_IL: Abysia
foul_play: Agartha
Gargouille: Oceania

[Brain_Caster]

Looking forward to this game. So far, I've only played a few duels against TimeLegend, but I think I did relatively well in those, so at least I shouldn't embarass myself too badly. :)

[Happyfungi]

You may want to provide more information about game settings and what format like direct connection or PBEM.

[Ossa]

I'm rather intermediate than newb but I'd like to join with Ctis.

[Brazouck]

I'm in !!

I have 2 mp games under my belt where I didn't last long :)

[TimeLegend]

Ok. Which Faction will you be joining in as?

[Brazouck]

arcoscephale would please me

[Peacekeeper]

like ossa im somewhere in between intermediate and noob but id love to take part if youll have me.

i would join as tien chi

[Vlam]

I FINALLY got my account activated!

So I was waiting for a game like this one to open to join the forum :)

I'll be pleased of being part of this one, I'm a real noob.
I'm french tho, so we'll see for hosting times?

If it's ok, I'd like to play as Mictlan!

See you soon!

EDIT: Didn't saw 48h a turn, no problem so!

[Brazouck]

Salut vlam, ravi d'avoir un compatriote :)

[TimeLegend]

Hoping to get some more recruits I made a secondary thread here. (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-3-the-awakening/forum/board/multiplayer)

[mattyburn7]

I would call myself an intermediate though I haven't won any games yet. If you need a spot and want to have me let me know and I'll jump in.

[TimeLegend]

I think it'll be easier for if y'all simply tell me how many games you've been in previously. 5 and under are more or less guaranteed a spot while 6-10 game can work in a pinch , but hopefully I won't need to get intermediates for this game with the new forums.

[Vlam]

@Brazouck: Check PM :) .

Can't wait for this one to start!

[Peacekeeper]

i think ive played 7. im not entirely sure because i tend to play a game or two then take a long break. I played some dominions 2 as well so im not sure when in my post history the dominion 3 games start up. it seems like its been 9 months since my last games this time around.

[parone]

hmm. im prob also an intermediate. ill join if you need an extra.

[mattyburn7]

I'm probably in 10 to 15 range so no worries. If you are really in a pinch PM me. Good luck guys!

[TimeLegend]

I'm probably in 10 to 15 range so no worries. If you are really in a pinch PM me. Good luck guys!

Ok I'll be sure to if need be. :)

[foul_play]

I'd like to play as agartha, first time playing MP, advice very welcomed

[Gargouille]

Hello, can i join with Oceania?
Salut Vlam et Brazouk!

[TimeLegend]

Ok everyone. I need the other players opinion on something. While we wait for Trumelunki to decide on his nation, I'd like to hear if you all do or don't mind that some of the other players are borderline Intermediate players. We can allow them to come and play anyway or we can wait for some newer players to come to this game.

[Gargouille]

I am not realy noob, i played 5 MP (3 here, and 2 with french private server), i can leave (i am not a bad player, but me never win a game). I come here because i see Vlam, and i play a game with him (his first MP game) in a french server.
Cette fois ci, si je suis accepté, je serais planqué dans l'eau!

[foul_play]

I don't mind intermediate players esp if they aren't uber tryhards. Also are we starting with only 1 province? because it seems boring to wait 48 hours for the first 3 turns just to capture the surrounding provinces. If i said something stupid, pardon me, I'm totally new to dom3 MP.

[TimeLegend]

The only 2 who seem to be Newb/Intermiadate are:
Ossa: ? games played
Peacekeeper: 7 games played.

But for starting Provinces,yes we'll be starting with one province, because if I've learned one thing about playing duels is that the early game is almost just as important ,if not more so, then the other parts.

Also it's just how I roll. :cool:

[Gargouille]

Yes, i think it's better "one province for beginning".

[Vlam]

Ah ah, trop chouette y'a Gargouille :-) !
C'est chouette l'eau!

I don't mind for intermediate player too, especially if they are ready to give advice ;) .
What about quickhost for the very few first turn (1-5?)?
By the way, one starting province seems to be better than the other choice, I've never seen a MP game with more than 1 starting province.

[Brazouck]

Héhé, trois francais ...

no problem for more intermediates player for me, I don't hope to win anyway ...

What will be the strength of independants ? It is important for the pretender.

[Brazouck]

Timelegend, my name is Brazouck, not brazock ;)

Also I vote for starting with one

[TimeLegend]

What will be the strength of independants ? It is important for the pretender.

Standard which is strength 5 Indie PDs. Pain in the butt at times, but workable, also fixed.

So far if you're keeping tabs on both threads it's

Wait for newer player: 1
Don't mind: 2

[mattyburn7]

One thing on the timing. Yes. Turn quick host on. Most likely y'all will burn through first 5 to 10 turns pretty quickly. At that point it will slow down a bit.

[TimeLegend]

GAME IS NOW SET UP. It is time to send pretenders. Be sure to have the mod on when you make the pretender and the right nation. I'm only saying this because I've made those mistakes before.

GOOD LUCK, HAVE FUN. :)

[Peacekeeper]

since its a lot of people first game on llama server, heres the faq for how it works, how to send in your pretenders, etc.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160

most relevant to us at the moment is part 1 of it

Firstly, you should only join a game if you've found there's a thread for it on this board, you've read it, and they're still looking for players. Then you should post on the thread saying what nation you'll be. To actually join the game:

- Make sure you have the same mods enabled as the game you're playing in (Preferences->Mod Preferences) although only mods affecting pretender design, such as Conceptual Balance, actually matter
- Go to Game Tools -> Create a pretender god in Dominions. Don't set a password, since for PBEM games they're not helpful and occasionally annoying (e.g. if you need a sub)
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have the game name in the subject line of your e-mail

A few minutes later you should get a confirmation e-mail, and if you check the website you should find your nation added to the list of nations which have joined the game.

If later you think of an improvement to your pretender, you can send it in again. Provided the game hasn't actually started the server will accept your revised pretender, and send you an e-mail to say so.

[foul_play]

btw, the CBM mod is freaking amazing. I've always wondered why the giant Agartha uses the same spear lengths as normal sized human, didn't make much sense, and the CBM mod addresses this small detail. Running some single players right now. Let's hope I don't stay up too late today :(

[mattyburn7]

I know I'm not a player, but I have one other suggestion.
Hang in there and have fun. Even if it looks like you are not going to win, create secondary goal, be a pain in someone's butt. This is how you have fun and learn the game.
Enjoy!

[Vlam]

C'mon Arco :) !

[parone]

have fun. in their own way, your first few dom games are the best!

[TimeLegend]

This going to be a bit embarrassing to say, but I think I sent the wrong pretender. I'll need to restart the 'Send Pretender' part, so I ask do you all mind if I do that?

Regardless of yes or no,Sorry all.

[Peacekeeper]

go for it, i hate my starting position anyway!

[Vlam]

No problem, go on!

[TimeLegend]

Ok then, just re-send them and then we're good.

[Brazouck]

what must we do ?

[TimeLegend]

As just resend your Pretender to Llamaserver with the same subject [ Furious_Noobs ] and you're good.

EDIT: Wait I'm being dumb your pretenders are all their I'm restarting now. My bad.

[Vlam]

Good luck everyone :) !

[Peacekeeper]

so there appears to be a bug with EA arco right now brazouk that you might want to take note of. Their starting upkeep is higher than its supposed to be. This was posted on the Desura forums about it.

link to post: http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-3-the-awakening/forum/thread/furious-noobs-ea-newbie-game-610/page/2

Unfortunately there isn't. Or at least not a solution that involves just a few mouse clicks. The recent posts on the dedicated thread for this bug that Lunaje linked has a suggestion that should work in theory, but it will need someone to create a mod, and/or makes changes to existing gameplay mods, in order to workaround it.

As to how much the EA Arco player is affected by this bug, well best to ask the EA Arco player. And ask him/her what their starting upkeep was. If it's only been inflated to around 40-50gp, then that might not be that crippling. But if it's closer to or over 100gp, then that starts to really hurt.

And apologies for not pointing this out to you sooner. I didn't notice that there was a EA Arco player in the game when it was still in Pretender sending/sign-up stage, as I was monitoring the new posts, but wasn't checking the player list for updates.

im not sure how badly your getting hit by it but let us know what you want to do regarding it.


as a side note, with the 2 threads going, would it be easier for everyone to consolidate in 1 thread now that the game is under way? Probably on teh desura forums, since the more experienced players seem to be active there and willing to help out with any questions that might arise.

[Vlam]

Hello everyone!

I feel stupid. :doh:
I just learned today that I was in holidays from 1/03 to 8/03.
This is a surprise, I wasn't told I was leaving.
I may have internet where I'm going, but it's not obvious, and I may not be able to play my turns.

If you need a sub, no problem, I understand, even if this makes me sad. :(

Have fun anyway.

[Brazouck]

I will do with the bug, if I lose badly, I will have an excuse ... :D

No problem for me waiting a week for vlam

[Vlam]

I could have find a solution:
if you turn the server in quickhost, without time limit, I may be able to play a few turn, 2 by 2, using PDAnet.

<3 Brazouck ;)

[Peacekeeper]

I could have find a solution:
if you turn the server in quickhost, without time limit, I may be able to play a few turn, 2 by 2, using PDAnet.

<3 Brazouck ;)

sounds reasonable.

[Peacekeeper]

just a warning for everyone. The Shrapnel forums have private messaging turned off by default. So if you just made your account and this is your first game, youll need to go to the "User CP"(should be on the top of the screen here under the dom 3 awakenin > multiplayer > furious noobs). Once there, under "settings and options" youll be able to edit options. Enabling PMs will be there under all the email options.

[Vlam]

Even if I can play turns 2 by 2, it would be appreciated turning off the countdow of each turn: I may take 3 days the first time, or something like that.

Thank you!

[Gargouille]

Waiting for vlam, no problem for me too.

[Gargouille]

Please, i would understand how a god can 8 dead in turn5? He must be immortal and... ?

[Peacekeeper]

Please, i would understand how a god can 8 dead in turn5? He must be immortal and... ?

must be something wrong with showing revives on the hall of fame.

[Trumelunki]

Yes! Finally got this account activated. Hopefully the private messages work too.

[Peacekeeper]

Yes! Finally got this account activated. Hopefully the private messages work too.

they do.

[Vlam]

Hello, I'm back!

[Peacekeeper]

Hello, I'm back!

welcome back. you did amazing btw, almost kept up a turn a day on a 2x2. Id want to kill myself, lol.

[Vlam]

I tried to :) !
I told everyone that if I was able to play my turn, I would play it. Fortunately, it was the case!

[Trumelunki]

Not too much talk going on in this thread. Would anyone care to share some rumours. What is going on in the world?

Sadly, my corner of the world has been pretty boring during this first year of war.

An btw, shouldn't we move back to 48 hours schedule now that Vlam has returned?

[Trumelunki]

Please, i would understand how a god can 8 dead in turn5? He must be immortal and... ?

must be something wrong with showing revives on the hall of fame.

I heard the little birds sing. There is nothing wrong in revives.

[Peacekeeper]

Please, i would understand how a god can 8 dead in turn5? He must be immortal and... ?

must be something wrong with showing revives on the hall of fame.

I heard the little birds sing. There is nothing wrong in revives.

hes using a phoenix is my guess.

[Vlam]

What about setting back 48h/turn?

[Peacekeeper]

i sent time a PM asking him to revert it, we will see how that goes.

[TimeLegend]

Sorry It's changed. Sorry forgot to do that, myself. It's back at 48 hour turns.

[Vlam]

Nop, my fault :) !

[Gargouille]

Foul_play/Agartha play?

[Vlam]

I didn't see your post trumelunki.
My expansion has been normal too (if we except our little frontier accident :p ), excepted with C'tis when his army and my expansion force met on indies!
By the way, regarding the graphics, it seems that Agartha is being invaded, maybe by Tien Chi :) .

I'm actually writing an AAR of our game, I'll give you a link when it'll be over, I may translate some parts in english (anyway, there are pictures :D ).

[Peacekeeper]

By the way, regarding the graphics, it seems that Agartha is being invaded, maybe by Tien Chi :)

it is true. I offered him a NAP and when he was only willing to guarantee me until the end of year 1 it forced my hand. Unfortunatly i couldnt wait for a nation with big bless sacred and poor scales to get those free turns in order to invade me.

[Gargouille]

Waiting Agartha Monday April 1st ?

[TimeLegend]

Do you wish for me to host now?

[Vlam]

>Peacekeeper: I'm such a graphicwh*re this time :p . I prefer when they are set off.

>Timelegend: Knowing that it's supposed to be 48h a turn, you could host now. But beating a staling opponent may not be interesting for Tien Chi. Let's wait one more day?
Do as you want!

[TimeLegend]

Vlam: I'll shall wait 12 Hours personally to try to be fair to Agartha. I think that's fair to everyone.

[Peacekeeper]

we should try our best to find him, if he stales this turn hes as good as dead.

[TimeLegend]

I have PMed a message that informs him of the amount of time he has left to take his turn.

[Vlam]

So, it seems that Agartha is almost dead, applause Tien'Chi that earns a castle/a monstruous gem income/a monstruous income :p .

By the way, those perfids lizards just attacked me, killing my citizen, burning my temple, poisoning my wells, eating my soldiers...
They don't care of diplomacy, and never answer your requests.I wasn't even told they were moving this month
So I tell everyone that it should be know that the pacific magocracy of Mic'tlan is actually invaded by the horrible kingdom of C'tis.

[Peacekeeper]

So, it seems that Agartha is almost dead, applause Tien'Chi that earns a castle/a monstruous gem income/a monstruous income :p .

well hes almost dead but im still a long ways from taking his castle.

[Vlam]

Noone must no longer ignore that Ermor and Mictlan are bound by a NAP-3.
Chiconahuiehecatl must underline their honor, and their respect.

[Brain_Caster]

The honorable Chiconahuiehecatl speaks true. An NAP-3 exists between the Ermoran people and Mictlan. The Senate is pleased to call this people our friend.


C'tis, however, has invaded Ermoran territory this turn, with no warning, cause, or provocation. Virtually undefended backwater territory, admittedly, but still, Ermoran backwater territory. To say that the Senate is in an uproar would be understatement. C'tis claims they're only passing through, trying to avoid Mictlan's armies.

Well, it's not just Mictlan's armies they have to worry about now.

We have given C'tis one chance to turn back their forces and pay us compensation. If they refuse, Ermor shall send an army to join Mictlan's in turning those lizards into handbags. Considering the rather underwhelming performance of C'tis forces against our province defense we don't expect that to take long.

Senatus Populusque Ermorus

[TimeLegend]

Just to informed I've been away from home for a while, so I'm postponing the turn by 12 hours. Sorry for the wait.

[Trumelunki]

Seems Agartha is dead. Anyone care to tell briefly what happened and why such an early attack?

[Peacekeeper]

Seems Agartha is dead. Anyone care to tell briefly what happened and why such an early attack?

I ran into agartha in the 4th turn. In our negotiations for a NAP he said he would only be able to guarantee me no aggression until the end of the first year.

This left me in a tough spot, he was a heavy bless nation with strong sacreds and terrible scales (turmoil3, sloth3, heat3, growth2, luck3) who was intent on early aggression on his neighbours. I had good expansion up to that point and his was a bit lacking so I decided to fight him then and there rather than wait. With the sloth3 scale, he couldnt produce a certain mass of sacred units so I was able to swarm down his guys with high defense units and keep him down to 1-2 provinces which let me win out in the end.

[Brain_Caster]

Let it be know, that of today (turn 23), the Senate and People of Ermor consider their NAP with Chiconahuiehecatl of Mictlan to have been canceled, and due notice given.

We do this, not because we wish for Mictlan's destruction, but because they have ignored our latest messengers. The crisis in the north threatens us all. Ermor can no longer wait for Mictlan to react - we must act.

[Peacekeeper]

its not much of a threat anymore, kailasa saw to that.

[Brain_Caster]

its not much of a threat anymore, kailasa saw to that.

Kailasa is the threat I am talking about. As far as I know they have broken an NAP with no warning or provocation, which is something Ermor opposes on principle, and their military budget is enormous relative to the size of their nation. Mictlan just happens to be in the way.

BTW, Kailasa / Trumelunki, if you're reading this, I am not opposed to discussing this like reasonable people before we end up fighting each other for no good reason. Feel free to send me a P.M anytime.

[Trumelunki]

Seems I need to clarify what happened between Mictlan and Kailasa (me), so that you don't think I am just a dishonorable backstabber (though I did kind of backstab Mictlan, but he totally deserved it).

All this started around turn 8, when I get a message from Mictlan, that they will attack my province Fogyc, which I had taken a turn before. He hoped that I don't mind and maybe we can still be friends and all that kind of lies.

I proceeded to inform him that I will consider the action an act of war and he should reconsider. Well he was not going to back up, so I had retreat. I had no chance to fight those double blessed warriors. I obviously agreed on an non-aggression pact to ease his mind.

Let's go forward 10 turns. I have no chance to go anywhere, being sandboxed between C'tis and Mictlan. Mictlan and C'tis are at war. For a reason or another I decided to give Mictlan a second chance and informed that I will now take my province back. He refused. The province was actually controlled by C'tis at this point.

I did some diplomacy with him to make him believe he can bully me twice and promptly took the province by force. I then marched to his capital just to prove my point. I was pretty happy to get my revenge.

Now I will let you be my judge. Was I lying bastard or did I just do some clever machivellian diplomacy to take my revenge. Feel free to choose both options :)

Trumelunki of Kailasa

[Trumelunki]

Let it be known to all mortal world that the enlightened Naakka of Kailasa and mighty Caesar Aeternus of Ermor have signed a non-aggression pact (12 turns warning).

Let our holy lips never touch chocholate if we break our word.
Naakka of Kailasa

[Brain_Caster]

Let it be to all mortal world and their divine rulers that the august Caster Aeternus of Ermor and the enlightened Naakka of Kailasa have signed a non-aggression pact (12 turns warning).

May frogs crawl out of our mouths if we break our word.
The Senate and the People of Ermor, and their divine ruler Caster Aeternus.

[Peacekeeper]

12 turns warning? i see that one ending in a machiavellian way.

[Brain_Caster]

12 turns warning? i see that one ending in a machiavellian way.

There shall be no betrayal. Kailasa can be sure of that. Our oath is sacred to us. When we declared an NAP with Argatha, we kept our word. When we declared an NAP with Tir na n'Og and Tien Chi, we kept our word, and shall continue to do so. When we declared an NAP with Mictlan, we kept our word even in their most vulnerable hour, and when we declared an end to that NAP, we did so openly and in accordance with the conditions of our pact.

And should we ever declare an end to our NAP with Kailasa, we will stand by the same principles once again.


Ermor believes in honor. We believe in remaining true to our word. We believe in being fair and just to those who are fair and just to us. We believe in carrying grudges against those who betray us, even if it's to our disadvantage, just for the satsifaction of having hurt the betrayer. And we believe in the value of having the world know that this is so. Rest assured, the NAP-3 between Ermor and Tien Chi is as sacred to us as this new pact between Ermor and Kailasa.

But never mistake our honor for naivety. There is pragmatism in honor. By proving that we are dependable, we invite others to do the same. The fact that we shall not commit betrayal ourselves does not mean we will not prepare for betrayal from others, it just means that we give them an opportunity to show us honor in return and benefit from the security of having a neighbor that actually abides by their pact.

[Peacekeeper]

it wasnt a comment on your honor, it was a comment on just how long 12 turns is. Thats half the game weve played so far and a very very long time to wait for a NAP to end.

[Brain_Caster]

it wasnt a comment on your honor, it was a comment on just how long 12 turns is. Thats half the game weve played so far and a very very long time to wait for a NAP to end.
Certainly, this pact will ensure peace for both our nations for quite some time. That's its purpose. ;)

[Peacekeeper]

so i had a feeling TNN staled last turn, then they did indeed stale again this turn. Has anyone heard anything from Time recently on whats going on?

[Brain_Caster]

so i had a feeling TNN staled last turn, then they did indeed stale again this turn. Has anyone heard anything from Time recently on whats going on?
I'm not entirely sure, but I think he may be having internet trouble. A few turns back, he responded late to a PM of mine and mentioned something about having had no internet for the last 2 days. Could be it happened again.

[Peacekeeper]

so i had a feeling TNN staled last turn, then they did indeed stale again this turn. Has anyone heard anything from Time recently on whats going on?
I'm not entirely sure, but I think he may be having internet trouble. A few turns back, he responded late to a PM of mine and mentioned something about having had no internet for the last 2 days. Could be it happened again.

i sent him a PM asking whats going on. If hes having internet issues, we need to get the admin password so we can pause the game until he has them figured out. If i havnt heard from him in the next day or so, ill send llama an email and see if we can get admin of the game moved to someone else.

[TimeLegend]

I'm sorry I don't have access to my game and I have limited access to the internet at this time. I do apologies for this inconvience. I'm at my Brothers house for Spring Break. I'll go ahead and pause the game for now.

Sorry again.

[Peacekeeper]

I'm sorry I don't have access to my game and I have limited access to the internet at this time. I do apologies for this inconvience. I'm at my Brothers house for Spring Break. I'll go ahead and pause the game for now.

Sorry again.

dont need to apologize to us, it was only you who was being hurt by it.

[Brain_Caster]

Let it be known to all the people of the world that there is now an NAP-6 between the nations of Oceania and Ermor. Let peace reign.

Senatus Populusque Ermorus

[Gargouille]

We confirm the NAP-6 with honorable nation of Ermor.
Ambassador from Oceania.

[Brain_Caster]

As of this moment (Turn 34), Ermor hereby cancels the NAP-3 between itself and Tien Chi. We consider due notice to have been given, and will begin hostilities in turn 37.

We take this step because Tien Chi's recent invasion of Abysia, as well as certain other factors, have convinced us that we are their next target.

Senatus Populusque Ermorus

[Gargouille]

I leave Friday morning (tomorrow) and return Sunday evening (maybe Monday). Sorry, I could not play during this time.

[Trumelunki]

Pretty awesome fights this turn at 2 capitals, thanks!

Underdogs fought well!

[Trumelunki]

Hey TimeLegend!
Did you note that Oceania asked for extra time? He might get a stale turn...

[TimeLegend]

I hope I was on time.

[Gargouille]

I hope I was on time.
No, but don't worry, I'm back! I lost the turn 36, but it's no realy important, i lose my "land-force" in turn 35, now I can not win, only survive. I play turn 37 this night or tomorow morning.

[Trumelunki]

Can we go back to 48 hours per turn please?

[TimeLegend]

ok I'll make it so next turn is on 48 hours.

[TimeLegend]

Wait the hosting interval were on 48 hours. Weird.

[Trumelunki]

This thread needs more posts, so here I present my assessment of the situation!

It's turn 40. We are soon approaching the endgame and there are still 7 players left. All nations left still have a shot for godhood, though some are in better shape than others.

Leader - Ermor
It's pretty clear that Ermor has the best situation. Ermor is #1 in nearly all categories, and has nearly double research done compared to next best researcher!

Runner ups - Kailasa, Tir na n'Og
Both seem to have pretty solid positions, doing good in the graphs. Both seem to be improving their situation.

Kingmaker - Oceania
Despite some minor losses of late, Oceania is in a solid position. Oceania has all the tools to decide what will happen in this game. He can attack nearly anybody - starting a war where the opponent has nothing to win, only lose.

Dark Horse - Abysia
Abysia seemed to be in a tight spot, but recovered nicely. Maybe he won't be stopped.

Looking for a come back - Tien'Chi, Arcoscephale
These two are currently going downdward on the tracks. But Abysia showed that one lost battle does not lose the war.


The next few rounds might tell us more, as there are several wars raging around. I also assume that we will soon see some endgame tricks employed, as several nations have done quite a lot of research already (especially Ermor).

[Trumelunki]

Hmm, seems that both Oceania and Arcoscephale staled last turn. It also seems that at least one of them staled the turn before that, as the last 2 turns have taken exactly 48 hours. Could our admin clarify the situation?

Could the players inform us whether they are still playing? Otherwise we should find subs asap, or make them go AI. Arcoscephale is especially crucial, as he is fighting Tir na n'Og.

[Trumelunki]

Hello, time to wake up TimeLegend!!!

Now there was 4 staling players: Arcos, Tien Chi, Oceania and you!

Time for some admin action. Please post a message here to let us now what is the situation. Otherwise this game is going to go down the drain.

I myself am not interested in a game of 'who can beat the staling players'. If you are not interested in doing the admin duties, please give the password to someone else then.

And also, you should remove quickhosting till the situation is clear, thank you.

[TimeLegend]

Hello, time to wake up TimeLegend!!!

Now there was 4 staling players: Arcos, Tien Chi, Oceania and you!

Time for some admin action. Please post a message here to let us now what is the situation. Otherwise this game is going to go down the drain.

I myself am not interested in a game of 'who can beat the staling players'. If you are not interested in doing the admin duties, please give the password to someone else then.

And also, you should remove quickhosting till the situation is clear, thank you.

Sigh... Yes I suppose you are right on this subject, but please understand that this is my first time being an Admin in any of these larger games. I have in fact PMed Oceania and Arco to figure out what was going on but didn't get a reply.

As for me stalling that happened for two reasons.

1. I wanted to see if I could get into hold with Arco and Oceania and solve that issue before the end of the turn. I decided to wait for them until I got the 12 hour warning e-mail.

2. That e-mail never showed up before the turn ended!:mad:

As for you wishing to take admin responsiblilty since I don't seem cut out for it. O.k. I'll PM you the Admin password.

[Trumelunki]

Nasty way to get a stale turn :(

And sorry, I did not mean to criticize too hard. I have zero game administration experience myself :) I was just getting worried, as we have invested quite a lot of time on this already. Sorry again.

Now I think we should make a vote about what to do about staling players. Arcoscephale is pretty much gone already so that's not a problem, right? But Oceania and Tien Chi are still very powerful.

Options are:
1) do nothing, staling players' provinces are free for all
2) put them all to AI
3) Try to find subs for at least Oceania and Tien Chi

If any of the mentioned players notice this, could you please inform us of your intentions...

I myself am more inclined to just put them to AI to get the game moving on. Anyone else have an opinion?

[TimeLegend]

Now I think we should make a vote about what to do about staling players. Arcoscephale is pretty much gone already so that's not a problem, right? But Oceania and Tien Chi are still very powerful.

Options are:
1) do nothing, staling players' provinces are free for all
2) put them all to AI
3) Try to find subs for at least Oceania and Tien Chi

If any of the mentioned players notice this, could you please inform us of your intentions...

I myself am more inclined to just put them to AI to get the game moving on. Anyone else have an opinion?

Turn Arco to AI and try to find Subs for Oceania and Tien Chi, Oceania is in the best position to still do something in the game and could change the tide in many ways.

[mattyburn7]

Peacekeeper (TC) has gone AWOL in another game. I believe there is a history there of that happening. In our game he is in a hopeless position however. If you really need a sub, PM me. I might be interested.

[Trumelunki]

I added 24 hours to let the slackers answer. Let's find some subs if there is no answer by tomorrow.

[Trumelunki]

I sent a private message to mattyburn7, so he may decide if he wants to sub for Oceania or Tien Chi. I will post a public message anyways this evening.

[Trumelunki]

Mattyburn takes over Oceania, thank you!

Some notes on the situation. Ermor is currently in a big lead. He has just taken half of Tien Chi's provinces and has an incredible research machine (don't ask me how).

Your precedor made NAP:s with at least me (Kailasa) and Ermor, but you don't actually need to honor those (this is supposed to be machiavellian diplomacy anyways). Oceania and me just conquered and shared C'tis peninsula, but I did beat Oceania for the capital. Oceania attacked the capital first but got beaten back by C'tis.

[mattyburn7]

Thanks For the update and the info on NAPS. I'll be sending out diplomatic notes in the near future. I have noted Ermor's leads in research as well as gems.

[Trumelunki]

And revenant2 takes over Tien Chi!

Let's hail the brave player! I don't know in how bad Tien Chi really is, but good luck anyways!

[Trumelunki]

Also for our new players:

Abysia's player GoodKnight_IL has not been able to activate an account here. He was recruited at Desura's and can be recruited there.

The thread is here:

http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-3-the-awakening/forum/thread/furious-noobs-ea-newbie-game-610/#807410

He would like to inform you, that Abysia also had a NAP with Oceania. Seems everybody had :)

And one more thing I just learned. It is not possible to set a player to AI using llamaserver's admin tools. So something needs to be done to Arcoscephale. I will try to figure out something.

[revenant2]

It looks like we (T'ien) are in a fairly precarious military situation . If we had any agreements with other nations, e.g., NAPs, please let me know.

[revenant2]

Can I get a 24-hour extension? I need to do a major restructuring of our celestial bureaucracy that's going to take additional time. I submitted a rushed, conservative turn as a precaution, but its far from perfect.

[mattyburn7]

Cool, At this point I'll assume I have a NAP3 with everyone except Arco. Let me know if you feel otherwise!

[Trumelunki]

Added some more time. Just let me know if you need more.

And if you know a nice way of setting Arcos to AI without getting a peek at the situation let me know. If any of the eliminated players could do that please send me a private mail.

[Happyfungi]

I'll play arco if you send me the turn file, some people subbed for me recently and I would like to return the favor.

[Trumelunki]

All settled - vargr was kind enough to turn Arcos to AI, so no-one needed to spy on Arcoscephale's situation.

Game can continue, seems we only need Abysia's turn file. I was in contact with him bit earlier, so he is definately playing.

[mattyburn7]

Is it possible to turn off auto-host for just a bit. i think Rev wanted an extension for TC if possible?

[revenant2]

Is it possible to turn off auto-host for just a bit. i think Rev wanted an extension for TC if possible?

That would be great. I have a lot of tactical things I still need to sort out. It's not the end of the world if it auto-hosts, but I could use a bit more time if possible.

[Trumelunki]

Quick host is off, so you have time guaranteed till saturday morning to revise your strategies. Give me a message if you need more.

Also - Happyfungi might sub for Arcos, but I think we will not wait too much anymore. I hope he can make it, sent him a message just now. Thanks for the offer Happyfungi!

[revenant2]

Quick host is off, so you have time guaranteed till saturday morning to revise your strategies. Give me a message if you need more.

Also - Happyfungi might sub for Arcos, but I think we will not wait too much anymore. I hope he can make it, sent him a message just now. Thanks for the offer Happyfungi!

I'm all squared away from my end.

[Trumelunki]

Confirmed then. Thank you Happyfungi for rising up for the challenge.

[Gargouille]

Sorry I lose lot of turn and I can't play before end june.
Good end game for all.

[Happyfungi]

Diplomacy in this game is Machiavellian, that is fine but what about Trades, are they absolute and binding like in normal games or are they just as likely to be smoke and mirrors?

Basically I want to make a trade with Many gems and want something costly in return. Under the rules of this game will I be assured that the trade must be honored?

[Trumelunki]

Well, it was not specified in the original post. But I think binding trades are the standard.

Let's just call trades binding and be done with it.

[Happyfungi]

Thanks. I am trying to get up to speed and figure out a last stand. Are the only players left not in a war Kailasa and Oceana, or am I missing someone?

[Trumelunki]

Thanks. I am trying to get up to speed and figure out a last stand. Are the only players left not in a war Kailasa and Oceana, or am I missing someone?

Yes, your assessment of the situation is correct. Ermor and Abysia are fighting Tien Chi. Arcoscephale and Tir na n'Og have been fighting for a long time.

Just to record some more history. Kailasa and Oceania just crushed C'tis. C'tis was also fighting against Arcoscephale. Tien Chi actually invaded Abysia first, but was driven back and then Ermor joined the party. Earlier Kailasa destroyed Mictlan with some help from C'tis. And very early in the game Tien Chi annihilated Agartha.

[mattyburn7]

Error, Kailasa, and Arco have reached out to us. We consider ourselves a nap3 with those 3 nations. We consider ourselves at a potential state of war with all other nations.

[mattyburn7]

1 correction. Nap 3 should just be nap since they are different conditions for different nations.

[Happyfungi]

thanks for the info

[Trumelunki]

Added some time, cause Tir na n'Og would have staled.

[TimeLegend]

Sorry for the wait I've been stuck at more bros house for a week.

Turn will come shortly.

[revenant2]

Abyisa,

I laugh at your remote attacks. Hah.

Go ahead and come for my capitol. I'm going to make you bleed.

[Trumelunki]

The game is getting more interesting again! Thanks all new players!

To make it more interesting...

The glorious nation of Kailasa officially cancels the NAP-3 with Tir na n'Og. Feel the wrath of the monkeys!

(3 turns warning applies - no attacking before turn 48)

[Happyfungi]

I have sent out some private messages. I have not heard back from some players that I messaged so I don't know if they have not read them, or if they just weren't interested. If you don't check your PM's you may want to.

[GoodKnight]

Bah..
Finally! got this to work :D
So.. Hello everyone!

Oceana so what's the deal? NAP nullified?

Tien Chi
I'm pretty sure those spells were effective :D
But I'd like to know down the line because I have never tried a spell like that!

(This is one of my first games :D )

Peace out people!

[mattyburn7]

Hey GoodKnight...I sent you an in-game message. Oceania and Abysia are at NAP3....thanks for reaching out to me!

[revenant2]

Hey GoodKnight,

I forgot that this is a newbie game :) I'm a sub and don't have very much skin in the game -- and my position is near hopless anyway, so I'm happy to go into detail about what happened (usually I play my cards close to my chest).

Last turn I got hit with a barrage of remote attack spells, most of which were absorbed by my Frost and Astral dome. I always make it a priority to have domes in my critical provinces, so I brought these online ASAP. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough nature paths to put up a nature dome, although that was because our former leadership didn't seem to focus on getting deep level magic paths. Anyway, I digress. Almost all of the remote attacks (I think there were around 10 of them) were nullified with a return barrage of frost attacks to the attacker.

I'm assuming this was you, although it doesn't look like I killed any of the mages (hopefully a few of them got afflictions), so whomever cast them was fairly tough and had a lot of HP or was immune to cold. At the end of the barrage I had 80+ unrest, so some of them (it looks like two) made it through, but since I was already patrolling and am not relying on convention troops the impact was minimal.

You obviously did a lot of damage to me with Fire Storm in our earlier battle. I had a feeling it was coming, but I didn't have very good counters so I took a good beating, although my other army was much more successful :) However, it was worth the risk and now I have an army heading straight to your heartland (along with that small raiding force). You'll defeat it of course, but hopefully, it will throw you off balance a bit.

In my capitol, I'm summoning units like crazy, and I suspect that you don't have enough men to breech the walls. When you lay siege to me, I'm going to send small forces out to make you drain your fire gems, so make sure to keep some spare. I'll use the time while I'm holed up to try to get some more counters to your fire spells and summon fire resistant troops, although it's probably too little too late. If I had taken over a few turns earlier, I'd probably be able to give you more of a fight.

[GoodKnight]

Hey GoodKnight,

I forgot that this is a newbie game :) I'm a sub and don't have very much skin in the game -- and my position is near hopless anyway, so I'm happy to go into detail about what happened (usually I play my cards close to my chest).

Last turn I got hit with a barrage of remote attack spells, most of which were absorbed by my Frost and Astral dome. I always make it a priority to have domes in my critical provinces, so I brought these online ASAP. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough nature paths to put up a nature dome, although that was because our former leadership didn't seem to focus on getting deep level magic paths. Anyway, I digress. Almost all of the remote attacks (I think there were around 10 of them) were nullified with a return barrage of frost attacks to the attacker.

I'm assuming this was you, although it doesn't look like I killed any of the mages (hopefully a few of them got afflictions), so whomever cast them was fairly tough and had a lot of HP or was immune to cold. At the end of the barrage I had 80+ unrest, so some of them (it looks like two) made it through, but since I was already patrolling and am not relying on convention troops the impact was minimal.

You obviously did a lot of damage to me with Fire Storm in our earlier battle. I had a feeling it was coming, but I didn't have very good counters so I took a good beating, although my other army was much more successful :) However, it was worth the risk and now I have an army heading straight to your heartland (along with that small raiding force). You'll defeat it of course, but hopefully, it will throw you off balance a bit.

In my capitol, I'm summoning units like crazy, and I suspect that you don't have enough men to breech the walls. When you lay siege to me, I'm going to send small forces out to make you drain your fire gems, so make sure to keep some spare. I'll use the time while I'm holed up to try to get some more counters to your fire spells and summon fire resistant troops, although it's probably too little too late. If I had taken over a few turns earlier, I'd probably be able to give you more of a fight.

lol that is interesting.. it actually says if you killed my mages or not?

The nature doom would be a bad idea no?
(If I use fire spell it burns down? )

I also used some luck to block the incoming spells (I anticipated something like that :D )

lol that battle man :D So much **** going on :D
How is it that some of your magi were not affected by fire storm?
(They weren't FR or something)

Also there is no need to spell your cards out completely :D
was just wondering about the effect of the remote attack.
Since it is 60 unrest and I figured 50% success I had used 4 casters. 2 went through so I assumed you were shut down.
Alas the patrolling army didn't think about that.

Thanks for the info man!
I now know that for the spell to have 100% sure effect I need it to hit at least 3 times. (so 6 caster :( )

How bad was the effect on your income? Should be pretty bad since it's like your only major province..

Also I was surprised by the victory :D

[revenant2]

lol that is interesting.. it actually says if you killed my mages or not?


Yup.


The nature doom would be a bad idea no?
(If I use fire spell it burns down? )


There's a chance of that, but it depends on the type of spell you use.


lol that battle man :D So much **** going on :D
How is it that some of your magi were not affected by fire storm?
(They weren't FR or something)


Fire Storm effects 50% of the units per turn, so some of them might have been lucky. We also used Fire Fend to give some protection and two of my mages had rings of fire, which made them immune.

I screwed up some of their orders and I should have forged more rings before looking for trouble, but luckily I didn't put all my eggs in one basket :)


How bad was the effect on your income? Should be pretty bad since it's like your only major province..


You definitely impacted my income, but income isn't as important in the later stages of the game. You're probably doing more damage to yourself spamming raging hearts through my domes then causing any real damage to me. Conventional armies at this stage of the game aren't very effective anyway. Save your gems. You're going to need them :)

[GoodKnight]

lol that is interesting.. it actually says if you killed my mages or not?


Yup.


The nature doom would be a bad idea no?
(If I use fire spell it burns down? )


There's a chance of that, but it depends on the type of spell you use.


lol that battle man :D So much **** going on :D
How is it that some of your magi were not affected by fire storm?
(They weren't FR or something)


Fire Storm effects 50% of the units per turn, so some of them might have been lucky. We also used Fire Fend to give some protection and two of my mages had rings of fire, which made them immune.

I screwed up some of their orders and I should have forged more rings before looking for trouble, but luckily I didn't put all my eggs in one basket :)


How bad was the effect on your income? Should be pretty bad since it's like your only major province..


You definitely impacted my income, but income isn't as important in the later stages of the game. You're probably doing more damage to yourself spamming raging hearts through my domes then causing any real damage to me. Conventional armies at this stage of the game aren't very effective anyway. Save your gems. You're going to need them :)

The idea was actually really to cause unrest above 100 and shut u down.. We will see how the rest of the turns go :)

[revenant2]

The idea was actually really to cause unrest above 100 and shut u down.. We will see how the rest of the turns go :)

I can already tell you how things will go: I'm hatching a plan so fiendish and terrible that your army of fire-monkeys will soon be running in abject terror before my resurgent power.

That's the plan anyway, although I might have a few pesky details to work out :)

[GoodKnight]

The idea was actually really to cause unrest above 100 and shut u down.. We will see how the rest of the turns go :)

I can already tell you how things will go: I'm hatching a plan so fiendish and terrible that your army of fire-monkeys will soon be running in abject terror before my resurgent power.

That's the plan anyway, although I might have a few pesky details to work out :)
Well.. bring it on? :)

[Trumelunki]

Ooh, nice work Brain_Caster - Arcane Nexus is up!

In my eyes that means you feel that you are in a winning position. Can't really argue that, looking at the score graphs.

[TimeLegend]

Fighting a three on one war makes me a Sad Panda. :'(

Curiously does Abysia,Tien Chi, or Ermor mind if they tell me how the war south of me is going? Tien Chi seems to be a lot better off then I remember them being. :)

[revenant2]

I think you need to fire your intelligence minister because our war has been...well, let's just say that it's been a challenge.

Check in with us in a few turns. We'll either be knocked out of the game or Abysia will be crying in despair.

[revenant2]

Oh wow. I didn't realize Arcane Nexus is up.

Not to be the master of the obvious, but this enchant needs to be taken out pronto or Ermor will win the game.

[revenant2]

Does anyone have an astral 9 pretender? I have a couple of hundred astral gems I can donate to the cause, or I can attempt to dispel it myself, but I doubt it will be enough.

If not, you guys better focus fire on Ermor. I'm not in a great position to contribute armed forces since Abysia is about to come for my throat, but I'll help you however I can.

[revenant2]

I'm in the market for a Staff of Storms. If you're able and willing to craft this for me and you're not Ermor, then please let me know.

[revenant2]

Hey Abysia.

You don't have private chat setup, so I'll send this publicly instead in hopes that you read it.

You're getting ready to assault my capitol, but I'm pretty sure you still don't have enough troops and I've built a lot of nice counters that I'm pretty sure will cause a lot of damage to you. You might not know it, but your army is extremely vulnerable to fire-immune thugs/scs. Even if you win against me, you'll soon lose to Ermor. Note to everyone else: this applies to you all as well.

I'm just a sub and don't mind duking it out (it will be fun to see how well my fortress defense works out), but I think you should consider turning your forces against Ermor with me. I'm sure we can gain some nice territory :)

If you agree, I'm going to need you pull away from 7, 14, and 31 so I can reclaim some lands to further my war effort. This will give you a pathway via 28 to attack into Ermor.

I'm also accepting donations to dispel Arcane Nexus. If you have extra astral gems, please send them my way. If you don't quite trust me, I think Matty would vouch for me in this game. This applies to everyone else who doesn't want to lose as well :)

One more thing. I've been trying to kill my prophet for the past couple of turns (he's mute, blind in one eye, and has a serious chest wound), but he refuses to die. He's moving into 28 this turn. Kindly put some extra PD in here so you can put him out of his misery.

[Trumelunki]

I agree with revenant2, Ermor is doing too well, and if he can keep Arcane Nexus up he will race to victory uncontested.

The mighty nation of Kailasa cancels the non-aggression pact with Ermor right now. I suggest that everyone else also follows the same course.

[mattyburn7]

Rev is correct. Once a nation hits a certain point, there is no stopping him. Ermor is either there or just about there. That gem and research lead combined with arcane nexus on top is a guaranteed game winner.
I'm traveling today, but later today I'll check my gem count and will be happy to contribute. I'll also be sending diplomatic notes out (I owe you one Arco and I also owe you gems in light of all this, but I might be able to get you out of the Tir mess anyway).

[Brain_Caster]

Damn, I cast a neat global enchantment, and suddenly everyone talks about pooling freaking hundreds of gems to dispel it and declaring war on me...

Anyway... as Kailasa just declared war on me and obviously intends to commit the aggressive act of dispelling my ruinously expensive enchantment this very turn, rather than respect the NAP-12, I can't say I'm too fond of the apes right now. The Senate and the People of Ermor loathe oathbreaker.


Thus, in anticipation of Kailasa's dispelling of my Arcane Nexus, I hereby wish to make the following offer to Oceania and Tir na n'Og. This offer can be considered effective from the moment on which the Nexus will be dispelled:


Let's partition Kailasa between the two of you.

Ermoran armies shall fight side by side with TNN's an Oceania's forces, and liberate the people from the monkeys' yoke. Ermor itself understands that such a war would be a much greater effort for the two smaller nations of Oceania and Tir na n'Og, and as such we would be willing to let you have all of Kailasa's provinces, even if Ermor should be the one to shatter Kailasa's armies. PM me, and we'll arrange the details.

With the utmost respect,

Senatus Populusque Ermorus

[Trumelunki]

Nice propaganda :)

I have no intentions of dispelling your Arcane Nexus. Nor am I currently attacking you in any way. Though I shall be happy if someone else does it... Currently any spells cast will make you - the undisputed leader - even stronger.

What I have done is this: I cancelled our non-aggression pact. Whatever happens after the cooldown period will remain to be seen. I trust my fellow players, just check the score graphs and see where the game is heading.

[Brain_Caster]

Nice propaganda :)

I have no intentions of dispelling your Arcane Nexus. Nor am I currently attacking you in any way. Though I shall be happy if someone else does it... Currently any spells cast will make you - the undisputed leader - even stronger.

What I have done is this: I cancelled our non-aggression pact. Whatever happens after the cooldown period will remain to be seen. I trust my fellow players, just check the score graphs and see where the game is heading.

It's quite obvious that you intend to do so, or at least plan to have someone else do it for you next turn. With a spell fuelled by Kailasan gems, I suspect.

And I am not blind to the strategical realities. If Ermor falls, Kailasa will win the game. It is Kailasa which has the greatest interest in forming a coalition against me. Tien Chi is about to be conquere by Abysia, and would be an utter fool to provoce Ermor's ire in addition... unless Kailasa had promised them support, leading Tien Chi to believe Ermor would be too distracted to fight them...

I do not believe the ruler of Tien Chi to be a fool.


Well, Oceania, TNN, allow me to make my counteroffer: If my Arcane Nexus is dispelled, as I've come to expect it will be, by either Kailasa or Tien Chi, I'll assume Kailasa is behind it, and help you take all their povinces. At that point you will both be in a position where you have a chance to win the game.

[mattyburn7]

Could We have a 24 hour delay please. I'm on the road and there is much to digest in this one.

[Trumelunki]

Added 24 hours as requested.

[Trumelunki]

Too much diplomacy. Brain hurts. Need sleep.

(This is really fun though. I have no idea who will attack who and what will happen.)

[Brain_Caster]

Too much diplomacy. Brain hurts. Need sleep.

(This is really fun though. I have no idea who will attack who and what will happen.)

Seconded. On both counts.

Good Night, everyone. I'll count the daggers in my back tomorrow morning. :p

[mattyburn7]

Yes...I think I've been in this game about 3 turns and I've exchanged multiple diplomatic notes with everyone. Fun game..happy to see everyone so into it!

[Happyfungi]

Braincaster, I am the ringleader behind this dispelling because you didn't even respond to my offer of massive amounts gems to order to nuke Tir Na Nog into non-existence. You should have at least said no thanks.

I am converting all of my gems into Astrals to make sure you wasted your casting of Arcane Nexus. I was only sending in my astrals to nuke you, but since you are flinging accusations and threats around, while having ignored me as potential ally I will be using the 300 hundred plus gems I offered you to nuke the hell out of you. It is time to pay for your arrogance.

You are my enemy because you are not my friend.

Kailassa and Oceania are my friends and allies, they listened when I offered gem bribes to fight my enemies. I am releasing them from any further obligation to defend me and my lands. I am only concerned with your destruction. Not for having refused me, but for ignoring me outright.

Anyway I have been slaughtering Tir Na Nog's helpless and defenseless little "geared up thugs" via seductive assassination. It is hard to use an army with no mage support.

[Happyfungi]

And by the way, Braincaster the act of casting arcane nexus is generally considered a declaration of war against all other nations in the game. You basically nullify any oath or NAP when you cast it. Same goes for Burden of Time, Utterdark, Astral Corruption, and to a lesser extent sometimes Forge of the Ancients or Gift of Health.

[Trumelunki]

Hey Happyfungi!

No need to throw your game away. We are all concerned about Ermor getting too powerful to stop. But let's all play to win, even if the win is an extremely remote chance.

I'll make a clear statement. Kailasa is at war with Tir na n'Og and allied with Arcoscephale. Partly because we made a deal Arcoscephale - partly because Tir na n'Og was not interested in making a hidden deal in the future against Ermor. We will use soft power to annoy the power hungry Ermor, but will not attack - for now.

I will also want to say this. I will not hold it against the player if you decide to backstab me. I think it's in the spirit of this game - there can only be one winner! I hope you all understand this. However, if anyone decides to backstab me I will of course retaliate with full force!

Good luck to all!

[Happyfungi]

Hey Happyfungi!

No need to throw your game away. We are all concerned about Ermor getting too powerful to stop. But let's all play to win, even if the win is an extremely remote chance.



If he goes unchecked he wins, I have no chance of winning against him if he keeps up his killer global. I intend to win this game, I would not have taken on such a challenge just to lie down and give up all hope of winning, unlike my only enemy other than Ermor. Yes Tir Na Nog I am taling to you. I don't know what the last Arco player did you make you want to give up and lose the larger game just to destroy Arco. You simply don't give a damn about winning if you aren't full bore attacking Ermor with everything you have right now. I am and that is via my gem reserves.

Which would have been Ermor's had he not been so arrogant as to ignore my humble request to destroy you from afar.

Any player worth their salt knows who to attack at this stage of the game, if they really want to win. That is the player who will win if left unmolested, any player who is unwilling to work to crush Ermor is a quitter and a fool and should not be playing Dominions at all.

Winning is Everything your Pretender will die lost and forgotten if you fail to win, your goal is to achieve Supreme Godhood. If you aren't able to attack Ermor directly you should be sending crafted items and gems to those who are able to attack Ermor. If you don't like that idea you should be casting remote attack spells and province disrupting and unrest causing spells onto Ermor's lands. As long as Ermor sits upon it's lofty throne no one else can win and if you are not playing to win why are you even playing.

Ermor is playing to win. I say let the cowardly players continue to pick away at non entities since they will achieve nothing but derision and a bad name for themselves. Who would ever ally with someone who is unwilling or unable to see when the Void is Screaming their name with Ermor's lips. Let the losers who want to lose, waste their time on frivolous antics.

If the players who want to win, are able to overthrow the nightmare that is Ermor. They can all gang up without mercy on any player who didn't try from the very beginning to take to down the rogue Pretender who wanted to destroy Your Pretender. That is it He wants you ALL dead, while he may offer you lands and "partitions" what he is really selling you is your own slow humiliating death by cowardice. All I can say is "Die, cowards, Die the death of shame of having been kept around as Ermor's play toys."

I'll be converting those gems now to astral pearls to be used for Ermor killing. I can read the writing on the wall and it says" Kill Ermor or Die a Fool and a Coward."

[Happyfungi]

Any allies I paid with gems should keep those gems and use them to fight Ermor. I will not insist that my allies Attack Tir Na Nog anymore. If you want to because of your own reasons that is up to you, you are no longer bound in anyway to feel obligated to me.

Basically if he isn't with us (us I would assume is every other player in game except for Ermor) then he is against us and I have no trouble with continuing to fight him and will work in what little ways I can with his enemies. If he isn't with us and you can't for some reason attack ermor yet I say we wipe him from the board as he will just backstab and betray to settle for second, third, or foruth in a game that has only two outcomes, Godhood or death.

If Tir Na Nog is with us, I will only ask to take back the lands adjacent to my capitol and the one lone land that is left behind my lines. I will concede all other lands I have lost to Tir Na Nog until the turn Ermor is eliminated. I vow to keep complete and total peace with Tir Na Nog and all other players until Ermor is dead. Then we can go back to doing what we all do best making our Pretenders Gods through forced conversion of the little people and the destruction of our more evenly matched enemies.

[revenant2]

I'm 100% focused on going after Ermor. I don't have much of a prayer of winning this game, but I know the fastest way to lose is to let Ermor stand unchecked, so I'm going to do everything in my power to stop him.

Anyone who has a NAP with him now has a legitimate cause to immediately terminate their NAPs with him due to the game winning nature of the global, i.e., you have Casus beli.

My only question is who is going to dispel his global? I can do it, although I don't have enough gems. I'll happily give them to someone else or accept donations to do it on everyone's behalf, but let's decide who will be the caster so we can send in the gems this turn. The less turns he has to accumulate astral gems the better.

[revenant2]

Great job with the astral gem donation everyone! Dispel coming next turn.

[Brain_Caster]

Just out of curiosity: How many of you guys currently ganging up on me in my very first non-duel newbie multi-player game are actually newbies?

[Trumelunki]

Just out of curiosity: How many of you guys currently ganging up on me in my very first non-duel newbie multi-player game are actually newbies?

This is my first multiplayer game of Dominions 3 ever!

However, I played in 3 multiplayer games of Dominions 2 like - hmm checking - 7 years ago! I never got into endgame though :( And just to record some history. I actually played in one game with that guy who had found a way to cheat in Dominions 2, can't remember the name. Was quite an incident around that time.

[Brain_Caster]

Just out of curiosity: How many of you guys currently ganging up on me in my very first non-duel newbie multi-player game are actually newbies?

This is my first multiplayer game of Dominions 3 ever!

However, I played in 3 multiplayer games of Dominions 2 like - hmm checking - 7 years ago! I never got into endgame though :( And just to record some history. I actually played in one game with that guy who had found a way to cheat in Dominions 2, can't remember the name. Was quite an incident around that time.
I was primarily talking about the guys who joined up as subs for the ones who left. Since I'm rather certain most of them aren't newbies.

As for you, I suppose you should be congratulated for doing so well in your first game (I suppose I should be congratulated too :)). Did you do a lot of reading on the forums beforehand?

[Trumelunki]

Just out of curiosity: How many of you guys currently ganging up on me in my very first non-duel newbie multi-player game are actually newbies?

This is my first multiplayer game of Dominions 3 ever!

However, I played in 3 multiplayer games of Dominions 2 like - hmm checking - 7 years ago! I never got into endgame though :( And just to record some history. I actually played in one game with that guy who had found a way to cheat in Dominions 2, can't remember the name. Was quite an incident around that time.
I was primarily talking about the guys who joined up as subs for the ones who left. Since I'm rather certain most of them aren't newbies.

As for you, I suppose you should be congratulated for doing so well in your first game (I suppose I should be congratulated too :)). Did you do a lot of reading on the forums beforehand?


Congratulations for you too! And yes, I did do lots of reading. That's what I always do. When I get excited about something - usually some game or another - I spend my all spare moments at home (and at work...) thinking and reading about the subject. If I ever would have get so excited about my studies. sigh..

I suppose this is how most strategy game players operate. My main hobby btw is the game of go, any other go-players in the game?

[mattyburn7]

Oceania's intentions are still murky. We have played a number of mp games but have not been close to winning any yet.

[Trumelunki]

Some people seem to have to trouble remembering who is who playing, so just as reminder here is the current cast:

TimeLegend Tir Na n'Og
Brain_Caster Ermor
Happyfungi Arcoscephale
revenant2 Tien Chi
Trumelunki Kailasa
GoodKnight Abysia
mattyburn7 Oceania

[revenant2]

Great job with the astral gem donation everyone! Dispel coming next turn.

The dispel failed.

We used 482 astral gems (see below). After the game is over, I'd be curious to know how many gems BC used to power AN.

http://i.imgur.com/Ht7yZ6S.jpg

[TimeLegend]

I would like to say this to Brain_Caster, that I would indeed take him on that offer if for no other reason then Kailasa is already quite well going for my throat as it is.

As for you Kailasa *Does a graceful bow* I shall personal welcome the visiting god to my humble home.

[revenant2]

I was primarily talking about the guys who joined up as subs for the ones who left. Since I'm rather certain most of them aren't newbies.



I've only completed four MP games, so I still consider myself fairly inexperienced. However, I won three out of those four, so I don't really consider a newbie either :)

I didn't realize this was a newbie game until after I subbed or I probably would have stayed away. Honestly, I was expecting to be absolutely crushed when I joined (that's one of the reasons I subbed actually), but I ended up surviving somehow. I still have no hope of winning, but I figure I'll learn a few things in the process.

[Trumelunki]

Hah, well played Brain_Caster! You did not take chances with Arcane Nexus. It really was a declaration of victory.

There is not much to say. Kailasa declares war on Ermor. Tir has already declared for Ermor. Anyone who is not against Ermor and Tir will be considered an enemy.

Good luck to all!

[mattyburn7]

Is it considered " gamely" to attack an allies pd with " sickle whose crop is pain" and then retreat to get death gems and do it over and over?

[Trumelunki]

Ermor: With your gem lead. Is it really necessary to have a commander with the "sickle whose crop is pain" attack Tir Na PD to gobble up gems and then retreat. Its possible some might look at that as an exploit

Naah - maybe more like smart play? Just proves my hunch. Tir and Ermor had an alliance from long time back.

The game looks difficult for sure. I think removing Tir na n'Og as fast as possible would not be a bad move. Maybe Abysia might help there?

[GoodKnight]

Well that depends.. Tir do we have an NAP?
I'm not in the habit of breaking thous..
If we do ummm.. Consider it null and void :D

I'll set myself on trying to figure out if we do have one in place.
If you happen to know please PM me or something :D

GL!

[GoodKnight]

O and Ermor! I want my gems back!
lol you never responded to my PM on Desura..

[revenant2]

Is it considered " gamely" to attack an allies pd with " sickle whose crop is pain" and then retreat to get death gems and do it over and over?

I know some folks do, although it's subjective.

[TimeLegend]

Well that depends.. Tir do we have an NAP?
I'm not in the habit of breaking thous..
If we do ummm.. Consider it null and void :D

I'll set myself on trying to figure out if we do have one in place.
If you happen to know please PM me or something :D

GL!

We do it was a NAP-3...

But why I thought we were friends? :'(

[GoodKnight]

Well that depends.. Tir do we have an NAP?
I'm not in the habit of breaking thous..
If we do ummm.. Consider it null and void :D

I'll set myself on trying to figure out if we do have one in place.
If you happen to know please PM me or something :D

GL!

We do it was a NAP-3...

But why I thought we were friends. :'(
Well we are a fire nation.. And as such we must consume fuel..

So you have now been relabeled to fuel :D
Also you didn't join the attack on Ermor? I think?

It's kind of hard to follow the deplo in this game because the PM system is really crap on shrapnel..
In Desura you can have group PMs.. here you can send 1 PM to a group of people but the response is to one person..

[mattyburn7]

Nope. Tir na appears to be a vassal

[mattyburn7]

Of course they are kicking my butt right now!!

[TimeLegend]

Of course they are kicking my butt right now!!

Huh? Is Ermor fighting you now?

[mattyburn7]

No. I meant you are kicking my butt..though it has been just a few skirmishes. That one guy of yours is tough!

[mattyburn7]

Can you delay 24 hours please?

[TimeLegend]

Can you delay 24 hours please?
Done.

[Brain_Caster]

GoodKnight, I just checked my account on desura, and you never wrote me anything... or at least whatever you wrote didn't arrive. :(

(For that matter, did you receive my message on desura? Specifically the one were I offered to bomb TC's capital for you before you declared war on me?)

As for the gems... hmm, you just gave those to me, without condition. Am I obligated by the rules of the game to pay them back? If I'm not, then obviously I'm not going to, since you already declared war on me.

[GoodKnight]

The condition was I get them back whenever I would need them :)


url anchor GoodKnight_IL May 8 2013, 5:40pm said:
No need just return them to me when you can or if I need them (you can take your time about it as well)
Will 20 S help?

url anchor Brain_Caster May 8 2013, 5:59pm said:
Sure. How soon do you want them back?

Bam :)

And I would say yes since it is kind of like a trade and trades are binding.
But what say we leave it up for admin to decide?

To admin I don't really really care I don't have much to do with 20S but it's the principal I guess.. Plus I'm Jewish so I can't help it :)

[Trumelunki]

The condition was I get them back whenever I would need them :)


url anchor GoodKnight_IL May 8 2013, 5:40pm said:
No need just return them to me when you can or if I need them (you can take your time about it as well)
Will 20 S help?

url anchor Brain_Caster May 8 2013, 5:59pm said:
Sure. How soon do you want them back?

Bam :)

And I would say yes since it is kind of like a trade and trades are binding.
But what say we leave it up for admin to decide?

To admin I don't really really care I don't have much to do with 20S but it's the principal I guess.. Plus I'm Jewish so I can't help it :)

Although I was not the original creator of this game's rules I will still voice my opinion.

My ruling is this. This was a trade of sorts, so the gems need to be returned. One part of the returning condition was the phrase 'if I need them' so Abysia only needs to claim that he needs the gems. However, because Abysia added the clause 'you can take your time about it as well', they need not be returned immediately. I would judge that returning them in say 2-3 turns would satisfy the terms of the agreement

[revenant2]

Specifically the one were I offered to bomb TC's capital for you before you declared war on me?)


I'm patting myself on the back for putting up those domes. I knew something sinister was afoot.

[GoodKnight]

lol I'm ok with the ruling since it was my intention to help Ermor out..

[Trumelunki]

I added time to prevent Oceania staling (accidentally added bit too much, doesn't really matter I hope).

[Brain_Caster]

My ruling is this. This was a trade of sorts, so the gems need to be returned. One part of the returning condition was the phrase 'if I need them' so Abysia only needs to claim that he needs the gems. However, because Abysia added the clause 'you can take your time about it as well', they need not be returned immediately. I would judge that returning them in say 2-3 turns would satisfy the terms of the agreement

That sounds reasonable enough to me. But still, could we please find a judge who isn't part of the game? I suspect his or her ruling won't differ from yours, but at least I'll not feel like I'm needlessly giving up an advantage by paying back the gems.


I also have some bad news, unfortunately. We currently have a slight flooding problem here in Passau, south-eastern Germany, and there is a chance that in about 12 hours I'll be able to take a bath in my living room. Not sure yet how high the water will rise, but currently it seems like that's a possibility. Chances are my internet connection will be... compromised... by that point.


Could the admin please increase the hosting interval to 1 week until I can contact you again? If I'm lucky, the water won't actually rise that high, and I'll send in my next turn as usual. If not, then you'll hear from me as soon as I have dry feet again.

[Trumelunki]

I'll add as much time as needed Brain_Caster. Could you keep us informed on the situation if possible?

Now about the trade deal. Let's see if we can find some forum regualar...

[ghoul31]

I'll add as much time as needed Brain_Caster. Could you keep us informed on the situation if possible?

Now about the trade deal. Let's see if we can find some forum regualar...

from what I understand he borrowed 20 gems. Borrowing isn't trading.

[mattyburn7]

Thanks for the delay. I probably could have gotten turn in tonight, but the extra time helps (going through several things, though not as seriuos as what brain_caster is going through).
I should have it in Monday afternoon...or monday night...or may get delayed to Tuesday morning, but will definetly get it in before deadline.
Thanks!

[GoodKnight]

I'll add as much time as needed Brain_Caster. Could you keep us informed on the situation if possible?

Now about the trade deal. Let's see if we can find some forum regualar...

from what I understand he borrowed 20 gems. Borrowing isn't trading.

Still a deal is a deal.. Plus I asked him before I declared war and he didn't respond..

Again not really worth arguing over it is just the case of setting a president.. If you guys think it's ok for him not to return them then I will be more careful in the future.

[Happyfungi]

I'll add as much time as needed Brain_Caster. Could you keep us informed on the situation if possible?

Now about the trade deal. Let's see if we can find some forum regualar...

from what I understand he borrowed 20 gems. Borrowing isn't trading.

Borrowing is trading for the same amount of gems as you will send back in the future.

Brain_Caster I hope you don't get hit by the flood.

[ghoul31]

I'll add as much time as needed Brain_Caster. Could you keep us informed on the situation if possible?

Now about the trade deal. Let's see if we can find some forum regualar...

from what I understand he borrowed 20 gems. Borrowing isn't trading.

Borrowing is trading for the same amount of gems as you will send back in the future.

Brain_Caster I hope you don't get hit by the flood.

If borrowing was the same as trading, then they would be one word

But they are two different words because they mean two different things.

And if America Borrowed something from Germany just before WWII. I don't think they would give it back after the war started.

[Trumelunki]

Why are you fighting on terminology? We should be talking about what the 'Trades are binding' means.

There was nothing about whether trades really are binding or not in the original post. When asked - I just made a ruling based on what is the multiplayer standard in this post. And yes, Time_Legend sort of threw the admin responsibility to me so I believe I had the right to make the call.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=820058&postcount=134

Now here is my interpretation. If you agree to some trade, the sending of gems/items part is binding. It does not matter why you agree to send that stuff or whether it makes any sense to do so. You have to do it.

Here is a thread from another forum which tries to explain the idea clearly.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=726

Now, when you borrow some gems, there is an agreement that the lender sends some gems and then later the borrower sends them back. Both of these actions are binding, and are not affected on whether the parties are at war or not.

[ghoul31]

"Trade agreements in this context are defined as any simple trades that are completed within a few turns"


It wasn't a trade it was a borrow, and it wasn't completed in a few turns.


So it doesn't count on either point.

[GoodKnight]

Do you guys want me to ask Cal or Maer?
(for those of you who don't know they are the most veteran in the community.. That I know of :) )

[Trumelunki]

"Trade agreements in this context are defined as any simple trades that are completed within a few turns"


It wasn't a trade it was a borrow, and it wasn't completed in a few turns.


So it doesn't count on either point.

I don't care about whether it was called a borrow or trade. It was an agreement that exchanged gems for gems.

But you have a valid point in that it was not clearly very simple and it was not completed in a few turns.

For example, I would still hold that an agreement to borrow X gems for 2-3 turns would be binding.

I will have to agree that you have some good points and this might be a borderline case. I will withdraw my first judgement and wait till I hear some more opinions.

[GoodKnight]

I'm biased of course :D But I'm in the idea that it is binding since gems did change hands and there was an agreement.

But in my opinion anything that includes gems and items in it is a trade agreement. If it was agreed that they would be returned in a few turns they should be returned..

Just my 2 cents I'd be glad to ask Maer and Cal if you guys want.

[Happyfungi]

Cal or Maer have probably run across this before, I would ask Maer first though, I think cal has a lot on his plate right now.

ghoul31 may be right he has been around a long time, but I also know ghoul31 likes a good argument. I am not sure if he is practicing his semantics or if he is trying to help.

[Trumelunki]

Awesome TimeLegend and congratulations!

You beat me fair and square with superior tactics. I have to admit it did not cross my mind that one spell could be that devastating for my army. Well it shows how much there is to learn in this game.

For others, I guess - the not that mighty anymore - Kailasa will continue the fight, but maybe from a little more defensive position now.

Arcane Domination and magic beings do not mix very well.

[mattyburn7]

Not sure what was a sadder butchery...the Red Wedding on a Game of Thrones or the army battling itself on the fields of Tir Na

[GoodKnight]

Not sure what was a sadder butchery...the Red Wedding on a Game of Thrones or the army battling itself on the fields of Tir Na

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o

[revenant2]

Cal or Maer have probably run across this before, I would ask Maer first though, I think cal has a lot on his plate right now.

ghoul31 may be right he has been around a long time, but I also know ghoul31 likes a good argument. I am not sure if he is practicing his semantics or if he is trying to help.

I'm not exactly sure what the agreement was with BC, but the "trades are binding" pertain to clear-cut item trades like "I'll give you 20 gems for item X". This rule is in effect due to the imitations in how turns are processed. Without it, nobody would trade items with each other because it would be real easy to take advantage of someone.

The deal with GK and BC appears to be outside that scope and shouldn't be regulated in my view. This isn't to say BK doesn't have a grievance, but Dominions 3 is a Machiavellian game and you need to watch your back. I would have asked for the gems back and then declared war afterward :)

Just remember who you deal with so the next time you play, you know who not to trust.

[revenant2]

Awesome TimeLegend and congratulations!

You beat me fair and square with superior tactics. I have to admit it did not cross my mind that one spell could be that devastating for my army. Well it shows how much there is to learn in this game.

For others, I guess - the not that mighty anymore - Kailasa will continue the fight, but maybe from a little more defensive position now.

Arcane Domination and magic beings do not mix very well.

There are several nasty battlefield spells out there that can cause a lot of devastation if you're not careful. If you're susceptible to a tactic, you need to keep your eyes open for when your opponent will use it and then counter it. For something like AD, that would probably be Will of Fates to bump up the MR of your troops, or if you're desperate cast AD after your opponent to try to seize back your troops. You can also just not use low MR troops until you have a counter -- or try to soften him up first with remote attack/assassination spells.

[Trumelunki]

There are several nasty battlefield spells out there that can cause a lot of devastation if you're not careful. If you're susceptible to a tactic, you need to keep your eyes open for when your opponent will use it and then counter it. For something like AD, that would probably be Will of Fates to bump up the MR of your troops, or if you're desperate cast AD after your opponent to try to seize back your troops. You can also just not use low MR troops until you have a counter -- or try to soften him up first with remote attack/assassination spells.

Let's face it. I had checked alteration (I knew Tir had researched that one to high level) but simple had completely missed that spell. Never used it - never had seen anybody use it. I was pretty confident against any 'normal' Tir na n'Og tricks. This game is quite amazing with all these tricks and counter-tricks.

[revenant2]

Awesome TimeLegend and congratulations!

You beat me fair and square with superior tactics. I have to admit it did not cross my mind that one spell could be that devastating for my army. Well it shows how much there is to learn in this game.

For others, I guess - the not that mighty anymore - Kailasa will continue the fight, but maybe from a little more defensive position now.

Arcane Domination and magic beings do not mix very well.

There are several nasty battlefield spells out there that can cause a lot of devastation if you're not careful. If you're susceptible to a tactic, you need to keep your eyes open for when your opponent will use it and then counter it. For something like AD, that would probably be Will of Fates to bump up the MR of your troops, or if you're desperate cast AD after your opponent to try to seize back your troops. You can also just not use low MR troops until you have a counter -- or try to soften him up first with remote attack/assassination spells.

Correction: I meant Antimagic and not Will of Fates (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Antimagic), although luck might help as well (never really tested luck with this type of spell, so I'm not 100%).

[GoodKnight]

Well I talked to Maer I have no problem showing his ruling but his words are a bit harsh. He is a nice guy he was just having a rainy day as he put it..

So I have the IRC transcript saved..
It's up to you guys if I show it or not.. And until you ok it I will not share the ruling..

Edit:
I'm gonna wait on giving his ruling want to make sure it's ok by him for me to use the transcript..

[GoodKnight]

OK after a long discussion on the IRC it ended like this..
1 1 1..

meaning 1 binding 1 not binding 1 obstaning.. dom3 in a nutshell.

Maer kind of exploded so I'll ask him tomorrow when he is more relaxed.
He gave a ruling (In my favor (I think(like 99%))) But I want to give him some more time to think on it. and a clearer answer.