Why no US special forces?

[retiredgysgt]

I am curious, I know they dont do a lot of fighting but in Vietnam they did.

[DRG]

They are covered under the Rangers. The two have basically the same mission IN THE GAME and would have the same EXP and MOR modifiers

https://taskandpurpose.com/culture/special-forces-green-berets-army-rangers/#:~:text=The%20Rangers'%20initial%20purpose%20was, though%20updates%20have%20been%20implemented.

Yes they are different but game-wise the same

[retiredgysgt]

the Green Beret were very active in Vietnam. And there are no US rangers in the TO for that period.

[retiredgysgt]

Vietnam years are mostly what I play I try the Israelis too but in the early years it is tough cause the arab tanks are cheap and better then the Israeli tanks.

[DRG]

the Green Beret were very active in Vietnam. And there are no US rangers in the TO for that period.

I just checked and true enough there are none between the end of Korea and the end of Vietnam...... IDK why and this is the first time someone has pointed it out

On the list to investigate


EDIT...... FWIW there are LRP formations between 1967 and 1973

[retiredgysgt]

well the rangers were disbanded after Korea and while I have found reference to them in Vietnam no actual unit size or composition was listed. They were probably brought back in 74 and are available then in game I think

[retiredgysgt]

the Green Beret were very active in Vietnam. And there are no US rangers in the TO for that period.

I just checked and true enough there are none between the end of Korea and the end of Vietnam...... IDK why and this is the first time someone has pointed it out

On the list to investigate


EDIT...... FWIW there are LRP formations between 1967 and 1973

well I mostly play the South Vietnamese anyway. I make an armored cav battalion and then buy helos and buy rangers for the support in the battles.

[retiredgysgt]

with 1250 for support I can buy a SV ranger Battalion of 3-line companies.

[DRG]

If you have info, please share. The main work on this OOB and these units was done over 2 decades ago and if someone doesn't complain, we don't go looking for things to fix

According to WIKI



RE LRRP units

On 1 January 1969, under the new U.S. Army Combat Arms Regimental System (CARS), these units were redesignated "Ranger" in South Vietnam within the 75th Infantry Regiment (Ranger) and all replacement personnel were mandatory airborne qualified.[31][32] Fifteen companies of Rangers were raised from LRRP units, which had been performing missions in Europe since the early 1960s and in Vietnam since 1966


ANYONE else want's to chime in about this please do. It appears we have most of what we want but with different naming conventions but dates need tweaking

[retiredgysgt]

I found reference to I believe 75th rangers in several readings I did but I dont remember seeing any TOand E for them I assume it was a battalion.

[DRG]

I will take much more time when I get time to look into this but it APPEARS if we end LRP ( now named LRRP ) to end 12/1968 then make the ranger formations after Korea to start January 1969 instead of Jan 1974 this fixes the problem ( that and push the LRRP start date back a bit.. MAYBE 1/63 )

[retiredgysgt]

If you have info, please share. The main work on this OOB and these units was done over 2 decades ago and if someone doesn't complain, we don't go looking for things to fix

According to WIKI



RE LRRP units

On 1 January 1969, under the new U.S. Army Combat Arms Regimental System (CARS), these units were redesignated "Ranger" in South Vietnam within the 75th Infantry Regiment (Ranger) and all replacement personnel were mandatory airborne qualified.[31][32] Fifteen companies of Rangers were raised from LRRP units, which had been performing missions in Europe since the early 1960s and in Vietnam since 1966


ANYONE else want's to chime in about this please do. It appears we have most of what we want but with different naming conventions but dates need tweaking

you are quick and good most of my research was on armored cav for south Vietnam and some ranger research for South Vietnam.

[DRG]

The "FIX" is simple for the formations ( 4 ADJUSTMENTS )

But the UNITS used require adjusting as well and that will require more care and double checking for "collateral damage" issues

[DRG]

I have this fixed now.

LRRP formations and the units used now run 1/63- 12/68

Rangers ( Post Korea ) now start 1/69 instead of 1/74 and that required a number of unit start dates changed as well ( after weapons availability checks ).

This corrects an error 2 decades old but there is better, more precise info now than 20 years ago

[retiredgysgt]

I have this fixed now.

LRRP formations and the units used now run 1/63- 12/68

Rangers ( Post Korea ) now start 1/69 instead of 1/74 and that required a number of unit start dates changed as well ( after weapons availability checks ).

This corrects an error 2 decades old but there is better, more precise info now than 20 years ago

I play a lot of Vietnam stuff so appreciate the adds, though lately it has mostly been either early with the French or later with the South Vietnamese. The reason I ask about Green Beret is because they had a lot to do with the special forces of the South and I was wondering why they weren't around.

[DRG]

If you DO NOT PBEM

AND **IF** You are comfortable using MOBHack

******** LRRP

Change formation 007 , 038 and 253
Start date 1/63
End Date 12/68
Rename LRP to LRRP

UNIT 443 name LRRP Patrol
Start date 1/63
End Date 12/68

Change Experience and Morale modifiers to 12

================================================== =======================

************ Rangers

Ranger Pl Formation 65 and 87 Ranger Co
Start date 1/69

UNIT 167 Ranger Squad
Start date 1/69

UNIT 426 Ranger Patrol
Start date 1/69

UNIT 969 Ranger LAW Team
Start date 1/69

If you want "Green Berets" rename them in the game when you set up a battle. I know they are not the exact same in RL but they would be set up the same in the game

If you do PBEM ignore all that.....

[zovs66]

I just happened to be doing some research on the Rangers and got a nice tome covering 1942-1987. I can provide some info if needed.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

From the Revolutionary War to the Present from the only source that matters the U.S. Army. And they were in Korea as companies attached to regular Army Regiments. This isn't long and might modify a couple of things but also validate others.

Never play USA without a Ranger unit. And currently we have a Retired Major from the Rangers working with us seems like a good guy and he certainly "can have my back anytime." :D
https://www.army.mil/ranger/heritage.html

Regards,
Pat
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