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FASTBOAT TOUGH February 12th, 2011 07:37 PM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Again "raw" data from the final patch post for 2010/2011.

AC-130U TIME TO...
C1. CHANGE: USMC/AC-130U SPOOKY/UNIT 573/Name AC-130U SPOOKY to AC-130U+4 SPOOKY/End Date to DEC 2010 vice DEC 2020/
In the eyes of the USAF this was a failed attempt to remove the 25mm and 40mm and replace it with the 30mm. This was conversion was only done on 4 of the 17 operational SPOOKYS. Part of the reason the conversion was due to the maintenance and ammo requirements of the 25mm and 40mm. The other, the 30mm was found to be inaccurate and thus "operationally unsuitable" The USMC has other thoughts about this (30mm) but you'll have to wait until my first Patch Post for 2012 to find out why.
Great overview of the issue at hand and at the bottom is the reason I started the thread in the first place.
Detailed background on the project.

A1. ADD: USA/AC-130H SPECTRE/JAN 1998 - DEC 2020/Use USA UNIT 564for the base./
These never stopped flying and are in service (8) for the foreseeable future. This "new" unit is at least electronically comparable to the current AC-130U (TI/GSR etc.). However and if time allows before the deadline, the AC-130 will be advanced further electronically and in weaponry (VIPER STRIKE ATGW) as well with information I have.
If not I'll present it for next year.

Comparison between SPECTRE and SPOOKY. Note weapons and ammo info.
As immediately above.
Gets into the electronic issue in greater detail.
A little history from the guys who flew them.

Jets and Planes but...
A1. ADD: EQUADOR/CHEETAH C/JAN 2011/Use SOUTH AFICAN UNITS 154& 336 for the base./ Retired by the SAAF in 2008, the planes have been maintained in storage for surplus sales purposes. Used JAN 2011 since Ecuador has been involved with these planes in both South Africa and at home for over a year.
Reports the buy.
Does the same and details it as well. It'll show these to be upgraded versions of the CHEETAH C as well.

A2. ADD: THAILAND/GRIPEN C (TJAS 39C)/OCT 2011/Use SWEDISH UNITS 327- 329 for the base./ These are brand new fighters. The GRIPEN C is the single seat 4th generation interceptor version.
http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fig...000532001.aspx A good quick look.

A3. ADD: THAILAND/GRIPEN D (TJAS 39D)/OCT 2011/Use SWEDISH UNITS NONE (?) for the base./ As above except that the GRIPEN D is the two seat 4th generation fighter-bomber version with heavier payload.
As above. The rest below cover the deal plus more for both.
When you can get the full articles they're hard to beat.
SAAB comes to Thailand in partnership deal.
Thailand orders more GRIPEN C fighters.
Click on tabs at top for further info.
Homepage that'll allow you too find info on all current user nations.

Though older, provides good background info note chart to left (Normal feature of site.) weapons section.

This is strictly a prototype/demonstrator craft.

C1. CHANGE: RUSSIA/Su-50/UNIT963/Name to either Su PAK FA or Su-50 PAK FA vice Su-50./
This might avoid confusion with the T-50 that was the prototype and puts it in line with net searches as normally known simply as PAF FA.
Posts #3; #5 and #9.


Marcello February 13th, 2011 04:26 AM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 770966)
Lot's of news here:
1. Was the J-20 "combat" video rigged?

That would actually be the J-10, which is a rather different beast: a cheap export fighter, though perhaps it could be used to boost numbers as the J-7 retires.
The J-20 is still far away from any kind of "combat test".
As for what happened, I would reckon that the PR department thought that the footage of J-10 shooting at a drone was not sexy enough.

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 13th, 2011 01:36 PM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Thank you Marcello, I stand corrected.


FASTBOAT TOUGH February 20th, 2011 02:51 PM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
The news of the week.

How to help kill the troubled F-35 program, recover and then continue the debate anyway.

1. We want the second engine for redundancy and to protect jobs.

2. Almost made it but, the House kills it in the end.

3. But could a little "dejueve" still happen? Remember the F-16 had the same problem. Here's that story and as it might apply to the F-35 still.

4. Costs have reached a major tipping point.
Anyone who assumes any program is safe had better read the updates I've posted concerning MEADS in the Patriot update thread.

Now for the only true 5th Gen fighter out there for now anyway.

1. F-22 gets a whole lot of $love$.

2. F-22 update of the program and overview.

A400M begins air refueling trials.

APKWS II coming to a HARRIER and A-10 near you!
Well with the success in combat of the USMC laser guided APKWS on the AH-1W and soon AH-1Z it was only a matter of time before the much more accurate and thus more concentrated fire power of the system would make it's way to jets. I only wonder is the USA maybe going to second guess itself down the road and put them on the APACHES?

The surprise of the week the V-22 OSPREY, perception now vs reality.

The stupidity award goes to the U.K. how in the world can a right minded military do this when so many are so close to finishing their quals?
Got this off the "did".com site as above for APKWS article.


FASTBOAT TOUGH February 27th, 2011 03:04 AM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
The news of the past week.

1. A perspective of why the U.S. wants Asia to buy American.

2. Naval version of EUROFIGHTER (TYPHOON) debuts @ Aero India 2011.

3. Jordon to convert 2 CN-235 medium transport planes into light gunships (As compared to SPECTRE and SPOOKY gunships.). The USAF & USMC looking at the same as I've already eluded to (For next year.) in this thread and the AC-130 Time to Upgrade? thread. These are roll on roll off suites. The USMC KC-130J will soon be used in that role and will still maintain one refueling pod as well to perform that function as well. See Post #21 above on USAF and USMC efforts.

4. Israel doing what it does best, upgrading equipment and making it much better.

5. SAAB GRIPENS arrive in Thailand.

6. Japan working towards it's own fighter. How will they get there though?
Off the "did.com" site.

7. India looking to phase out it's MiG 17 and MiG 27 fighters by 2017. Will they get there it's hard to say given the issues they have procuring systems or "should we or shouldn't we" over the years.

Note to self, follow up for 2011/2012 campaign.

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 7th, 2011 01:53 AM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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News of last week.

Well for a thread I was hesitant to start it's been the most active in development of new systems and procurement and I think could have the most inputs for the 2011/2012 campaign.

1. I will slow down on the F-35 but it met a major milestone this week and there arose an issue in procurement with Canada. But the program I feel is all of a sudden out of the woods, it's amazing how cutting a few high profile programs will motivate others to get their poop together. And I'm all about motivation. So I'm going to limit things to major milestones, projected procurement issues and fielding of the F-35.

A. I'm in this group to some small degree (As some might guess.) but it goes to what I mentioned above.

1. The first production F-35 makes a successful flight.

I really like the above site he's not afraid to put his opinions out there with the information to back it up.

2. Canada debating the procurement of the F-35 due to cost delays against budget for it.

B. India could come to a decision this week in the MMRCA program.
This will represent one of the largest procurement programs ever made if the numbers hold. And that procurement goes beyond just jets to include weapons and support.

C. Chinese J-20 not all that, at least for now?

D. Frances A400M on the cusp to reach production.

E. S. Korea to step up it's FX-111 procurement program by one year in lue of N. Korea military overt actions and force build up and modernization programs.

F. As a reminder let's not forget as I've mentioned elsewhere that the PAK-FA Su-50 [b]is not[b] just a Russian program, it's a joint one that India is very happy to be a part of given recent events with China and the J-20 (See above and on earlier posts here.). A second PAK-FA has just successfully taken to the skies this past week.
Unfortunately when they update you get the poor mans version.
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G. This next makes me feel just :sick: this was not intended to happen but as I mentioned in the MBT thread earlier today the British SDSR plan is cutting deeper than originally planned. The HARRIER was sacrificed (All retired in Dec. 2010.) in the view that the TORNADO was the more viable solution until the F-35 become available to the RAF and RN. This past week it was announced that 13 AND 14 Squadron(s) will be disbanded and stood down on 1 June 2011. And the beat goes on.
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H. A little supposition on my part on the destination the first is fact based. Russian had intended that Libya would be the first export country to get the very capable Su-35. But with the current UN sanctions in place the deal has been canceled for now. Like the S-300 meant for Iran don't be surprised if the Su-35 doesn't go to Venezuela :shock: as well.
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Done for another week, hope you all have a great one!!

Follow up for the FX-111 program AND 2011/2012 campaign.

Noticed when "timed out" as happened with this post and an earlier one, when logging back in (Using the middle box, not the log in at upper right.) and hoping
something is there, it now is, the full post where left off at.
Somebody must have fixed something so thank you from this "hunt and peck" (I was tempted.) person.

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 8th, 2011 02:50 AM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Here's the follow up to yesterday (Sunday) concerning the S. Korean XF-111
Program for your info.

Refs touch on Japanese stealth program, hope to have more on that for this weekends news roundup.


FASTBOAT TOUGH March 13th, 2011 03:48 PM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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News of the past week.

1. As promised some background on the Japanese Stealth Fighter program. It can find it's origins in the F-2 program, and the next with the stop gap measures and plan to get to this fighter.
Japan decided to go on it's own after it was unable to attain the F-22. They are considering the F-35 though no firm decision has been made.

Second off the "DID" site as well.
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2. A mixed week of good news and bad for the F-35 but in keeping with my continued approach to the F-35 as outlined last week.

3. Egypt wants to buy 24 new F-16C/D in the latest Block 50/52 configuration.

4. BAE signs contract to produce the APKWS fixed wing rockets for USMC and USAF testing over the next 27 monthes. They are planned for use on both the AV-8B HARRIER and

5. GUARDIAN AMS has started testing with the KC-135 190th Air Refueling Wing. If successful it will be deployed on other types of planes. If not deployed on SPECTRE or SPOOKEY if the program moves on would suggust they have something better. The GUARDIAN is intended for the "slow movers".

Follow up on this.


FASTBOAT TOUGH March 27th, 2011 01:55 AM

Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
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News of the last two weeks.

1. First flight for the GRIPEN D of the RTAF they got them and we have them too now in the game.

2. More on the GUARDIAN System, coming to a "slow mover" near you.

3. The Aussies are hanging tough with the F-35 as are the Canadians, however, in Canada it may have near term ramifications for the current government.

4. The F-22 breaks the sound barrier using a bio fuel, the source of which is revealed (Confirmed.) as well.
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5. It's been coming for sometime now, and now it's finally made official, big changes are being made to Russian Naval Air units.
Off "DID" again.


FASTBOAT TOUGH April 3rd, 2011 04:46 PM

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News of the last week...

1. From a partnership that started with Yakovlev, Italy's Aermacchi has developed one of the most advanced trainers in the world, the M-346 a highly modified version of the YAK-130 Russian trainer. Both can be used as light attack aircraft as well, with the M-346 having nine weapon hard-points on it. The M-346 is so advanced as to allow flight certification for the
F-22. It is now fielded.

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2. Danish DIFAT team looking to improve their fighter capabilities beyond its current F-16s.

3. USAF got the first of its MC-130J COMBAT SHADOW II Spec Op planes with much improved capabilities to penetrate enemy airspace.


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