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WraithLord April 25th, 2010 09:59 AM

MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 15/10/2012]
 
2 Attachment(s)
Note: Due to the forum's single post size limitation the Hall of Honor is now stored in the attached file.


Victorious Nations

All Age Mega Game
Winners: Zeldor - Game:Kingmaker - Players: 63 - Nation: LA Argatha - Mods: custom

Early(89.500000)

EA Sauromatia : 10.00
EA Lanka : 8.00
EA Fomoria : 6.50
EA Mictlan : 5.50
EA Caelum : 5.00
EA Niefelheim : 5.00
EA Kailasa : 5.00
EA Ulm : 4.50
EA Helheim : 4.00
EA C'tis : 3.50
EA Pangaea : 3.00
EA Agartha : 3.00
EA Hinnom : 3.00
EA Atlantis : 3.00
EA Arcoscephale : 2.50
EA T'ien Ch'i : 2.33
EA Yomi : 2.33
EA Marveni : 2.00
EA Vanheim : 1.50
EA Oceania : 1.33
EA R'lyeh : 1.00
EA Abysia : 1.00
Nieflheim : 1.00
EA Arco : 1.00
EA Tien Chi : 1.00
Kailasa : 1.00
Yomi : 1.00
Helheim : 1.00
EA Rlyeh : 0.50

Mid(89.000000)

MA Pythium : 9.00
MA Abysia : 8.00
MA R'lyeh : 6.50
MA Shinuyama : 6.00
MA Jotunheim : 5.50
MA Pangaea : 5.50
MA Ulm : 4.33
MA Ermor : 4.00
MA Mictlan : 4.00
MA Caelum : 3.00
MA Marignon : 2.00
MA Oceania : 2.00
MA C'tis : 2.00
MA Vanheim : 2.00
MA Atlantis : 2.00
Itza : 2.00
MA Bandar Log : 2.00
Vanheim : 2.00
Nehekara : 1.50
MA Machaka : 1.33
MA Man : 1.33
MA Ulm Reborn : 1.00
MA Arcoscephale : 1.00
MA Arga Dis : 1.00
MA Ashdod : 1.00
MA Nehekhara : 1.00
Man : 1.00
Eriu : 1.00
MA Abyssia : 1.00
Pangaea : 1.00
Haida Gwaii : 1.00
Oceania : 1.00
Bretonnia : 1.00
MA T'ien Ch'i : 0.50
MA Agartha : 0.50

Late(59.000000)

LA Ermor : 10.00
LA Mictlan : 4.00
LA R'lyeh : 4.00
LA Midgard : 4.00
LA Utgard : 3.50
LA Ulm : 3.50
LA Patala : 3.50
LA T'ien Ch'i : 3.00
LA Jomon : 3.00
LA Agartha : 2.00
LA Marignon : 2.00
LA Pangaea : 2.00
LA Abysia : 2.00
LA Man : 2.00
LA Atlantis : 1.50
LA Ulm Reborn : 1.00
LA Pythium : 1.00
LA Gath : 1.00
LA Bogarus : 1.00
LA Marginon : 1.00
Agartha : 1.00
Jomon : 1.00
Patala : 1.00
Mictlan : 1.00


Hall of Fame

1 - wraithlord 10.00/142
2 - micah 9.00/141
3 - juffos 8.00/101
4 - executor 7.00/104
5 - isokron 7.00/97
6 - earcaraxe 7.00/54
7 - zeldor 6.50/144
8 - psycho 6.50/83
9 - calmon 6.00/82
10- baalz 6.00/67
11- gfsnl 6.00/50
12- squirrelloid 5.50/61
13- amhazair 5.00/92
14- evilhomer 4.00/46
15- kadelake 4.00/45

WraithLord April 25th, 2010 10:04 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II
 
I need your help plz. Calmon should have 6 wins but I have only 5 games won by him in the DB:
[
Winner: Calmon
Game: The Quick and the Dead
Game Link: unknown
Players: 8
Nation: LA Ermor
Mods: unknown
Era: LA
]

[
Winner: Calmon
Game: Faerun MA PBEM
Game Link: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1
Players: 17
Nation: MA Ermor
Mods: none
Era: MA
]

[
Winner: Calmon
Game: Consecrated Ground
Game Link: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1
Players: 10
Nation: EA Helheim
Mods: Worthy Heroes
Era: EA
]

[
Winner: calmon
Game: Fracture
Game Link: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...=&fpart=1&vc=1
Players: 16
Nation: LA Marignon
Mods: Worthy Heroes
Era: LA
]

[
Winner: Calmon
Game: RAND REDUX
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39174
Players: 13
Nation: MA Ashdod
Mods: CBM
Era: MA
]

Where is his missing win?

Hadrian_II April 25th, 2010 10:47 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II
 
maybe he reported it to tyrant directly, or i made a type in his name one time, i think everyone interested should check if his personal victories are listed correctly.

Trumanator April 26th, 2010 03:14 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II
 
Winner: Baalz
Game: Blood Red
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...light=Bloodred
Players: 10
Nation: Nehekara
Mods: CBM 1.6, Skaven, Ogres, Nehekara, Dwarfs, Jomon Broken, Themiskyra, Alugra
Era: MA

This one is missing.

Also, there are two EA Niefelheims in the list :)

WraithLord April 26th, 2010 03:39 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
OP fixed and updated. Thanks.

Dimaz April 26th, 2010 04:41 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
I don't see all ages Timewarp game where Executor won (don't know if it was osted in the original list).

WraithLord April 26th, 2010 04:45 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
I saw only Kingmaker all age game in the original list.
Care to fill the missing info?
link: ? - Players: ? - Nation: ? - Mods: ?

Dimaz April 26th, 2010 05:26 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
Post 269 in original thread has formatted info.

ano April 26th, 2010 06:38 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
Quote:

Winners: karnoza&executor -game: Beer - Players: 17 - Nations(s): EA Vanheim&EA Mictlan
It was not a team game just a joint win. Two people reached the victory condition simultaneously.

ano April 26th, 2010 06:45 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
And I'll add 2 more which I didn't want to add before because it makes little sense as both games were finished due to exceptional tiredness.

Game: Stasis
Era: MA
Winners: AdmiralZhao(R'lyeh), ano (Shinuyama), karnoza(Ulm)
Mods: Worthy Heroes 1.8

Game: Heracles
Era: LA
Winners: ano(C'tis), karnoza(Caelum), Dragar(Utgard)
Mods: Worthy Heroes 1.8

And thank you, WL, for taking over this work.

WraithLord April 26th, 2010 07:25 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
Thanks ano.

Could you please post the games in the required format?

Winner:
Game:
Game Link:
Players:
Nation:
Mods:
Era:

WraithLord April 26th, 2010 07:30 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ano (Post 742332)
Quote:

Winners: karnoza&executor -game: Beer - Players: 17 - Nations(s): EA Vanheim&EA Mictlan
It was not a team game just a joint win. Two people reached the victory condition simultaneously.

Fixed in db. will be visible in next update.

ano April 26th, 2010 08:21 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
I'm sorry.

Winner: AdmiralZhao, ano, karnoza
Game: Stasis
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=39231
Players: 17
Nation: R'lyeh, Shinuyama, Ulm
Mods: Worthy Heroes 1.8
Era: Middle

Winner: ano, karnoza, Dragar
Game: Heracles
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42434
Players: 15
Nation: C'tis, Caelum, Utgard
Mods: Worthy Heroes 1.8
Era: Late

WraithLord April 26th, 2010 09:19 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
OP updated

Dimaz April 26th, 2010 10:50 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
Timewarp is still missing. It was a really epic game and Executor's hard-earned victory definitely should be in HoF :)

Peacekeeper April 26th, 2010 11:47 AM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
I had 10 minutes to burn before work, so heres Timewarp in the right format. I have all ages in the era but im not sure you have a category for that in your db.

Winner: Executor
Game: Timewarp
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showt...light=Timewarp
Players: 18
Nation: EA C'tis
Mods: SingleAgeComplete, Worthy Heroes 1.8
Era: All ages

Hadrian_II April 26th, 2010 01:09 PM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimaz (Post 742316)
I don't see all ages Timewarp game where Executor won (don't know if it was osted in the original list).

i checked, and timewarp is already added in the db, but i can also see that it is missing from the list. This is the way i added it in the db. (@Wraithlord, maybe Era all is killing the parser)

[
Winner: Executor
Game: Timewarp
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40841
Players: 18
Nation: EA C'tis
Mods: Multi Age,Worthy Heroes
Era: all
]

WraithLord April 26th, 2010 03:51 PM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
yes. this is probably the thing. I made my parser with 3 ages in mind. I might as well add an "all" age. Hopefully, I'll get to this tomorrow evening.

Thanks for all the helpful input. Between your posts you spotted the missing game, gave me the info in the DB format and found the root cause why it's missing. My, if real product users were so helpful - usually they'll just blame the dev. for everything that's not working ;)

Zeldor April 26th, 2010 08:45 PM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 26/04/2010]
 
ano:

You sure those should be reported at all? There are [were, clam times] so many games that ended in draws because people got tired. Getting people/nations like 0.33 wins sounds pointless. With only 2 people left [out of bigger pool] it may make sense to give them 0.5.

WraithLord April 27th, 2010 08:47 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Added new all age section to HoF.
All age games should have 'all' era.
Updated OP.

ano April 27th, 2010 10:22 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Quote:

You sure those should be reported at all? There are [were, clam times] so many games that ended in draws because people got tired. Getting people/nations like 0.33 wins sounds pointless. With only 2 people left [out of bigger pool] it may make sense to give them 0.5.
That's exactly why I didn't post them before and, besides, I don't think the hall of fame reflects many things adequately. But with db it is anyway easier to maintain when all things are calculated manually.
You're right, although OTOH people made much investment in the game, plans etc, devoted much time to it and survived till the end. Is it worth some part of a win point? I think yes. So let these games be here. They both were good and dramatic.

chrispedersen April 28th, 2010 02:34 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Oh are we updating this ...

huh.. cool.. has the Nav game been entered?

Squirrelloid April 28th, 2010 02:21 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen (Post 742616)
Oh are we updating this ...

huh.. cool.. has the Nav game been entered?

I'm not sure that should count, for many many reasons...

Squirrelloid April 28th, 2010 02:25 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Winner: Squirrelloid and Valerius (Tie)
Game: Cripplefight 2: The Lamepire Strikes Back
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44283
Players: 8
Nation: EA Ermor / EA TNN
Mods: CBM 1.6
Era: All-Ages

(I know I posted this in the old thread, but it was among the last posts and it doesn't appear to have been added to the database)

Hadrian_II April 29th, 2010 06:18 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Cripplefight 2 is in the db as the following entry. And it is the last entry of the db.

[
Winner: Squirrelloid,Valerius
Game: Cripple Fight 2
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44283
Players: 8
Nation: EA Ermor,EA Tir na n'Og
Mods: CBM,Multi Age
Era: All
]

Zeldor April 29th, 2010 02:20 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
ano:

But then we'd have to put here tens of games that ended this way. No one even bothered to report them. No one even bothered declaring top remaining players as victorious. As there was no victory. No one was able to win, nothing to talk about. And yeah, I also hate getting nothing for 50 or more turns of hard work. And games ends because people turn AI or cannot handle all that clam madness.

ano April 29th, 2010 05:44 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Zeldor

We're observing this from different points. I just want these game not be wasted and forgotten. They both were really good and interesting. I don't aim for getting these 0.66 points at all - I could easily end at least one of them in my favor if I wanted, but I didn't, - but by mentioning them here I just want them to be remembered somehow by people who participated. Nothing more.
As I mentioned above, I didn't post them before due to your reasons but after WL introduced this db-maintained HoF, I don't think it's bad if they are here
I don't think this is a correct thread for discussions so if you have something to add, please PM me.

Zeldor May 3rd, 2010 03:37 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
ano:

I'm not saying that it should not be listed. But I wouldn't call it wins for players or nations. We can just have separate section for that, not counting towards anything. Otherwise it would be changing rules of HoF now. And people could start digging out games and declaring 0.33 wins etc. I'd find 3 or 4 games like that.
And yeah, enough talking, HoF maintainer should decide about it really :)

WraithLord May 3rd, 2010 04:32 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Well, IMO a 2 man tie should count as win when each player get 0.5 points.
On the rarest of occasions, like on huge maps, a 3 man tie should count as well as win
More than 3 way tie shouldn't count at all as win and should probably not be reported as well.

Now, since the first and third sentences were definitives while the 2nd is not and can cause lot's of discussions and arguments I suggest we just stick to a simple rule re. ties: 2 man ties count towards victory while 3 or more man ties should only be listed but not counted as victories. There's an added benefit to this rule - more incentive for players to actually finish a game rather than end it by a coalition.

ano, most likely you'll disagree with me. That's ok since I'm not really adamant on this. As far as I care we can do it your way or Zeldor's way (although I'm personally leaning more towards Zeldor's view).
Anyway, perhaps you can post a poll that presents this dilemma so we can see what the community thinks. If the majority of the players agree with you then naturally I'll maintain the HoF that way.
I'll do so although I think this may have a negative effect on future games - like "oh, let's work the four of us together to eliminate all else; good, they're all gone, now what?- Fight it out?- Nah, let's just call it a tie and start a new game hehe" ;)

Oh and I'm not at all implying the games you reported were anything of this sort. I know how good & competitive a player you are. I'm only presenting my concern of possible future multi-tie-spam games. Or perhaps I'm just being paranoid :)

ano May 3rd, 2010 04:54 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Ok, WL, you have the point. Remove these games :)

Gandalf Parker May 3rd, 2010 05:31 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Possibly the absolute best ladder would be the same mirrored map used for 2-player king-of-the-hill dueling games with settings to remove as many randoms as possible, probably using the balance mod. And possibly the worst would be team games on really large maps where the winner simply has the most patience with micromanagment, possibly using some of the.. well.. opposite of balance mods.

There are varied opinions as far as what constitutes a "proper Dom3 game" or what it was "meant to be" as far as game type, winning conditions, map size, number of players, mods, etc.

So is this a ladder thread? Or a thread for all dom3 games? Does winning any dom3 game of any settings count as winning a Dom3 game? Or is it going to be only certain types? vanilla or mod? king of the hill or vp? single, tie, or team? large-map (MM) games and single age excluded? direct or pbem? only on official servers (often a requirement in ladders).

And after all these years, would a tight definition show us anything new?

WraithLord May 4th, 2010 03:51 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Well, the HoF is certainly not a ladder. It is a continuation of Tyrant's HoF according to the guidelines that he set in place. Not ideal, but rather a compromise between different extremes.

Basically, nations and players that won games get credit for that. As I see it, this HoF doesn't presume to reflect different aspects of player's proficiency.

Gandalf Parker May 4th, 2010 08:07 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Thank you for that. Personally I think thats what I would like to see it be.

But I will say that if anyone DOES want to do a ladder of some sort, I am willing to provide hosting and server space to such a project.

calmon May 5th, 2010 03:38 PM

Re: Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithLord (Post 742187)
Where is his missing win?

[
Winner: Calmon
Game: Eventide
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=489452
Players: 18
Nation: LA Marginon
Mods: none
Era: LA
]

Just because I retired don't take my wins :p

Good to see you all still active here!

WraithLord May 5th, 2010 04:24 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
:D

I have an idea, why don't you un-retire and grab some more wins :p

Oh and I'll update the DB with your lost, now found win.

Stretch May 7th, 2010 01:23 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Mists of Time went a bloody 10 months before TwoBits was unanimously declared victor by the remaining players. I didn't realize no one ever left an entry for that game here.

[
Winner: TwoBits
Game: Mists of Time
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43179
Players: 21
Nation: EA Pangaea
Mods: none
Era: EA
]

WraithLord May 9th, 2010 03:40 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 9/5/2010]
 
OP updated.

Lingchih May 10th, 2010 04:01 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 9/5/2010]
 
Quitti won Warcry, btw. Not sure why he did not post here.

Num May 10th, 2010 04:14 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 9/5/2010]
 
The game Rattllehead has ended. Dark Kitty has been declared winner by the last 3 players, with no discussion, at turn 110. It was a newbie game. There was no mod, map Urraparrand.

[
Winner: Dark Kitty
Game: Rattlehead
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44695
Players: 10
Nation: MA Shinuyama
Mods: none
Era: MA
]

Mardagg May 11th, 2010 07:04 AM

[
Winner: Mardagg
Game: CasualEA
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44177
Players: 9
Nation: EA Agartha
Mods: none
Era: EA
]

Thanks WL for this.
Hope to see you in a game soon;)

WraithLord May 16th, 2010 02:32 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 9/5/2010]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lingchih (Post 745139)
Quitti won Warcry, btw. Not sure why he did not post here.

Lingchih, Would you care to report the game entry in the standard format?- Or else remind Quitti to do so?

Lingchih May 17th, 2010 01:42 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 9/5/2010]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WraithLord (Post 745774)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lingchih (Post 745139)
Quitti won Warcry, btw. Not sure why he did not post here.

Lingchih, Would you care to report the game entry in the standard format?- Or else remind Quitti to do so?

Meh, it's not really an interest of mine. If Quitti wants to report it, that is up to him.

TwoBits May 17th, 2010 10:39 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 27/04/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 744766)
Mists of Time went a bloody 10 months before TwoBits was unanimously declared victor by the remaining players. I didn't realize no one ever left an entry for that game here.

[
Winner: TwoBits
Game: Mists of Time
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43179
Players: 21
Nation: EA Pangaea
Mods: none
Era: EA
]

Oops, missed that - thanks for the nod, Stretch :) Wee, my first solo MP victory (although achieved in fairly unorthodox fashion, as the other players could attest)!

BTW, I'm pretty sure there were some basic mods - CBM 1.? and Standards & Streamers, I think?

sansanjuan May 19th, 2010 11:54 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 9/5/2010]
 
Many thanks to Radiogibbon for admin'n and ano for running those last 5 turns when the wife was ready to kill me..
-ssj


[
Winner: sansanjuan
Game: Thunderdome
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44282
Players: 17
Nation: MA Pythium
Mods: CBM 1.6
Era: MA
]

WraithLord May 20th, 2010 07:26 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 20/5/2010]
 
OP updated.

Mardagg, same here. YARG3 maybe? :)

Stretch May 27th, 2010 03:19 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 20/5/2010]
 
Ahh yes, we used CBM 1.5 in Mists of Time. I think we did wind up using Standards and Streamers too although I'm not positive about that.

Micah May 27th, 2010 06:12 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 20/5/2010]
 
[
Winner: Micah
Game: Land Rand
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44017
Players: 18
Nation: MA Jotunheim
Mods: CBM 1.6
Era: MA
]

DrPraetorious May 31st, 2010 03:22 PM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 20/5/2010]
 
[
Winners: Baalz, DrPraetorious, fungalreason, Krauser
Game: RAFT3
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44566
Players: 18
Nations: LA Caelum, LA Mictlan, LA Midgard
Mods: CBM 1.6
Era: LA
]

Zeldor June 1st, 2010 05:42 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 20/5/2010]
 
DrP:

Team game? You missed one nation then :)

WraithLord June 1st, 2010 08:06 AM

Re: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 20/5/2010]
 
DrP. Is it a 4-way tie or a team game?
According to previous discussion in this thread 4-way ties will not be factored in HoF - so no 1/4 wins...
If it's a team game then players names should be separated with '&' not ',' that's how the report generator makes the distinction.


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