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Colonel September 5th, 2004 04:31 PM
OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
Should Civil Liberities be suspended during a NAtional Crisis such a 9/11 or does that just show that the terrorists have won???

Fyron September 5th, 2004 04:45 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
Butchered quote: "A man who gives up any amount of liberty for temporary security deserves no liberty at all."

Will September 5th, 2004 04:55 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
From wikiquote:
Quote:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

* This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement (at [http://www.futureofthebook.com/stories/storyReader$605]), includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1795 document. Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson to be the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it could well have been Franklin.
* Many variants derived from this phrase have arisen and have usually been attributed to Franklin:
o "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
o "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
o "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"
o "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
o "If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
link.
Suspending civil liberties is a knee-jerk reaction, and one that should be resisted.

PvK September 5th, 2004 06:39 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
Agreed. "Protecting our way of life" by throwing away our freedom and privacy, defiles the "land of liberty" worse than any violent sneak attack.

PvK

Atrocities September 5th, 2004 07:37 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
I am moving this topic to Shrapnel General. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ed Kolis September 5th, 2004 08:42 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
Why... to protect our security? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Atrocities September 5th, 2004 08:49 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
It is better served in an open forum where views on this subject can be more freely expressed. Having it locked away in one game forum deprives the other members of this site the chance to read it given the fact that many of them do not go into the Space Empires IV forum.

Gandalf Parker September 5th, 2004 08:58 PM
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I think the terrorists have an impression of what the US is, and they seek to change that impression worldwide. As far as I can see, the most damage done to the "what is USA" as a result of 9/11 has been done by the US. So yes I think the changes did some of what the terrorists wanted.

Of course we have no idea what has been avoided by all of that. Im aware of that but not swayed by it.

Gandalf Parker September 5th, 2004 08:59 PM
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Quote:
Ed Kolis said:
Why... to protect our security? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif
more like your liberties.

tesco samoa September 5th, 2004 10:47 PM
Re: OT: Civil Liberities During Crisis
 
hi one question ?

Why ask this question ?

And then one more question

What is a terrorist to you ?


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