Campaign: Review Unit
 

The Review Unit function between battles shows a blank screen.

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Which type of campaign? There are FOUR types

1. Generated
2. Long
3. Scripted
4. PBEM

Which battle ? Had you seen this before but not now ??

I need DETAILS to investigate this. Just saying " The Review Unit function between battles shows a blank screen" means NOTHING without the details

and if it's a scripted campaign I need the NAME as well and what battle it is

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This is a generated campaign started under v9. It is after the fourth battle, which was a Special battle.

Never had this issue before v10.

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I don't suppose I'd be lucky enough that you had a save of that campaign just before the fourth battle ended, would you?
N O T H I N G was done to the campaign code this release.

Do you recall what the victory /loss for you was at the end of the fourth battle and what were the opponents and date? ALL of that information could be relevant.

HAS ANYONE ELSE SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN A GENERATED CAMPAIGN AS WELL?

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Just tried the review unit function in an ongoing generated campaign, and all works as expected.

A save of the game in question, and a pointer to whichever unit(s) is/are having a problem would be rather helpful. "Bug" reports without data so the error can be demonstrated, are not that helpful.

My guess is that since it is an ongoing campaign, across different versions then perhaps the original unit was based on something that no longer exists in the latest OOB. Or, it was a home-rolled OOB that is no longer in use having been replaced by a stock OOB, so leaving a blank slot where the original custom unit was. If the review function finds a null unit definition, then it will abort as there is nothing valid there. You can test for that by turning unit IDs on and checking the ID given against the OOB in Mobhack.

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Yes... which unit where you attempting to review ? I've tried healthy ones and ones that were totally destroyed and the review screen showed normal behaviour.

It MAY be a unit that was removed between V9 and V10 so knowing which one, and the nation would be helpful

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I did experience the same "blackout". It was a generated campaign with winSPMBT that was started under the earlier version. But after I finished with repairs, etc. the review feature worked just fine, and hasn't come back. No idea! I just checked my finish of game save and everything worked fine. This is the same one that had the "blackout" the first time I looked at it.

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GENERALLY when I take a unit OOS I renationalize it that year then remove it if and when I need to use the slot. That allows me to fix any scenarios. But sometimes I break that "rule" and just pull them out then check scenarios for any reported unit error but I hadn't considered that anyone mid-campaign might run into a problem but I'm thinking that's what may have happened here so knowing which unit in which nation showed blank like that would be most helpful because if it's NOT a removed unit from the database there's something else but we'd need a save game to sort out what that might be

Bottom line if anyone sees this again get a save and post it and we'll look into it or at the very least identify the unit that was checked that came back blank. It can't be a common issue or we'd have heard about it before now

Don

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This was using a stock OOB. The blank review was for every unit, not just one or two. It was after doing a Fix All. I don't know if this will help but here's the save after the battle ended.

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mine was USMC 1984ish. And every unit that I clicked on showed blank. Never seen it before or since. I didn't click every unit in my core, but I did for half a dozen or so. Sorry not more details. Like I said, it was fine after repairs. Oh, stock OOB. I don't mess with that!

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We'll investigate. It's obviously something that comes and goes. The trick is finding out why it does that. The fact it won't show for any unit changes focus somewhat and that it only shows up rarely, makes it even trickier to find.

When I load that end turn save everything is normal....... EXCEPT that the second unit ......a Japanese unit.... was showing the SS ranks that are in OOBzero......... and the next time I loaded it the review was blank so we may actually have a viable de-bug save to work with.

Don

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Thinking this might be an issue related to a corrupted save .DAT and repairing clear is up.

How long ago was it that your MBT USMC campaign blackouted on you...? Did it happen using the latest EXE or before that ?

Don

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It was the very first time I finished a battle within a generated campaign post update. The campaign was started under the last version. So, yes: the latest EXE

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OK thanks. We are investigating. The issue seems to revolve around units that are destroyed but it's going to take awhile to pin down exactly. I did discover, as you did, that the problem goes away when units are fixed and does not affect the way the campaign runs and anyone who just automatically presses "fix all" or upgrades to a new unit are not likely to ever see a problem so this is not a "show stopper" issue but we will continue to investigate and get this sorted out.

However, If anyone else sees something like this please post a save of it. I *seems* it may be related to starting a campaign in one version of the game and upgrading and although that has not been confirmed it hasn't been ruled out either and I personally don't see how that could be the cause unless it involved a removed unit and I have found no evidence to support that.

I have started and played out at least a dozen campaign battles (using developer code that allows us to kill a unit and end the game at any victory condition at any time we want ) in both WW2 and MBT and so far they all review normally and I've only had one instance of " blank screen " and that was with the posted save game, not with one of my own and I have run that save a dozen or so times as well and again..only once did it blank for me and that was the first time I ran it. Nothing since, just the destroyed units showing SS ranks.

Don

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"bug" confirmed but it's going to be an elusive one to track down but it's not an interference to the game.

I started a WW2 generated campaign for personal use and testing and after the fourth battle ( that may or may not be significant .....) I clicked on review to check a unit and got a blank screen and checking other units....also blank screens and that is the first blank screen I saw since the first time I tried the save from post #9. I pressed continue then when the next screen loaded I exited the game and then restarted the campaign save from the end of battle four again but this time EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL.

SO......this is a rare but known issue that is being looked into but because it is not repeatable it may remain elusive. However, the simplest thing to do if this does happen to anyone is either fix everything if that was what you intended anyway or simply press CONTINUE then when the purchase screen appears press EXIT then restart from your last save and the problem should have cleared......if it does not then PLEASE GET A SAVE OF THAT .dat AND .cmt, ZIP THEM UP AND POST THEM HERE FOR US TO LOOK AT. The only way, besides luck, that we can fix this is to have a save where the blank screen happens everytime it loads so it can be properly debugged

Don

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I never ran into this in any previous version and have played many campaigns, so it seems like it's related to v10.

My campaign has progressed beyond that point and now everything is normal.

One thing of note: I had done a Fix All prior to finding the blank screen, so that part of the workaround may not work all the time.

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What version of the game were you running when you did that Fix All prior to finding the blank screen......

..........and yes we know it's related to V10, we just don't know why but hopefully by next year we will have figured it out. In the meantime is only a minor annoyance that has no effect on the campaign in any way aside from that one issue

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The Fix All and the battle preceding it were on v10. I upgraded from 9 to 10 between battles.

Battles 1 - 5 were all meeting engagements and were fought on v9. Battle 6 was a special AI advance battle. I upgraded to v10 prior to starting the battle. Since it was a special battle I didn't get to fix my core force, so if the bug was there I didn't know it. At the end of battle 6 was where I encountered the bug. I fought battle 7, another meeting engagement, and at the end everything worked normally. I did another Fix All and got no blank screens.

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I have encountered it twice in my test campaign. Both times it had cleared up after restarting the save from the end of the last battle which seems to indicate it's something saved in memory that is cleared when the "chain" is broken by restarting. It also makes it more difficult to track down since it's not repeatable but the "good" news is it has no effect on the campaign itself.

Don

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I don't have a save game handy, but I have seen this twice, with two different generated campaigns I am playing. Both campaigns were started under the old .EXE. I went through my entire force the second time I noticed it, and every unit was blank. But kike you have stated, a restart clears it up and I haven't noticed any long term issues, as the next round of the campaign starts and plays correctly. One campaign is with a stock OOB, the other time with a slightly modified OOB, so it looks like it happens with either type of OOB.

Are you still collecting saved games examples for this problem? If so, I can upload them the next time I notice it.

But I like the new patch, and this problem is very minor, no complaints from me at all ;^)

Steve

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If, after you save at battles end and you see a blank screen then reload and STILL see a blank screen We really want one like this.......though it not a good thing at all and I don't think it will happen if you do see something that repeats zip that up and post it but even the two I have seen myself never repeat on re-load. We are thinking now it may be something stored in memory that clears away on a restart that is causing it but what that could be is a mystery we will try to solve

Don

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I need some further info about this in MBT......you say it was a generated campaign with winSPMBT that was started under the earlier version but did you see the blackout then....with the earlier version or just with this latest one ??

It's important for where we start looking for this

Don

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I had the black out with the latest patch. Started that particular battle under the previous patch, finished with the latest one. Thats the only time I've seen the blackout.

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If anyone else sees this as well while playing either game let us know please

Don

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After working for several battles, the blank review screen came back. Save attached.

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Yes, we know it comes and goes and even if you do nothing but restart the game you will find it goes away. I have a save just like this and it's not repeatable so finding out where it's originating is going to be a challenge.

I loaded that one you just sent and it was OK....no blank screen.....it's a slippery one

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I'm curious is anyone else tries loading this if they see a blank screen when they press review? The earlier one I tried did but then after a restart didn't and I have seen this twice in the campaign I am test running but on a restart, they don't show it again so some unique series of events initiated it but most times not but there are no other ill effects I have observed

The first save he posted does show problems with ranks but on a restart I just did does not show the blank screen but I HAVE seen this with my own so we acknowledge it happens but we are gathering more data to try to sort out why this happens in a seemingly random way

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There may be a relationship between types of battles. The first instance went from a meeting engagement to an AI advance (it also went to a different version of the game), then there were a series of meeting engagements, which all worked fine, and now it went to another AI advance and the blank screen came back.

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It's possible the change of version is what threw the SS ranks from OOB00 into the game as I have not seen it other than that one save but I will check next time I see an AI advance in my campaign .....that said, the save you posted works perfectly for me.......no blank screen at all.......I'm not saying it didn't happen to you because I HAVE seen it..just saying it works OK for me when I load it and review

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I saw no problems when reviewing units with Warnevada's save game.

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The first one with post 9 or the new one with post 25 ? I didn't have a problem with the one with 25 but I did see issues with the one with post 9

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Sorry - I wasn't clear.

With BOTH saved games I didn't get the blank review problem (although with post #9 save I did get SOME units with SS ranks)

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OK, you are seeing mostly the same that I see but with a difference . Last night when I posted my reply I saw exactly what you saw with save from 9....no blank screen, some SS ranks and the rank issue seems to be tied to damage....the ones that have damage...most of them...show SS ranks which is itself " interesting" but apparently harmless as once they have been restored to " health " with fix all that goes away and ( so far ) does not come back and right now I'm thinking this relates to the switch from V9 to V10 but last night I did not see the blank screen when I loaded that save and I loaded it twice...this morning I loaded it.....no blank screen.....started this reply and tried again......no blank screen but on the third reload.......http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1492431707

so this joyful little mystery is inconsistent....but merely a minor annoyance as a "fix all" or pressing continue then exit and reloading usually clears it ( for awhile anyway )

BUT....... I may have discovered a pattern but it remains to be seen if it is truly repeatable.... if, after game passes from the promotions to the rebuild screen you click on any unit BEFORE pressing review you will not get a blank screen when you press review then select a unit but if the first thing you do is press review then select a unit you are more likely to trip the bug and get a blank screen ( but not always sometimes it works normally when you follow that pattern ) but that theory only seems to work with the save from 9.... so far I have not been able to get a blank from the last one and I have tried at least a dozen times.

If ANYONE else sees this when they are playing we would appreciate it being reported and a save would be nice

Don

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I don't know if it makes a difference, but the exact sequence for my last save was 1) Fix All, 2) Review (got blank screen).

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OK...that's new info. I have never tried that sequence....... Fix all cleared the first save......

Ok.....just tried that exact sequence three times with the post 25 save and no blank screen.

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I have seen blank review screens often with a generated campaign.

The work around i use is to select "expand core", then "exit". After this, review works like normal.

I don't have a save to share (campaign finished) but maybe this work around offers some hint as to the source.

I really enjoy this game, been playing too much lately.

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I've noted down what you did and we'll see if that helps offer any insight into its origins.....when did you first start noticing this?

We're glad you're enjoying the game otherwise. We'll eventually track this down but it's being slippery

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Got the same blank screen twice after campaign battles #7 & 8 (Sovs vs Germans, June 43-April 44). Both were winter battles, first ones of the campaign. Number 7 was a Soviet advance, #8 a Soviet assault. Previously unit review had worked without problems.

An alternate workaround is, hit the "Change" button, select a unit to change, then exit the change menu. Unit review worked fine afterwards.

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Thanks. I had planned to ask if anyone had experienced that lately... Now I know

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We **THINK** Andy has this fixed. So far testing the one save I know would sometimes produce the bug so far hasn't but I've only tested in 8-9 times but so far it's not re-occurred.

That said if anyone has a save that will show blank every time please post it so I can test this EXE with it

Don