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blazejos July 21st, 2020 04:24 PM

37mm Bofors
 
During scanng through OOB I just found that this small bofors gun not alway has correct pictures so we go

Poland

Nice colorised photo of infantery unit gun

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/1b...2722301274.jpg

Soliders has an french Adrian helmets but this photo is from 1936 and polish Cavalery has french helmets as standard

37mm Gun from Cavalery unit
http://www.2wojna.pl/galeria/albums/...art002z001.jpg

http://www.1939.pl/uzbrojenie/polski...mm/37mm_04.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MN9cddmnpM...84241579_n.jpg
https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/39487-1.jpg

With horse ammo waggon
https://www.konflikty.pl/wp-content/...5/bofors_4.jpg

Infantery unit

http://www.1939.pl/uzbrojenie/polski...mm/37mm_05.jpg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/45647-1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OD_Dp41nJa...32402492_n.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6KNO-g9Fzs...03135010_n.jpg

In the rear backround you can see artilery waggon for 37mm gun in polish army infantery has 2 horses and cavalery 3 horses to keep speed with rest of units. Icons for this waggons are already in game 2847 & 2848

Motorized infantery unit they use cars usually PF 508 to pull gun and they use german stallhelm from WWI so are often seen as germans :o

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Panc_wz_36.jpg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/66675-1.jpeg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/28518-1.jpeg

Soviet


They captured many guns in 1939 and then from Romanians. In desperation in 1941 used them in Moscow defense. Can't find nice photos from front but there is from Rusian test trials
https://warspot.net/29-swedo-polish-tank-killer

https://warnet-asset.s3.amazonaws.co...bc56f293cc.jpg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/28440-1.jpeg

England
Adopded as Ordnance QF 37 mm Mk I. We know nice photos of instaled on cars but there are standalone

Polish with Bofors (polish made sold to UK before war) in Tobruk
https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...copy.jpg&x=800

Australians
https://forum.odkrywca.pl/uploads/fo.../ump_copy2.jpg

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...opy1.jpg&x=800

British soliders with Sudanese guns
https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...tgun.jpg&x=800

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...py13.jpg&x=800

In UK after recived from Poland
https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...py10.jpg&x=800

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...py14.jpg&x=800

On vehicles

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...7987.jpg&x=800

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz..._mk1.jpg&x=800

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...ors2.jpg&x=800

Romania

First bath they buy from Poland in January 1939 then guns internet with Polish soliders in September 1939 and on the end in 1940 germans sold them many guns captured in Poland. So they have around 700 pieces

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/323066-4/antitank+gun

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/65158-1.jpeg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/8048-1.jpg

https://forum.odkrywca.pl/imageresiz...muni.jpg&x=800

Romunian Cavalry
https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/40612-1.jpg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/40616-1.jpg

Denmark


This gun from photo destroyed two german tanks
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2787658%29.jpg
https://www.quartermastersection.com.../boforsm37.jpg

Swedish bofors in Danish forces in Sweden 1941
https://i.imgur.com/KgBTb5c.png


Germany
Guns captured in Poland as 3.7cm PaK 36(p) and Denmark 3,7 cm PaK 157(d).

source https://weaponews.com/weapons/653570...-german-a.html

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019...oj-pozicii.jpg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/28036-1.jpg

Finland


Bought from Sweden in august 1939

https://media.wfyi.org/fireandice/im...r_antitank.jpg

https://www.ww2incolor.com/d/558342-...anti-tank+guns

http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/Fin.../bofors37a.jpg

http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/Fin...37inaction.jpg

https://dobroni.pl/static/files/forum/143/28738-1.jpg

Finish wagoon with one horse
https://sotcw.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...s-M-38-gun.jpg

DRG July 21st, 2020 04:53 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
It's used as an AT gun twice in the Polish OOB and both use the same photo and it's the correct gun

There is just a WEE bit too much nitipickyness coming from Poland ATM

blazejos July 21st, 2020 05:23 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
They are corect photos that is 37mm Bofors with Polish infantery soliders but you can use secound photo for polish bofors in Tobruk unit 470


BTW I found in French unit 481 and Vichy OOB too unit 481 mysterious 37mm SA37 ATG which I can't found any info in internet. Photo is Pm9427.lbm which is Polish cavalry soliders with french helmets with bofors. I'm just courious that french also have some 37mm bofors from poland like UK which buy them in summer 1939 or from sweden.
Or meby that is mistake and this is this gun:

37 mm de Marine Anti-Char

https://ptdockyardat.files.wordpress...h-37mm-atg.jpg

This was a modified naval weapon used as an anti-tank gun by French Forces in Tunisia 1942-43. Thirty Six converted.

that is where I found this https://ptdockyard.com/15mm-armor/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5dERtrboIwT2YL

Pibwl July 22nd, 2020 12:04 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazejos (Post 848065)
BTW I found in French unit 481 and Vichy OOB too unit 481 mysterious 37mm SA37 ATG which I can't found any info in internet. Photo is Pm9427.lbm which is Polish cavalry soliders with french helmets with bofors. I'm just courious that french also have some 37mm bofors from poland like UK which buy them in summer 1939 or from sweden.

Right, this is strange one. The British had lacks of AT guns before he war and they even bought a batch of 25 mm guns from France in exchange for Boys ATRs, so they rather didn't sell their 37 mm guns... Maybe it's supposed to be Bofors gun used by the Free French, if there were any. Sure not in Vichy OOB.

Mobhack July 22nd, 2020 01:25 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
Looking at the wiki article on the thing
Quote:

A number of Swedish m/34 ordered by Anglo-Egyptian Sudan were adopted as Ordnance QF 37 mm Mk I.
so probably not a lot of those in UK service at all. Usually seen as a portee mount, attributed to the LRDG rather than as towed AT used by the regular forces. I bet Sudan would have bought maybe 24 items or even less.

Pibwl July 22nd, 2020 03:09 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 848072)
Looking at the wiki article on the thing
Quote:

A number of Swedish m/34 ordered by Anglo-Egyptian Sudan were adopted as Ordnance QF 37 mm Mk I.
so probably not a lot of those in UK service at all. Usually seen as a portee mount, attributed to the LRDG rather than as towed AT used by the regular forces. I bet Sudan would have bought maybe 24 items or even less.

According to Polish historian W. Mazur, there were 75 or 80 guns delivered before the war to British forces in Egypt (I don't know, if they were meant for Sudan). Anyway, they were quite noticeable during the war in the desert. They were ordered from Swedish Bofors in June 1939, but manufactured for Bofors in Polish works, which produced the guns under the licence.

Mobhack July 22nd, 2020 03:58 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
Sounds way more than the Sudan colony would ever need (though they had the Italians next door....!)

Pibwl July 22nd, 2020 05:44 PM

Re: 37mm Bofors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 848078)
Sounds way more than the Sudan colony would ever need (though they had the Italians next door....!)

In 1939 a production of 2pdr guns was too slow and the British ordered 250 37 mm Bofors, 500 25 mm SA 34, and even wanted to order 1500 47 mm Bredas from Italy :)


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