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zastava128 November 2nd, 2015 06:44 PM

obat 41 a couple of corrections
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I'm requesting a couple of small corrections to the Yugo OOB, and the addition of one unit.

1. unit 040 - White Scout Car - I think the end date should be extended - one site claims they were in use in the early 70s. In any case, there's a photo of them with the UN peacekeeping troops on the Sinai in 1956-1967 (Yugoslavia participated in the mission), implying they were likely used longer than 12/60.

source in Serbian with mentioned photo (scroll down): http://www.srpskioklop.paluba.info/m3skaut/opis.htm

2. units 003 and 032 have weight 22. I believe it should be 32.

3. M4A3 Sherman Dozer should be added to the OOB, as it was delivered as aid to Yugoslavia together with the regular M4A3s.
Date: 1/51-12/80 (like regular M4A3)

source: "Jugoslavija i NATO 1951-1957" [Yugoslavia and NATO 1951-1956] by Bojan Dimitrijević
(attaching photo as proof)

Note that if the Dozer is added, the AI pick list might use a tweak, to allow the AI to take mine clearing tanks in the 1950s (currently they only become available in 1960).

DRG November 3rd, 2015 07:43 AM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections

Originally Posted by zastava128 (Post 831912)
2. units 003 and 032 have weight 22. I believe it should be 32..

The ONLY effect "Weight" has on the game is related to lift capacity as in how many T34/85 M1944's could you load into a landing barge.

IDK when people starting thinking that meant "tons" but is can't because 55 is the highest number you can use there ( 255= 2= carries vehicles 55 = how much "weight" )......it's an abstraction like a lot of numbers in the game. They are 24 in the Russian OOB and it means the same as the 22 in the yugo OOB.......you can put TWO in a typical landing barge. Make them 32 and you can only put in 1 and I'll bet the average player has only played a game with landing barges a VERY small % of the time they spend with the game


zastava128 November 3rd, 2015 10:34 AM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
Yeah I admit I thought it meant tons... Thanks for clearing that up.

Suhiir November 3rd, 2015 01:33 PM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
Another thing "weight" is useful for is helicopters.
Heavy (and some medium) helos can carry certain vehicles (carry capacity 2xx - 2 meaning it can carry vehicles), but none of them can lift a tank. So setting vehicle weights greater then lift capacity (the xx part of the carry capacity) insures folks can't ferry tanks around with helos.

DRG November 3rd, 2015 08:22 PM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
The rest of the request has been added

zastava128 November 12th, 2017 05:10 PM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
I've noticed there are no Inf-AT units prior to the introduction of the locally-made RB-57 in 1957.

According to the above-mentioned "Jugoslavija i NATO 1951-1957", American aid received in 1951-53 included a number of both the M9A1 Bazooka and the M20 Bazookas. Furthermore, the Yugoslav Army had PTRD anti-tank rifles, a small number of PIATs and M9A1 Bazookas and captured Panzerfausts/Panzerschrecks leftover from WW2 (as attested by their WW2 OOB).

Obviously, it's not necessary to represent ALL of this, so I'd propose something like the following.

1. Add UNITS:
M9A1 Bazooka Team 1/46-?
M20 Bazooka Team 1/51-?
PTRD ATR Team 1/46-?

2. change FORMATION 175 start date to 1/46.

3. possibly change AI picklist to include the above formation prior to 1957.

p.s. here's also visual proof for the bazookas - the user manual:

DRG November 12th, 2017 07:41 PM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
. It is MORE than likely some of this was around for a number of years. They were still using M18's in Bosnia.......... Next release they will be in

zastava128 January 3rd, 2018 09:46 AM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
Do you consider this worth adding to the OOB?


I can get more info if needed.

DRG January 3rd, 2018 11:07 AM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
It's an interesting curiosity but no.....

zastava128 January 9th, 2019 01:25 PM

Re: obat 41 a couple of corrections
Just one correction: UNIT 630 start date should be 1/46; they're leftovers from WW2.

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