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jivemi March 30th, 2017 06:38 AM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
As per opfire on turn with an '87-88 Sovs vs Nato campaign after three meeting engagements it's hardly noticeable. Can't remember if it was triggered at all, except maybe when the AI turned. Suppose an assault is the true test, since you're bound to be looking in all directions to make sure you haven't bypassed enemy looking for a flank shot on one of your tanks, especially one of them super-duper mine-clearing behemoths!

DRG March 30th, 2017 08:48 AM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Initially, it was too sensitive and we dialed it back.... I didn't see how anyone would think a very slight change in infantry facing would trigger opfire reaction from units 500m away which is what was happening at first....you couldn't do anything without getting a reaction so it was subdued a bit....add in smoke etc and now you have to be close to trigger reaction for movement.

It wasn't intended to be a game changer mainly to trigger opfire on tanks turning hull or turret..infantry changing facing was a byproduct and the visibility setting for the battle has an effect on it as well

Aeraaa March 30th, 2017 09:54 AM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG (Post 838013)
Initially, it was too sensitive and we dialed it back.... I didn't see how anyone would think a very slight change in infantry facing would trigger opfire reaction from units 500m away which is what was happening at first....you couldn't do anything without getting a reaction so it was subdued a bit....add in smoke etc and now you have to be close to trigger reaction for movement.

It wasn't intended to be a game changer mainly to trigger opfire on tanks turning hull or turret..infantry changing facing was a byproduct and the visibility setting for the battle has an effect on it as well
Is there any chance to have different reactions if the type of the unit turning is different (eg. infantry being much harder to trigger OF than tanks)? Or the code of the game does not allow such differentiations?

DRG March 30th, 2017 09:58 AM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Well, that's the way it should be working....tanks turning hull and turret should be generating a more active reaction based on unit size but remember that battle conditions, like smoke and enemy experience, morale and suppression all factor in


EDIT

I just double checked with a campaign I'm running/testing in winSPWW2. changing hull position for a HT generated an OPfire response from a tank 3 hexes away ( through trees...... ) but a change in facing for the infantry in the same hex did not so it's working the way we expected it to from my POV

jivemi March 30th, 2017 09:50 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Very good; infantry is harder to spot after all. The present configuration seems A-OK. Initial apprehensions concerning unintended consequences have since evaporated. Great work guys!

DRG March 31st, 2017 08:07 AM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
There is now a revised ver 11.01 of the patch posted to DL. The explanation is in the first post of this thread.

Don

Dion April 10th, 2017 05:58 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG (Post 837760)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dion (Post 837750)
How the hell do you download this? I was able to download each update for the entire existence of the game, now I can't. I'm able to do less and less each year. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to single out Shrapnel Games, generally it's the whole computer industry. It's like you have to be a certain class to use the personal confuser (I mean PC) nowadays, and it's getting worse and worse, and if I might add ... pretty ridiculous. I bet it's a 3rd party internet program like Winzip, or some stupid error on my part, like a bad connection or something. Either-way, I'll figure it out (well I hope). I just hope I don't have to spend a whole bunch of money in the process.
I have NO IDEA what the problem seems to be but it's at your end or everyone would be complaining. I click on the link, wait a few seconds and it starts to DL and ( for me ) about 45 seconds later it's on my HDD. I use Chrome, Internet explorer works slightly different but the end result is the same
I got it to work. I simply used someone else's computer to download it to my flash drive and then downloaded it to my computer at home. Good update!

dmnt August 20th, 2017 02:47 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11.01 upgrade for 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG (Post 837090)
* CD / extended version holders will now get a warning message if they try to enter a building hex with a vehicle. You are now asked to confirm that you really want to do that. This is to stop you from inadvertently immobilising yourself as most cases involving building entry with vehicles is the result of a too long movement call through an urban built up area. The feature will also display on rough+slope combinations if you have travelled 3 or more hexes and thus are in danger of sticking. It's just a "friendly reminder."
I found a small bug (well, unwanted feature perhaps) with the rough+slope code: if there is a road that goes thru that hex then the warning should not appear.

How to reproduce: create a map with a rough slope hex and add a secondary road thru that hex. The game will then ask for confirmation even though the road prevents the vehicle from losing mobility.

Suhiir August 20th, 2017 03:02 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11.01 upgrade for 2017
 
[quote=dmnt;839440]
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG (Post 837090)
I found a small bug (well, unwanted feature perhaps) with the rough+slope code: if there is a road that goes thru that hex then the warning should not appear.

How to reproduce: create a map with a rough slope hex and add a secondary road thru that hex. The game will then ask for confirmation even though the road prevents the vehicle from losing mobility.
Run into this one myself.

Mobhack August 20th, 2017 04:48 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11.01 upgrade for 2017
 
[quote=Suhiir;839441]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmnt (Post 839440)
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRG (Post 837090)
I found a small bug (well, unwanted feature perhaps) with the rough+slope code: if there is a road that goes thru that hex then the warning should not appear.

How to reproduce: create a map with a rough slope hex and add a secondary road thru that hex. The game will then ask for confirmation even though the road prevents the vehicle from losing mobility.
Run into this one myself.
And I've fixed it already a couple of weeks ago. Will be in for the next release.


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