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DRG February 7th, 2017 10:06 AM
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I realise it was only antipersonnel mines that were affected. I originally wanted the code to check for weight which would have allowed them to only affect vehicles but getting that integrated and working properly would be more than just a "bit tricky"..given a mine is a mine is a mine and affects friend and foe equally. What we did was better than continuing to ignore it ( and truth be told I didn't like playing battles with the damn things anyway )

IronDuke99 February 7th, 2017 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DRG (Post 837109)
I realise it was only antipersonnel mines that were affected. I originally wanted the code to check for weight which would have allowed them to only affect vehicles but getting that integrated and working properly would be more than just a "bit tricky"..given a mine is a mine is a mine and affects friend and foe equally. What we did was better than continuing to ignore it ( and truth be told I didn't like playing battles with the damn things anyway )
I do see what you mean, but UK has retained stocks of mines, of assorted types, "for use in exceptional circumstances" ie, a major war.

So if UK ends up fighting Russia or China or North Korea or, maybe even the likes of Iran, they will use mines if they need to.

IronDuke99 February 7th, 2017 10:28 AM
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PS,
out of those four nations, by far, the least likely for UK to fight is Russia, since neither side would really gain anything from having such a fight.

DRG February 7th, 2017 10:41 AM
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Fear not....in scenarios the British cannot lay mines but you can "hire" Koreans that can....

IronDuke99 February 7th, 2017 11:06 AM
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Thanks, I note the Saudis were fairly recently caught using UK Cluster Bombs. I have nothing whatever to say in favour of the Saudis and would merely note UK cluster bombs would be better, for all concerned, in UK hands...

DRG February 7th, 2017 11:10 AM
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Yes, we could have played this all wink-wink-nudge-nudge but we didn't...live with it

Airborne Rifles February 7th, 2017 07:35 PM
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Very excited for this guys. Thanks for your hard work yet again!

Mobhack February 8th, 2017 07:23 AM
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Quote:
Units which manually turn to face a new hex may now draw opfire. This affects both infantry and vehicles at different ranges and there are random variables we tossed in to make in unpredictable but generally ( and the randoms we added really do mean "generally" ) in hex infantry movement could possibly attract opfire from enemy units up to 3 -5 hexes away (generally...). Vehicles shifting hull or turrets around could attract opfire from enemy units up to 10 hexes away ( and maybe a bit more... ). And all that depends on the enemy's training , morale, suppression level, vision rating and battle visibility etc. AS WELL AS your units training , morale, suppression level, visibility etc.. This new game feature was originally intended to stop players from turning their tanks in place to present their heaviest armour towards the most likely threat without attracting enemy attention. That was expanded to include swinging the turret as obviously that kind of movement if spotted by the enemy would naturally draw fire in a real battle situation and then that was expanded to include infantry as well. The bottom line is if you just want to "look around" to check your LOS use the } hotkey otherwise you risk drawing unwanted attention to your unit .
I have now replaced the preference for "Move and Shoot" with a switch for this feature, for those few players who might prefer to play the old way.

"Move and shoot" option was not used by anyone - likely not even if they were letting their 5 year old play!. The bits of code for move/fire deductions that referenced that "feature" are removed now.

Its under test at the moment but there doesn't seem to be any problems with it.

Wdll February 8th, 2017 04:39 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 837129)
Quote:
Units which manually turn to face a new hex may now draw opfire. This affects both infantry and vehicles at different ranges and there are random variables we tossed in to make in unpredictable but generally ( and the randoms we added really do mean "generally" ) in hex infantry movement could possibly attract opfire from enemy units up to 3 -5 hexes away (generally...). Vehicles shifting hull or turrets around could attract opfire from enemy units up to 10 hexes away ( and maybe a bit more... ). And all that depends on the enemy's training , morale, suppression level, vision rating and battle visibility etc. AS WELL AS your units training , morale, suppression level, visibility etc.. This new game feature was originally intended to stop players from turning their tanks in place to present their heaviest armour towards the most likely threat without attracting enemy attention. That was expanded to include swinging the turret as obviously that kind of movement if spotted by the enemy would naturally draw fire in a real battle situation and then that was expanded to include infantry as well. The bottom line is if you just want to "look around" to check your LOS use the } hotkey otherwise you risk drawing unwanted attention to your unit .
I have now replaced the preference for "Move and Shoot" with a switch for this feature, for those few players who might prefer to play the old way.

"Move and shoot" option was not used by anyone - likely not even if they were letting their 5 year old play!. The bits of code for move/fire deductions that referenced that "feature" are removed now.

Its under test at the moment but there doesn't seem to be any problems with it.
I am confused about the switch and what it does. Can you please explain, it looks like I am going through a phase.

Aeraaa February 8th, 2017 04:45 PM
Re: winSPMBT V11 upgrade for 2017
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wdll (Post 837138)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 837129)
Quote:
Units which manually turn to face a new hex may now draw opfire. This affects both infantry and vehicles at different ranges and there are random variables we tossed in to make in unpredictable but generally ( and the randoms we added really do mean "generally" ) in hex infantry movement could possibly attract opfire from enemy units up to 3 -5 hexes away (generally...). Vehicles shifting hull or turrets around could attract opfire from enemy units up to 10 hexes away ( and maybe a bit more... ). And all that depends on the enemy's training , morale, suppression level, vision rating and battle visibility etc. AS WELL AS your units training , morale, suppression level, visibility etc.. This new game feature was originally intended to stop players from turning their tanks in place to present their heaviest armour towards the most likely threat without attracting enemy attention. That was expanded to include swinging the turret as obviously that kind of movement if spotted by the enemy would naturally draw fire in a real battle situation and then that was expanded to include infantry as well. The bottom line is if you just want to "look around" to check your LOS use the } hotkey otherwise you risk drawing unwanted attention to your unit .
I have now replaced the preference for "Move and Shoot" with a switch for this feature, for those few players who might prefer to play the old way.

"Move and shoot" option was not used by anyone - likely not even if they were letting their 5 year old play!. The bits of code for move/fire deductions that referenced that "feature" are removed now.

Its under test at the moment but there doesn't seem to be any problems with it.
I am confused about the switch and what it does. Can you please explain, it looks like I am going through a phase.
IIRC, the "move and shoot" enabled vehicles and infantry to fire after movement with no penalty at all.


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