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FASTBOAT TOUGH February 5th, 2012 02:45 PM

Sometimes I come across improvements to weapons such as rifle scopes etc, mod changes to weapons, new weapons and organizational changes to a countries infantry makeup such as the one posted Pg. 8 Post #77 in the Jets & Planes Thread concerning Australia's BEERSHEBA Program. Some of these might be useful to you game design folks, others for possible inclusion into the game if warranted based on the information given in general and others will now be included on my Patch Page as well of which I already have my first one for next year. Though my dad served in the USA from 1941 to 1969 and was everywhere the USA was "active" from Italy, Austria, Korea to the NAM and never really much talked about those "exotic" places I'll never fully understand the "ground pounder" mentality, though some would say "bubble-heads" are just mental. Anyway I have a better understanding of things that go clank, boom, swish, and whump. So I leave it to those that are or were to decide the usefulness of this information that reside in our WinSPMBT/WinSPWW2 world.

First up is the Russian formally known as the AK-200, now the AK-12. The AK-12 was designed for the export market but now with a significant increase in defence spending over the next few years the Russian military/police is currently evaluating it for the army. Besides the standard ability to shoot the "other guys" ammo apparently it'll be able to mount their grenade launchers as well.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/econ...nikov_ak_12-0/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...anovosti01.htm
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120126/170971385.html


The USA to withdraw two BCTs over the next two years from Europe.
http://www.janes.com/products/janes/...ubChannel=land

Mr. Carl-Gustaf M3 joins the USA for the first time.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/30204/


Regards,
Pat

DRG February 5th, 2012 03:50 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
From the way that is written it implies this is the first time ANY Carl-Gustaf has been used by US forces.

Quote:

This marks the first time the Army has bought the 84mm recoilless rifle system.
Do you read it that way or just for the M3 system because if this is the FIRST time any version of the CG has been used by US forces I have a bit of adjusting to do in the US OOB.

Don

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 5th, 2012 05:05 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Don and others,
It is to replace the AT-4/M136 currently used by SOCOM (Except SEALS.) and regular USA units. However the Carl-Gustaf M3 RANGER has already been in use exclusively with some US Special Operations (SEALS) and Ranger units only to date. Used most notably in Afghanistan with the use of the HEDP round. USA regular units might also use the ADM flechette round as well. The 3rd ref. gives 1990 as the date of fielding with the Rangers which seems early by a year as I believe the M3 did not become available until 1991 and is supported by ref. 4 last month from army.mil as to when it fielded as well.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...stav-M3-07220/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...nd/m3-maws.htm
http://www.armyranger.com/index.php/...nk/carl-gustav
http://www.army.mil/article/72402/_C..._lethal_reach/


Regards,
Pat

Suhiir February 5th, 2012 06:20 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
The USMC experimented with the Carl-Gustaf in the 80's before it was decided to go with the SMAW.
No doubt a Made in the U.S.A. weapon got far more support from whatever congressman's district it's made in then any furrin weapon could hope for.

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 6th, 2012 01:53 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
The break down of the refs. seems to be in order. But for the first date a caveat will be brought up to "muddy the waters" because of the use of the terms like "it has been in the inventory since 1989" or 1990 pick one, what you expected this to be easy? Hardly is around here at times.

1. USA Rangers JAN. 1991 soonest however; Para 10 of the again posted ref. below indicated the USA found flaws with the fatigue data from the manufacturer and ordered further tests in the States and Sweden, if this is taken into account, would the units on hand be kept in storage or remain in the field? If pulled from the field then JAN. 1994 makes more sense. Only 50-75 or so tubes were availble for use and apparently only used by the Rangers for SpecOps.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...nd/m3-maws.htm


2. USN SEALS JAN. 1997. SOLID. The rest of SOCOM units there is no date except for #3 below.

3. USA Regular and rest of SOCOM units JAN. 2012. SOLID.

Current rounds used are the HEDP and HE (50M-75M blast radius.) ones only at this time.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Sa...s-Carl-Gustaf/

And this started as just a general purpose article! :doh: with a hardy
:banghead ! The price of posting. ;)

Back to the MARX brothers, Horse Feathers!

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 8th, 2012 04:26 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Did you ever wonder how many 50 cal. rounds it would take to penetrate eight inches of concrete or take out a log emplacement? Or how to fire a TOW safely from inside a building? Well the USA has tested it all to include the use of these and other weapons in an urban environment etc. The easy reading is over for today and you and some of you game designers might just go...HMmm. Or not!?! Anyway good info here for all with lots of tables to correlate the data with, class is now in session.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-06-11/ch7.htm

Regards,
Pat

Suhiir February 8th, 2012 01:57 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
I did see a Dragon gunner once do a top attack on a range by firing over a building then yanking the launcher down at the last moment causing the missile to dive.

Amazing some of the stuff a person that REALLY has a feel for their weapon can do at times.

Mobhack February 8th, 2012 02:18 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
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I did see a Dragon gunner once do a top attack on a range by firing over a building then yanking the launcher down at the last moment causing the missile to dive.

Amazing some of the stuff a person that REALLY has a feel for their weapon can do at times.

Ah! - Dragon gets you noticed (and not in a good way :))!

Andy

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 12th, 2015 01:52 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Well again this not an area I normally delve into though I have a couple of items that would require more time then what I have now from the ATGM world. One is easy just a matter of transferring an item from one OOB to the next. The next is Russia has made it's long awaited decision on which new assault rifle it's troops will get, that's more for FYI purposes I would think. So with this offering in the normal format, we'll see what happens...

A1. UKRAINE/ADD/JAN 2015/BARRETT MK 82 A3 SASR w/TI/GSR and w/o TI/GSR all Scoped/USE USA UNITS 252 and 250 for raw data/C2 (Spotter) and C1 .// Ukraine is reported to have bought at least 400 units of this rifle with no other variant mentioned. These rifles are for use by their special forces and regular military units. Unless there is time, recommend just putting them in with the Sniper "section" your call if taken for action. I've got both Russian (Sputnik the former RIA Novosti) and Ukrainian sources and more familiar ones. I put credence to their presence based on Sputniks reporting because this is the first news stop in Russian sourcing on military matters.
http://sputniknews.com/military/2014...015794026.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem...my_131214.html
http://slavaukraine.net/en/news/late...y-of-arms.html
http://news.rin.ru/eng/news///78578/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e05_1419955321
http://www.gunsandweapons.net/barrett-m107-m82a3-sasr/
http://barrett.net/firearms


Again Russia selects it's new assault rifle.
http://www.janes.com/article/48463/r...assault-rifles

Thank You for your consideration.

Time to get ready...have a great day!

Regards,
Pat

dmnt February 14th, 2015 05:01 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Finland picks M72A4 LAW replacement... M72E9 LAW. Local designation 66 KES 12, also fielded M72A6, local designation 66 KES 12 RAK. Both are license built by Nammo. Material was received in early 2013 and training started in 2014.
Ruotuväki conscript magazine, p. 12

FDF info (in Finnish)

dmnt February 14th, 2015 05:04 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Whops, meant M72 EC LAW Mk.I and M72 ASM RC as the designations, 66 KES 12 RAK being the ASM RC version.

dmnt February 21st, 2015 05:28 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
FDF buys FN SCAR for Special Jaegars: 300-500 rifles mostly for special forces, crisis management units and to some extent national defence. FN SCAR has the ability to use all the current optical aim assistance devices (red dot, vision enhancers).

Also in the newspiece: all Sako assault rifles model 95 are to be equipped with optical aims.

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/a1424430676159 (in Finnish)

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 27th, 2015 03:03 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Well to follow up "dmnt"...
Always been a fan of FN and H&K but Finland has made the buy as noted in the previous Post. They will also include a grenade launcher as well and as noted in the below ref. I think with the lead time of this order and size, I would think the Finnish Spec Op units should have these by JUL 2015.
http://www.janes.com/article/49545/f...special-forces

Next the Russians are back pedaling on earlier reports they had selected the AK-12. It seems we're right back where we started with the competition still between the AK-12 & A-545. I feel the bottomline here will be a split order to keep both manufacturers operating. But whata I know?
http://www.janes.com/article/49157/r...d-a-545-rifles

We've been hearing the military might go to a heavier cal. sidearm than what we carry maybe it'll be the new BARRETA in a .40 Cal? Makes a good "home defense" weapon though I think I would still prefer a 1911 .45 Cal myself. Anyway take a look...
http://www.janes.com/article/49203/i...iker-fired-apx

Well it appears we're about to catch with the rest of the world in the actual tubes we use in the 60mm, 81mm and 120mm mortar category.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapo...st_cannon.html

The French are still on track with the MMP ATGW as MBDA completes
the 2nd test firing of the weapon. It's a "shoot and forget" weapon that will replace the MILAN systems of the French Army.
http://www.janes.com/article/48940/f...-firing-trials
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...issile-4514425


Have a great end of week! It'll be my "Hump Day" but I'm still waiting to see that camel!?!

Regards,
Pat

dmnt March 27th, 2015 08:28 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
FDF confirms, Stinger (local designation ItO 15) in conscript training. Picture from Karelia Brigade: https://twitter.com/STRATMIL/status/581400680923045888

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 22nd, 2015 11:28 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Well some near term item(s) to come or go...

GERMANY: Could be giving up on the "G36" rifle, not sure of effects currently within the game and a little beyond where I venture in this realm of equipment.
http://www.janes.com/article/50946/g...future-for-g36
FYI/TRACK.


LEBANON: You'll be seeing items for this country just about across the board from me. France is definitely one of the largest contributors to the rearming of Lebanon, this just one example of it.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...nese_army.html
ALSO

BGM-71 TOW II already delivered as well.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_..._30206151.html
BOTH ARE ADDS.


PHILIPPINES: Their Marines will be retiring the M-14 sniper rifles with the new M40 sniper rifles as used by the USMC. The deal was done with the exception of "how many", it's possible they have them now based on the date of the article. I would think they'll be receiving the A5 as the A3 was withdrawn in 2009.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/janua..._platform.html
TRACK/ADD
.

RUSSIA: Kalashnikov unveils its first RWS.
http://www.janes.com/article/52459/k...-its-first-rws
TRACKING.


SOUTH AFRICA: Making those 40mm grenades juusst a little bit better,
http://www.janes.com/article/50955/a...-40-mm-grenade
FYI.


Just a taste and a little clean up.

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 16th, 2016 02:51 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
This next good general information for the future, however, it's what's in the last para that might be of immediate value for next years patch.
http://www.janes.com/article/58800/b...-light-mortars

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

scorpio_rocks March 16th, 2016 02:53 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 833185)

Is there anyway to read the article without an account?

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 16th, 2016 12:34 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Unfortunately no. They set it up enough (article) to give you the gist of the topic in the hopes you'll subscribe. However this is enough to be useful for my purposes as I'll start looking into my other sources for further information. Sorry.

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH March 17th, 2016 09:44 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Unless you find it by down loading from the below ref. possibly the middle PDF download nothing from MOD yet to include the section the next was taken from though I was surprised to see it as a standard small unit issued weapon.
http://www.army.mod.uk/structure/33449.aspx
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23225.aspx


I'll stay on it as at some point this would lead to game based changes. Maybe you can look into the game units if they comply to the JANE'S weapons compliment as noted in Post #16?

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 24th, 2016 03:13 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Posted elsewhere but certainly belongs here as well.
http://www.janes.com/article/59701/u...itionary-force

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Suhiir April 24th, 2016 03:50 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
The real question is: just how large and well equipped this joint British-French force is. A non-reinforced battalion might make for a useful light rapid response force but without some artillery, armor, air support, and most importantly self-contained logistics it's really just a political gambit.

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 24th, 2016 05:15 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Picture did show British Troops with A French LeCLERC tank.
We'll get more on it's composition soon I would think.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH April 24th, 2016 11:46 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Well this is a start the new unit will involve land, sea and air assets the next will break some og this down.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/d...joint-force--2
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-36104736
http://www.army.mod.uk/structure/28209.aspx


Not having much luck with the 7th mech brigade. I can say it was part of the EUROCON force. If some pictures can be believed it seems a mix of Paras and Legionaries with armor.

JEAN-CLAUDE
I can use you here if your looking in.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Suhiir April 25th, 2016 01:52 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
5,000 warm bodies? Sounds like a small (2 Bn) Brigade, but that sort of makes sense as I presume both the Brits and French probably each sent a Battalion.

Airborne Rifles May 14th, 2016 09:46 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
US Army is fielding the Carl Gustav MAAWS to IBCTs starting this year: http://www.janes.com/article/60331/u...or-general-use. Previously these were only in the Ranger battalions.

The article says they will be organic to each rifle platoon, which I'm sure means an arms room concept, i.e. The weapons squad can carry either the Javelins or the Gustavs, or a mix of one and one.

DRG May 14th, 2016 11:35 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Airborne Rifles (Post 834218)
US Army is fielding the Carl Gustav MAAWS to IBCTs starting this year: http://www.janes.com/article/60331/u...or-general-use. Previously these were only in the Ranger battalions.

The article says they will be organic to each rifle platoon, which I'm sure means an arms room concept, i.e. The weapons squad can carry either the Javelins or the Gustavs, or a mix of one and one.

you will find this issued to US 425 - Rifle Squad - uClass 001 : slot 4 - Available 01/112 to 12/125

plus mech rifle sections, scout teams and even NG starting 2014


Don

Suhiir May 14th, 2016 12:42 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Wonder why they didn't just get SMAWs like the USMC uses.

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 6th, 2017 11:41 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
This is where I generally put weapons news by themselves to keep them from "muddy up" the other threads. Anyway this is the SPIKE ATGW I mentioned in my last post from last night in the APC Thread. Called the SPIKE LR II...
http://www.janes.com/article/70874/r...-spike-variant
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rafael-...r-penetration/
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...d-missile.html

Time to get ready to start the work week, have a great day.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Imp June 7th, 2017 08:26 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 838648)
This is where I generally put weapons news by themselves to keep them from "muddy up" the other threads. Anyway this is the SPIKE ATGW I mentioned in my last post from last night in the APC Thread. Called the SPIKE LR II...
http://www.janes.com/article/70874/r...-spike-variant
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rafael-...r-penetration/
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...d-missile.html

Time to get ready to start the work week, have a great day.

Regards,
Pat


:capt:

Well that might go someway to explaining why vision aids are improving
Quote:

by switching from a cooled to an uncooled IR sensor
No expert but I thought cooling them helped quality a lot, if so looks like technology marches on.

DRG June 7th, 2017 09:24 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
That boosts the game range to 110 and HEAT pen to 104. I have added it to the Israeli Weapons but it's not mated to a unit as of yet

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 8th, 2017 08:55 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
By way of an update, I believe one of the refs indicated that the SPIKE LR II will be available to the export market sometime in 2018, that makes think latter 2017 still looks good for IDF. Well hell you know I'm watching it.

Are we concerning ourselves with major assault rifle buys? Lot's going on in this area now.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

FASTBOAT TOUGH June 22nd, 2017 11:46 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
It is now official, another Canadian sniper (Joint Task Force 2) has just shattered the longest distance confirmed sniper kill. What does this mean? Well as far as the top five distance confirmed kills go, Canada :first: owns the show with now three followed by the UK and America. OVER TWO MILES/OR 3,450 Meters with a ten second flight time. Bad day to be an ISIS fighter.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...z&ocid=U270DHP

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

DRG June 24th, 2017 08:17 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
I may need to tweak the experience values for the Canadian snipers..............:D

FASTBOAT TOUGH October 25th, 2017 12:59 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
TRACKING: The IDF isn't waiting based on current op eval, they are satisfied enough to have put in an order now. This will significantly move up the planned production phase of the SPIKE LR II. Look for POSSIBLE deployment by JUN 2018. Highlights increased range and now we know why, taken out cooling tank for the laser as deemed no longer required in another words the enhanced the laser and increased armor pen with new tandem warhead.
http://www.janes.com/article/75195/i...-missile-order

Just checked all my other sources...JANE's has the "news scoop" SO FAR ON THE TOPIC.

Gotta Go!!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

redcoat2 October 25th, 2017 02:07 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 840026)
TRACKING: The IDF isn't waiting based on current op eval, they are satisfied enough to have put in an order now. This will significantly move up the planned production phase of the SPIKE LR II. Look for POSSIBLE deployment by JUN 2018. Highlights increased range and now we know why, taken out cooling tank for the laser as deemed no longer required in another words the enhanced the laser and increased armor pen with new tandem warhead.
http://www.janes.com/article/75195/i...-missile-order

Just checked all my other sources...JANE's has the "news scoop" SO FAR ON THE TOPIC.

:capt:

To be fair I posted this 'news scoop' on this forum before it was on the Janes site.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=51730


I would have posted the Janes link if it had been available at the time. So our forum was ahead of Janes on this occasion. :D

Imp October 25th, 2017 03:14 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Would not surprise me if the majority of them are added to the Namer remote turret.

redcoat2 November 7th, 2017 07:22 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Looks like the U.S. Marine Corps is planning to collaborate with the U.S. Army to purchase the Carl Gustav MAAWS.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...breaching.html

Suhiir November 7th, 2017 08:12 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redcoat2 (Post 840165)
Looks like the U.S. Marine Corps is planning to collaborate with the U.S. Army to purchase the Carl Gustav MAAWS.

Don't think this will come to much.

There are 2xSMAWs per Rifle Platoon already, so two of the three Rifle Squads already have a bunker buster/AT weapon the third squad often winds up with a Javelin.

redcoat2 January 10th, 2018 11:53 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
After several years of testing, U.S. Marines have fielded the updated Mk 153 Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon, or SMAW Mod 2.

The new version of the shoulder-fired bunker buster was fielded to II Marine Expeditionary Force in November and is being fielded to I MEF this month, according to Barbara Hamby, a spokeswoman for Marine Corps Systems Command.

“SMAW Mod 2 improvements increase system accuracy, reliability and maintainability, and increase gunner survivability,” Hamby said.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/new...he-smaw-mod-2/

redcoat2 January 11th, 2018 08:02 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
AGS-40 GL. Maybe this year.

ZVEZDA and Interfax have said that the Russian military is expected to adopt the 40mm AGS-40 “Balkan” automatic grenade launcher sometime this year.

Links in Russian:

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/cont...00905-szxt.htm

https://defence.ru/article/granatome...e-v-2018-godu/

The AGS-40 was originally expected to enter service in 2017. It has been claimed that it was tested in the field in Syria.

DRG January 11th, 2018 08:50 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
now entered

Suhiir July 1st, 2018 06:47 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
And it seems the USMC is going back to the 13-man Engineer Squad from the current 9-man one.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/new...gineer-squads/

The changes never stop!

FASTBOAT TOUGH February 17th, 2019 04:40 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
First before the "BIG" thing...
UKRAINE/ADD/JAVELIN-JV/LATEST AT VERSION/START JUN 2018/COPY USA/UNIT 078//Progression of this weapon is the JAVELIN/JAVELIN Blk. 1 w/ (Improved sights, FCS, Smaller Wt. reduction)/JAVELIN-JV (Same as previous w/much improved frequency oscillation to "confuse" MBT defensive systems (Anti-jamming etc.) larger Wt. reduction and improved FCS which might require an adjustment to TI/GSR for further investigation. All have direct fire capability against troops, caves and bunkers improved as the type has.) & JAVELIN-F (Still in OPEVAL Status. This version will be FCS supported for both Direct and AT Fire missions. However the deployment of this version does have a limitation in that it supposedly will be slightly less effective against NEWER MBT's. I'm not saying it won't kill them but the odds might be decreased. All other's like Med./or "older" MBT's, IFV's etc. should be unaffected. Much improved against infantry, bunkers, caves and such over previous mods.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/janu..._contract.html
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...missile-03440/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...lin-anti-tank/
https://www.rferl.org/a/javelin-miss.../29200588.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...es-to-ukraine/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1I11ZY
https://www.defensenews.com/flashpoi...elin-missiles/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...rives-ukraine/


The next for you "WiKi-Knights" is why I don't use Wikipedia (Or whatever). I might just go on there and ADD the Ukrainian T-REX MBT but, I just remembered someone already had! I believe it's since been removed after someone "called them out" on it. It's my VERY LAST RESORT of well, my last resorts.

Now I really want to demonstrate the potential of this next Ref. SIPRI and the data that's available to you. For you Scenario and Campaign builders this I would recommend, should be a final check to ensure the equipment involved was really available for what you're presenting, it least if I were doing so.

I'm also using it for verification and as has been seen with my recommendations concerning the T-90S tanks in the MBT Thread, it's "blown up" what we thought about their ATGM capabilities.

So what I'm presenting are the sales from generally the "Top 3" sellers of ATGM Systems France, Russia and the United States. My search is limited to 2000-2017 and the focus is primarily with the countries Don noted on the KORNET ATGM as posted in the MBT Thread dated 02/17/2019.

NOTE: Delivery Dates and Weapons/Updated Versions are highlighted.. Lacking any specific dates I'll normally use the FIRST YEAR (OR JUST YEAR OF in some cases below.) of delivery and set the START DATE for either JUN/or OCT of that year based on my perception of the users military quality and training standards (I'll normally at least "scratch the surface" here in researching this stuff as needed.). I know it's an "educated guess" at best but if you have NOTHING else it'll be close as has been demonstrated many times in the past when "hard data" becomes available sometimes years later. I think Don and some others can back me up on this to some degree. We do what we can with what we have.

Seller FRANCE:

Recipient(s):
India:


(22250) MILAN Anti-tank missile (1979) 1984-2017 (21600) MILAN-2 and MILAN-2T version; ordered from French-FRG company; most produced in India; incl for BMP-2 IFV

Greece:

2770 MILAN Anti-tank missile 1998 1999-2001 2770 Designation uncertain (They're not going to BS you if they don't have the data.)

Saudi Arabia:

(100) MILAN Anti-tank missile (2013) 2014 (100) For use on M-ATV armoured vehicles

Seller RUSSIA:

Recipient(s):
India:


(25000) 9M113 Konkurs/AT-5 Anti-tank missile (1988) 1992-2016 (25000) For BMP-2 IFV; ordered from Soviet Union and produced under Russian licence after break-up of Soviet Union; incl 9M113M version from 2003

25000 9M119 Svir/AT-11 Anti-tank missile 2013 2014-2017 (4500) INR30 b ($474 m) deal; for T-90 and possibly T-72 tanks; incl 15000 produced in India; planned from 2006 but delayed several years due to problems with production in India; Indian designation Invar (You know kind've backs me up on their T-90 tanks.)

(1500) 9A1472 Vikhr/AT-16 Anti-tank missile (2000) 2002-2004 (1500) For Mi-17 helicopters

(3000) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2003) 2003-2006 (3000) INR1.5 b deal (incl over 250 launchers); Kornet-E version (Infantry)

10000 9M113 Konkurs/AT-5 Anti-tank missile 2012 2013-2016 (10000) INR12 b ($225 m) deal

Algeria:

(4000) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2005
2006-2010 (4000) For BMP-1 IFV modernized to BMP-1M

(1000) 9M120 Ataka/AT-9 Anti-tank missile 2013 2016-2017 (600) For Mi-28 combat helicopters; designation uncertain (possibly 9M114)

(4000) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2014) 2015-2017 (4000) (Don normally when equipment isn't identified, this would indicate Infantry use, though it doesn't show Launchers as it did with India above. Likely more for the BMP-1M)

Greece:

1100 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2004 (1100) $95 m deal

Jordan: 2000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2008)
2009-2010 (2000) Deal incl also 200 launchers

Morocco: (100) 9M113 Konkurs/AT-5 Anti-tank missile (2000) 2001 (100)
100 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile (2000) 2001 (100)

Syria:

(1500) 9M119 Svir/AT-11 Anti-tank missile (1998)
2000-2005 (1500) For modernized T-72 tank

(500) 9M131 Metis-M/AT-13 Anti-tank missile (1998) 1999-2001 (500)

(1000)9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2002 2002-2003 (1000)

(250) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2004 2005 (250)

(250) 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2005 2006 (250)

UAE:

(200) 9M111 Fagot/AT-4 Anti-tank missile 2007 2008-2009 (200) For use on US supplied HMMWV vehicles
9M111 Fagot/AT-4
Anti-tank missile 2017 AED2.6 b ($709 m) deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'anti-tank guided weapons')
(I'm sure there was an upgrade version sometime in the last few years I thought.)

Uganda:

1000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2010 2012-2013 (1000) Kornet-E version

Seller UNITED STATES:

Recipient(s)
Greece:


(248) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 1998 2000-2001 248 $24 m deal; AGM-114KBF and AGM-114K version; for AH-64A helicopters

(657) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2007) 2009-2011 (657) $66 m deal; 633 AGM-114K1 and 24 AGM-114M1 version

(542) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2015 AGM-114R-3 version; for AH-64 combat helicopters

(812) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2015
AGM-114L-3 version; for AH-64 combat helicopters
(Note version change here.)

Jordan:

(270) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2000 2001-2002 (270) BGM-71E TOW-2A and/or BGM-71F TOW-2B version (possibly incl or only practice TOW-2A missiles)

(562) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2003 (562) BGM-71E TOW-2A version

(116) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2001 2004 (116) $12 m deal (incl 30 launchers)

(400) BGM-71F TOW-2B Anti-tank missile 2002 2003-2004 (400) Part of $52 m deal (for 1689 TOW-2A/TOW-2B for 5 countries)

(100) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2013 2014 (100) Javelin Block-1 version

(50) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2014) 2014 (50) AGM-114K and/or AGM-114M version; for CN-235 ground attack aircraft

(100) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2014 2015 (100) For AT-802 combat aircraft

(10) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2014 2014 (10) Javelin Block-1 version

(200) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2016 2016-2017 (200)

FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2017 (Mine-Pending)

Kuwait:

(188) AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2002 2007 (188) Part of $868 m deal (part of larger $2.1 b deal); AGM-114K3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

(96) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2002 2007 (96) Part of $868 m deal (part of larger $2.1 b deal); AGM-114L3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

(1418) BGM-71F TOW-2B Anti-tank missile (2008) 2010-2012 (1418)

(2127) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (2008) 2009-2011 (2127) TOW-2A version

(300) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2013) 2015 (300)

Morocco:

(600) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2016 2017 (300) TOW-2A version; delivery probably 2017-2018

(1200) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2017 (Mine-Pending)

Saudi Arabia:

1827 BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2000 2001-2002 (1827) Part of $416 m deal; BGM-71E TOW-2A version; for National Guard

(562) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2001 2002-2003 (562) BGM-71E TOW-2A version

(2742) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile (2010) 2011-2013 (2742) $177 m deal; BGM-71E TOW-2A version; for National Guard

(2592) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2011) 2013-2014 (2592) AGM-114R version; for AH-64 combat helicopters; for National Guard

(2176) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2014 2015-2016 (2176) AGM-114R version

(4941) BGM-71F TOW-2B Anti-tank missile (2014) 2015-2017 (4941) Incl 4194 for National Guard

(10747) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 2014 2015-2017 (10747) BGM-71 TOW-2A and TOW-2A-RF versions; incl 9740 for National Guard

UAE:

49 AGM-114K HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2002) 2005 (49) AGM-114M3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

240 AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile (2002) 2005 (240) AGM-114L3 version; for AH-64D helicopters

(1000) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2008 2009-2010 (1000)

(390) AGM-114L HELLFIRE Anti-tank missile 2009 2012-2013 (390) AGM-114N version

SEE MBT Thread Post 882 for Ref. to the above.

I think I made my point here for some and didn't need it. This doesn't include under the Missile section SAM, Guided Bombs, Anti-Ship etc.

If more is needed for UKRAINE let me know I still have a handful more. Training started prior to deliveries and were actually held up until the UKRAINE and we verified they had built more secure/safer facilities to store them and all the external security measures were in place to protect them.

I never said this won't take more then just a few minutes!! :typing:, well yes there is that, yeah, at a much slower pace!?!

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH April 7th, 2019 11:20 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
This is a "two fold" post, one it confirms the receipt by UKRAINE of the JAVELIN ATGW and two that the SIPRI database has been updated and released through 1950 - 2018 (When the initial UN treaties for arms sales were ratified.). I firmly standby the date as submitted based on the refs. as presented. Time period is from 2016 -2018 for the below.
United States
R: Ukraine (210) FGM-148 Javelin Anti-tank missile 2018 2018 (210) Probably second-hand
6 TPQ-36 Firefinder Arty locating radar 2015 2015-2016 6 Second-hand
3 HMMWV Up-Armoured APV 2016 Survivable Combat Tactical Vehicle version
2 Island Patrol craft 2018 2018 2 Second-hand

The FIREFINDER was much better than the Cell Phones they were using. The Russians "hacked" literally them to death and the Ukrainians suffered heavy losses in crews and artillery until they figured out what was happening.

I always follow-up where I can.

Regards,
Pat
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oragus April 10th, 2019 09:26 AM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Thought you retired? Lol

FASTBOAT TOUGH July 19th, 2019 01:34 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Don't have much time, work beckons me. The USMC's newest sniper rifle the Mk13 Mod 7 Long Range Sniper Rifle reached FOC this month. No time for the highlights, you'll just have to read it for yourself.

However in reading this article you'll note I didn't make up the acronym "FOC".
https://www.armyrecognition.com/july...erational.html

Regards,
Pat
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FASTBOAT TOUGH February 24th, 2020 06:16 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
I thought you "shooters" out here might find this useful. Whether or not these weapons have any bearing on the game, I just don't know. They are all being used by their respective militaries.

The stuff we would need is caliber/ROF and Min/Max ranges.

The criteria used is discussed at the beginning of the article but, in short, limited to 5.56mm and 7.63mm weapons, amongst others.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/weap...al_review.html

Just picked this up as FYI...
Poland/Ukraine developing/testing a new ATGW.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...led_pirat.html

Regards,
Pat
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Suhiir February 24th, 2020 07:03 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Amazing how similar most of them look.
When you have a good design don't re-invent the wheel.

FASTBOAT TOUGH November 13th, 2020 01:02 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
SANDF has a new toy the 370 Y4 (MILKOR) medium velocity six-shot grenade launchers along with 20,000 rounds of the new 40mm Medium Velocity (MV) by Rheinmetall. This is an higher velocity extended range munition.

Rounds ordered of medium-velocity ammunition, including high explosive ammunition, high explosive dual-purpose ammunition, practice ammunition, practice tracer ammunition, red phosphorous smoke rounds and orange target marker ammunition.

The new 40mm medium-velocity (MV, ca. 100 m/s) ammunition. The company is currently expanding its MV product. It now includes the new generation of 40mm MV ammunition, which has a maximum effective range of 800 metres, doubling the gunners’s operational reach and providing a flatter trajectory for those crucial close-in, accurately placed shots MV ammunition is.
https://milkor.com/milkor-y4-grenade...er-to-sa-army/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/feature...er-to-sa-army/
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...mmunition.html


Regards,
Pat
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MarkSheppard November 19th, 2020 06:08 PM

Re: Infantry Served Weapons and Organization.
 
Belgium apparently retired their MISTRAL MANPADS on on 31 December 2017.


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