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raygun August 3rd, 2010 11:06 PM

Question about radios
I have two questions:

What is the difference between ' R ' or ' * ' in the HQ list of units?

I'm unclear what the difference is between "C&C link to their immediate superior" and mere "radio contact"

Imp August 4th, 2010 07:41 AM

Re: Question about radios
R Radio Contact
* Shouting distance.
The last probably gives a negligble rally boost I just worry about contact.

raygun August 4th, 2010 12:36 PM

Re: Question about radios
Roger that. I did some investigation and have ascertained that the units with '*'s physically don't have radios. Moreover, I've noticed that the white '*' units are indicated as being 'in contact' (as are the white R units). My understaning would be that these units are rallyable and benefit from experience of the entire chain of command up to and including the group commander. However, the '*' units would be subject to some penalty in that regard.

My understaning is that the yellow R and '*' units would merely be influenced by their immediate formation leader; the yellow R units are described having 'radio contact' status. I need to verify this, but the yellow R units implies a red R of some superior in the chain of command. I don't have any units with a yellow '*' so I'm unclear what status they would have; yellow 'radio contact' for '*' unit would be oxymoron, no? I'd speculate that a yellow R fomation leader would imply a red R for their superior and all subordinate units of the red R would be either yellow R or '*'. (???)

Moreover, yellow R and '*' units would only be influenced for rally and experience purposes from the point of red R or '*' superior formation leader on down.

Clearly any '*' unit would ultimately lose ALL contact if they were outside of the 3-5 hex limit from their immediate formation leader; probaly showing as red '*' and probably 'out of contact' status.

Imp August 4th, 2010 02:04 PM

Re: Question about radios
Me bad funny you know when playing but reported wrong.
As you said R have Radios * dont.
Colour gives contact
White = Shouting
Yellow = Radio
Red = Out of Contact

raygun August 4th, 2010 04:38 PM

Re: Question about radios

wht R A> 3rd Brigade HQ (contact)

wht R B0> HQ 1st Bn/7 Cav (in contact)
yel R B1> Art Liason (radio contact)
yel R B2> AF FAC (radio contact)

red R AF0> HQ 1 PLT B/2/5 (no contact)
wht R AF1> airmobile (in contact)
wht R AF2> airmobile (in contact)
wht R AF3> airmobile (in contact)
wht * AF4> MMG (in contact)
wht R AF5> heavy wpn (in contact)

Who is B1 & B2 in contact with? B0 or A?
AF4 is in voice contact only w/AF0 (voice contact w/either B0 or A is nonsensical). AF1-3 & 5 are in contact with A, B0 or AF0? AF0 not in contact w/neither A, B0 and AFx or only A & B0?

Mobhack August 5th, 2010 12:20 AM

Re: Question about radios
Contact is in relation to your superior in the command net.

So AF0 has all his subordinates in contact, and thus may rally them.

But AF0 is not in contact with his superior - so cannot receive rallies from him.

The only thing to worry about is out of contact. Units out of contact will not have rallies from the boss, and cannot call for arty if FOO or commanders. Those are really the only penalties in SP for being out of command control.

So keep your platoon elements within 3-5 hexes of the platoon cmd and they will usually do fine for rallying even without radios.


raygun August 5th, 2010 07:27 AM

Re: Question about radios
Roger that about AFx.

What about B1 & B2?

Imp August 5th, 2010 11:10 AM

Re: Question about radios
Based on Mobhacks previous answer what do you think?

raygun August 5th, 2010 03:49 PM

Re: Question about radios
I'd guess that they'd be in radio contact w/B0 (out of verbal range or they'd have a white R).

However, given that C0 HQ A Co 1 Bn/7 has a white R and is 12 hexes from B0, and given that S0 Recce Plt 1/7 (P leader) has white R and is 20 hex distant from their immediate superior (C0), that theory can not be valid.

Imp August 5th, 2010 05:34 PM

Re: Question about radios
Okay I did not really understand that & have no need to know where the units are.
Mobhack stated


Contact is in relation to your superior in the command net.
So B1 + B2 can contact superiors buy radio.
B0 can also contact his superior AO & in fact is near by as has voice contact

As said before though the only ones you need to worry about are Red ones out of contact the rest look after themselves the games figured it out obviosly if you can contact your superior he can contact you.

I rarely use HQ screen for contact apart from maybe to check radio availability at start if its an early period game.
The units contact details show when you select it at the bottom of the screen & while not a hard & fast rule if you use move platoon leaders last they gets in less trouble so can rally others & can be moved to bring the others back into contact if need to.
If you have the CD & press the 5 key it even highlights who he is in charge of for you saving you many hours of game time if you play often.

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