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chrispedersen November 3rd, 2008 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vfb (Post 649899)
Sure it is, for example Sombre's Skaven has new Censer Bearer units, who wield a Plague Censer, which has an AOE 3 poison Incense Cloud secondaryeffect.

I think chrispedersen may be confusing that with the stun-only Incense secondaryeffect on the Kohen Gadols' Censer, which does not have poison.

I'm not mistaking it. As I said, a D9 bless with the censer is ......interesting.

Okay, I see what you mean. The AOE1 10AN stun damage gets replaced by AOE1 2AN MR physical damage. But there's no poison to "poison your own troops".

True. But essentially what happens is you *can't* take a d9 bless unless you're very very careful. More often than not you end up diseased and afflicted yourself.

So like I said, I usually end up keeping the unit out of combat, not using a d9 bless, or replacing the censor with another weapon.

Edi November 3rd, 2008 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by archaeolept (Post 650021)
it is a claimed side effect for d9. haven't tested it myself to know.

The weapon bless death has a secondaryeffect of disease, which I think is of the MR resistable type. So the bless death is 2 AN resistible, with a check against disease on hit. The weapons data in the DB has been tested by modding those weapons into units so that you can see the secondary effects, so the disease bit is not just speculation.

Gregstrom November 3rd, 2008 04:35 AM

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From your db, it's the irresistible disease 143. I don't know if saving against the 2 points of AN would prevent the disease going off though.

Edi November 3rd, 2008 04:37 AM

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Addendum: I'm not sure which disease it is, resistable or non-resistable. The bless death weapon is 448, and the disease weapons are 143 (non-resistable) and 414 (resistable). I recently played a game with Helheim using a D9 bless and it did not seem that enemy units got diseased 100% of the time. Only around 75% to 95% of the time, depending on how good MR they had, so the bless death secondary is probably 414 and resistable.

Unfortunately it is not possible to display weapon data with shift-i the same way you can for units, so if there is more than one weapon with the same name and that name appears as a secondaryeffect, it becomes a guessing game. I do not always guess correctly and it looks like I have guessed incorrectly for the bless death in the past.

Sombre November 3rd, 2008 04:39 AM

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I had no idea about that. Learn something new every day.

vfb November 3rd, 2008 04:51 AM

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Whereas I am just totally confused.

So the secondary stun AOE effect of the Censer would be replaced with a D9 AOE AN2 MR attack, which has its own secondary disease effect? O_o

Good thing I didn't take a death bless with Gath, that's all I can say!

chrispedersen November 3rd, 2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vfb (Post 650061)
Whereas I am just totally confused.

So the secondary stun AOE effect of the Censer would be replaced with a D9 AOE AN2 MR attack, which has its own secondary disease effect? O_o

Good thing I didn't take a death bless with Gath, that's all I can say!

Yup. Like I say.. its.. interesting. You actually can take advantage of it if you're... devious.

And I hypothesize that you are not actually wording it perfectly correctly.

You get a D9 AoE AN2 MR attack; however what happens is that you get afflicted. Often diseased - but it I've also seen armloss and feeblemind. I think.

Sombre November 4th, 2008 04:29 AM

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You have a high chance at becoming afflicted from the damage, but then you /also/ have a chance at becoming diseased from the secondary effect of death weapons.

chrispedersen November 4th, 2008 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sombre (Post 650227)
You have a high chance at becoming afflicted from the damage, but then you /also/ have a chance at becoming diseased from the secondary effect of death weapons.

Yep. =) So what are a few good ways to take advantage of this nasty nasty truth =). There are a few I find really..... interesting = )


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