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jivemi September 19th, 2018 08:39 PM

Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
In a current campaign in 2018 the Merkava 4Ms do not fire their AAMGs against infantry, even with their cannons turned off or down to 4 Heat rounds. Is this normal? Thanks.

Update: Now one immobilized Merkava IS firing, least at close range (400 meters in this case). Funny 'cuz the unit info gives both CMG and AAMG the same range (2400 meters IIRC). [Edit: Then it stopped firing again, dunno why--hasn't taken any more casualties]. Also, looking at a previous save there was one tank that fired once (it was down to 89 firing opportunities out of 90). Weird, no?

(FWIW replaying several saves Merk AAMGs usually fire within 300 meters, rarely beyond. One may use the "W" key to fire either MG but as noted the CMG alone will consistently fire beyond 300 meters without it.)

Suhiir September 19th, 2018 09:44 PM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
You're talking the Israeli OOB 4M?

Currently any weapon in weapon slot #4 acts as a bow machinegun, thus has a limited (60 degree to the front as I recall) arc of fire.

jivemi September 19th, 2018 10:37 PM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
Yes, the Merkava MK 4M. They (AAMGs in slot #4) aren't firing at infantry. There've been countless opportunities to fire within the 60 degree frontal arc. Actually they haven't fired at all since after 4 battles (vs Russians, Syrians and Turks) there hasn't been a single airstrike. Curious, no?

shahadi September 20th, 2018 04:03 AM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jivemi (Post 843357)
Yes, the Merkava MK 4M. They (AAMGs in slot #4) aren't firing at infantry. There've been countless opportunities to fire within the 60 degree frontal arc. Actually they haven't fired at all since after 4 battles (vs Russians, Syrians and Turks) there hasn't been a single airstrike. Curious, no?

Don't know why she ain't firing AAMG at infantry. I suppose, you could insert the AAMG into slot 2 or 3, to test what happens.

I want to ask about the typhoon Mangkhut. I heard it hit the PI hard. I hope your folk are okay. I wish you well and the people of the Philippines.

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jivemi September 20th, 2018 04:28 AM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
OK thanks. Our family is in Cebu, the Central Visayas. We only got some strong gusts and relatively short periods of heavy rain as the typhoon's outflung spiral arms rotated over us. So we're OK. Luzon is north of us, and northern Luzon got hit pretty hard. This stuff happens every year, so one must simply grin and bear it. Cheers!

jivemi September 25th, 2018 05:37 AM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Suhiir (Post 843356)
You're talking the Israeli OOB 4M?

Currently any weapon in weapon slot #4 acts as a bow machinegun, thus has a limited (60 degree to the front as I recall) arc of fire.

Apparently this has been changed in the 2018 patch: "An AAMG (or autocannon) in slot #4 is no longer treated as a fixed bow weapon. AAMG and autocannon in any slot is now treated as having 360 degree traverse." Which doesn't explain why they don't fire at longer ranges (unless using the "w" key) but does eliminate one possibility.

DRG September 25th, 2018 07:41 AM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
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Merk 4M with all weapons off but the AAMG in slot 4

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1537875534

and during the AI's turn......

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1537875543

firing AAMG's at infantry at 400m

and at 600m

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1537876002

jivemi September 25th, 2018 08:11 AM

Re: Merkava 4M AAMG vs Infantry
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 843391)
Merk 4M with all weapons off but the AAMG in slot 4

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1537875534

and during the AI's turn......

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1537875543

firing AAMG's at infantry at 400m

and at 600m

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1537876002

Yes, the AAMG will fire with other weapons turned off or using the "w" key at all ranges. However they don't usually fire with other weapons turned on except at short ranges (mostly within 300 meters except the temporary case of an immobilized Merk within 400 meters of dug-in infantry). Please see updates to the OP above. (Usually when firing against infantry at MG range I turn the cannon off to preserve HEAT.)

Here are a couple saves from two battles (slots 60-61); note those tanks which fired CMGs while their AAMGs either didn't fire or hardly at all (except at close range):


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