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Fallout Re: IDF OOB project.

Gingertanker I hope this will help you get off to a good start.
Ref.1 one of the Sh'ot-Kai is worth the time just for the pictorial history shown to include other tanks you might wish to research from this site.

Sh'ot-Kal (British Centurion Mk3 and Mk5.)... These tanks would not have the IR equipment on them at least not from Britain. They would not be put on the British CENTURION until the Mk9 became available. However in ref 1 Israel had full access to the CHIEFTAIN technology so if they didn't have an IR FCS prior to that, they definitely had access to one of the most advanced FCS at that time and I can see where some Sh'ot-Kai units would've been equipped with it. They were in active service until the late 80's then relegated to reserve units until retired in 2002. Ref. 1 is a full on IDF tanker site which I've used in the past most recently in the MERKAVA 4/4b troop carrying issue as the site actually had pictures of combat troops in that situation inside and outside of the tanks which I posted.
http://www.idf-armor.blogspot.com/20...tion-2009.html
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor...sp?armor_id=13
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...l/shot-kal.htm


MAGACH 1-5 (USA M48A1, M482C and M48A5.) then MAGACH 6-7C (USA M60, M60A1 and M60A3.)... Here is where I can see issues beyond dates...six different tanks for one named one. I already knew the M48 made up I thought MAG 1/2 until the M60 series became available for MAG 3 on, well my thinking was wrong there. The MAGACH 6 (M60 version only.) was available for combat service prior to the YOM KIPPUR War and did fight in it. I have an almost even split not on whether the MAGACH 7 is still in service, because it is, but whether it is still currently a front line tank or in active reserve status. The MAGACH 7C was in front line service at least through the end of 2003. One tank not mentioned from the TI thread is the SABRA which is a much improved offshoot version of the MAGACH, that tank complicants this issue further. The variant section of ref 1 will be very important to assess capabilities as they might now exist in the game. I would expect the MAGACH 7C to see service/or be available to this games end due to the currently imposed reduced production of the MERKAVA 4b.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/israe..._pictures.html
http://www.patton-mania.com/IDF_Patt...f_pattons.html
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/magach_7.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3186.html


The above IDF armor site might be useful here as well for date research and these tanks in general especailly in the modifications the IDF made to them.

It's late and I have to work later today. I will try to address/provide info on the SABRA (Still serving in frontline units.) and MERKAVA 1-4 later tonight or on Sunday. There is good info in the reading material that might help in narrowing the date issues brought up and I tried my best to answer the general questions as well that were raised in the TI thread later posts.

Regards,
Pat
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