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Default Re: Carriers

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Originally Posted by Kiwikkiwik View Post
According to the Osprey New Vanguard book universal carrier 1936-48.
Bren carriers should have a carrying capacity of 2 not 6 and a crew of 1 not 2.
Universal carrier Mk I have a carry capacity of or 2 not 6, and a crew of 1 not 2.
Universal carrier Mk II have a carry capacity of or 3 not 6, and a crew of 1 not 2.
There was no space for extra men!
You have a bad habit of getting an idea, convincing yourself you have found a grave error then spending considerable amounts of time presenting a detailed "plan" on how we should fix this perceived error when a simple question like ...." The Bren carriers seem to be over capacity... why was that done? " would answer the question and save you ( and me ) a lot of work

First off......by your sources standard....this is impossible


or this.... " The crew of a Bren gun carrier 7 October 1942"



Yet there is is.... a Universal Carriers Mk 1 belonging to the British Expedition Force in France, 1940 with a total of FIVE men comfortably being carried. By YOUR quoted source the max capacity for that vehicle is 3 and the second photo shows six men as "crew" of carrier in the western desert in 1942

now count how many Russian soldiers are in this photo


The officer standing beside the carrier would sit to the drivers right...that adds up to SEVEN so the assertion that "There was no space for extra men!" has been proven progressively wrong three times

The Carriers we made slightly over capacity in some cases to accommodate the wide range of units they had to carry in the game and in nearly 20 years of being that way YOU are the one and only player to take issue with it. I invite you to make those change you think are necessary they check every formation that would be affected by what amounts to a major change to see the amount of work required to "fix" something that in the end make NO difference to the way the game plays.

Also, any prime mover has a capacity set to carry guns and crew and that, in many cases is a bit generous and changing it would make far more players UNhappy that would make happy. This is why things like Canadian Unit 294 Gun carrier has a carrying capacity of 10.....to allow it tow the various guns and yes technically that wasn't done " by the book" but it was done just as you repeatedly note that carrier AOP doesn't have a Bren gun.....I can assure you that in combat, there would have been a bren on board and as well the crew is made 2 instead of one because in the game when the crew dies the vehicle is wrecked whereas in real life someone else would have taken over driving duties so that too is an expedient to make the unit more game playable.

I will, however, look into Thailands carriers in 1944....all the rest.....NO...... but feel free to MOBHack your personal OOB however you feel is correct

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Some more counting for you to do. This first photo was taken in Korea but that is irrelevant..there are 8 men shown having fought out of encirclement in that carrier


Seven in both of these. The second photo is not particularly clear but it shows a seating arrangement the same as the Russian photo. Drive and "co-driver" or vehicle commander in front then three down the left back compartment and two more on the right = Seven

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