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Originally Posted by RightDeve
I am a bit anxious about the new feature regarding hull/turret turn triggering opfires. Don't be offended please, I'm sincerely asking since this is one of the most fundamental mechanics of the game that has been changed, thus the repercussions are going to be far and wide.
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As Andy said there will be a period of adjustment then it will feel normal
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Originally Posted by RightDeve
1. As someone already asked (on that thread discussing this topic): what about "harvesting" enemy opfires thus clearing the way for other units to advance? This is especially obvious since no Movement Points are expended for turret/hull turning (if I understand the feature correctly). Even more so because all players in the decades of playing SP have been conditioned to turn their units freely to look around the map
(sometimes you can spot previously hidden enemy units too). They can't be easily held accountable when someone accuses "you're CHEATING!"
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Agreed it breaks with "tradition" but checking LOS from your unit without moving anything can be done with the } shortcut or the unit view button on screen. That lets you check your LOS without spinning your tank around and in reality no commander is going to do that in RL, it would be like waving a red flag all we've done is acknowleged that fact and added the CHANCE ( it's not 100% certainty ) that stationary hull/ turret movement is going to attract attention to yourself......movement in battle ALWAYS attracts unwanted attention.
.... and I REALLY don't understand the "you're CHEATING!" comment. Everyone is playing by the same rules
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Originally Posted by RightDeve
2. If I understand correctly, infantry units too may attract opfires when they're rotated/turned? Isn't this a bit too far? Standard military procedure for a single infantry squad is to establish 360 degree awareness. It's not too obvious to turn one's shoulder/neck/head (compared to turning a tank's hull/turret). Besides, infantry units are composed of individual man, so the unit's facing is very flexible, even multiple directions at once. Sure, there's a "general direction" that an infantry unit must face, but my bottom line is that infantry units are much more fluid & flexible & not too obvious when they're "turning around", compared to tanks and other such vehicles.
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further testing required
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Originally Posted by RightDeve
3. Why no movement points? As #1 suggests, giving MP penalty for turning/rotating around may discourage players to easily dry out the enemy's opfire. Besides, turning/rotating is indeed moving (even more so with tanks etc, it's quite a movement), so it's only normal that movement points should be expended. If Andy wants it KISS thus no MP penalty, I'd say, why bother with this feature at all ? Without this feature everything already works good & fine. Inventing this feature may seem easy coding-wise (as Andy has said on that other thread), but the implication & repercussion isn't so easy since this is a fundamental mechanic of the game. .
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Because we decided charging MPs was going to far........doesn't it make sense that a tank that is still would attract less attention than one spinning it's turret around or shifting it's hull left and right ?
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4. Right clicking an enemy unit now automatically orients both the turret & the hull toward that enemy unit. Right clicking on an empty hex just turns the turret. But what if I want to turn both the turret & the hull, when there's no enemy around? Say, if I want to set up the defence of my tanks before any enemy shows up?.
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Then go ahead and do it........you
can't attract opfire when there are no enemy units around to alert .
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5. Is the AI aware of this new feature also? In some way or the other this may handicap the AI even further, not to mention human exploitation for it..
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The AI does not have to spin itself around to know you are there if it's already spotted you....have you ever seen the AI spin it's tanks around like a human player would ? No.
YES it will take a game or two for some players to get used to it. Anytime we change anything we risk making some players unhappy while make others happy. Ask yourself WHY you want to spin your tank around to look at things ( mainly because it's easy and what people have been doing for years ) but we already have ways to look around the map and see what you need to see without spinning the tank around and the game acting like all that movement is not happening....But, in the end if the change ends up universally unloved we can always change the code back but this really needs to be played with for a few games before jumping to any conclusions about it.